Current Events > London sees 20% rise in rape reports in a year, but police don't understand why

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/26/18 2:29:05 PM
#152:


Newhopes posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
Somebody really needs to make a flowchart for right wing responses to stuff like this.

Can I use reports of rape for some not even thinly veiled racism? If yes, begin outrage.


Yes, we know, you bleeding hearts think that any discussion of abnormally high crime levels by minorities is racist.

If this upsets you, just head back to those mass shooting topics where you have no qualms generalizing whites.


No one generalizes whites in those topics. This is a blatant lie. Liberals just blame the alt right and white supremacist/nationalist ideologies. I follow those topics closely and not once have I seen whites generalized.


Progressives love to lie.


Admiral is not a progressive.
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Swampthing1138
02/26/18 2:29:44 PM
#153:


I just hope we can create a vaccine that cures conservatism before it is too late.
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gamepimp12
02/26/18 2:31:04 PM
#154:


The Admiral posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
@gamepimp12

How about you go watch some youtube videoes from the UK that I mentioned before showing that migrants have been attacking and raping women.

How about you listen to the UK people themselves saying how migrants are the problem.

Keep making the baseless and bs claim this is me being racist and lie to yourself, those UK people know more about this then me, are they racist too ?


You keep missing the point..... It's a different between saying that are a problem and saying their the problem.

You have evidence, at least shakey ones that say they are a problem.

You have no evidence to say they are THE problem and have double downed on that base less statement and you're racist for that.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't help you here nor do incomplete numbers. you have nowhere near enough information to say that rape would return to normal numbers without the immigrants but you say it anyway as a fact.

And you're racist for that.


Man, it's really amazing how strict liberals are with their bar of evidence when someone is asserting that minorities are guilty of disproportionate amounts of crime, but how lax they are with their bar of evidence when they themselves want to assert systematic racism or white privilege.


I'm not doing anything here but calling people out for using incomplete numbers to prove their own personal rhetoric something that I also said both liberals and Republicans do it in one of my very first post about the subject in this topic..

I never said he was wrong,what I said was without the evidence to prove he's right going around saying he's right is confirmation bias stemming from racism.
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GreatEvilEmpire
02/26/18 2:31:38 PM
#155:


So newly admitted Muslim refugees are raping women in the UK? You don't say.
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The Admiral
02/26/18 2:31:44 PM
#156:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Newhopes posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
Somebody really needs to make a flowchart for right wing responses to stuff like this.

Can I use reports of rape for some not even thinly veiled racism? If yes, begin outrage.


Yes, we know, you bleeding hearts think that any discussion of abnormally high crime levels by minorities is racist.

If this upsets you, just head back to those mass shooting topics where you have no qualms generalizing whites.


No one generalizes whites in those topics. This is a blatant lie. Liberals just blame the alt right and white supremacist/nationalist ideologies. I follow those topics closely and not once have I seen whites generalized.


Progressives love to lie.


Admiral is not a progressive.


You know you're floundering and have nothing. Just to give one example, BBT has made topics before saying exactly that, and idiots like this writer never miss a chance to blame whites:
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/16/florida-shooting-nikolas-cruz/
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Swampthing1138
02/26/18 2:33:39 PM
#157:


Why are repugnantcans so wimpy and fearful? Is that why they need to carry a gun everywhere?
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Funbazooka
02/26/18 2:34:32 PM
#158:


This is their solution:

yZHlGkT
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tommybel89
02/26/18 2:35:37 PM
#159:


I ask nice innocent questions about acid attacks and assaults in England, just as I have come back home from the hospital after seeing a brown doctor of obvious Mid-East decent, and even as my personal physician (who I will see in a few days) is from Lebanon. LOL yes, anyone who presents curious facts is racist!
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Swampthing1138
02/26/18 2:36:18 PM
#160:


Funbazooka posted...
This is their solution:

yZHlGkT


Fake news.
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gamepimp12
02/26/18 2:36:31 PM
#161:


Offworlder1 posted...
@gamepimp12

I am sure the migrants are happy to have people like you defending them.

Perhaps if the women could kill the rapists and have physical evidence you might believe what is being said. Hell if the women killed the rapists it would also mean less trouble makers in the UK.


I'ma break this down as far as I can

Saying immigrants are raping =/= racist

Saying immigrants are the only ones raping (which you basically said considering you said numbers would return to the 5 years ago reporting numbers) = racist

You don't have the proof to say they are the only ones raping but you say it anyway
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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/26/18 2:37:01 PM
#162:


The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Newhopes posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
Somebody really needs to make a flowchart for right wing responses to stuff like this.

Can I use reports of rape for some not even thinly veiled racism? If yes, begin outrage.


Yes, we know, you bleeding hearts think that any discussion of abnormally high crime levels by minorities is racist.

If this upsets you, just head back to those mass shooting topics where you have no qualms generalizing whites.


No one generalizes whites in those topics. This is a blatant lie. Liberals just blame the alt right and white supremacist/nationalist ideologies. I follow those topics closely and not once have I seen whites generalized.


Progressives love to lie.


