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Balrog0 02/27/18 2:11:50 PM #51:	re: Swimming Pools there are regulations dealing with swimming pools in every state Pools often require posted signage and fences of a certain height with certain locking mechanisms these do not always apply to residential pools, but maybe they should! --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896870801] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>re: Swimming Pools there are regulations dealing with swimming pools in every state Pools often require posted signage and fences of a certain height with certain locking mechanisms these do not always apply to residential pools, but maybe they should!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/27/18 2:12:11 PM #52:	_OujiDoza_ posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... Florida has decided to "give schools more guns" You say this as if it were a crazy idea, and yet almost every mass shooting in the past 30 years has been in a gun-free zone. Welp, ya got me, there....I guess you and the guns win. As always. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896870828] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote>Florida has decided to "give schools more guns"</quote> You say this as if it were a crazy idea, and yet almost every mass shooting in the past 30 years has been in a gun-free zone.</quote> Welp, ya got me, there....I guess you and the guns win.</quote> As always.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/27/18 2:12:46 PM #53:	Balrog0 posted... re: Swimming Pools there are regulations dealing with swimming pools in every state And yet they take more lives than mass shootings do. Ban them. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896870858] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>re: Swimming Pools there are regulations dealing with swimming pools in every state</quote> And yet they take more lives than mass shootings do. Ban them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/27/18 2:13:08 PM #54:	Sephiroth1288 posted... And yet they take more lives than mass shootings do. Ban them. there are regulations about guns in every state, too! --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896870880] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>And yet they take more lives than mass shootings do. Ban them.</quote> there are regulations about guns in every state, too!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mcpwnia 02/27/18 2:17:52 PM #56:	This is some of the worst trolling I've ever seen Mal do. --- http://i.minus.com/ieu2wE.gif http://i.imgur.com/gKHH1EP.gif http://i.imgur.com/gwbShnd.gif <cite>mcpwnia posted [p:896871160] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>This is some of the worst trolling I've ever seen Mal do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 02/27/18 2:19:02 PM #57:	The23rdMagus posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... The23rdMagus posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Death is death, bro. Ban swimming pools. So the answer is yes, you are comparing accidents to murder. Could've just said so. Wait, you actually agree with banning swimming pools? Dude... Where did you read that into it? I asked a direct question and got an indirect answer. Hes not comparing accidents to murder, hes comparing a death to another death and the tool involved that caused the incident. Why not ban the tools and objects that leads to so many deaths? I mean a swimmg pool is way more dangerous to kids statistically than a gun will ever be. Does it really matter whether its a accident or murder when the sheer number of deaths in regards to the object is so high? --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:896871224] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Death is death, bro. Ban swimming pools.</quote> So the answer is yes, you are comparing accidents to murder. Could've just said so.</quote> Wait, you actually agree with banning swimming pools? Dude...</quote> Where did you read that into it? I asked a direct question and got an indirect answer.</quote> Hes not comparing accidents to murder, hes comparing a death to another death and the tool involved that caused the incident. Why not ban the tools and objects that leads to so many deaths? I mean a swimmg pool is way more dangerous to kids statistically than a gun will ever be. Does it really matter whether its a accident or murder when the sheer number of deaths in regards to the object is so high?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DragonGirlYuki 02/27/18 2:20:38 PM #59:	Might as well ban cars. If people are going to kill each other while driving drunk might as well blame the tool right? --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:896871312] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>Might as well ban cars. If people are going to kill each other while driving drunk might as well blame the tool right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 2:20:50 PM #60:	mcpwnia posted... This is some of the worst trolling I've ever seen Mal do. it's like he thinks by presenting his ideas to the opposition in the most abrasive way humanly possible, he might get through to a couple of them and sway some opinions towards his side --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896871321] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>mcpwnia posted...</cite> <quote>This is some of the worst trolling I've ever seen Mal do.</quote> it's like he thinks by presenting his ideas to the opposition in the most abrasive way humanly possible, he might get through to a couple of them and sway some opinions towards his side</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezDroppedFreak 02/27/18 2:21:27 PM #61:	Sephiroth1288 posted... The23rdMagus posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Death is death, bro. Ban swimming pools. So the answer is yes, you are comparing accidents to murder. Could've just said so. Wait, you actually agree with banning swimming pools? Dude... You're just straight up trolling at this point. You and proudclad are pedaling a false equivalency with dumbass statements and got called out for it. Literally all he said --- DezCaughtIt AKA freakofnature30 Brockhampton makes me *saturate* <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:896871352] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Death is death, bro. Ban swimming pools.