Current Events > Kids are getting shot up regularly, adults have taken zero steps to resolve it

(+) Yeah! (+)

Kids peacefully protest to take action

"HUR DUR STUPID KIDS NEED TO LEARN RESPECT AND SHUT UP DUUUUURRRRRRRRR"

Teenagers brains aren't fully developed yet. I don't think taking their thoughts on the matter is a smart thing to do.
---

Caution999 posted...

Teenagers brains aren't fully developed yet. I don't think taking their thoughts on the matter is a smart thing to do.

Your brain isn't fully developed

Glad I wasted my time trying to initiate adult conversation with you.
---

clearaflagrantj posted...

Caution999 posted...

Teenagers brains aren't fully developed yet. I don't think taking their thoughts on the matter is a smart thing to do.

Your brain isn't fully developed

Wasn't it proven recently that brains don't stop developing until age 25? So depending on Caution999's age, you could be right!
---

Caution999 posted...

Glad I wasted my time trying to initiate adult conversation with you.

I think the board would appreciate if you quit taking the time to initiate any conversation with us.
---

Unfortunately, I'm older than 25.
---

Caution999 posted...

Teenagers brains aren't fully developed yet. I don't think taking their thoughts on the matter is a smart thing to do.

So what are your thoughts on letting 18 and 19 year olds buy guns?
---

Demolish the Constitution because some children told you too, or else you're the devil.
---

The stats say it's less of an issue. You, they, the Dems, the left, are all just fear mongering.

And you guys bitched Trump out for point out Chicago's crime rates . . .
---

I'm not thrilled with the idea, but since Rape Culture on College campuses is a thing, if I had a daughter, and there were recent attacks, I'd sooner give her a gun than a do-nothing whistle.
---

"Regularly"

Nah, not what the statistics say. Schools shootings have not gotten any worse in the last 20 years, and kids are actually safer now than they were at that point.
---

The Admiral posted...

"Regularly"

Nah, not what the statistics say. Schools shootings have not gotten any worse in the last 20 years, and kids are actually safer now than they were at that point.

Meanwhile, in Chicago, where steps have been taken...

So far, the best idea Ive heard on this whole gun control debate came from Joe Rogan.

He questioned why there isnt some kind of gun examination before you buy a gun. Similar to that of a driving school for cars, he suggested a sort of gun school before you can shoot.

This idea still has problems, but its better than the Ban all guns or Ban AR-15s ideas that have been thrown around.
---

Caution999 posted...

Teenagers brains aren't fully developed yet. I don't think taking their thoughts on the matter is a smart thing to do.

I'm sure being shot doesn't help develop their brain.
---

TC hates his freedom. Nobody gives a shit about poor kids getting shot. Not even the politicians who pander to them. Fact.
---

BlueJester007 posted...

He questioned why there isnt some kind of gun examination before you buy a gun. Similar to that of a driving school for cars, he suggested a sort of gun school before you can shoot.

Guns are a right. Driving a car is not.
Maybe, just maybe, it would be neat to have some sort of training take place in lieu of a class-3 tax stamp.

Even then, several states have mandatory hunter education before they let you blast a hole through Bambi.

Tmaster148 posted...

Caution999 posted...

Teenagers brains aren't fully developed yet. I don't think taking their thoughts on the matter is a smart thing to do.

I'm sure being shot doesn't help develop their brain.

Take away people's freedom to carry, and another group will end up dying trying to protect themselves.

Double edged sword my friend. What's your answer? How does a guy who lives in the mountains - roughly about 30 minutes away from a police station defend his life?
---

Caution999 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Caution999 posted...

Teenagers brains aren't fully developed yet. I don't think taking their thoughts on the matter is a smart thing to do.

I'm sure being shot doesn't help develop their brain.

Take away people's freedom to carry, and another group will end up dying trying to protect themselves.

Double edged sword my friend. What's your answer?

