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Caution999 03/12/18 10:57:41 AM #201:	You don't know me. You group me in with the deplorables and assume that everyone who supports Trump is a racist bigot. Just say it. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897649170] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote>You don't know me. You group me in with the deplorables and assume that everyone who supports Trump is a racist bigot. Just say it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 03/12/18 10:57:50 AM #202:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... HypnoCoosh posted... What does she have to lose do you have concerns about abuse and misuse? No because I don't wear a tinfoil hat and live in reality. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:897649180] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote> What does she have to lose</quote> do you have concerns about abuse and misuse?</quote> No because I don't wear a tinfoil hat and live in reality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 03/12/18 10:57:57 AM #203:	Uncle Choad posted... So the score is now like 13-10 on people who have told me what is good for me vs. what is bad for me. I'll add you to the data, but I'm still going to listen to the pros! Fundamentally, a ROTH IRA lets you avoid a 15% tax, at the cost of paying all other taxes. If you and your partner together withdraw 88600 from your 401ks in one year, you'd pay a net federal income tax of approximately 10853 on it (10% and 15% marginal rates). That is a 12.2% tax, and that's using the assumption that Trump's standard deduction change expires and you do not itemize or take any other deductions. If your contributions would've been taxed at 28%, that's a 15.8% benefit, nearly the same as the ROTH benefit--slightly higher in fact, but without having to wait until retirement to see it, which means maxing out the portfolio contribution is easier, and leaving you with additional funds available to invest in a CMA, house, or other investment with an opportunity cost. ROTH is ideal for supplementing additional living costs that would otherwise be subject to 25%+ taxes when drawn from a 401k. It should be a part of everyone's portfolio and is a great system, but it shouldn't be 100% of your retirement portfolio. I neglect state income taxes from this calculation as they're a wash for each: what you avoid via ROTH is paid upfront, and what you pay in 401k is avoided upfront, so the only real difference is opportunity cost of paying now vs later. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:897649184] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>So the score is now like 13-10 on people who have told me what is good for me vs. what is bad for me. I'll add you to the data, but I'm still going to listen to the pros! </quote> Fundamentally, a ROTH IRA lets you avoid a 15% tax, at the cost of paying all other taxes. If you and your partner together withdraw 88600 from your 401ks in one year, you'd pay a net federal income tax of approximately 10853 on it (10% and 15% marginal rates). That is a 12.2% tax, and that's using the assumption that Trump's standard deduction change expires and you do not itemize or take any other deductions. If your contributions would've been taxed at 28%, that's a 15.8% benefit, nearly the same as the ROTH benefit--slightly higher in fact, but without having to wait until retirement to see it, which means maxing out the portfolio contribution is easier, and leaving you with additional funds available to invest in a CMA, house, or other investment with an opportunity cost. ROTH is ideal for supplementing additional living costs that would otherwise be subject to 25%+ taxes when drawn from a 401k. It should be a part of everyone's portfolio and is a great system, but it shouldn't be 100% of your retirement portfolio. I neglect state income taxes from this calculation as they're a wash for each: what you avoid via ROTH is paid upfront, and what you pay in 401k is avoided upfront, so the only real difference is opportunity cost of paying now vs later.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/12/18 10:58:33 AM #204:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Caution999 posted... She has to prove it if she financially benefited from lying and using the system to her advantage. No, she actually doesn't have to do that, despite your wishes. Because we all know you wouldn't believe the results that don't confirm your narrative. She doesn't HAVE to prove anything, but a person with principals both should and would do so if they actually benefited from any claim and were being questioned. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897649212] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>She has to prove it if she financially benefited from lying and using the system to her advantage.</quote> No, she actually doesn't have to do that, despite your wishes. Because we all know you wouldn't believe the results that don't confirm your narrative.</quote> She doesn't HAVE to prove anything, but a person with principals both should and would do so if they actually benefited from any claim and were being questioned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 03/12/18 10:59:01 AM #205:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Caution999 posted... She has to prove it if she financially benefited from lying and using the system to her advantage. No, she actually doesn't have to do that, despite your wishes. Because we all know you wouldn't believe the results that don't confirm your narrative. A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:897649236] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>She has to prove it if she financially benefited from lying and using the system to her advantage.</quote> No, she actually doesn't have to do that, despite your wishes. Because we all know you wouldn't believe the results that don't confirm your narrative.