Current Events > Elizabeth Warren refuses to take DNA test to prove Native American heritage

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Uncle Choad posted...All I care about is the money that is added to my paycheck. The Democrats voted against that because supporting anything Trump is political suicide.

Imagine having to be that loyal to your party regardless of what you believe in.

You mean like what republicans are doing? The only ones actually standing up to Trump's nonsense are those about to retire or have quit politics all together. Seems its a problem for both sides caused by the same person.
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Uncle Choad posted...

Because the government hasn't wasted shitload of money, ever.

Nice cis-normative straw person.
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Funkydog posted...

The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

I mean, even if she did take it and proved her claims, would people believe it anyway? Not like people stopped it with Obama after all.

Outside of fringe lunatics, it did stop that though. I don't recall any politicians or mainstream news figures bringing it up again.

How many still actually believe it though? I confess I rarely pay attention to American politics, and this Warren stuff even less so but the "main conspiracy theorists" seem to stick with what they do no matter what and offer no apology for their blatant lies when proven wrong.

(For example, Trump. I hear he is currently the president in America)

Even Trump eventually stopped with the birther stuff after he released the long-form certificate also.
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Not surprise by the left hypocrisy on ce tbh
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The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

I mean, even if she did take it and proved her claims, would people believe it anyway? Not like people stopped it with Obama after all.

Outside of fringe lunatics, it did stop that though. I don't recall any politicians or mainstream news figures bringing it up again.

How many still actually believe it though? I confess I rarely pay attention to American politics, and this Warren stuff even less so but the "main conspiracy theorists" seem to stick with what they do no matter what and offer no apology for their blatant lies when proven wrong.

(For example, Trump. I hear he is currently the president in America)

Trump stopped with the birther stuff after he released the long-form certificate also.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-birth-certificate-nyt/index.html

edit: that article cites this one

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/us/politics/trump-access-hollywood-tape.html?_r=0

which states

Advisers say he continues to privately harbor a handful of conspiracy theories that have no grounding in fact.

In recent months, they say, Mr. Trump has used closed-door conversations to question the authenticity of President Barack Obamas birth certificate.
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The Admiral posted...

Trump stopped with the birther stuff after he released the long-form certificate also.

Stop with the revisionist history

4/27/2011: Barack Obama released his long-form birth certificate
8/06/2012: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/232572505238433794
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The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

I mean, even if she did take it and proved her claims, would people believe it anyway? Not like people stopped it with Obama after all.

Outside of fringe lunatics, it did stop that though. I don't recall any politicians or mainstream news figures bringing it up again.

This is blatantly false considering the fucking current President still made comments about that less than 3 years ago.

Stop lying
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ITT: The United States government needs more money, Trump has a gigantic chode (like me), and Elizabeth Warren is still fighting for our rights or something.
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The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

I mean, even if she did take it and proved her claims, would people believe it anyway? Not like people stopped it with Obama after all.

Outside of fringe lunatics, it did stop that though. I don't recall any politicians or mainstream news figures bringing it up again.

How many still actually believe it though? I confess I rarely pay attention to American politics, and this Warren stuff even less so but the "main conspiracy theorists" seem to stick with what they do no matter what and offer no apology for their blatant lies when proven wrong.

(For example, Trump. I hear he is currently the president in America)

Trump stopped with the birther stuff after he released the long-form certificate also.

Again, this is factually incorrect. You do know we can all look this shit up, right? Stop trying to gaslight people for Trump
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

I mean, even if she did take it and proved her claims, would people believe it anyway? Not like people stopped it with Obama after all.

Outside of fringe lunatics, it did stop that though. I don't recall any politicians or mainstream news figures bringing it up again.

This is blatantly false considering the fucking current President still made comments about that less than 3 years ago.

Stop lying

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/index.html
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CableZL posted...

The Admiral posted...

Trump stopped with the birther stuff after he released the long-form certificate also.

Stop with the revisionist history

4/27/2011: Barack Obama released his long-form birth certificate
8/06/2012: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/232572505238433794

To expand on this:

"There are three things that could happen. And one of them did happen. He was perhaps born in Kenya. Very simple, OK? He was perhaps born in this country. But said he was born in Kenya because if you say you were born in Kenya, you got aid and you got into colleges. People were doing that. So perhaps he was born in this country, and that has a very big chance. Or, you know, who knows?"
- May 27, 2014, in remarks at the National Press Club

"Well, I don't know -- did he do it? ... Well, a lot of people don't agree with you and a lot of people feel it wasn't a proper certificate."
-May 2014, in an interview with TV3's Colette Fitzpatrick in Ireland, Trump first contested whether Obama had released his birth certificate, then questioned whether its legitimacy.