</quote> So the answer is yes, you are comparing accidents to murder. Could've just said so.</quote> Wait, you actually agree with banning swimming pools? Dude...</quote> You're just straight up trolling at this point. You and proudclad are pedaling a false equivalency with dumbass statements and got called out for it. Literally all he said</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/27/18 2:22:33 PM #62:	As a safety consultant who has done many accident/incident reports, there's some shit root cause analysis going down in this topic. Also this topic is now apparently about pools. straps on snorkel --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:896871423] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>As a safety consultant who has done many accident/incident reports, there's some shit root cause analysis going down in this topic. Also this topic is now apparently about pools. straps on snorkel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mew4ever 02/27/18 2:25:02 PM #63:	comparing drowning to shootings is completely moronic. If your kid drowns, there's some accountability on you. Probably should have taught them how to swim or been watching them. Under no circumstances should I have to worry about the safety of children at school. They should be among the safest places in any and every community. --- http://tinyurl.com/qg6jcsu New York Mets 2015 NL Champions. New York Jets: 5-11 <cite>mew4ever posted [p:896871575] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>comparing drowning to shootings is completely moronic. If your kid drowns, there's some accountability on you. Probably should have taught them how to swim or been watching them. Under no circumstances should I have to worry about the safety of children at school. They should be among the safest places in any and every community.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 02/27/18 2:25:17 PM #64:	Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange <cite>Axiom posted [p:896871589] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MisterPengy 02/27/18 2:27:00 PM #65:	@Giant_Aspirin MisterPengy posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... i dont see what's hard about putting metal detectors at the entrances What do you think that would solve? If a kid is willing to bring guns and kill people, he's either going to sneak in, or show up late and just shoot their way through. --- Bosses are immune to the eat command so it won't be possible to end the final boss fight of the game by eating it. -VeghEsther <cite>MisterPengy posted [p:896871693] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>@Giant_Aspirin <cite>MisterPengy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>i dont see what's hard about putting metal detectors at the entrances</quote> What do you think that would solve? If a kid is willing to bring guns and kill people, he's either going to sneak in, or show up late and just shoot their way through.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 02/27/18 2:27:37 PM #66:	Axiom posted... Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:896871731] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange</quote> Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 2:32:21 PM #67:	MisterPengy posted... Giant_Aspirin MisterPengy posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... i dont see what's hard about putting metal detectors at the entrances What do you think that would solve? If a kid is willing to bring guns and kill people, he's either going to sneak in, or show up late and just shoot their way through. can you say that with any certainty, though? we could lock the entrances after a certain time so anyone who shows up after hours would need to get buzzed in? sneaking in is an obvious problem and metal detectors are not effective if one can sneak around them. they should be installed in such a way that one cannot sneak around them, then. if someone does pull some Matrix style shit and attack the lobby of a school, you're right, metal detectors wouldn't do much for that situation. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896872004] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>MisterPengy posted...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin <cite>MisterPengy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>i dont see what's hard about putting metal detectors at the entrances</quote> What do you think that would solve? If a kid is willing to bring guns and kill people, he's either going to sneak in, or show up late and just shoot their way through.</quote></quote> can you say that with any certainty, though? we could lock the entrances after a certain time so anyone who shows up after hours would need to get buzzed in? sneaking in is an obvious problem and metal detectors are not effective if one can sneak around them. they should be installed in such a way that one cannot sneak around them, then. if someone does pull some Matrix style shit and attack the lobby of a school, you're right, metal detectors wouldn't do much for that situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/27/18 2:36:23 PM #68:	Giant_Aspirin posted... can you say that with any certainty, though? we could lock the entrances after a certain time so anyone who shows up after hours would need to get buzzed in? sneaking in is an obvious problem and metal detectors are not effective if one can sneak around them. they should be installed in such a way that one cannot sneak around them, then. if someone does pull some Matrix style shit and attack the lobby of a school, you're right, metal detectors wouldn't do much for that situation. I just don't think the built environment is suitable for this in like 99% of schools in this country, though. Lots of schools are open air -- the only schools I've attended have been this way. In elementary, the recess area abutted a public library and park, with only a chainlink fence between the two. The other side was a public access road. My high school didn't even have the chainlink fence. I can't imagine any reasonable way to make them more impenetrable without serious renovations --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896872280] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>can you say that with any certainty, though? we could lock the entrances after a certain time so anyone who shows up after hours would need to get buzzed in? sneaking in is an obvious problem and metal detectors are not effective if one can sneak around them. they should be installed in such a way that one cannot sneak around them, then. if someone does pull some Matrix style shit and attack the lobby of a school, you're right, metal detectors wouldn't do much for that situation.