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Jen0125
03/14/18 2:21:59 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/14/us/california-teacher-fires-gun/index.html

lmao

give guns to the teachers!
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wwinterj25
03/14/18 2:23:41 PM
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So said teacher was teaching them how to not use a gun?
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Bear
03/14/18 2:25:25 PM
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what i don't understand is this national gun violence protest

what

what does that achieve? is there anyone actually FOR gun violence? how does you not being in school change his mind? it's not sane people shooting up schools, so like ???
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Mario_VS_DK
03/14/18 2:25:30 PM
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'Accidentally'.

Either that wasn't an accident or that teacher should not be anywhere near guns ever. Actually, they probably shouldn't be anywhere near guns even if it wasn't an accident.
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WastelandCowboy
03/14/18 2:26:11 PM
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Damn. I was literally just reading about this in a different article and about to make a post.

What's weird, is the other article mentions things that CNN didn't. Like this:

http://www.westernmassnews.com/story/37720272/teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-classroom-student-injured

(Meredith) A teacher accidentally fired a pistol inside a California classroom while lecturing about public safety and injured three students, according to police.

Dennis Alexander was pointing the gun at the ceiling when he inadvertently fired it Tuesday at Seaside High School, said Abdul Pridgen, the city's police chief.

Bullet fragments ricocheted off the ceiling and hit a 17-year-old student in the neck, Pridgen said. Shortly after the incident, class resumed as usual.

he teens father, Fermin Gonzales, said he rushed his son to the hospital after the 17-year-old returned from school with blood on his shirt and a neck injury.

Hes shaken up, but hes going to be OK, Gonzales told KSBW. Im just pretty upset that no one told us anything and we had to call the police ourselves to report it.

Two other students were also injured by debris, but police said all of their injuries are minor.

Alexander also serves as a reserve officer for Sand City police and is a Seaside city councilman.

The police department and school district placed Alexander on administrative leave while investigating whether he was legally allowed to have a gun on campus.

"I think a lot of questions on parents' minds are, why a teacher would be pointing a loaded firearm at the ceiling in front of students," Superintendent PK Diffenbaugh told KSBW. "Clearly in this incident protocols were not followed."

Guns and other weapons are prohibited on school grounds, though there are exceptions involving law enforcement.


Teacher accidentally fires gun, bullet fragments, and hits three kids. Class goes on as usual, kid goes home, father sees blood, and then gets medical attention and police intervention? In California?

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Jen0125
03/14/18 2:27:53 PM
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why did he even have the fucking gun at the school to begin with if it wasn't a sanctioned demonstration?
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Bear
03/14/18 2:28:50 PM
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because he's a teacher and "i have an opportunity to teach!"

and totally not "maybe lets kill a kid today"
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Jen0125
03/14/18 2:29:32 PM
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i like the video of the cop at the elementary school doing a demonstration about gun safety and then he shot himself in his foot lmao
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WastelandCowboy
03/14/18 2:33:05 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
why did he even have the fucking gun at the school to begin with if it wasn't a sanctioned demonstration?

Just another reason why the whole idea of arming teachers with guns is moronic.

Unless they have extensive training on how to use and care for a firearm, it makes zero sense to arm them. This teacher was teaching kids on gun safety, miss-aimed, and injured students and then the teacher/school does fuck-all about it?

Hell no. Within minutes of the gun firing, the school should've been placed on lock-down, police and parents notified, medical attention gained, and the situation resolved there. Not hours later after class ends.
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Bear
03/14/18 2:39:23 PM
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i looked up reserve officer rules in california

https://www.post.ca.gov/reserve-officer-program.aspx
16. Can Level III reserve officers carry firearms?

Level III reserve officers are peace officers and are authorized to carry firearms in the course of their duties. Their entry-level training requirement includes firearms training. However, some agencies have chosen to restrict their Level III reserves from carrying firearms.


so he at least has had training, so what the fuck
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Mead
03/14/18 2:44:48 PM
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Its almost like there are too many guns being manufactured
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rjsilverthorn
03/14/18 2:45:49 PM
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Bear posted...
i looked up reserve officer rules in california

https://www.post.ca.gov/reserve-officer-program.aspx
16. Can Level III reserve officers carry firearms?