</quote> A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 03/12/18 11:00:10 AM #206:	Dustin1280 posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Caution999 posted... She has to prove it if she financially benefited from lying and using the system to her advantage. No, she actually doesn't have to do that, despite your wishes. Because we all know you wouldn't believe the results that don't confirm your narrative. She doesn't HAVE to prove anything, but a person with principals both should and would do so if they actually benefited from any claim and were being questioned. Especially if she plans on running for President or Vice President...or whatever. I know I'm gonna get the "but Trump's taxes!!!" reply, but it was proven, obviously, that issue didn't really matter since he won the election. If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken. "but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897649280] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>She has to prove it if she financially benefited from lying and using the system to her advantage.</quote> No, she actually doesn't have to do that, despite your wishes. Because we all know you wouldn't believe the results that don't confirm your narrative.</quote> She doesn't HAVE to prove anything, but a person with principals both should and would do so if they actually benefited from any claim and were being questioned.</quote> Especially if she plans on running for President or Vice President...or whatever. I know I'm gonna get the "but Trump's taxes!!!" reply, but it was proven, obviously, that issue didn't really matter since he won the election. If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken. "but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 03/12/18 11:02:08 AM #207:	on topic: as a liberal, I think Warren should take the test for all of the reasons outlined in that article Darkman posted a page or so back --- Playing: Shadow of the Colossus (PS4), Owlboy (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:897649350] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote>on topic: as a liberal, I think Warren should take the test for all of the reasons outlined in that article Darkman posted a page or so back</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 03/12/18 11:02:33 AM #208:	Darkman124 posted... Uncle Choad posted... So the score is now like 13-10 on people who have told me what is good for me vs. what is bad for me. I'll add you to the data, but I'm still going to listen to the pros! Fundamentally, a ROTH IRA lets you avoid a 15% tax, at the cost of paying all other taxes. If you and your partner together withdraw the maximum allowable from your 401k for a married couple, which is 75,900, you'd pay a net tax of approximately 13.7% on it (10% and 15% marginal rates). If your contributions would've been taxed at 28%, that's a 14.3% benefit, nearly the same as the ROTH benefit, but without having to wait until retirement to see it, which means maxing out the portfolio contribution is easier, and leaving you with additional funds available to invest in a CMA, house, or other investment with an opportunity cost. ROTH is ideal for supplementing additional living costs that would otherwise be subject to 25%+ taxes when drawn from a 401k. I'm going to completely change what I was doing with my life because of this. Thanks! So ROTH is bad, and tax reforms are bad traditional. Nobody wins ever I guess. :( --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:897649364] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>So the score is now like 13-10 on people who have told me what is good for me vs. what is bad for me. I'll add you to the data, but I'm still going to listen to the pros! </quote> Fundamentally, a ROTH IRA lets you avoid a 15% tax, at the cost of paying all other taxes. If you and your partner together withdraw the maximum allowable from your 401k for a married couple, which is 75,900, you'd pay a net tax of approximately 13.7% on it (10% and 15% marginal rates). If your contributions would've been taxed at 28%, that's a 14.3% benefit, nearly the same as the ROTH benefit, but without having to wait until retirement to see it, which means maxing out the portfolio contribution is easier, and leaving you with additional funds available to invest in a CMA, house, or other investment with an opportunity cost. ROTH is ideal for supplementing additional living costs that would otherwise be subject to 25%+ taxes when drawn from a 401k.</quote> I'm going to completely change what I was doing with my life because of this. Thanks! So ROTH is bad, and tax reforms are bad traditional. Nobody wins ever I guess. :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 03/12/18 11:02:34 AM #209:	Caution999 posted... "but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:897649365] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>"but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply</quote> Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 03/12/18 11:02:36 AM #210:	Giant_Aspirin posted... on topic: as a liberal, I think Warren should take the test. Sure she could just dismiss all the BS then. Assuming she's not lying that is./ --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:897649369] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>on topic: as a liberal, I think Warren should take the test.</quote> Sure she could just dismiss all the BS then. Assuming she's not lying that is./</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 03/12/18 11:02:56 AM #211:	Giant_Aspirin posted... on topic: as a liberal, I think Warren should take the test for all of the reasons outlined in that article Darkman posted a page or so back Imagine labeling yourself --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:897649384] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>on topic: as a liberal, I think Warren should take the test for all of the reasons outlined in that article Darkman posted a page or so back</quote> Imagine labeling yourself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 03/12/18 11:02:58 AM #212:	Caution999 posted... If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken. I mean she already did and will likely do so again --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:897649385] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote> If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken.</quote> I mean she already did and will likely do so again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 03/12/18 11:03:12 AM #213:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Caution999 posted... "but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it. One state, full of illegal voters, doesn't get to decide the election. Sorry, Californians. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897649392] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>"but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply</quote> Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it.</quote> One state, full of illegal voters, doesn't get to decide the election. Sorry, Californians.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 03/12/18 11:03:37 AM #214:	Doom_Art posted... Caution999 posted... If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken. I mean she already did and will likely do so again "but muh goal post" I'll just move that for you 999, "if she can win the Presidency . . ." --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:897649411] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote> If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken.</quote> I mean she already did and will likely do so again</quote> "but muh goal post" I'll just move that for you 999, "if she can win the Presidency . . ."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 03/12/18 11:03:40 AM #215:	The Admiral posted... A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage. Obviously white, eh? I mean... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:897649413] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage.</quote> Obviously white, eh? I mean... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 03/12/18 11:03:59 AM #216:	Caution999 posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Caution999 posted... "but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it. One state, full of illegal voters, doesn't get to decide the election. Sorry, Californians. HAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHA --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:897649431] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>"but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply</quote> Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it.</quote> One state, full of illegal voters, doesn't get to decide the election. Sorry, Californians.</quote> HAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHA</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 03/12/18 11:04:18 AM #217:	Uncle Choad posted... I'm going to completely change what I was doing with my life because of this. Thanks! So ROTH is bad, and tax reforms are bad traditional. Nobody wins ever I guess. :( edited the original post for a bit more clarity and inclusion of standard deduction in the math, please revisit ROTH is not bad. it's just outperformed by the traditional pretax for those in the 28%+ income bracket, and works best as supplemental income if you expect to spend more per year than ~45k per person. if you are in this bracket, i strongly recommend initiating some pretax retirement account contributions. they will be a net gain for you both now and later. the ROTH is still useful and will be a boon as well. the trump tax reforms will hurt you in retirement if you were expecting to itemize. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:897649444] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> I'm going to completely change what I was doing with my life because of this. Thanks! So ROTH is bad, and tax reforms are bad traditional. Nobody wins ever I guess. :( </quote> edited the original post for a bit more clarity and inclusion of standard deduction in the math, please revisit ROTH is not bad. it's just outperformed by the traditional pretax for those in the 28%+ income bracket, and works best as supplemental income if you expect to spend more per year than ~45k per person. if you are in this bracket, i strongly recommend initiating some pretax retirement account contributions. they will be a net gain for you both now and later. the ROTH is still useful and will be a boon as well. the trump tax reforms will hurt you in retirement if you were expecting to itemize.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 03/12/18 11:04:20 AM #218:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Caution999 posted... "but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it. All the popular vote indicates is that there are more losers than winners. LOSERS! --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:897649447] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>"but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply</quote> Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it.</quote> All the popular vote indicates is that there are more losers than winners. LOSERS!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 03/12/18 11:05:51 AM #219:	Doom_Art posted... Caution999 posted... If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken. I mean she already did and will likely do so again Specifically, I mean Pres/VP - a higher position than she has currently. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897649503] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote> If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken.</quote> I mean she already did and will likely do so again</quote> Specifically, I mean Pres/VP - a higher position than she has currently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 03/12/18 11:06:03 AM #220:	Caution999 posted... You don't know me. You group me in with the deplorables and assume that everyone who supports Trump is a racist bigot. Just say it. Nah, I think you're a bit of a reactionary person with quite a big victim complex who feels the need to defend things, and specifically Trump, because as you said "People are too mean and unfair to him". But I don't think you're a racist bigot at all, you just assume people who dislike Trump view all their supporters the same. Caution999 posted... Especially if she plans on running for President or Vice President...or whatever. I know I'm gonna get the "but Trump's taxes!!!" reply, but it was proven, obviously, that issue didn't really matter since he won the election. If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken. "but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply 1. Didn't she openly say recently she wasn't going to run? Granted it's early and much like Hillary, you won't believe anything she says because of your own bias, but still. 2. The tax thing has nothing to do with this, that was more Trump breaking protocol and the norm. 3. You should stop projecting --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:897649512] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>You don't know me. You group me in with the deplorables and assume that everyone who supports Trump is a racist bigot. Just say it.</quote> Nah, I think you're a bit of a reactionary person with quite a big victim complex who feels the need to defend things, and specifically Trump, because as you said "People are too mean and unfair to him". But I don't think you're a racist bigot at all, you just assume people who dislike Trump view all their supporters the same. <cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Especially if she plans on running for President or Vice President...or whatever. I know I'm gonna get the "but Trump's taxes!!!" reply, but it was proven, obviously, that issue didn't really matter since he won the election. If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken. "but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply </quote> 1. Didn't she openly say recently she wasn't going to run? Granted it's early and much like Hillary, you won't believe anything she says because of your own bias, but still. 2. The tax thing has nothing to do with this, that was more Trump breaking protocol and the norm. 3. You should stop projecting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 03/12/18 11:06:45 AM #221:	CableZL posted... The Admiral posted... A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage. Obviously white, eh? I mean... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. NBC did when they made George Zimmerman a white guy though. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897649546] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage.</quote> Obviously white, eh? I mean... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them.</quote> NBC did when they made George Zimmerman a white guy though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 03/12/18 11:07:14 AM #222:	Caution999 posted... NBC did when they made George Zimmerman a white guy though. I don't agree with that, either. Point still stands. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:897649566] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>NBC did when they made George Zimmerman a white guy though. </quote> I don't agree with that, either. Point still stands.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 03/12/18 11:07:34 AM #223:	Caution999 posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Caution999 posted... "but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it. One state, full of illegal voters, doesn't get to decide the election. Sorry, Californians. Lmao another "fact" you believe with absolutely no evidence only because it confirms the narrative you want to believe. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:897649583] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>"but the popular vote...!" - anticipated reply</quote> Anticipating it (because it's true and a valid retort) doesn't negate the legitimacy of it.</quote> One state, full of illegal voters, doesn't get to decide the election. Sorry, Californians.</quote> Lmao another "fact" you believe with absolutely no evidence only because it confirms the narrative you want to believe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 03/12/18 11:08:12 AM #224:	Caution999 posted... Doom_Art posted... Caution999 posted... If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken. I mean she already did and will likely do so again Specifically, I mean Pres/VP - a higher position than she has currently. Mexican sports commentator voice GOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALPOSTS --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:897649612] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote> If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. The people will have spoken.</quote> I mean she already did and will likely do so again</quote> Specifically, I mean Pres/VP - a higher position than she has currently.