</quote> I just don't think the built environment is suitable for this in like 99% of schools in this country, though. Lots of schools are open air -- the only schools I've attended have been this way. In elementary, the recess area abutted a public library and park, with only a chainlink fence between the two. The other side was a public access road. My high school didn't even have the chainlink fence. I can't imagine any reasonable way to make them more impenetrable without serious renovations</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/27/18 2:48:04 PM #69:	I do think a reasonable solution for schools would be to increase the budget for them to reinforce their locking mechanisms if needed and to convert all locks, specifically class room and hallway doors if they are capable, to be able to be locked from the inside. As well as similar things such as buzzer systems and such. I'm sure plenty are but there's plenty of districts throughout the nation that are simply doing have the funding to take such measures, so stuff simply doesn't ever happen. But that'd require more federal spending and well....yeah --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:896873011] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>I do think a reasonable solution for schools would be to increase the budget for them to reinforce their locking mechanisms if needed and to convert all locks, specifically class room and hallway doors if they are capable, to be able to be locked from the inside. As well as similar things such as buzzer systems and such. I'm sure plenty are but there's plenty of districts throughout the nation that are simply doing have the funding to take such measures, so stuff simply doesn't ever happen. But that'd require more federal spending and well....yeah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 02/27/18 2:53:41 PM #70:	The Great Muta 22 posted... I do think a reasonable solution for schools would be to increase the budget for them to reinforce their locking mechanisms if needed and to convert all locks, specifically class room and hallway doors if they are capable, to be able to be locked from the inside. As well as similar things such as buzzer systems and such. I'm sure plenty are but there's plenty of districts throughout the nation that are simply doing have the funding to take such measures, so stuff simply doesn't ever happen. But that'd require more federal spending and well....yeah Didn't Cruz pull a fire alarm in order to get students into the hallway? I don't think the new locking mechanism would help then. If anything, it would turn the hallways into a shooting gallery. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:896873369] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>I do think a reasonable solution for schools would be to increase the budget for them to reinforce their locking mechanisms if needed and to convert all locks, specifically class room and hallway doors if they are capable, to be able to be locked from the inside. As well as similar things such as buzzer systems and such. I'm sure plenty are but there's plenty of districts throughout the nation that are simply doing have the funding to take such measures, so stuff simply doesn't ever happen. But that'd require more federal spending and well....yeah</quote> Didn't Cruz pull a fire alarm in order to get students into the hallway? I don't think the new locking mechanism would help then. If anything, it would turn the hallways into a shooting gallery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/27/18 3:01:22 PM #71:	Balrog0 posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... can you say that with any certainty, though? we could lock the entrances after a certain time so anyone who shows up after hours would need to get buzzed in? sneaking in is an obvious problem and metal detectors are not effective if one can sneak around them. they should be installed in such a way that one cannot sneak around them, then. if someone does pull some Matrix style shit and attack the lobby of a school, you're right, metal detectors wouldn't do much for that situation. I just don't think the built environment is suitable for this in like 99% of schools in this country, though. Lots of schools are open air -- the only schools I've attended have been this way. In elementary, the recess area abutted a public library and park, with only a chainlink fence between the two. The other side was a public access road. My high school didn't even have the chainlink fence. I can't imagine any reasonable way to make them more impenetrable without serious renovations fair points. to me, it seems the obvious way to stop guns from being used in schools is to stop guns from entering schools. of course that's easier said than done, but i'd prefer an approach of that nature instead of one that takes the opposite approach and uses an increase in firearms to decrease firearm deaths. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896873828] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>can you say that with any certainty, though? we could lock the entrances after a certain time so anyone who shows up after hours would need to get buzzed in? sneaking in is an obvious problem and metal detectors are not effective if one can sneak around them. they should be installed in such a way that one cannot sneak around them, then. if someone does pull some Matrix style shit and attack the lobby of a school, you're right, metal detectors wouldn't do much for that situation.