I didn't say anything about taking away guns. Don't make up arguments.
---

BlueJester007 posted...

He questioned why there isnt some kind of gun examination before you buy a gun.

1. Because guns are a right, not a privilege.
2. Because this exam would be used to wantonly deny people of there rights, much like how reading tests denied blacks the right to vote during Jim Crow. There would be no good faith here.
3. This would set a minimum across the country but not guarantee universal carry so this would be big states infringing on small ones. Basically Cali would being telling KY their laws are too lax, then not allowing Kentuckian tourists to bring their guns.
4. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. 1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN. COLD. DEAD. HANDS.
---

Questionmarktarius posted...

Even then, several states have mandatory hunter education before they let you blast a hole through Bambi.

On public land. Which is fair. If you want to hunt on private land (at least in the states I've lived in) you don't need an orange card. Just the permit to take the animal.
---

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

There would be no good faith here.

America really spends far too much time basing its life on fucking faith.
---

CrimsonRage posted...

no other country would react to something like Sandy Hook and say "well, that's just how it goes."

Or call it a "false flag" for that matter, but here we are...
---

The Admiral posted...

"Regularly"

Nah, not what the statistics say. Schools shootings have not gotten any worse in the last 20 years, and kids are actually safer now than they were at that point.

agreed, i dont think we should do anything about this issue until the death toll for schoolchildren rises so high that it becomes statistically relevant
---

_OujiDoza_ posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

There would be no good faith here.

America really spends far too much time basing its life on fucking faith.

You should familiarize yourself with the phrase because what I said is not what you're thinking.
Dictionary
good faith
noun
noun: good faith

honesty or sincerity of intention.
"the details contained in this brochure have been published in good faith"

To apply it to something you might understand, voter ID laws are not done in "good faith" since it's really just a way to reducing Democratic voter turnout.
---

Questionmarktarius posted...

BlueJester007 posted...

He questioned why there isnt some kind of gun examination before you buy a gun. Similar to that of a driving school for cars, he suggested a sort of gun school before you can shoot.

Guns are a right. Driving a car is not.
Maybe, just maybe, it would be neat to have some sort of training take place in lieu of a class-3 tax stamp.

Even then, several states have mandatory hunter education before they let you blast a hole through Bambi.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

BlueJester007 posted...

He questioned why there isnt some kind of gun examination before you buy a gun.

1. Because guns are a right, not a privilege.
2. Because this exam would be used to wantonly deny people of there rights, much like how reading tests denied blacks the right to vote during Jim Crow. There would be no good faith here.
3. This would set a minimum across the country but not guarantee universal carry so this would be big states infringing on small ones. Basically Cali would being telling KY their laws are too lax, then not allowing Kentuckian tourists to bring their guns.
4. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. 1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN. COLD. DEAD. HANDS.

Like I said, his idea does have problems, but its a whole lot better then these wackos saying We gotta get rid of all the guns! Or just this really specific one!
---

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

honesty or sincerity of intention.
"the details contained in this brochure have been published in good faith"

Fair enough.
---

only cops should have guns
---

People will stand behind constitutional rights of gun owners until their loved one gets shot...
---

should we have a constitutional right to cars, though? they are both more deadly and also more useful than guns, both for every day purposes and probably for fighting government oppression
---

Quick question. How would stricter gun control have stopped this last shooting? The FBI would not investigate him and the local PD was covering up everything he done. Because of this he was legally allowed to get a gun. So how would that help?

And it isn't like adults don't want to do something. It is just when reps suggest letting teachers concealed carry or having cops in schools the left dismiss it because it isn't their plan. They don't want to keep guns out of schools. They want to keep guns out of citizens hands.
---

It's literally all about the money
---

Balrog0 posted...

should we have a constitutional right to cars, though?

There kinda is, really. There's nothing preventing anyone from buying a car.

There's just not a "right" to operate it on public roads, somewhat similar to there not being a "right" to bring a gun into a school or courthouse.

