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FrisbeeDude
03/12/18 12:37:17 PM
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Barenziah Boy Toy
03/12/18 12:37:23 PM
#56:


masticatingman posted...
Cultural appropriation ignores how America is obviously a cultural melting pot.

The thing about ppl who criticize the concept of cultural appropriation is that they ignore how appropriation term involves one's lack of understanding or appreciation of the people and culture that they're taking from.
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Sativa_Rose
03/12/18 12:37:44 PM
#57:


Your ethnicity does not dictate in any way, shape, or form what genres of music you can play or listen to

/thread
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wackyteen
03/12/18 12:38:25 PM
#58:


M_Live posted...
Tbh I thought Bruno Mars was black, at least mixed.

I never really cared or thought it mattered

This whole telling people what they can and can't perform or enjoy things because of the color of their skin or where they're from is stupid
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Barenziah Boy Toy
03/12/18 12:38:40 PM
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wackyteen posted...
So you have to be of a certain skin color to perform a certain genre of music

No. It's whether you are genuinely understanding and appreciative of the culture that you're taking/borrowing from.

Vanilla Ice = bad.
Eminem = good.
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s0nicfan
03/12/18 12:38:42 PM
#60:


"Isolated incident" #35792 in the "the left totally doesn't have a problem with extremist views" case file.

As expected, the usual suspects are here to remind us that even though this kind of stuff gets posted literally every day, they're not at all a sign of a larger problem with the far left that the regular left is ignoring.
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masticatingman
03/12/18 12:39:52 PM
#61:


joestarrr posted...
masticatingman posted...
Cultural appropriation ignores how America is obviously a cultural melting pot.


I disagree. Sharing culture is different from taking it and making it yours when it does not belong to you.


So African Americans shouldnt be allowed to perform classical music that was made by an old white European composer and utilizes instruments which were invented in Europe?
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Kaname_Madoka
03/12/18 12:40:26 PM
#62:


gamer167 posted...
Jimmy Hendrix was bigoted trash who appropriated playing the guitar and rock and roll

rock n roll was created by black people lmao
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Barenziah Boy Toy
03/12/18 12:40:53 PM
#64:


Sativa_Rose posted...
Your ethnicity does not dictate in any way, shape, or form what genres of music you can play or listen to

And that's what not what cultural appropriation means. Eminem is white, but the hiphop community respects him because he fucking grew up in black ghettos with a single mother.
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masticatingman
03/12/18 12:42:12 PM
#65:


M_Live posted...
masticatingman posted...
joestarrr posted...
masticatingman posted...
Cultural appropriation ignores how America is obviously a cultural melting pot.


I disagree. Sharing culture is different from taking it and making it yours when it does not belong to you.


So African Americans shouldnt be allowed to perform classical music that was made by an old white European composer and utilizes instruments which were invented in Europe?

I think you misinterpreted entirely


Were trying to divide up music by heritage and who it belongs to. Seems pretty accurate
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Barenziah Boy Toy
03/12/18 12:43:37 PM
#66:


masticatingman posted...
So African Americans shouldnt be allowed to perform classical music that was made by an old white European composer and utilizes instruments which were invented in Europe?

a) Not all of those instruments were invented in Europe, or by white Europeans.
b) Are African American performers not giving proper credit and appreciation to European composers and inspirations?
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darkjedilink
03/12/18 12:43:53 PM
#67:


gamer167 posted...
Jimmy Hendrix was bigoted trash who appropriated playing the guitar and rock and roll

All he did was covers, without improving them in any way.
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darkjedilink
03/12/18 12:44:32 PM
#68:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Your ethnicity does not dictate in any way, shape, or form what genres of music you can play or listen to

And that's what not what cultural appropriation means. Eminem is white, but the hiphop community respects him because he fucking grew up in black ghettos with a single mother.

No, he didn't.
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Sativa_Rose
03/12/18 12:44:38 PM
#69:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Your ethnicity does not dictate in any way, shape, or form what genres of music you can play or listen to

And that's what not what cultural appropriation means. Eminem is white, but the hiphop community respects him because he fucking grew up in black ghettos with a single mother.


That's ridiculous. So if Eminem grew up in Luxembourg, would he be not respected as a rapper?
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Barenziah Boy Toy
03/12/18 12:46:59 PM
#70:


darkjedilink posted...
No, he didn't.