</quote> Mexican sports commentator voice GOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALPOSTS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Caution999 03/12/18 11:09:05 AM #226:	The Great Muta to me: "You should stop projecting" The Great Muta 22 posted... Caution999 posted... Point is: Eventually everyone dropped the birther bull crap. The conspiracy nuts are gonna believe whatever they want to believe. It doesn't mean we shouldn't demand a test because conspiracy theorists exist. Lmao no. The claim was Trump dropped the birther stuff when Obama released his long form certificate. He brazenly did NOT do that, and questioned the legitimacy of the document. The extrapolation and reason it was brought up was because even if Warren did take a test and it confirmed he claims, both Trump and his supporters(and lets be honest, yourself included) would question the results. Because they already have the narrative in their mind on what happened because they WANT to believe it to be true, facts be damned. Not to mention a person doesn't have to prove their ancestry because people are "demanding" it. Fuck that --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897649649] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote>The Great Muta to me: "You should stop projecting" <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Point is: Eventually everyone dropped the birther bull crap. The conspiracy nuts are gonna believe whatever they want to believe. It doesn't mean we shouldn't demand a test because conspiracy theorists exist. </quote> Lmao no. The claim was Trump dropped the birther stuff when Obama released his long form certificate. He brazenly did NOT do that, and questioned the legitimacy of the document. The extrapolation and reason it was brought up was because even if Warren did take a test and it confirmed he claims, both Trump and his supporters(and lets be honest, yourself included) would question the results. Because they already have the narrative in their mind on what happened because they WANT to believe it to be true, facts be damned. Not to mention a person doesn't have to prove their ancestry because people are "demanding" it. Fuck that</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 03/12/18 11:09:15 AM #227:	Elizabeth Warren is white 100% --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:897649659] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote>Elizabeth Warren is white 100%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 03/12/18 11:09:41 AM #228:	KingCrabCake posted... Elizabeth Warren is white 100% Source? --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:897649687] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Elizabeth Warren is white 100%</quote> Source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 03/12/18 11:09:54 AM #229:	CableZL posted... The Admiral posted... A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage. Obviously white, eh? I mean... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. I didn't say that you could tell from appearance if she had any amount of Native heritage. But from a societal point of view -- which is what's relevant to "white privilege" -- Warren is clearly white and does face any disadvantages related to being a minority. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:897649695] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage.</quote> Obviously white, eh? I mean... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them.</quote> I didn't say that you could tell from appearance if she had any amount of Native heritage. But from a societal point of view -- which is what's relevant to "white privilege" -- Warren is clearly white and does face any disadvantages related to being a minority.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 03/12/18 11:12:36 AM #230:	Caution999 posted... The Great Muta to me: "You should stop projecting" I believe Trump wouldn't buy it because his past actions regarding Obama's birth certificate show he doesn't care about facts. I believe his fans wouldn't buy it because there's still plenty out there to this day that think Obama was a foreigner. And I believe you wouldn't buy it because you suck up just about anything Trump says or does simply because you feel others are "too mean and unfair to him", your words. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:897649813] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>The Great Muta to me: "You should stop projecting" </quote> I believe Trump wouldn't buy it because his past actions regarding Obama's birth certificate show he doesn't care about facts. I believe his fans wouldn't buy it because there's still plenty out there to this day that think Obama was a foreigner. And I believe you wouldn't buy it because you suck up just about anything Trump says or does simply because you feel others are "too mean and unfair to him", your words.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 03/12/18 11:14:01 AM #231:	CableZL posted... KingCrabCake posted... Elizabeth Warren is white 100% Source? Look at her. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:897649892] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Elizabeth Warren is white 100%</quote> Source?</quote> Look at her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 03/12/18 11:14:05 AM #232:	I'm probably more Black than Elizabeth Warren is Native American. Fuck, I could've put that down on my college applications? <3 23AndMe <3 --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:897649894] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote>I'm probably more Black than Elizabeth Warren is Native American. Fuck, I could've put that down on my college applications? <3 23AndMe <3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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divot1338 03/12/18 11:14:35 AM #234:	The Admiral posted... divot1338 posted... Its not like these people would be convinced by the results of a genetic test. Tolerance is one thing but seriously who the fuck cares about this. Theres a reason you only hear calls for this from some far right fundies facebook page. Try reading the OP please. The Admiral posted... A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage. --- Moustache twirling villian https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:897649914] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>divot1338 posted...</cite> <quote>Its not like these people would be convinced by the results of a genetic test. Tolerance is one thing but seriously who the fuck cares about this. Theres a reason you only hear calls for this from some far right fundies facebook page.</quote> Try reading the OP please.