</quote> I just don't think the built environment is suitable for this in like 99% of schools in this country, though. Lots of schools are open air -- the only schools I've attended have been this way. In elementary, the recess area abutted a public library and park, with only a chainlink fence between the two. The other side was a public access road. My high school didn't even have the chainlink fence. I can't imagine any reasonable way to make them more impenetrable without serious renovations</quote> fair points. to me, it seems the obvious way to stop guns from being used in schools is to stop guns from entering schools. of course that's easier said than done, but i'd prefer an approach of that nature instead of one that takes the opposite approach and uses an increase in firearms to decrease firearm deaths.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 02/27/18 3:08:44 PM #72:	FLUFFYGERM posted... and what if accidents still happen celebrate any reduction while analyzing the remaining factors at play --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:896874234] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>and what if accidents still happen</quote> celebrate any reduction while analyzing the remaining factors at play</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 02/27/18 3:22:25 PM #74:	mew4ever posted... comparing drowning to shootings is completely moronic. If your kid drowns, there's some accountability on you. Probably should have taught them how to swim or been watching them. Under no circumstances should I have to worry about the safety of children at school. They should be among the safest places in any and every community. Schools ARE among the safest places in any and every community! Your home is far more dangerous for your children. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896875027] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>mew4ever posted...</cite> <quote>comparing drowning to shootings is completely moronic. If your kid drowns, there's some accountability on you. Probably should have taught them how to swim or been watching them. Under no circumstances should I have to worry about the safety of children at school. They should be among the safest places in any and every community.</quote> Schools ARE among the safest places in any and every community! Your home is far more dangerous for your children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 02/27/18 3:28:18 PM #76:	Tmaster148 posted... Axiom posted... Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal. Statistically, they aren't. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896875399] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange</quote> Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal.</quote> Statistically, they aren't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 02/27/18 3:29:35 PM #77:	darkjedilink posted... Tmaster148 posted... Axiom posted... Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal. Statistically, they aren't. Okay, but...how do we reduce them anyway? --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:896875480] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange</quote> Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal.</quote> Statistically, they aren't.</quote> Okay, but...how do we reduce them anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tommybel89 02/27/18 3:31:22 PM #78:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Looks like there's a higher incidence of them but it's not a blip on the radar when you factor in the gang violence that kills thousands of black guys a year in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. --- Go Leafs Go http://www.last.fm/user/Disposableher0 <cite>tommybel89 posted [p:896875564] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Looks like there's a higher incidence of them but it's not a blip on the radar when you factor in the gang violence that kills thousands of black guys a year in Chicago, Baltimore, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 02/27/18 3:32:00 PM #79:	darkjedilink posted... Tmaster148 posted... Axiom posted... Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal. Statistically, they aren't. So then you should care about the shootings that do happened due to be significant. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:896875597] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange</quote> Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal.</quote> Statistically, they aren't.</quote> So then you should care about the shootings that do happened due to be significant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 02/27/18 3:39:43 PM #80:	tommybel89 posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Looks like there's a higher incidence of them but it's not a blip on the radar when you factor in the gang violence that kills thousands of black guys a year in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. Okay. But we're talking about school shootings, not gang violence. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:896876048] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>tommybel89 posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Looks like there's a higher incidence of them but it's not a blip on the radar when you factor in the gang violence that kills thousands of black guys a year in Chicago, Baltimore, etc.</quote> Okay. But we're talking about school shootings, not gang violence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tommybel89 02/27/18 3:45:00 PM #82:	Ok and even then, school deaths a year is miniscule compared to gang violence. School murder is in the 10's per year. Gang murders make up 65 to 80%+ of murders in big cities. Chicago alone is over 400 deaths a year. --- Go Leafs Go http://www.last.fm/user/Disposableher0 <cite>tommybel89 posted [p:896876346] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>Ok and even then, school deaths a year is miniscule compared to gang violence. School murder is in the 10's per year. Gang murders make up 65 to 80%+ of murders in big cities. Chicago alone is over 400 deaths a year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/27/18 3:46:26 PM #83:	Tmaster148 posted... darkjedilink posted... Tmaster148 posted... Axiom posted... Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal. Statistically, they aren't. So then you should care about the shootings that do happened due to be significant. That's not how statistics work. They are statistically insignificant. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896876420] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't some other know nothing Fox news host compare drowning to guns http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/ Lmao oh yeah Carlson's dumbass did and I think Mal went for like multiple pages trying to defend Carlson's stupidity What's with people comparing drowning to guns. How strange</quote> Because they are trying to make gun shootings sound like they aren't a big deal.</quote> Statistically, they aren't.</quote> So then you should care about the shootings that do happened due to be significant.</quote> That's not how statistics work. They are statistically insignificant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 02/27/18 3:49:11 PM #84:	The23rdMagus posted... tommybel89 posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Looks like there's a higher incidence of them but it's not a blip on the radar when you factor in the gang violence that kills thousands of black guys a year in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. Okay. But we're talking about school shootings, not gang violence. We're actually talking about the solutions to this problem based on rhetoric that it's an "epidemic." It's important to put the magnitude into perspective when some of the solutions have price tags in the tens of billions and/or would cause significant disruptions to the school environment for very little gain. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:896876577] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tommybel89 posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Looks like there's a higher incidence of them but it's not a blip on the radar when you factor in the gang violence that kills thousands of black guys a year in Chicago, Baltimore, etc.</quote> Okay. But we're talking about school shootings, not gang violence.</quote> We're actually talking about the solutions to this problem based on rhetoric that it's an "epidemic." It's important to put the magnitude into perspective when some of the solutions have price tags in the tens of billions and/or would cause significant disruptions to the school environment for very little gain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 02/27/18 3:50:43 PM #85:	Imagine comparing accidents to murders and thinking you're making some kind of point lmao --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:896876670] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>Imagine comparing accidents to murders and thinking you're making some kind of point lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HitTheGroundWal 02/27/18 3:52:15 PM #86:	With the metal detectors, I find myself wondering about all the other things that'd set it off. Like the wind instruments from kids in band. Not saying this automatically makes metal detectors a bad idea, but it does make it more complicated, since these false alarms will need to be searched. --- It's supposed to be HitTheGroundWalking. <cite>HitTheGroundWal posted [p:896876765] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>With the metal detectors, I find myself wondering about all the other things that'd set it off. Like the wind instruments from kids in band. Not saying this automatically makes metal detectors a bad idea, but it does make it more complicated, since these false alarms will need to be searched.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Romulox28 02/27/18 4:02:12 PM #88:	The Admiral posted... The23rdMagus posted... tommybel89 posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Looks like there's a higher incidence of them but it's not a blip on the radar when you factor in the gang violence that kills thousands of black guys a year in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. Okay. But we're talking about school shootings, not gang violence. We're actually talking about the solutions to this problem based on rhetoric that it's an "epidemic." It's important to put the magnitude into perspective when some of the solutions have price tags in the tens of billions and/or would cause significant disruptions to the school environment for very little gain. the problem is that a school shooter (a spree killer who walks the halls shooting random students) is now a legitimate concern for every student & teacher in every school across the nation. prior to columbine, it's not something that people even thought was possible, but since then there have been some occasional occurrences of it, enough to make school shooting an actual thing that happens and not just a random tragedy back in '99. i dont really think magnitude is important here. people just do not want to live with the fear that their kid's school might be the one that loses the lottery and gets shot up. there have been lots of events with small numbers of deaths but a profound impact on the future of the nation (i.e. the black hawk down situation in mogadishu back in the early 90s and how that affected pre-9/11 foreign policy going forward). --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:896877331] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tommybel89 posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Looks like there's a higher incidence of them but it's not a blip on the radar when you factor in the gang violence that kills thousands of black guys a year in Chicago, Baltimore, etc.</quote> Okay. But we're talking about school shootings, not gang violence.</quote> We're actually talking about the solutions to this problem based on rhetoric that it's an "epidemic." It's important to put the magnitude into perspective when some of the solutions have price tags in the tens of billions and/or would cause significant disruptions to the school environment for very little gain.