Poll of the Day > Serious Question: What would convince you to stop feeding the system?

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Im not trying to sound like a hippie but Im really curious

People say that we, the people have a lot of power to fight the government/changed the world in terms of getting rid of politics/money

Both are root causes of evil in the world yet people (us) continue feeding it

My question is what would it take, or how would you be convinced to just stop working or actually be willing to join a group to get rid of the above?
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What would replace money and politicians?

A nice roof over my head, good food in my mouth,

and all the luxuries I've ever desired.
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stores won't simply give random people free stuff out of the goodness out of their hearts
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minervo posted...

What would replace money and politicians?

This makes me sad

Do you really think the world needs money and politicians to function?

Cant there just be governance and honesty?

Why do you think that is what Im really interested in because that is conditioning at its finest. Pretty sure the world is smart enough to know we dont need either
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The idea of a government is a good thing but its easy to corrupt. All groups of people need a hierarchy.
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EvilMegas posted...

The idea of a government is a good thing but its easy to corrupt. All groups of people need a hierarchy.

Not true at all, you need someone to lead you? Why cant there just be advisors who simply advise and not lead anyone?
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Thats still a hierarchy.
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again do you expect stores to just give people stuff for free?

this whole topic reeks of "self proclaimed god" and is proof that the TC wants to be seen as some pure noble soul wanting to dismantle the system and have us all doing hard work for no compensation whatsoever
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mastermix3000 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

The idea of a government is a good thing but its easy to corrupt. All groups of people need a hierarchy.

Not true at all, you need someone to lead you? Why cant there just be advisors who simply advise and not lead anyone?

someone has to lead....even sports teams would implode without a leader

because You'd just have people clawing at each other to get their way since there's no one true leader
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EvilMegas posted...

Thats still a hierarchy.

No it isnt,

Think about what youre saying, if you had an advisor they really arent in any position of power to you, they simply guide

You do not have to follow them. But I think you raise a decent point. The world can function on its own without leaders, it just forces people to act on their own

By your logic you imply that everyone needs to be lead which is not true at all. If that were the case free will wouldnt exist

So why do people continue to think they need leaders to lead them, arent you capable of functioning without one

Im just really trying to understand that mentality because it is in so many peoples heads when it shouldnt be
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mastermix3000 posted...

minervo posted...

What would replace money and politicians?

This makes me sad

Do you really think the world needs money and politicians to function?

Cant there just be governance and honesty?

Why do you think that is what Im really interested in because that is conditioning at its finest. Pretty sure the world is smart enough to know we dont need either

Do you believe in God?

honestly think about it guys...would you honestly be willing to bust your asses off for free every single day and get nothing for it?

because that's what he's suggesting

there's no way someone's gonna get you a free tv just for a day of work like this guy probably thinks
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mastermix3000 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

Thats still a hierarchy.

No it isnt,

Think about what youre saying, if you had an advisor they really arent in any position of power to you, they simply guide

You do not have to follow them. But I think you raise a decent point. The world can function on its own without leaders, it just forces people to act on their own

By your logic you imply that everyone needs to be lead which is not true at all. If that were the case free will wouldnt exist

So why do people continue to think they need leaders to lead them, arent you capable of functioning without one

Im just really trying to understand that mentality because it is in so many peoples heads when it shouldnt be

How do they become advisors? They are appointed by the group, meaning they have more influence then the normal person.
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NightMareBunny posted...

mastermix3000 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

The idea of a government is a good thing but its easy to corrupt. All groups of people need a hierarchy.

Not true at all, you need someone to lead you? Why cant there just be advisors who simply advise and not lead anyone?

someone has to lead....even sports teams would implode without a leader

because You'd just have people clawing at each other to get their way since there's no one true leader

Youre assuming people are to stupid to claw at each other in the first place?

Ask yourself this: would you see a point of clawing/fighting instead of working together?

People are not weak minded like that, you just assume they are. I say that because try and frame yourself in your answers. Do YOU need a leader to function?
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NightMareBunny posted...

honestly think about it guys...would you honestly be willing to bust your asses off for free every single day and get nothing for it?

because that's what he's suggesting

there's no way someone's gonna get you a free tv just for a day of work like this guy probably thinks

I would try, but as soon as someone pisses me off i would leave, which would happen within the first 5 minutes.

Y'all need to read more books. Lord of the flies covered this already.
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you need a leader to keep the others from tearing the whole place down and causing anarchy to run amok

you keep assuming people would just give stuff to you for free.....
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mastermix3000 posted...

People say that we, the people have a lot of power to fight the government/changed the world in terms of getting rid of politics/money

Both are root causes of evil in the world yet people (us) continue feeding it

What are your specific issues and agendas? If you're concerned about the influence of money on leaders, keep in mind that even in systems *without* private enterprise you still have rampant corruption and horse-trading.

mastermix3000 posted...

Cant there just be governance and honesty?

You mean governance without politicians? That's government without government.

mastermix3000 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

The idea of a government is a good thing but its easy to corrupt. All groups of people need a hierarchy.

Not true at all, you need someone to lead you? Why cant there just be advisors who simply advise and not lead anyone?

What? You can have people "advise" right now. However, if nobody is in a position to actually stop people from doing things, then people wind up doing things (or, at least, until a group appears to restrict them). No matter what, you're going to wind up with a form of order or government.