Yeah, he did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminem#1972%E2%80%931991:_Early_life
Marshall Bruce Mathers III was born on October 17, 1972,[4] in St. Joseph, Missouri, the only child of Marshall Bruce Mathers Jr. and Deborah Rae "Debbie" Nelson.[5][6][7] His mother nearly died during her 73-hour labor with him.[8] Eminem's parents were in a band called Daddy Warbucks, playing in Ramada Inns along the DakotasMontana border before their separation. Bruce left the family, moving to California[9] and having two other children: Michael and Sarah.[10] Debbie later had son Nathan "Nate" Kane Samara.[7] During his childhood, Eminem and Debbie shuttled between Michigan and Missouri, rarely staying in one house for more than a year or two and living primarily with family members. In Missouri, they lived in several places, including St. Joseph, Savannah, and Kansas City.[11][12]

As a teenager, Eminem wrote letters to his father; according to Debbie, all came back marked "return to sender".[9] Friends and family remember Eminem as a happy child, but "a bit of a loner" who was often bullied. One bully, De'Angelo Bailey, severely injured Eminem's head (mentioned in his song "Brain Damage"); Debbie filed a lawsuit against the school in 1982, which was dismissed the following year.[8] Eminem spent much of his youth in a working-class, primarily black, Detroit neighborhood.[9] He and Debbie were one of three white households on their block, and Eminem was beaten by black youths several times.[9] As a child he was interested in storytelling, aspiring to be a comic-book artist before discovering hip hop.[13] Eminem heard his first rap song ("Reckless", featuring Ice-T) on the Breakin' soundtrack, a gift from Debbie's half-brother Ronnie Polkinghorn, who later became a musical mentor to him. When Polkinghorn committed suicide in 1991, Eminem stopped speaking for days and did not attend his funeral.[9][14]

Eminem's home life was seldom stable; he frequently fought with his mother, whom a social worker described as having a "very suspicious, almost paranoid personality". When her son became famous, Debbie was unimpressed by suggestions that she was a less-than-ideal mother, contending that she sheltered him and was responsible for his success. In 1987, Debbie allowed runaway Kimberly Ann "Kim" Scott to stay at their home; several years later, Eminem began an on-and-off relationship with Scott.[8] After spending three years in ninth grade due to truancy and poor grades,[15] he dropped out of Lincoln High School at age 17. Although he was interested in English, he never explored literature (preferring comic books) and disliked math and social studies.[16] Eminem worked at several jobs to help his mother pay the bills, later maintaining that she often threw him out of the house anyway. When she left to play bingo, he would blast the stereo and write songs.[9]

At age 14, Eminem began rapping with high-school friend Mike Ruby; they adopted the names "Manix" and "M&M", the latter of which evolved into "Eminem".[4][8] Eminem sneaked into neighboring Osborn High School with friend and fellow rapper Proof for lunchroom freestyle rap battles.[17] On Saturdays, they attended open mic contests at the Hip-Hop Shop on West 7 Mile, considered "ground zero" for the Detroit rap scene.[9] Struggling to succeed in a predominantly black industry, Eminem was appreciated by underground hip hop audiences.[4][18][19] When he wrote verses, he wanted most of the words to rhyme; he wrote long words or phrases on paper and, underneath, worked on rhymes for each syllable.[16] Although the words often made little sense, the drill helped Eminem practice sounds and rhymes.[16]

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Kaname_Madoka
03/12/18 12:47:04 PM
#71:


Sativa_Rose posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Your ethnicity does not dictate in any way, shape, or form what genres of music you can play or listen to

And that's what not what cultural appropriation means. Eminem is white, but the hiphop community respects him because he fucking grew up in black ghettos with a single mother.


That's ridiculous. So if Eminem grew up in Luxembourg, would he be not respected as a rapper?

probably not lol

culture is a big thing for rappers
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TheGrindery
03/12/18 12:47:59 PM
#72:


Let people be upset about stupid shit. Make money while they pretend to be victimized.

"Do you even make any music or write any lyrics?"
"No, but I'm black so those genres are 'mine' too so they gotta meet my standards."

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Barenziah Boy Toy
03/12/18 12:49:19 PM
#73:


Sativa_Rose posted...
That's ridiculous. So if Eminem grew up in Luxembourg, would he be not respected as a rapper?

Depends on his lyrics. Eminem isn't just respected for his technical skills. He's also respected because his lyrics ring true.

