Poll of the Day > I don't get why some people get upset over illegal immigrants being arrested.

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Dreaming_King
03/21/18 6:54:05 PM
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Regardless of if ones thinks the current laws are fair or whatever, I don't see how one could argue that people breaking the law shouldn't be arrested, do they think we should all be able to pick and choose to follow only the laws that we like or something? I mean I don't really care, but it's genuinely confusing to see politicians and other influential people take such a ridiculous stance.
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WastelandCowboy
03/21/18 7:08:45 PM
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Andromicus
03/21/18 7:09:28 PM
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Live by the sword deported by the sword
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Third_Eye
03/21/18 7:10:17 PM
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if you're not native, shut up about immigrants.

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Dreaming_King
03/21/18 7:16:45 PM
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Third_Eye posted...
if you're not native, shut up about immigrants.

edgy redneck tc. 2018, caring about politics

I actually am Native American, 1/16th.
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Zikten
03/21/18 7:19:42 PM
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Third_Eye posted...
if you're not native, shut up about immigrants.

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how long do we have to be here to count? my family has lived in America since at least the 1700's if not the 1600's. every place on earth was once new to people except africa. you call white peope natives to europe but if you go back far enough in time, humans didn't used to exist in europe until the first ones moved there.
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kingdrake2
03/21/18 7:21:50 PM
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dey took our jerbs.
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KnoxKorner
03/21/18 7:23:47 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
Third_Eye posted...
if you're not native, shut up about immigrants.

edgy redneck tc. 2018, caring about politics

I actually am Native American, 1/16th.


See the Amerimutt. See how he changes his race and percentages at will.
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Dreaming_King
03/21/18 7:53:59 PM
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I'm racial fluid, come at me bro if you don't like it.
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Lil69Leo
03/21/18 8:07:58 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
I'm full of shit, come at me bro if you don't like it.


Fixed it for you.
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Zeus
03/21/18 8:16:23 PM
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Third_Eye posted...
if you're not native, shut up about immigrants.


I'll take silly arguments for $100, Alex.
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SteamedHams
03/21/18 8:18:08 PM
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Because it's a complex, nuanced issue. There are a wide variety of reasons why somebody might become an illegal immigrant. Too many of the "but they broke the law" arguments imply some sort of malicious intent and serve to demonize these people and lump them all together with the legitimately bad ones.
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RoboXgp89
03/21/18 8:39:17 PM
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Dreaming_King
03/21/18 8:41:41 PM
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SteamedHams posted...
Because it's a complex, nuanced issue. There are a wide variety of reasons why somebody might become an illegal immigrant. Too many of the "but they broke the law" arguments imply some sort of malicious intent and serve to demonize these people and lump them all together with the legitimately bad ones.

It's as simple as a thing could be. They broke the law. People who break the law should be punished. End of story. I'm implying nothing about intent because it's irrelevant to the issue, as is why they felt the need to break our laws.
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SteamedHams
03/21/18 8:45:59 PM
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Some of them don't even know they broke the law. Did you not learn a single goddamn thing about the Dreamers in the past few months? And then you have people who do know they may have broken the law, want a path to citizenship or renewing a visa, but feel they have nowhere to turn to since they fear making things worse by drawing attention to their immigration status.
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Jen0125
03/21/18 8:47:13 PM
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It's always 1/16th lmao
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Nichtcrawler X
03/21/18 8:48:16 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
do they think we should all be able to pick and choose to follow only the laws that we like or something?


That is how laws work yes, give the framework to act out against something, but in no way making it an obligation to do so.
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Dreaming_King
03/21/18 8:52:11 PM
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SteamedHams posted...
And then you have people who do know they may have broken the law, want a path to citizenship or renewing a visa, but feel they have nowhere to turn to since they fear making things worse by drawing attention to their immigration status.

Utterly irrelevant.

Nichtcrawler X posted...
That is how laws work yes,

In your head maybe.
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shadowsword87
03/21/18 8:54:36 PM
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You're studying law, you should know that's not how the judicial system works.
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SteamedHams
03/21/18 8:57:23 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
Utterly irrelevant.


Ironic coming from a "they still broke the law" guy. It's pretty irrelevant since you never see those guys speaking out on principle about how jaywalkers are bad. Hmm, I wonder why? It's a useless argument unless your goal is to signal that you have zero compassion for other human beings because they were born in a different geographical region than you
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Dreaming_King
03/21/18 9:02:28 PM
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Jaywalkers should be fined/imprisoned based on what their local laws stipulate, as should any criminal.

Also it isn't that jaywalker or illegal immigrants are good or bad, it doesn't matter, the only thing that does is if they broke a law or not.
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shadowsword87
03/21/18 9:03:08 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
Jaywalkers should be fined/imprisoned based on what their local laws stipulate, as should any criminal.


And going 1 mph above the speed limit means jailtime?
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Dreaming_King
03/21/18 9:05:54 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Dreaming_King posted...
Jaywalkers should be fined/imprisoned based on what their local laws stipulate, as should any criminal.


And going 1 mph above the speed limit means jailtime?

Not necessarily, but they should be punished with a ticket at the very least.
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SteamedHams
03/21/18 9:10:22 PM
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Christ
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SteamedHams
03/21/18 9:11:19 PM
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And what do you think about somebody who carries a sword around in a sword-free zone? What is an appropriate punishment?
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Nichtcrawler X
03/21/18 9:12:45 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
In your head maybe.