"Was it a birth certificate? You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm saying I don't know. Nobody knows."
- August 2013, to ABC News
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CableZL posted...

The Admiral posted...

Trump stopped with the birther stuff after he released the long-form certificate also.

Stop with the revisionist history

4/27/2011: Barack Obama released his long-form birth certificate
8/06/2012: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/232572505238433794

Whelp I guess that's the end of Addy posting in here.

Tune in next time for Dragging Our balls on CE!!
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The Admiral posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

I mean, even if she did take it and proved her claims, would people believe it anyway? Not like people stopped it with Obama after all.

Outside of fringe lunatics, it did stop that though. I don't recall any politicians or mainstream news figures bringing it up again.

This is blatantly false considering the fucking current President still made comments about that less than 3 years ago.

Stop lying

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/index.html

You said: "Trump stopped with the birther stuff after he released the long-form certificate also."

That's false. Trump continued with the birther bullshit after Obama released his long-form birth certificate.
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The Admiral posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

I mean, even if she did take it and proved her claims, would people believe it anyway? Not like people stopped it with Obama after all.

Outside of fringe lunatics, it did stop that though. I don't recall any politicians or mainstream news figures bringing it up again.

This is blatantly false considering the fucking current President still made comments about that less than 3 years ago.

Stop lying

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/index.html

So it was literally half a decade later and after the long form certificate had been out for awhile, which contradicts your claim entirely, that he finally "admitted" it, and likely not because his opinion actually changed but because it became the smart political move.

Just admit you were wrong
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I'd just like to point out that Trump's trolling game is never going to be matched. 7 years later and people are still talking about one of the dumbest (and most hilarious) claims about Obama.

Amazing stuff, folks. Believe me. (also vote for me and I'll make sure you have stuff to complain about forever)
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Funkydog posted...

I mean, even if she did take it and proved her claims, would people believe it anyway? Not like people stopped it with Obama after all.

Outside of fringe lunatics, it did stop that though. I don't recall any politicians or mainstream news figures bringing it up again.

This is blatantly false considering the fucking current President still made comments about that less than 3 years ago.

Stop lying

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/index.html

So it was literally half a decade later and after the long form certificate had been out for awhile, which contradicts your claim entirely, that he finally "admitted" it, and likely not because his opinion actually changed but because it became the smart political move.

Just admit you were wrong

Nah, but I will admit this deflection from Warren was fun.

Now back to the topic at hand.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Just admit you were wrong

He did stop though!

Just five years later. Admiral never gave specific dates for when. Just after.

The Admiral posted...

Nah, but I will admit this deflection from Warren was fun.

Now back to the topic at hand.

It's not that much of a deflection. It is a point that even if she does prove it, Trump won't stop his accusations so... why bother?
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Just admit you were wrong

You do know you're talking to Admiral right?
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Uncle Choad posted...

All I care about is the money that is added to my paycheck.

sounds to me like all you care about is the money that is added to your paycheck tomorrow.

perhaps you need a longer-term mindset. as-written, the tax cut bill that republicans voted for and democrats voted against would cause you to pay more of your income as taxes over the next 20 years.

remember, 401k income is subject to income tax, so this matters even if you plan on retiring in the next 10.
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The Admiral posted...

Nah, but I will admit this deflection from Warren was fun.

Now back to the topic at hand.

It's quite pathetic how arrogant you are about yourself when you're objectively proven wrong and transparently want to change the subject
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Darkman124 posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

All I care about is the money that is added to my paycheck.

sounds to me like all you care about is the money that is added to your paycheck tomorrow.

perhaps you need a longer-term mindset. as-written, the tax cut bill that republicans voted for and democrats voted against would cause you to pay more of your income as taxes over the next 20 years.

remember, 401k income is subject to income tax, so this matters even if you plan on retiring in the next 10.

Debby Downer. Nothing is good. All bad. Here's why.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Nah, but I will admit this deflection from Warren was fun.