Level III reserve officers are peace officers and are authorized to carry firearms in the course of their duties. Their entry-level training requirement includes firearms training. However, some agencies have chosen to restrict their Level III reserves from carrying firearms.


so he at least has had training, so what the fuck

Apparently they need to revise their firearms curriculum
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WastelandCowboy
03/14/18 2:50:19 PM
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rjsilverthorn posted...
Bear posted...
i looked up reserve officer rules in california

https://www.post.ca.gov/reserve-officer-program.aspx
16. Can Level III reserve officers carry firearms?

Level III reserve officers are peace officers and are authorized to carry firearms in the course of their duties. Their entry-level training requirement includes firearms training. However, some agencies have chosen to restrict their Level III reserves from carrying firearms.


so he at least has had training, so what the fuck

Apparently they need to revise their firearms curriculum

And teachers shouldnt be willy-nilly teaching kids on gun safety if they cant do t right themselves.
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rjsilverthorn
03/14/18 3:05:16 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
rjsilverthorn posted...
Bear posted...
i looked up reserve officer rules in california

https://www.post.ca.gov/reserve-officer-program.aspx
16. Can Level III reserve officers carry firearms?

Level III reserve officers are peace officers and are authorized to carry firearms in the course of their duties. Their entry-level training requirement includes firearms training. However, some agencies have chosen to restrict their Level III reserves from carrying firearms.


so he at least has had training, so what the fuck

Apparently they need to revise their firearms curriculum

And teachers shouldnt be willy-nilly teaching kids on gun safety if they cant do t right themselves.

Gun safety doesn't strike me as part of the standard public safety curriculum either.

Apparently in addition to being a teacher and a reserve police officer, he's also the mayor pro tem of the city.
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SmokeMassTree
03/14/18 3:07:28 PM
#15:


Bear posted...
what i don't understand is this national gun violence protest

what

what does that achieve? is there anyone actually FOR gun violence? how does you not being in school change his mind? it's not sane people shooting up schools, so like ???


The left needs something to point at while they try to take our freedoms

And most schools are making it a mandatory part of their day under the guise of "its to remember the 17 dead kids". Nah bro, it's to further your agenda and now you're using kids both alive and dead to do it.
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demonfang178
03/14/18 3:07:54 PM
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Well, that didn't take long at all.
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Muffinz0rz
03/14/18 3:16:11 PM
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lol you and duckbear both made topics with intentionally misleading topic titles

"teacher shoots student" - the obvious intent is to lead us to believe that a bullet went straight from gun to flesh.

"teacher shoots ceiling, fragments hit student" - not nearly as sexy, basically a fair next

smh
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Bear
03/14/18 3:16:42 PM
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did muffo just learn what the point of clickbait is
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pionear
03/14/18 3:42:31 PM
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Damn, those kids should've walked out today with the rest of them...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/students-across-u-s-stage-national-walkout-month-parkland-massacre-155816275.html

Oh the Irony...
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Muffinz0rz
03/14/18 4:06:42 PM
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Bear posted...
did muffo just learn what the point of clickbait is

yes

the point is to show that i can now delete the source of said topic from my brain forever
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Monopoman
03/14/18 4:09:38 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Jen0125 posted...
why did he even have the fucking gun at the school to begin with if it wasn't a sanctioned demonstration?

Just another reason why the whole idea of arming teachers with guns is moronic.

Unless they have extensive training on how to use and care for a firearm, it makes zero sense to arm them. This teacher was teaching kids on gun safety, miss-aimed, and injured students and then the teacher/school does fuck-all about it?

Hell no. Within minutes of the gun firing, the school should've been placed on lock-down, police and parents notified, medical attention gained, and the situation resolved there. Not hours later after class ends.