Thats the thing, people on the right are mocking the kids while coming up with literally zero other ideas aside from deal with it I guess
---

Kids are getting shot regularly? Since when?
---

If we make it illegal for kids 18-22 to own a firearm, I dont wanna hear another word about rape culture on college universities since you guys, essentially, are helping that situation.
---

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

Quick question. How would stricter gun control have stopped this last shooting? The FBI would not investigate him and the local PD was covering up everything he done. Because of this he was legally allowed to get a gun. So how would that help?

And it isn't like adults don't want to do something. It is just when reps suggest letting teachers concealed carry or having cops in schools the left dismiss it because it isn't their plan. They don't want to keep guns out of schools. They want to keep guns out of citizens hands.

Let's be real, teachers with guns is a dumb idea. Almost dumber than the fact that a lot of conservatives think that liberals want to take all the guns in existence and melt them down.
---

Caution999 posted...

If we make it illegal for kids 18-22 to own a firearm, I dont wanna hear another word about rape culture on college universities since you guys, essentially, are helping that situation.

Okay, but only if the conscription age is raised right alongside.

AlabamaLove posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

Quick question. How would stricter gun control have stopped this last shooting? The FBI would not investigate him and the local PD was covering up everything he done. Because of this he was legally allowed to get a gun. So how would that help?

And it isn't like adults don't want to do something. It is just when reps suggest letting teachers concealed carry or having cops in schools the left dismiss it because it isn't their plan. They don't want to keep guns out of schools. They want to keep guns out of citizens hands.

Let's be real, teachers with guns is a dumb idea. Almost dumber than the fact that a lot of conservatives think that liberals want to take all the guns in existence and melt them down.

It is already working in schools though. I'm not saying force teachers to carry but let teachers with training and who pass strict backgrounds checks do so. What is so dumb about that?
---

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

AlabamaLove posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

Quick question. How would stricter gun control have stopped this last shooting? The FBI would not investigate him and the local PD was covering up everything he done. Because of this he was legally allowed to get a gun. So how would that help?

And it isn't like adults don't want to do something. It is just when reps suggest letting teachers concealed carry or having cops in schools the left dismiss it because it isn't their plan. They don't want to keep guns out of schools. They want to keep guns out of citizens hands.

Let's be real, teachers with guns is a dumb idea. Almost dumber than the fact that a lot of conservatives think that liberals want to take all the guns in existence and melt them down.

It is already working in schools though. I'm not saying force teachers to carry but let teachers with training and who pass strict backgrounds checks do so. What is so dumb about that?

I hear you and everything but
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/teacher-gun-accidental-discharge.html

Like already lmao
---

AlabamaLove posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

AlabamaLove posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

Quick question. How would stricter gun control have stopped this last shooting? The FBI would not investigate him and the local PD was covering up everything he done. Because of this he was legally allowed to get a gun. So how would that help?

And it isn't like adults don't want to do something. It is just when reps suggest letting teachers concealed carry or having cops in schools the left dismiss it because it isn't their plan. They don't want to keep guns out of schools. They want to keep guns out of citizens hands.

Let's be real, teachers with guns is a dumb idea. Almost dumber than the fact that a lot of conservatives think that liberals want to take all the guns in existence and melt them down.

It is already working in schools though. I'm not saying force teachers to carry but let teachers with training and who pass strict backgrounds checks do so. What is so dumb about that?

I hear you and everything but
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/teacher-gun-accidental-discharge.html

Like already lmao

That wasn't a school that allows teachers to carry though. He didn't have to meet any of their standards and I'm willing to bet he probably wasn't supposed to have it on campus. It looks more and more like a dumbass with a gun possibly breaking the law rather than a well trained gun owner with common sense.
---

Armed security at schools (along with more secure entry/exit points) is a good short-term measure that can be applied immediately.