Now back to the topic at hand.

It's quite pathetic how arrogant you are about yourself when you're objectively proven wrong and transparently want to change the subject

How dare he want to get back to what this topic was originally about to begin with!!!!
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Uncle Choad posted...

Debby Downer. Nothing is good. All bad. Here's why.

translation: "Shit, you know something about finance and i have no other arguments to make!"

if you only care about your income, i recommend something other than blind optimism for your political and socio-economic views.

unless, y'know, you're just trolling. in which case you might want to say so now.
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Funkydog posted...

It's not that much of a deflection. It is a point that even if she does prove it, Trump won't stop his accusations so... why bother?

Because this isn't about Trump. She's being asked by local constituents and the press about it, and there are some people on the left who want to support her but are concerned she exploited a system at the expense of minorities to advance her career.
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Darkman124 posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Debby Downer. Nothing is good. All bad. Here's why.

translation: "Shit, you know something about finance and i have no other arguments to make!"

Seeing as none of my retirement accounts are subject to income taxes when I withdraw, I'm not too worried about any of the points you made.

It's more "this is what is going to happen (probably not, but people who don't like Trump like to read this), so be mad about it".
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Caution999 posted...

How dare he want to get back to what this topic was originally about to begin with!!!!

So topics don't evolve? Why did he even make the point anyways then if he wasn't willing stay on it?
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everyone that uses their heritage as a stepping stool at some point in their life (i.e. everyone here) needs to be forced to pay $100 to prove they deserved it
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The Admiral posted...

Because this isn't about Trump. She's being asked by local constituents and the press about it, and there are some people on the left who want to support her but are concerned she exploited a system at the expense of minorities to advance her career.

Well, if her constituents are the ones asking for it that is more understandable. I guess it is her choice to risk not being reelected if she ignores them but her choice ultimately.
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Caution999 posted...

How dare he want to get back to what this topic was originally about to begin with!!!!

How dare someone call out blatant bullshit and straight up lies and then mock their inability to admit when they are wrong, you mean
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The Admiral posted...

Because this isn't about Trump. She's being asked by local constituents and the press about it, and there are some people on the left who want to support her but are concerned she exploited a system at the expense of minorities to advance her career.

having read the newspaper article your description of its position is grossly inaccurate

http://www.berkshireeagle.com/stories/on-meet-the-press-elizabeth-warren-grilled-with-questions-raised-by-berkshire-eagle-editorial,534378

Were she to test positive for Native American DNA, it would permanently resolve the issue while possibly shutting down President Trump.

Should the test come up negative, it would be an opportunity for the senator to perform an act rarely seen among politicians: an admission of her error and a full-throated apology to Native American tribes and anyone else offended by her spurious claim. By facing the truth and taking responsibility for it, she would disarm her enemies and show potential voters that she was human and capable of mistakes, just like them. Handled properly, it could become a testimonial to her integrity and truthfulness at a time when that quality is in short supply among the nation's leadership.

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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Caution999 posted...

How dare he want to get back to what this topic was originally about to begin with!!!!

So topics don't evolve? Why did he even make the point anyways then if he wasn't willing stay on it?

OFF TOPIC POSTING

REPORTED
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Darkman124 posted...

translation: "Shit, you know something about finance and i have no other arguments to make!"

Jeez full of yourself much?

His point wasn't that he has no argument, his point was that his retirement isn't going to be effected by those taxes but his paycheck is
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Who?

Uncle Choad posted...

Seeing as none of my retirement accounts are subject to income taxes when I withdraw, I'm not too worried about any of the points you made.

It's more "this is what is going to happen (probably not, but people who don't like Trump like to read this), so be mad about it".

I sincerely doubt that you exclusively have ROTH retirement accounts; if you do, I think you are making a significant mistake in your long-term financial planning. Tax deferment is a valuable strategy in retirement planning and constitutes a comparable benefit to that of the ROTH for anyone in a marginal income tax bracket above 25%.
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shut the fuck up crimsonrage
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Point is: Eventually everyone dropped the birther bull crap. The conspiracy nuts are gonna believe whatever they want to believe. It doesn't mean we shouldn't demand a test because conspiracy theorists exist.

Right now there is no proof that she is Native American.
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CrimsonRage posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Metro2 posted...