</quote> the problem is that a school shooter (a spree killer who walks the halls shooting random students) is now a legitimate concern for every student & teacher in every school across the nation. prior to columbine, it's not something that people even thought was possible, but since then there have been some occasional occurrences of it, enough to make school shooting an actual thing that happens and not just a random tragedy back in '99. i dont really think magnitude is important here. people just do not want to live with the fear that their kid's school might be the one that loses the lottery and gets shot up. there have been lots of events with small numbers of deaths but a profound impact on the future of the nation (i.e. the black hawk down situation in mogadishu back in the early 90s and how that affected pre-9/11 foreign policy going forward).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 02/27/18 4:04:00 PM #89:	Giant_Aspirin posted... i dont see what's hard about putting metal detectors at the entrances. it wont infringe on any of 'muh gun rights' so why is that not an acceptable compromise? WTF is that supposed to do? Did a metal detector stop Neo and Trinity in The Matrix? --- I <3 my bae. <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:896877440] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>i dont see what's hard about putting metal detectors at the entrances. it wont infringe on any of 'muh gun rights' so why is that not an acceptable compromise?</quote> WTF is that supposed to do? Did a metal detector stop Neo and Trinity in The Matrix?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/27/18 4:16:48 PM #90:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Romulox28 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Romulox28 posted... so should we not do anything about school shootings until they become statistically relevant should we ban swimming pools and bikes? cmon dude this is a false equivalence and you know it looks like swimming pools and bikes kill more kids than mass shootings, no? only skimmed over the OP This is why the swimming pool / bike comparison doesn't work. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:896878182] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>so should we not do anything about school shootings until they become statistically relevant</quote> should we ban swimming pools and bikes?</quote> cmon dude this is a false equivalence and you know it</quote> looks like swimming pools and bikes kill more kids than mass shootings, no? only skimmed over the OP</quote> This is why the swimming pool / bike comparison doesn't work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 02/27/18 4:20:22 PM #92:	Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Romulox28 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Romulox28 posted... so should we not do anything about school shootings until they become statistically relevant should we ban swimming pools and bikes? cmon dude this is a false equivalence and you know it looks like swimming pools and bikes kill more kids than mass shootings, no? only skimmed over the OP This is why the swimming pool / bike comparison doesn't work. swimming pools absolutely don't fit into this category. no one needs to swim, though I suppose you can argue it is a relevant survival skill in some situations. that is no different really than the pro-gun argument though. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896878392] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>so should we not do anything about school shootings until they become statistically relevant</quote> should we ban swimming pools and bikes?</quote> cmon dude this is a false equivalence and you know it</quote> looks like swimming pools and bikes kill more kids than mass shootings, no? only skimmed over the OP</quote> This is why the swimming pool / bike comparison doesn't work. </quote> swimming pools absolutely don't fit into this category. no one needs to swim, though I suppose you can argue it is a relevant survival skill in some situations. that is no different really than the pro-gun argument though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 02/27/18 4:25:02 PM #93:	fenderbender321 posted... Parents should be 1,000x more worried about their kids getting cancer. Yet, I've never met a parent in the world who was as passionate about preventing childhood cancer as much as all these parents who are up in arms over trying to prevent school shootings. i dont think anyone will ever be able to top the absurdity of this comparison, good job --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:896878691] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Parents should be 1,000x more worried about their kids getting cancer. Yet, I've never met a parent in the world who was as passionate about preventing childhood cancer as much as all these parents who are up in arms over trying to prevent school shootings. </quote> i dont think anyone will ever be able to top the absurdity of this comparison, good job</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/27/18 4:29:50 PM #94:	The Admiral posted... Since 1996, there have been 14 multiple victim shootings in schools, or incidents involving 4 or more victims and at least 2 deaths by firearms, excluding the assailant. Of these, 7 are mass shootings, or incidents involving 4 or more deaths, excluding the assailant. Mass school shootings are incredibly rare events. In research publishing later this year, Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel found that on average, mass murders occur between 20 and 30 times per year, and about one of those incidents on average takes place at a school. 20-30 mass murders a year isn't really a thing in most first world countries... The pool comparison is dumb. I can't speak for the US but pool safety in Australia is taken extremely seriously and you're breaking the law if you don't have barriers or fences around the pool. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896878976] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Since 1996, there have been 14 multiple victim shootings in schools, or incidents involving 4 or more victims and at least 2 deaths by firearms, excluding the assailant. Of these, 7 are mass shootings, or incidents involving 4 or more deaths, excluding the assailant. Mass school shootings are incredibly rare events. In research publishing later this year, Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel found that on average, mass murders occur between 20 and 30 times per year, and about one of those incidents on average takes place at a school.