This is not the be-all-end-all and shouldn't be and anyone on the right stopping at that as a means of fixing this issue is misguided. But it is necessary to have countermeasures and armed deterrents in place that can be done NOW while the longer term solutions get discussed and worked on.

Even with the strictest gun control passed this minute, it won't stop a shooter from walking into a school tomorrow, so something has o be there in the meantime.

Caution999 posted...

Teenagers brains aren't fully developed yet. I don't think taking their thoughts on the matter is a smart thing to do.

"we don't want to be fucking shot to death"

"lmao what do you know?"
---

_RETS_ posted...

Armed security at schools (along with more secure entry/exit points) is a good short-term measure that can be applied immediately.

This is not the be-all-end-all and shouldn't be and anyone on the right stopping at that as a means of fixing this issue is misguided. But it is necessary to have countermeasures and armed deterrents in place that can be done NOW while the longer term solutions get discussed and worked on.

Even with the strictest gun control passed this minute, it won't stop a shooter from walking into a school tomorrow, so something has o be there in the meantime.

Have you heard about the mail bombs in Texas lately? If people wanna kill they will kill. I'm agreeing with you btw.
---

Asherlee10 posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

The Admiral posted...

"Regularly"

Nah, not what the statistics say. Schools shootings have not gotten any worse in the last 20 years, and kids are actually safer now than they were at that point.

the fact that you have them at all should alarm and anger you and make you want to do something about it.

this is why americans are seen as strange by the rest of the world. no other country thinks regularly occurring school shootings (and workplace/mall/theatre/etc. shootings) is an acceptable price to own a gun. especially school shootings. no other country would react to something like Sandy Hook and say "well, that's just how it goes."

Hear you, but I think sensationalism is also a problem. It isn't really going to solve any problems and right now the media and a lot of the general public are on this sensationalism kick.

While Admiral is right that schools are a lot safer now than they've ever been (I've seen the stats too), we can always improve the well-being of everyone. I don't think kneejerk reactions are a solution either. I think there are several major factors that contribute to some of the shit we are experiencing.

1. We need better mental health options and facilities. Plus, stigmas need to die.
2. We need a huge improvement on education, both primary and secondary.
3. We need more (healthy and positive) things to unify together on, not become more divided.

Right on with the sensationalism. One innocent student shot dead in a school is too many. That doesn't mean it is necessary to fear monger or peddle bullshit like "18 school shootings in the first 6 weeks of 2018".

There is an odd hypocrisy in the same people saying "how high does the body count have to get" also saying "there have only been X amount casualties form Muslim terrorism on American soil since 9/11" though.

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

_RETS_ posted...

Armed security at schools (along with more secure entry/exit points) is a good short-term measure that can be applied immediately.

This is not the be-all-end-all and shouldn't be and anyone on the right stopping at that as a means of fixing this issue is misguided. But it is necessary to have countermeasures and armed deterrents in place that can be done NOW while the longer term solutions get discussed and worked on.

Even with the strictest gun control passed this minute, it won't stop a shooter from walking into a school tomorrow, so something has o be there in the meantime.

Have you heard about the mail bombs in Texas lately? If people wanna kill they will kill. I'm agreeing with you btw.

Funny, if I was outside I probably could have actually heard the mail bombs. I live not too far from where they happened.

Yes, if people want to kill they will. But If I am in a room with someone and they wanted to kill me with either a fork or a gun, I would rather them have the fork.

_RETS_ posted...

Yes, if people want to kill they will. But If I am in a room with someone and they wanted to kill me with either a fork or a gun, I would rather them have the fork.

It's just too bad that room is a "No Fork Zone", huh?

Questionmarktarius posted...

_RETS_ posted...

Yes, if people want to kill they will. But If I am in a room with someone and they wanted to kill me with either a fork or a gun, I would rather them have the fork.

It's just too bad that room is a "No Fork Zone", huh?

Don't know what that is supposed to mean.

I am pro 2A, but it helps to make reasonable arguments against extreme gun control advocates instead of ones that are easily overcome.