Well on top of that it takes grueling training to actually head towards danger instead of away from it. If a guy pops up and starts killing people 99.99999% of the world would run the opposite direction even if they were armed. Just because you give someone a gun doesn't make them John McClain from Die Hard.
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Jen0125
03/14/18 4:13:41 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
lol you and duckbear both made topics with intentionally misleading topic titles

"teacher shoots student" - the obvious intent is to lead us to believe that a bullet went straight from gun to flesh.

"teacher shoots ceiling, fragments hit student" - not nearly as sexy, basically a fair next

smh


what does it matter? he shot a bullet and part of the bullet hit a kid. i didn't say he aimed and shot the kid on purpose.
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Muffinz0rz
03/14/18 4:19:50 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
lol you and duckbear both made topics with intentionally misleading topic titles

"teacher shoots student" - the obvious intent is to lead us to believe that a bullet went straight from gun to flesh.

"teacher shoots ceiling, fragments hit student" - not nearly as sexy, basically a fair next

smh


what does it matter? he shot a bullet and part of the bullet hit a kid. i didn't say he aimed and shot the kid on purpose.

Deliberately misleading headlines are what have led us to this age of fact-checking and fake news.

Guarantee you there's someone out there who is going to cite the "California student that got shot" after reading just these headlines
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Jen0125
03/14/18 4:22:35 PM
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it's not deliberately misleading. he accidentally shot a kid. actually several kids so if anything it was under-reporting.
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Muffinz0rz
03/14/18 4:24:23 PM
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Yes it is. In our age of school shootings and gun reform walkouts, a headline like that is just the type to get clicks. It's delusional to think otherwise.
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Jen0125
03/14/18 4:25:06 PM
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okay.

so what is misleading?

it was a teacher. they were in a school. the teacher accidentally shot a gun. the bullet accidentally hit several students.
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Muffinz0rz
03/14/18 4:28:47 PM
#27:


California Teacher Accidentally Shoots Student so obviously invokes the image of a teacher shooting a gun and the bullet hitting a student. It intentionally leaves out the part about the bullet itself hitting the ceiling and the only injuries being caused by debris and bullet fragments.

It's delusional to think that the first reaction to the topic title isn't a teacher's gun discharging and directly hitting a student.
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Jen0125
03/14/18 4:35:15 PM
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what does it matter what "image" it invokes? it's not misleading just because you're picturing something else happening.
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VioletZer0
03/14/18 4:36:29 PM
#29:


Yeah, being shot by police officers is much better than being shot by civilians right?
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VioletZer0
03/14/18 4:37:30 PM
#30:


Jen0125 posted...
what does it matter what "image" it invokes? it's not misleading just because you're picturing something else happening.


You're obfuscating the truth.
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Jen0125
03/14/18 4:37:40 PM
#31:


VioletZer0 posted...
Yeah, being shot by police officers is much better than being shot by civilians right?


please remove your whataboutism from this topic

VioletZer0 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
what does it matter what "image" it invokes? it's not misleading just because you're picturing something else happening.


You're obfuscating the truth.


no. the truth is a teacher shot a gun in a classroom at a school and it injured several children.
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VioletZer0
03/14/18 4:38:28 PM
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That's not "whataboutism"

That's the core issue of why gun ownership is important.

If civilians are disarmed, police officers are free to shoot civilians.
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SmokeMassTree
03/14/18 4:38:45 PM
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Are you honestly trying to say this isn't clickbait nonsense?

Even your title is shoots student. That didn't happen.
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ssj4supervegeta
03/14/18 4:40:22 PM
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"A 17-year-old student was injured by a bullet fragment or by debris that fell from the ceiling, Pridgen said."

he didn't shoot the student lol.
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ernieforss
03/14/18 4:42:51 PM
#35:


They should just give the students guns. That will solve the problem
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Jen0125
03/14/18 4:43:48 PM
#36:


VioletZer0 posted...
That's not "whataboutism"

That's the core issue of why gun ownership is important.

