Poll of the Day > Modern Games are on average much better than classic games. C/D

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WHATZITUYA
03/17/18 12:16:47 PM
#51:


Disagree.

As they say: Too many hands in the pot spoils the broth.
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goldbman
03/18/18 10:51:06 AM
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Sahuagin posted...
goldbman posted...
Actually I would argue the early 3D era was one of the most creative in gaming history

well... ok. there's two sides of a coin there, really.

on one side you have tons of constraints on what is possible. you're right, while you might think that stifles creativity, the counter-intuitive result is actually that it tends to breed creativity since it forces you to "get creative" in order to make something stand out. this is why early 2D is also a highly creative era, why 8-bit music is often so good, etc.

ok, but there's also the other side, which is when there are far less constraints on what is possible, when you can do anything you can think of. this can actually have a tendency to reduce creativity because it doesn't force you to be creative, *but it doesn't have to* and gifted people with the right ideas can make even better things in this situation.

basically, there are great games that emerge from both of these kinds of situations, which probably couldn't have emerged from the other.

you will not get SMB1 without constraints, and you won't get Dark Souls 3 with them.

Very fine point, I feel though that the lower budget games have more creative freedom. Back in the n64/ps1/Saturn days you saw a lot of creative freedom as a result of lower budgets and being early 3D
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SasukeChaos
03/18/18 11:24:49 AM
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yes
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Sherm128
03/18/18 11:48:07 AM
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Garlands_Soul
03/18/18 11:54:29 AM
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ShadosAtPhoenix posted...
The pinnacle of gaming was high budget sprites games (basically, SNES). That's when games did a few things but did them well, and companies didn't need to spend a fortune just to get things to run at all. There's still tons and tons of good games these days, but so much time is spent on things that don't matter, I feel there's a lot more noise. Long gone are the days of masterpieces after masterpieces coming back to back (though the Switch is having a pretty decent run. Maybe the world is changing).

This
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goldbman
03/19/18 12:12:51 PM
#56:


SasukeChaos posted...
yes

Why though?
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goldbman
03/19/18 10:37:19 PM
#57:


WHATZITUYA posted...
Disagree.

As they say: Too many hands in the pot spoils the broth.

True sometimes it can cause chaos
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0
03/22/18 8:51:43 PM
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WHATZITUYA posted...
Disagree.

As they say: Too many hands in the pot spoils the broth.

Cooking does not apply to games
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ParanoidObsessive
03/23/18 9:06:21 AM
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
WHATZITUYA posted...
As they say: Too many hands in the pot spoils the broth.

Cooking does not apply to games

But almost any project can suffer from too many competing creators with conflicting ideas of what the project should be. A game with hundreds of developers can potentially turn out awesome, but a game with only three head developers can easily turn out to be total shit if those three have three very different views of what the game should be.

Arguably, this has been the main problem with publishers like EA or Activision dictating to developers under their umbrella what they want to see in their games, even when those demands conflict with the actual vision or original intent of the game - it can ultimately result in a disjointed mess that winds up being critically panned and a lightning rod for gamer outrage.

To go back to the cooking metaphor, the current situation with BioWare is basically like having multiple cooks in the kitchen, but one of them is seasoning the soup with rat poison.


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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0
03/24/18 8:42:47 AM
#60:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
WHATZITUYA posted...
As they say: Too many hands in the pot spoils the broth.

Cooking does not apply to games

But almost any project can suffer from too many competing creators with conflicting ideas of what the project should be. A game with hundreds of developers can potentially turn out awesome, but a game with only three head developers can easily turn out to be total shit if those three have three very different views of what the game should be.

Arguably, this has been the main problem with publishers like EA or Activision dictating to developers under their umbrella what they want to see in their games, even when those demands conflict with the actual vision or original intent of the game - it can ultimately result in a disjointed mess that winds up being critically panned and a lightning rod for gamer outrage.

To go back to the cooking metaphor, the current situation with BioWare is basically like having multiple cooks in the kitchen, but one of them is seasoning the soup with rat poison.


Except the more the merrier in game development.
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Kyuubi4269
03/24/18 9:09:20 AM
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Except the more the merrier in game development.

Is that why FFVIIs team outclassed FFXIIIs much larger team?
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JixHedgehog
03/24/18 9:15:52 AM
#62:


Disagree

Look at all the remasters of classic games that people buy over and over

Tried and true vs a gamble
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Sahuagin
03/24/18 12:17:49 PM
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Except the more the merrier in game development.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month
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Breastmilkn_Dip
03/25/18 3:25:58 AM
#64:


Confirmed.


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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0
03/25/18 6:49:13 PM
#65:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Except the more the merrier in game development.

Is that why FFVIIs team outclassed FFXIIIs much larger team?

Ffxiii is the better game
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Kyuubi4269
03/26/18 2:23:02 AM
#66:


Troll confirmed.
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Zeus
03/26/18 3:26:23 AM
#67:


Someguy_13 posted...
Last couple Pokemon games have been pretty sub par too. Gen V was the best.