NightMareBunny posted...

again do you expect stores to just give people stuff for free?

this whole topic reeks of "self proclaimed god" and is proof that the TC wants to be seen as some pure noble soul wanting to dismantle the system and have us all doing hard work for no compensation whatsoever

A little out of character. Oo
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When they stop feeding me awesome shows, movies and video games, ok?
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EvilMegas posted...

mastermix3000 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

Thats still a hierarchy.

No it isnt,

Think about what youre saying, if you had an advisor they really arent in any position of power to you, they simply guide

You do not have to follow them. But I think you raise a decent point. The world can function on its own without leaders, it just forces people to act on their own

By your logic you imply that everyone needs to be lead which is not true at all. If that were the case free will wouldnt exist

So why do people continue to think they need leaders to lead them, arent you capable of functioning without one

Im just really trying to understand that mentality because it is in so many peoples heads when it shouldnt be

How do they become advisors? They are appointed by the group, meaning they have more influence then the normal person.

Youre right but here is what Im getting at

the people have the power to push adviors out, you continue to do so until you get an advisor/s to actually do so only considering the wellbeing of the people. They do not really have power per se, just the trust of the people to advise. If they (advisor) screw up the people can get rid of them.

If you won the lottery and hired a financial advisor to give pointers do you need to follow them? Do they have power? What would you do if you constantly disagreed with said advisor?
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NightMareBunny posted...

honestly think about it guys...would you honestly be willing to bust your asses off for free every single day and get nothing for it?

because that's what he's suggesting

there's no way someone's gonna get you a free tv just for a day of work like this guy probably thinks

Youre absolutely right, Im suggesting community where everyone works just for the sake of helping each other out. If you seriously think this can never happen then I really couldnt be more disappointed to be honest

I guess this place truly is fucked lol, especially if you need/expect something in return every time you do something
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mastermix3000 posted...

Serious Question: What would convince you to stop feeding the system?

First you'd have to convince me that "the system" you're referring to is actually the problem, because I don't believe it is.

Then you'd have to convince me that any system you replace it with wouldn't be equally bad if not worse, because the actual problem lies within the humans creating those systems, because that is absolutely what I DO believe.

And then you'd have to propose to me an alternative system that actually seems like it would work and address most of the problems of the current system without creating entirely new problems, as opposed to just offering pipe dreams and wishful thinking, which is what far too many "fuck the establishment, burn it all down" sort of thinkers tend to do.

If you're the sort of person who wants to tear everything down first and then think about what you're going to build in its place afterward, then you are almost certainly worse than anything you rail against, and I oppose you with every fiber of my being.


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I feel a small piece of me die every time I agree with PO, and you just made that happen, TC. I'm normally quite the optimist, but you gotta have some sense. Utopia is all but a pipe dream.
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keyblader1985 posted...

I feel a small piece of me die every time I agree with PO, and you just made that happen, TC. I'm normally quite the optimist, but you gotta have some sense. Utopia is all but a pipe dream.

He didnt mention utopia anywhere and his answer is the most sensible out of the rest of the replies since everyone thinks politics and money are needed

Basically if there is a suitable substitute for everything presented hed be on board; it is very difficult to find something that CAN work because money is all the modern world knows. I do disagree with money not being an issue though

NightMareBunny posted...

again do you expect stores to just give people stuff for free?

this whole topic reeks of "self proclaimed god" and is proof that the TC wants to be seen as some pure noble soul wanting to dismantle the system and have us all doing hard work for no compensation whatsoever

This whole topic doesnt reek of anything lol, also practice what you preach in that last line

minervo posted...

mastermix3000 posted...

minervo posted...

What would replace money and politicians?

This makes me sad

Do you really think the world needs money and politicians to function?

Cant there just be governance and honesty?

Why do you think that is what Im really interested in because that is conditioning at its finest. Pretty sure the world is smart enough to know we dont need either

Do you believe in God?

Pretty sure God is the collective conscience and not the man in the sky youre probably referencing to. That opens up another can of works which is Material vs non-material aka non-physical
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mastermix3000 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

The idea of a government is a good thing but its easy to corrupt. All groups of people need a hierarchy.

Not true at all, you need someone to lead you? Why cant there just be advisors who simply advise and not lead anyone?

If people dont feel accountable for their actions they are more likely to act in their baser desires.

Being responsible for others lives is a required step of the full human experience. This can take form in many ways including raising kids, and naturally heiarchys are required to maintain order while one is raising another.
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I'll just dump this here:
Papa Roach - Between Angels And Insects

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My feelings on the matter are kind of complicated. I know the system is flawed, but I like the system because living now is better than living at just about any other point in history. That said, I'd also agree with PO that if you show me a system that's better, and have a reasonable plan to implement it, I could be persuaded.

I do have to disagree that money and politics are the root of evil. Money is just a way of facilitating trade. Unchecked greed is the actual problem, not money.

Getting rid of politicians is just a lost cause. You're not going to get rid of politics without getting rid of people all together. Politics is basically just the result of people wanting to be in charge and make the decisions. The problem there is that the people who get into it generally do it for personal gain rather than making the world a better place to live.
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I'll go along with the system in place because that's the pragmatic choice and I feel homogeny is important. A divergence I'd be willing to make from that path would be to support a regime change that echoed my personal opinions and had a moderate chance of success at leading the country. Likewise, I guess if SJWs ruined everything, I'd rather die than be a party to it.
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The second I have a choice alright?
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