</quote> 20-30 mass murders a year isn't really a thing in most first world countries... The pool comparison is dumb. I can't speak for the US but pool safety in Australia is taken extremely seriously and you're breaking the law if you don't have barriers or fences around the pool.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 02/27/18 4:33:14 PM #96:	That article is wrong. There has been 22 shootings with 3 deaths or more. 13 with 4 deaths or more. Over 50 with two deaths or more. Since 1996. Why they gotta lie to try and make a point? --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:896879167] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote>That article is wrong. There has been 22 shootings with 3 deaths or more. 13 with 4 deaths or more. Over 50 with two deaths or more. Since 1996. Why they gotta lie to try and make a point?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/27/18 4:33:15 PM #97:	fenderbender321 posted... Romulox28 posted... fenderbender321 posted... Parents should be 1,000x more worried about their kids getting cancer. Yet, I've never met a parent in the world who was as passionate about preventing childhood cancer as much as all these parents who are up in arms over trying to prevent school shootings. i dont think anyone will ever be able to top the absurdity of this comparison, good job Anyone can call something absurd. You're smart enough to be able to explain why you think it's absurd, though, so I'm a bit disappointed. How are you mean to prevent childhood cancer. People get very passionate over kids who have cancer or suffer from terminal diseases. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896879171] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Parents should be 1,000x more worried about their kids getting cancer. Yet, I've never met a parent in the world who was as passionate about preventing childhood cancer as much as all these parents who are up in arms over trying to prevent school shootings. </quote> i dont think anyone will ever be able to top the absurdity of this comparison, good job</quote> Anyone can call something absurd. You're smart enough to be able to explain why you think it's absurd, though, so I'm a bit disappointed.</quote> How are you mean to prevent childhood cancer. People get very passionate over kids who have cancer or suffer from terminal diseases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Romulox28 02/27/18 4:42:27 PM #99:	fenderbender321 posted... How do we prevent childhood cancer? We don't know. How do we (further) prevent school shootings? We don't know. But the time and energy among most people is being used up to discuss the latter WAY more than the former. that still doesnt make sense childhood cancer is naturally forming in these young kids, it just happens and you have to treat it. there are no external factors that contribute to it happening. whereas for school shootings we know many things that contribute to them happening, and it happens to be that one of the chief causes in a school shooting is that the shooter has access to guns --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:896879691] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>How do we prevent childhood cancer? We don't know. How do we (further) prevent school shootings? We don't know. But the time and energy among most people is being used up to discuss the latter WAY more than the former.</quote> that still doesnt make sense childhood cancer is naturally forming in these young kids, it just happens and you have to treat it. there are no external factors that contribute to it happening. whereas for school shootings we know many things that contribute to them happening, and it happens to be that one of the chief causes in a school shooting is that the shooter has access to guns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 02/27/18 4:49:09 PM #100:	Darmik posted... The Admiral posted... Since 1996, there have been 14 multiple victim shootings in schools, or incidents involving 4 or more victims and at least 2 deaths by firearms, excluding the assailant. Of these, 7 are mass shootings, or incidents involving 4 or more deaths, excluding the assailant. Mass school shootings are incredibly rare events. In research publishing later this year, Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel found that on average, mass murders occur between 20 and 30 times per year, and about one of those incidents on average takes place at a school. 20-30 mass murders a year isn't really a thing in most first world countries... The pool comparison is dumb. I can't speak for the US but pool safety in Australia is taken extremely seriously and you're breaking the law if you don't have barriers or fences around the pool. The population is also a lot higher than a lot of first world countries. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:896880104] in Study: No ... [t:76363519]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Since 1996, there have been 14 multiple victim shootings in schools, or incidents involving 4 or more victims and at least 2 deaths by firearms, excluding the assailant. Of these, 7 are mass shootings, or incidents involving 4 or more deaths, excluding the assailant. Mass school shootings are incredibly rare events. In research publishing later this year, Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel found that on average, mass murders occur between 20 and 30 times per year, and about one of those incidents on average takes place at a school.</quote> 20-30 mass murders a year isn't really a thing in most first world countries... The pool comparison is dumb. I can't speak for the US but pool safety in Australia is taken extremely seriously and you're breaking the law if you don't have barriers or fences around the pool.</quote> The population is also a lot higher than a lot of first world countries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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