</quote> <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite><quote>A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 03/12/18 11:15:16 AM #235:	lmao, if she had DNA proof, what am I gonna do? If I didn't believe it at that stage, I would then become a conspiracy theorist since I'm questioning the facts. I suppose she could pull an American Dad (or was it Family Guy?) and swap spit with some Native American prior to taking the test. :P I'd believe what was reported. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897649942] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote>lmao, if she had DNA proof, what am I gonna do? If I didn't believe it at that stage, I would then become a conspiracy theorist since I'm questioning the facts. I suppose she could pull an American Dad (or was it Family Guy?) and swap spit with some Native American prior to taking the test. :P I'd believe what was reported.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 03/12/18 11:15:59 AM #236:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Funny shit is, Addy is already laying the ground work for how her proving it would be irrelevant anyways, "well she doesn't look native so she didn't need to benefits anyways." --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:897649984] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> Funny shit is, Addy is already laying the ground work for how her proving it would be irrelevant anyways, "well she doesn't look native so she didn't need to benefits anyways."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 03/12/18 11:17:13 AM #237:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Funny shit is, Addy is already laying the ground work for how her proving it would be irrelevant anyways, "well she doesn't look native so she didn't need to benefits anyways." There is a pretty big difference. Using Native status to help her career if she is native = ethnically questionable Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:897650045] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> Funny shit is, Addy is already laying the ground work for how her proving it would be irrelevant anyways, "well she doesn't look native so she didn't need to benefits anyways."</quote> There is a pretty big difference. Using Native status to help her career if she is native = ethnically questionable Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 03/12/18 11:17:35 AM #238:	Uncle Choad posted... Look at her. CableZL posted... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:897650064] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>Look at her. </quote> <cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote>I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 03/12/18 11:18:02 AM #239:	The Admiral posted... Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent you never did answer my question as to what should happen if she committed fraud 20 years ago --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:897650081] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent </quote> you never did answer my question as to what should happen if she committed fraud 20 years ago</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 03/12/18 11:19:23 AM #240:	CableZL posted... Uncle Choad posted... Look at her. CableZL posted... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. She's whiter than milk. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:897650151] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>Look at her. </quote> <cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote>I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. </quote></quote> She's whiter than milk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/12/18 11:19:37 AM #241:	Darkman124 posted... The Admiral posted... Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent you never did answer my question as to what should happen if she committed fraud 20 years ago Continue calling her out on her repeated lying. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897650170] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent </quote> you never did answer my question as to what should happen if she committed fraud 20 years ago</quote> Continue calling her out on her repeated lying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 03/12/18 11:20:18 AM #242:	Darkman124 posted... The Admiral posted... Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent you never did answer my question as to what should happen if she committed fraud 20 years ago From a legal point of view, probably nothing. I don't think there is any way she can be penalized for that at this point. But from a political point of view, you could certainly argue that someone who committed fraud is unfit for office and should be voted out (or not promoted to a higher office). --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:897650212] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent </quote> you never did answer my question as to what should happen if she committed fraud 20 years ago</quote> From a legal point of view, probably nothing. I don't think there is any way she can be penalized for that at this point. But from a political point of view, you could certainly argue that someone who committed fraud is unfit for office and should be voted out (or not promoted to a higher office).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 03/12/18 11:20:36 AM #243:	CrimsonRage posted... you're treating Uncle Choad with a mature respectfulness that he has proven by now he doesn't deserve. i honestly wouldn't waste my time. he's either a troll at best or an immature selfish jerk at worst. I've just figured out everything fairly early in life. You don't have to be upset. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:897650221] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote> you're treating Uncle Choad with a mature respectfulness that he has proven by now he doesn't deserve. i honestly wouldn't waste my time. he's either a troll at best or an immature selfish jerk at worst.