Beastie Boys are respected as hip-hop artists, but they're not exactly embraced among the gangsta rap community.
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TheVipaGTS
03/12/18 12:49:26 PM
#74:


Sativa_Rose posted...
would he be not respected as a rapper?

i guess it depends on what he was rapping about. Eminem isn't respected because of where he was from or who he grew up around necessarily. Its because he's not fake. He's not pretending to be something to fit in with everyone else. if he grew up in NYC Penthouses and came out acting like B-Rad i don't think he'd be viewed as favorably.

not that that really has much to do with cultural appropriation but its all about the context.
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TheGrindery
03/12/18 12:50:30 PM
#76:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Your ethnicity does not dictate in any way, shape, or form what genres of music you can play or listen to

And that's what not what cultural appropriation means. Eminem is white, but the hiphop community respects him because he fucking grew up in black ghettos with a single mother.


That's ridiculous. So if Eminem grew up in Luxembourg, would he be not respected as a rapper?

probably not lol

culture is a big thing for rappers

Being broke and having one parent is culture?

Reminds me of Ninja Turtles. "You call this...over here...and THAT...down there..FAMILY?!"
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TheVipaGTS
03/12/18 12:54:41 PM
#77:


leverageblargh posted...
It reeks of thinly veiled jealousy and entitlement.

i completely agree that what it has become NOW is just that and it is annoying. as with most things it just sort of devolved when the notion reached mass status. i completely get if one culture made or created something and others were using it to profit without giving credit how the first group would be upset. i completely get the "point" being used against Mars...Look at his catalog. Uptown Funk is nothing like Finesse. They're two different genres/styles/sounds. you can't even really pinpoint what genre/style/sound mars is as he does borrow from everywhere for his hits. now personally I have no issue with that at all...

But what "cultural appropriation" has become now...like attacking someone for having dreads, is just doing way too much and only serves to hurt those who are ACTUALLY hurt by their own cultures being gutted without credit.
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The Great Muta 22
03/12/18 12:54:55 PM
#78:


TheGrindery posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Your ethnicity does not dictate in any way, shape, or form what genres of music you can play or listen to

And that's what not what cultural appropriation means. Eminem is white, but the hiphop community respects him because he fucking grew up in black ghettos with a single mother.


That's ridiculous. So if Eminem grew up in Luxembourg, would he be not respected as a rapper?

probably not lol

culture is a big thing for rappers

Being broke and having one parent is culture?

Reminds me of Ninja Turtles. "You call this...over here...and THAT...down there..FAMILY?!"


Not really that as much as it's being from a poor and shitty area from right outside Detroit
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Twin3Turbo
03/12/18 12:57:30 PM
#79:


CasualGuy posted...
eston posted...
Regardless of whether anyone agrees with the cultural appropriation aspect, this:
"What Bruno Mars does, is he takes pre-existing work and he just completely, word-for-word recreates it, extrapolates it," she added. "He does not create it, he does not improve upon it, he does not make it better. He's a karaoke singer, he's a wedding singer, he's the person you hire to do Michael Jackson and Prince covers. Yet Bruno Mars has an Album of the Year Grammy and Prince never won an Album of the Year Grammy."

is a fairly accurate statement


I know very little about music. Who did he steal that 24 magic song from?

I don't think he necessarily "stole" it, but it definitely has heavy funk elements to it. That song heavily reminds me of pretty much anything by The Gap Band back in the 70's & 80's.
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Lathissamus
03/12/18 12:57:42 PM
#80:


MC_BatCommander posted...
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FrisbeeDude posted...
https://imgur.com/gallery/4uPRj


That's a slam dunk screen cap.


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Barenziah Boy Toy
03/12/18 12:59:02 PM
#81:


TheGrindery posted...
Being broke and having one parent is culture?

Yes.
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Lathissamus
03/12/18 12:59:03 PM
#82:


Bruno Wars definitely could have been a great CE meme if this topic wasn't filled with serious posts.
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Alucard188
03/12/18 12:59:49 PM
#83:


Does Bruno Wars is Cultural Appropriation?
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Lathissamus
03/12/18 1:00:10 PM
#84:


Alucard188 posted...
Does Bruno Wars is Cultural Appropriation?

Yes thank you mod
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TheGrindery
03/12/18 1:00:13 PM
#85:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Being broke and having one parent is culture?

Yes.

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The Admiral
03/12/18 1:00:34 PM
#86:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Being broke and having one parent is culture?

Yes.