Not just in my head. You think any country in the world has enough policemen, prosecutors etc, to prevent, investigate and prosecute every crime that occurs there?
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Dreaming_King
03/21/18 9:20:29 PM
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SteamedHams posted...
And what do you think about somebody who carries a sword around in a sword-free zone? What is an appropriate punishment?

In most areas that would fall under knife laws regarding maximum length which from what I understand is considered pretty serious. That being said, I'm no judge, I have no idea what is appropriate since it's all arbitrary in the first place.

Nichtcrawler X posted...
Dreaming_King posted...
In your head maybe.


Not just in my head. You think any country in the world has enough policemen, prosecutors etc, to prevent, investigate and prosecute every crime that occurs there?


Of course not, but does that mean it's acceptable to break "minor" laws? No. If a cop is chasing a guy who just killed someone and he comes across a guy with a broken tail light, he should prioritize the crime that will net the larger punishment, but that doesn't mean the second guy isn't in the wrong too.
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Zeus
03/22/18 12:03:23 AM
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SteamedHams posted...
Some of them don't even know they broke the law.


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SteamedHams
03/22/18 12:05:31 AM
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You know what I mean. Didn't know at one point, didn't have a choice in the matter, etc.
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zebatov
03/22/18 12:39:38 AM
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Natives came from Asia and didn't "own" anything. So that point is tired and moot. It's also sad how many people don't know definitions to words they use.

I don't get it either. Well, kind of. People get upset about stuff that they feel affects them personally. But if that coffee shop is right across the street and the crosswalk is too far away, you bet they're jaywalking to get to it. Meanwhile going out of their way to illegally follow someone and report them for speeding, or something equally as silly.
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Revelation34
03/22/18 1:37:17 AM
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SteamedHams posted...
It's a useless argument unless your goal is to signal that you have zero compassion for other human beings because they were born in a different geographical region than you


How are those starving kids in Africa?
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FourthDimension
03/22/18 1:39:41 AM
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People pick and choose which laws are ok to break all the time.

See: prohibition, and our long history of Marijuana use
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Ogurisama
03/22/18 2:09:38 AM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Dreaming_King posted...
Jaywalkers should be fined/imprisoned based on what their local laws stipulate, as should any criminal.


And going 1 mph above the speed limit means jailtime?

You can get ticked going 1 over the speedlimit. But officers see it as a waste as it would most likely get over turned for these reasons
1. Speedometer are generally analog displays, so being slightly over can be hard to tell.
2. Holding a consistent speed is impossible (there is always small changes to your speed)
3. Speedometers calibrations may be off
4. Speed guns are not that accurate, so unless you are significantly over its pointless to pursue.
Plus an officer sees you going at the speedlimit or close to it, they wont pull you over.
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SteamedHams
03/22/18 2:23:00 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
How are those starving kids in Africa?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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Lil69Leo
03/22/18 2:29:10 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
SteamedHams posted...
It's a useless argument unless your goal is to signal that you have zero compassion for other human beings because they were born in a different geographical region than you


How are those starving kids in Africa?


Probably be better off if they could jump a boarder into the USA and be there illegally.
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Revelation34
03/22/18 3:04:05 AM
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SteamedHams posted...
Revelation34 posted...
How are those starving kids in Africa?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism


You can't have compassion for everybody apparently.
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Kyuubi4269
03/22/18 3:22:10 AM
#37:


Ogurisama posted...
shadowsword87 posted...
Dreaming_King posted...
Jaywalkers should be fined/imprisoned based on what their local laws stipulate, as should any criminal.


And going 1 mph above the speed limit means jailtime?

You can get ticked going 1 over the speedlimit. But officers see it as a waste as it would most likely get over turned for these reasons
1. Speedometer are generally analog displays, so being slightly over can be hard to tell.
2. Holding a consistent speed is impossible (there is always small changes to your speed)
3. Speedometers calibrations may be off
4. Speed guns are not that accurate, so unless you are significantly over its pointless to pursue.
Plus an officer sees you going at the speedlimit or close to it, they wont pull you over.

1. They're set to show above your speed.
2. You shouldn't be riding the limit.
3. Then it's not roadworthy.
4. You don't need a speed gun to observe excessive speed of the limit.
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XianMei
03/22/18 3:37:05 AM
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No human is illegal.
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RoboXgp89
03/22/18 10:07:03 AM
#39:


XianMei posted...
No human is illegal.


when they're hopping fences and using swimming pool rafts to get here, yeah they freaking are
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green dragon
03/22/18 10:16:49 AM
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Friendly reminder that green dragon is sleeping king

Oh wait...
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TES_Nut
03/22/18 10:43:44 AM
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Because ussually their only crime is not wanting to live in their shithole country.
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Nichtcrawler X
03/22/18 10:54:43 AM
#42:


Dreaming_King posted...
If a cop is chasing a guy who just killed someone and he comes across a guy with a broken tail light, he should prioritize the crime that will net the larger punishment, but that doesn't mean the second guy isn't in the wrong too.


He is in no way obligated to punish the second guy, the law allows him to, but he does not have to. He might choose to let him of with a warning or even just ignore it altogether.

Many laws are a framework that allows the police to apprehend "criminals", not the obligation in itself to apprehend every single breaker of every single little law. Some laws are meant as a deterrent, that are only rarely prosecuted to set an example. Some just exist to apprehend someone causing a dangerous situation (pretty sure jaywalking falls here) and some are even blankets to grab big criminals they could never get anything else to stick to (say tax evasion).

The law is a tool, not the obligation.
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