</quote> I've just figured out everything fairly early in life. You don't have to be upset.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/12/18 11:21:23 AM #244:	Caution999 posted... CableZL posted... The Admiral posted... A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage. Obviously white, eh? I mean... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. NBC did when they made George Zimmerman a white guy though. People STILL call him white, despite being exactly as white as President Obama. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897650256] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of mind reading from you in this topic. Can't speak for Caution, but I would believe the results. I'd still question the ethnics of why an obviously white woman who never faced any hardship due to being Native American would exploit a system intended to help those people, but that's far less egregious than completely fabricating her ethnicity to gain an undeserved advantage.</quote> Obviously white, eh? I mean... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them.</quote> NBC did when they made George Zimmerman a white guy though.</quote> People STILL call him white, despite being exactly as white as President Obama.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 03/12/18 11:21:35 AM #245:	Uncle Choad posted... CableZL posted... Uncle Choad posted... Look at her. CableZL posted... I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. She's whiter than milk. false --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:897650264] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>Look at her. </quote> <cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote>I think she should take the test, but I don't think one can determine whether someone does or doesn't have Native American heritage just by looking at them. </quote></quote> She's whiter than milk.</quote> false</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/12/18 11:21:41 AM #246:	Caution999 posted... lmao, if she had DNA proof, what am I gonna do? If I didn't believe it at that stage, I would then become a conspiracy theorist since I'm questioning the facts. I suppose she could pull an American Dad (or was it Family Guy?) and swap spit with some Native American prior to taking the test. :P I'd believe what was reported. It was South Park <cite>Zikten posted [p:897650271] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>lmao, if she had DNA proof, what am I gonna do? If I didn't believe it at that stage, I would then become a conspiracy theorist since I'm questioning the facts. I suppose she could pull an American Dad (or was it Family Guy?) and swap spit with some Native American prior to taking the test. :P I'd believe what was reported.</quote> It was South Park</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 03/12/18 11:22:03 AM #247:	The Admiral posted... But from a political point of view, you could certainly argue that someone who committed fraud . . . Like having a fraudulent real estate "college"? I just want to make sure we're using fraud the same way, because legally I believe someone has to be financially harmed, "defrauded" as it were. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:897650294] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote> But from a political point of view, you could certainly argue that someone who committed fraud . . .</quote> Like having a fraudulent real estate "college"? I just want to make sure we're using fraud the same way, because legally I believe someone has to be financially harmed, "defrauded" as it were.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 03/12/18 11:22:35 AM #248:	Darkman124 posted... The Admiral posted... Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent you never did answer my question as to what should happen if she committed fraud 20 years ago strip her of her wealth and power --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:897650315] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Using Native status to help her career if she is not native = fraudulent </quote> you never did answer my question as to what should happen if she committed fraud 20 years ago</quote> strip her of her wealth and power</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 03/12/18 11:22:48 AM #249:	CrimsonRage posted... Caution999 posted... If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up. if i had been drinking something, you would have owed me a new keyboard. Post #206 was pretty obvious as to what I meant. I specifically mentioned President/VP to begin the post. Stop trying to "win" on lame technicalities. You guys know what I meant. You all know what I meant. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897650329] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>If she can win an election without proving it, then I'll shut up.</quote> if i had been drinking something, you would have owed me a new keyboard.</quote> Post #206 was pretty obvious as to what I meant. I specifically mentioned President/VP to begin the post. Stop trying to "win" on lame technicalities. You guys know what I meant. You all know what I meant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 03/12/18 11:23:52 AM #250:	The Admiral posted... But from a political point of view, you could certainly argue that someone who committed fraud is unfit for office and should be voted out (or not promoted to a higher office). do you, specifically, think that? --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:897650383] in Elizabeth ... [t:76406584]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>But from a political point of view, you could certainly argue that someone who committed fraud is unfit for office and should be voted out (or not promoted to a higher office). </quote> do you, specifically, think that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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