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Sativa_Rose
03/12/18 1:00:46 PM
#87:


Wasn't it cultural appropriation the first time a black man picked up the trumpet and started playing jazz music?

I say no, but the logic of those SJWs waging the Bruno Wars would be yes.
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Zodd3224
03/12/18 1:01:00 PM
#88:


Cultural appropriation is the dumbest shit I've ever heard
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mario2000
03/12/18 1:01:22 PM
#89:


so what did everyone think of the latest Bruno Wars movie
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Kaname_Madoka
03/12/18 1:01:44 PM
#90:


TheGrindery posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Your ethnicity does not dictate in any way, shape, or form what genres of music you can play or listen to

And that's what not what cultural appropriation means. Eminem is white, but the hiphop community respects him because he fucking grew up in black ghettos with a single mother.


That's ridiculous. So if Eminem grew up in Luxembourg, would he be not respected as a rapper?

probably not lol

culture is a big thing for rappers

Being broke and having one parent is culture?

Reminds me of Ninja Turtles. "You call this...over here...and THAT...down there..FAMILY?!"

Culture as in the social behavior and norms found in human societies. Culture is considered a central concept in anthropology, encompassing the range of phenomena that are transmitted through social learning in human societies.
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FrisbeeDude
03/12/18 1:02:03 PM
#91:


Zodd3224 posted...
Cultural appropriation is the dumbest shit I've ever heard


Lmao
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Barenziah Boy Toy
03/12/18 1:02:04 PM
#92:


Sativa_Rose posted...
Wasn't it cultural appropriation the first time a black man picked up the trumpet and started playing jazz music?

Depends on if that black man didn't give proper credit for the trumpet.
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Sativa_Rose
03/12/18 1:02:18 PM
#93:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Your ethnicity does not dictate in any way, shape, or form what genres of music you can play or listen to

And that's what not what cultural appropriation means. Eminem is white, but the hiphop community respects him because he fucking grew up in black ghettos with a single mother.


That's ridiculous. So if Eminem grew up in Luxembourg, would he be not respected as a rapper?

probably not lol

culture is a big thing for rappers

Being broke and having one parent is culture?

Reminds me of Ninja Turtles. "You call this...over here...and THAT...down there..FAMILY?!"

Culture as in the social behavior and norms found in human societies. Culture is considered a central concept in anthropology, encompassing the range of phenomena that are transmitted through social learning in human societies.


Did you have to memorize this definition for a Cultural Anthropology class?
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Sativa_Rose
03/12/18 1:02:38 PM
#94:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Wasn't it cultural appropriation the first time a black man picked up the trumpet and started playing jazz music?

Depends on if that black man didn't give proper credit for the trumpet.


He didn't give Arban the credit he was supposed to.
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Balrog0
03/12/18 1:04:06 PM
#95:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
darkjedilink posted...
No, he didn't.

Yeah, he did.

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As a teenager, Eminem wrote letters to his father; according to Debbie, all came back marked "return to sender".[9] Friends and family remember Eminem as a happy child, but "a bit of a loner" who was often bullied. One bully, De'Angelo Bailey, severely injured Eminem's head (mentioned in his song "Brain Damage"); Debbie filed a lawsuit against the school in 1982, which was dismissed the following year.[8] Eminem spent much of his youth in a working-class, primarily black, Detroit neighborhood.[9] He and Debbie were one of three white households on their block, and Eminem was beaten by black youths several times.[9] As a child he was interested in storytelling, aspiring to be a comic-book artist before discovering hip hop.[13] Eminem heard his first rap song ("Reckless", featuring Ice-T) on the Breakin' soundtrack, a gift from Debbie's half-brother Ronnie Polkinghorn, who later became a musical mentor to him. When Polkinghorn committed suicide in 1991, Eminem stopped speaking for days and did not attend his funeral.[9][14]

Eminem's home life was seldom stable; he frequently fought with his mother, whom a social worker described as having a "very suspicious, almost paranoid personality". When her son became famous, Debbie was unimpressed by suggestions that she was a less-than-ideal mother, contending that she sheltered him and was responsible for his success. In 1987, Debbie allowed runaway Kimberly Ann "Kim" Scott to stay at their home; several years later, Eminem began an on-and-off relationship with Scott.[8] After spending three years in ninth grade due to truancy and poor grades,[15] he dropped out of Lincoln High School at age 17. Although he was interested in English, he never explored literature (preferring comic books) and disliked math and social studies.[16] Eminem worked at several jobs to help his mother pay the bills, later maintaining that she often threw him out of the house anyway. When she left to play bingo, he would blast the stereo and write songs.[9]