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No, Gen 5 was terrible. It was the generation that almost made me quit, especially since it the worst first gym with those shitty elemental monkeys.

And, despite the problems, 6 and 7 did a lot of cool things including trainer customization options and getting rid of HMs.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
But almost any project can suffer from too many competing creators with conflicting ideas of what the project should be. A game with hundreds of developers can potentially turn out awesome, but a game with only three head developers can easily turn out to be total shit if those three have three very different views of what the game should be.


This. Collaboration is only really a neat benefit when there's a pretty closely-shared vision. Not to mention that even *when* the creators all share a vision you're still going to run into issues if they have a large team.

t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Except the more the merrier in game development.


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No, not at all. Often it does little more than balloon a budget at no added productivity.
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kukukupo
03/26/18 6:44:43 AM
#68:


ShadosAtPhoenix posted...
The pinnacle of gaming was high budget sprites games (basically, SNES). That's when games did a few things but did them well, and companies didn't need to spend a fortune just to get things to run at all. There's still tons and tons of good games these days, but so much time is spent on things that don't matter, I feel there's a lot more noise. Long gone are the days of masterpieces after masterpieces coming back to back (though the Switch is having a pretty decent run. Maybe the world is changing).


Pretty much this right here.
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0
03/26/18 8:11:03 PM
#69:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Troll confirmed.

Because I do not worship FFVII?
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Zeus
03/26/18 8:29:43 PM
#70:


t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Troll confirmed.

Because I do not worship FFVII?


Probably more because you praise FFXIII.
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0
03/26/18 8:37:47 PM
#71:


Zeus posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Troll confirmed.

Because I do not worship FFVII?


Probably more because you praise FFXIII.

IX ,IV, and VIII >>>>> XIII >>> VI>>>> VII
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Zeus
03/26/18 8:49:45 PM
#72:


t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Zeus posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Troll confirmed.

Because I do not worship FFVII?


Probably more because you praise FFXIII.

IX ,IV, and VIII >>>>> XIII >>> VI>>>> VII


No offense, but that's an absolutely terrible opinion.
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chill02
03/27/18 3:33:22 PM
#73:


C
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0
03/27/18 10:16:25 PM
#74:


Zeus posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Zeus posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Troll confirmed.

Because I do not worship FFVII?


Probably more because you praise FFXIII.

IX ,IV, and VIII >>>>> XIII >>> VI>>>> VII


No offense, but that's an absolutely terrible opinion.

X is the best FF game. Also no my opinion is glorious.
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Zeus
03/28/18 4:12:07 AM
#75:


t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Zeus posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Zeus posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Troll confirmed.

Because I do not worship FFVII?


Probably more because you praise FFXIII.

IX ,IV, and VIII >>>>> XIII >>> VI>>>> VII


No offense, but that's an absolutely terrible opinion.

X is the best FF game. Also no my opinion is glorious.


Among other issues, you didn't even list X there.
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0
03/28/18 5:57:53 AM
#76:


Zeus posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Zeus posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Zeus posted...
t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Troll confirmed.

Because I do not worship FFVII?


Probably more because you praise FFXIII.

IX ,IV, and VIII >>>>> XIII >>> VI>>>> VII


No offense, but that's an absolutely terrible opinion.

X is the best FF game. Also no my opinion is glorious.


Among other issues, you didn't even list X there.

Because it is the best one. It is my favorite.
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JanwayDaahl
04/01/18 2:05:30 PM
#77:


I'll put it this way: the GREAT modern games are definitely better than the GREAT classic games, on average. But then there are games like Chrono Trigger or the Super Mario's which were genre-defining in their own rights.
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0
04/03/18 11:27:43 PM
#78:


JanwayDaahl posted...
I'll put it this way: the GREAT modern games are definitely better than the GREAT classic games, on average. But then there are games like Chrono Trigger or the Super Mario's which were genre-defining in their own rights.

Chrono Trigger, how?
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Newave
04/04/18 11:27:06 AM
#79:


gaming has been awful for years, the last year that had a any interesting titles released at all was 2014, and that was still an extremely dry year for gaming overall, nuff said

R.I.P.
good videogames
1979-2014
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Zareth
04/04/18 12:04:11 PM
#80:


That's a hard D.
Soooooo much shit is pumped out on a daily basis, the ratio of good to bad games was much more even in the past.
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t3h_m45k3d_G4R0
04/08/18 9:46:42 PM
#81:


Zareth posted...
That's a hard D.
Soooooo much shit is pumped out on a daily basis, the ratio of good to bad games was much more even in the past.

Not true at all
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Zeus
04/08/18 10:11:00 PM
#82:


t3h_m45k3d_G4R0 posted...
Zareth posted...
That's a hard D.
Soooooo much shit is pumped out on a daily basis, the ratio of good to bad games was much more even in the past.

Not true at all


Thanks to mobile and steam, there's more shit than you can shovel.
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