If civilians are disarmed, police officers are free to shoot civilians.


police are free to shoot armed citizens too? lmao if someone shoots you first or police are surrounding your house with guns your gun isn't gonna do shit bro.
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SmokeMassTree
03/14/18 4:44:39 PM
#37:


If you came at this from a sensible point like "another accidental gun discharge in school, should we really be arming teachers?" It would be better for your agenda.

Teachers shouldn't be armed in school.
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VioletZer0
03/14/18 4:45:05 PM
#38:


Jen0125 posted...
VioletZer0 posted...
That's not "whataboutism"

That's the core issue of why gun ownership is important.

If civilians are disarmed, police officers are free to shoot civilians.


police are free to shoot armed citizens too? lmao if someone shoots you first or police are surrounding your house with guns your gun isn't gonna do shit bro.


Yes it is.

If you're armed, you can get the civilian populace together to remind the police who they're supposed to serve.
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Jen0125
03/14/18 4:46:18 PM
#39:


idk why you gun nuts have this masturbation fantasy about rising up against police and government with your guns
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Bear
03/14/18 4:46:48 PM
#40:


that's not how it works

@VioletZer0
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RCtheWSBC
03/14/18 4:51:08 PM
#41:


VioletZer0 posted...
If you're armed, you can get the civilian populace together to remind the police who they're supposed to serve.

Why hasn't that been happening?
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VioletZer0
03/14/18 4:51:20 PM
#42:


Jen0125 posted...
idk why you gun nuts have this masturbation fantasy about rising up against police and government with your guns

Maybe that's because that's how the country was founded or something.

Without an armed populace, the government and police have zero obligation to serve the people.
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ernieforss
03/14/18 4:51:25 PM
#43:


i just read the article. i thought the teacher shot the kid, but it was just debris that hit the kid.

it's like the difference sort of like difference of being set on fire and having a flame sparks that hit you.

Either way teacher should have guns. You could have poke someone eye out.
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VioletZer0
03/14/18 4:52:18 PM
#44:


RCtheWSBC posted...
VioletZer0 posted...
If you're armed, you can get the civilian populace together to remind the police who they're supposed to serve.

Why hasn't that been happening?


It's been happening!

The Black Lives Matter protests? That would have zero weight without an armed populace.

The government would just kill them and move on.

That's what happens in China. Whenever people get together to protest for rights, the government just shoots them.
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Jen0125
03/14/18 4:53:08 PM
#45:


VioletZer0 posted...
Maybe that's because that's how the country was founded or something.


uh yeah like 300 years ago. this is modern america. maybe you should evolve with the times instead of being stuck in the 1770s.
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SmokeMassTree
03/14/18 4:53:17 PM
#46:


RCtheWSBC posted...
VioletZer0 posted...
If you're armed, you can get the civilian populace together to remind the police who they're supposed to serve.

Why hasn't that been happening?


http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-black-lives-matter-20170708-story.html
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RCtheWSBC
03/14/18 4:53:28 PM
#47:


Most BLM protests are not organized as armed protests. They are majorly non-violent.

Police brutality and misconduct affects all Americans and happens too frequently. Why haven't more armed civilians directly confronted law enforcement?
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SmokeMassTree
03/14/18 4:54:43 PM
#48:


Jen0125 posted...
VioletZer0 posted...
Maybe that's because that's how the country was founded or something.


uh yeah like 300 years ago. this is modern america. maybe you should evolve with the times instead of being stuck in the 1770s.


Jen thinks we should throw out the constitution and start over
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Zikten
03/14/18 4:55:10 PM
#49:


he shot the ceiling. then the ceiling fell on the student
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SmokeMassTree
03/14/18 4:55:40 PM
#50:


RCtheWSBC posted...
Most BLM protests are not organized as armed protests. They are majorly non-violent.

Police brutality and misconduct affects all Americans and happens too frequently. Why haven't more armed civilians directly confronted law enforcement?


Lmao at the first statement

They haven't tried to take our guns yet for the 2nd
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