At age 14, Eminem began rapping with high-school friend Mike Ruby; they adopted the names "Manix" and "M&M", the latter of which evolved into "Eminem".[4][8] Eminem sneaked into neighboring Osborn High School with friend and fellow rapper Proof for lunchroom freestyle rap battles.[17] On Saturdays, they attended open mic contests at the Hip-Hop Shop on West 7 Mile, considered "ground zero" for the Detroit rap scene.[9] Struggling to succeed in a predominantly black industry, Eminem was appreciated by underground hip hop audiences.[4][18][19] When he wrote verses, he wanted most of the words to rhyme; he wrote long words or phrases on paper and, underneath, worked on rhymes for each syllable.[16] Although the words often made little sense, the drill helped Eminem practice sounds and rhymes.[16]


are you implying african american culture is synonymous with poverty and a broken home life? or is his presence in a predominantly minority area the main part that matters? is it a combination of those things?
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PlsGodDontBanMe
03/12/18 1:05:13 PM
#96:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
The main question about appropriation is whether Bruno Mars understands and appreciates black or African American culture.


He doesnt need to to sing hip hop or r&b
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CasualGuy
03/12/18 1:06:04 PM
#97:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Wasn't it cultural appropriation the first time a black man picked up the trumpet and started playing jazz music?

Depends on if that black man didn't give proper credit for the trumpet.


By credit do you mean money?

Bruno has probably acknowledged his influences at some point in time
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Ammonitida
03/12/18 1:07:55 PM
#98:


The Admiral posted...
eston posted...
Regardless of whether anyone agrees with the cultural appropriation aspect, this:
"What Bruno Mars does, is he takes pre-existing work and he just completely, word-for-word recreates it, extrapolates it," she added. "He does not create it, he does not improve upon it, he does not make it better. He's a karaoke singer, he's a wedding singer, he's the person you hire to do Michael Jackson and Prince covers. Yet Bruno Mars has an Album of the Year Grammy and Prince never won an Album of the Year Grammy."

is a fairly accurate statement


This is like a 1/3 of hip-hop music that just samples other songs.


Indeed. Vanilla Ice or some other white rapper (can't remember) was sued for a certain beat by a white composer. The judge threw out the case after stating that all or most rap music would be subject to "plagiarism" under the plaintiff's logic.
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The Admiral
03/12/18 1:09:33 PM
#99:


Vanilla Ice's most famous song (Ice Ice Baby) is a rip-off of Under Pressure by Queen

M.C. Hammer's most famous song (Can't Touch This) is a rip-off of Super Freak by Rick James.
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TheGrindery
03/12/18 1:09:40 PM
#100:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Being broke and having one parent is culture?

Yes.

So would I be guilty of cultural appropriation if I run out on my family?
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Barenziah Boy Toy
03/12/18 1:09:41 PM
#101:


CasualGuy posted...
Bruno has probably acknowledged his influences at some point in time

I agree. I'm not saying that Bruno Mars is guilty of cultural appropriation. I'm only stating that the debate needs to center around his actions regarding understanding and appreciation of the cultures that he's borrowing from.
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GreatEvilEmpire
03/12/18 1:16:56 PM
#102:


If you speak English or wear jeans, you're guilty of cultural appropriation.

I see that people are still pissed off that Bruno Mars won a few Grammy awards, without realizing that fact that he's part black. His Puerto Rican roots probably crossed with African ancestry. He's just more mixed than anything else.

It's 2018 and I still see some people want a path to segregation. Talk about a regressive bunch.
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Ammonitida
03/12/18 1:19:46 PM
#103:


I remember now. It was Kreftwick (whose music was a forerunner of modern hiphop and arguably invented electro) who sued a black producer.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jun/01/kraftwerk-sampling-lawsuit-defeat-sabrina-setlur-precedent

Having provided a significant building block in hip-hop and sampling in the 1980s, with Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Forces pioneering Planet Rock being structured around Trans Europe Express, Kraftwerks court loss here takes on extra significance. According to WhoSampled.com, an online repository of sampling information, the sample in question here was lifted from 38 seconds into Metal On Metal, but opens and carries all the way through the Setlur track. It was arguably far from an identifiable hook within the original track so this case was really about the perceived purity of the original recording and its creators zeal to ringfence that at all costs.
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