Also, who cares what her heritage is? As long as she fights for the American people, I like her.

Because she exploited the Affirmative Action policies of Harvard to get hired. She stole a slot from a minority that was entitled to that position.

let's be honest, if she were conservative, you'd probably be applauding her for gaming the system and use it as prove why Affirmative Action is flawed and should be done away with.

conservatives acting like they care about how she "stole a position from a minority" is such a transparent lie.

Not sure what kind of argument this is. If she were conservative, you'd be furious that she exploited the AA system also. Your position is different on this issue not because of your principles, but because of your political affiliation.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Jeez full of yourself much?

His point wasn't that he has no argument, his point was that his retirement isn't going to be effected by those taxes but his paycheck is

when someone opens a discussion about economics, and resorts to blind optimism when their arguments are demonstrated to not hold water, they deserve gratuitous mockery.

and unless he's saving at an extremely aggressive rate, or is quite old, he won't be retiring before the cuts expire and his taxes go up to a higher point than they were previously.
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Darkman124 posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Seeing as none of my retirement accounts are subject to income taxes when I withdraw, I'm not too worried about any of the points you made.

It's more "this is what is going to happen (probably not, but people who don't like Trump like to read this), so be mad about it".

I sincerely doubt that you exclusively have ROTH retirement accounts; if you do, I think you are making a significant mistake in your long-term financial planning. Tax deferment is a valuable strategy in retirement planning and constitutes a comparable benefit to that of the ROTH for anyone in a marginal income tax bracket above 25%.

So the score is now like 13-10 on people who have told me what is good for me vs. what is bad for me. I'll add you to the data, but I'm still going to listen to the pros!
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Fuck I'll pay for the DNA test.

What does she have to lose other than be called out for lying and looking like a fool.
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Caution999 posted...

Point is: Eventually everyone dropped the birther bull crap. The conspiracy nuts are gonna believe whatever they want to believe. It doesn't mean we shouldn't demand a test because conspiracy theorists exist.

Lmao no. The claim was Trump dropped the birther stuff when Obama released his long form certificate. He brazenly did NOT do that, and questioned the legitimacy of the document. The extrapolation and reason it was brought up was because even if Warren did take a test and it confirmed he claims, both Trump and his supporters(and lets be honest, yourself included) would question the results. Because they already have the narrative in their mind on what happened because they WANT to believe it to be true, facts be damned.

Not to mention a person doesn't have to prove their ancestry because people are "demanding" it. Fuck that
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Caution999 posted...

Point is: Eventually everyone dropped the birther bull crap. The conspiracy nuts are gonna believe whatever they want to believe. It doesn't mean we shouldn't demand a test because conspiracy theorists exist.

Lmao no. The claim was Trump dropped the birther stuff when Obama released his long form certificate. He brazenly did NOT do that, and questioned the legitimacy of the document. The extrapolation and reason it was brought up was because even if Warren did take a test and it confirmed he claims, both Trump and his supporters(and lets be honest, yourself included) would question the results. Because they already have the narrative in their mind on what happened because they WANT to believe it to be true, facts be damned.

Not to mention a person doesn't have to prove their ancestry because people are "demanding" it. Fuck that

Again, Trump was not the one asking her to take the test.
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Its not like these people would be convinced by the results of a genetic test.

Tolerance is one thing but seriously who the fuck cares about this. Theres a reason you only hear calls for this from some far right fundies facebook page.
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divot1338 posted...

Its not like these people would be convinced by the results of a genetic test.

Tolerance is one thing but seriously who the fuck cares about this. Theres a reason you only hear calls for this from some far right fundies facebook page.

Try reading the OP please.
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The Admiral posted...

Again, Trump was not the one asking her to take the test.

Good thing I never made the claim he was and I was referencing Caution and people ITT demanding such a test

Keep swinging though, eventually you'll make contact with the ball
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HypnoCoosh posted...

What does she have to lose

Are you willing to send your DNA to a testing place to have it analyzed or do you have concerns about abuse and misuse?
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She has to prove it if she financially benefited from lying and using the system to her advantage.
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Caution999 posted...

She has to prove it if she financially benefited from lying and using the system to her advantage.

No, she actually doesn't have to do that, despite your wishes. Because we all know you wouldn't believe the results that don't confirm your narrative.
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Goofy Elizabeth Warren
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