Admiral is not a progressive.


You know you're floundering and have nothing. Just to give one example, BBT has made topics before saying exactly that, and idiots like this writer never miss a chance to blame whites:
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/16/florida-shooting-nikolas-cruz/


I do have nothing. The premise was that people here are generalizing about whites and I have nothing on that because I haven't seen it actually happen in those topics. I don't know how you could misconstrue anything I've said as "floundering" and you've already proven time and time again that you enjoy generalizing and labelling with your "ur unemployed lol" remarks. Why that other guy called you a progressive is beyond me.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
02/26/18 2:38:39 PM
#163:


gamepimp12 posted...
Saying immigrants are the only ones raping


Fuck off no one is saying this.
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The Admiral
02/26/18 2:40:22 PM
#164:


gamepimp12 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
@gamepimp12

I am sure the migrants are happy to have people like you defending them.

Perhaps if the women could kill the rapists and have physical evidence you might believe what is being said. Hell if the women killed the rapists it would also mean less trouble makers in the UK.


I'ma break this down as far as I can

Saying immigrants are raping =/= racist

Saying immigrants are the only ones raping (which you basically said considering you said numbers would return to the 5 years ago reporting numbers) = racist

You don't have the proof to say they are the only ones raping but you say it anyway


No one here is saying that "the only one doing the raping is the immigrants." In fact, the implicit argument is quite the opposite, since London still had a baseline of rapes before the large increase in Middle Eastern migration. What people are claiming is that the increase in the sexual assault rates is correlated with the increase in migration. The majority of sexual assaults are still committed by non-migrants.
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COVxy
02/26/18 2:41:44 PM
#165:


The Admiral posted...
What people are claiming is that the increase in the sexual assault rapes is correlated with the increase in migration.


I'm sure that the exports of butter are correlated with sexual assaults as well, or something equally inane.

A temporal correlation across general frequencies, especially one as low resolution as this one, is not exactly convincing evidence for the causal implication of a particular group of people.
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gamepimp12
02/26/18 2:49:16 PM
#166:


The Admiral posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
@gamepimp12

I am sure the migrants are happy to have people like you defending them.

Perhaps if the women could kill the rapists and have physical evidence you might believe what is being said. Hell if the women killed the rapists it would also mean less trouble makers in the UK.


I'ma break this down as far as I can

Saying immigrants are raping =/= racist

Saying immigrants are the only ones raping (which you basically said considering you said numbers would return to the 5 years ago reporting numbers) = racist

You don't have the proof to say they are the only ones raping but you say it anyway


No one here is saying that "the only one doing the raping is the immigrants." In fact, the implicit argument is quite the opposite, since London still had a baseline of rapes before the large increase in Middle Eastern migration. What people are claiming is that the increase in the sexual assault rates is correlated with the increase in migration. The majority of sexual assaults are still committed by non-migrants.


I would agree with that statement cause that's factual, sexual assaults and migrants happened at the same time,doesn't necessarily mean they're the cause but it's something worth looking at.

Offworlder said this though
Offworlder1 posted...
gamepimp12

If the UK had the balls to kick all the migrant men out then I bet the numbers of rapes would go back to pre mass immigration numbers. We both know that will not happen though and the police will keep side stepping on the issue.

I just hope that the vigilantes can actually make a positive change since the law refuses to act.


Which says that no one in the UK but immigrants have raped in since they came over which is both ridiculous and racist

Actually to be more accurate i'll say he's saying the same number of people are raping now then they where how every many years ago If you get rid of the migrants which is crazy to say in a country with rising populations
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The Admiral
02/26/18 2:51:25 PM
#167:


COVxy posted...
The Admiral posted...
What people are claiming is that the increase in the sexual assault rapes is correlated with the increase in migration.


I'm sure that the exports of butter are correlated with sexual assaults as well, or something equally inane.

A temporal correlation, especially one as low resolution as this one, is not exactly convincing evidence for the causal implication of a particular group of people.


Yes, correlating rapes with butter sales would be inane. Correlating them with an increase in a population that has admitted oppressive and abusive views on women is quite different.

Even the NY Times couldn't spin their way around the views Muslim British men claim to have:

Among the poll results were relatively high levels of disapproval for homosexuality, with 52 percent of respondents saying it should be illegal and 47 percent saying gay people should not work as teachers. On the issue of womens rights, 39 percent agreed with the statement wives should always obey their husbands.

About one-third of respondents said they would tell the police if they knew someone who was getting involved with supporting terrorism in Syria. The same proportion refused to condemn people who take part in violence against those who mock the Prophet Muhammad. Almost one quarter said they favored replacing the British legal system with Islamic law.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/world/europe/poll-british-muslims.html
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COVxy
02/26/18 2:53:49 PM
#168:


The Admiral posted...
Yes, correlating rapes with butter sales would be inane. Correlating them with an increase in a population that has admitted oppressive and abusive views on women is quite different.


I mean, if you are only using a correlation like this to justify the causal link, then it is equally inane. That's the entire point. If such spurious relationships often pop up, then why would you trust another piece of evidence of the same quality?

I presume you aren't for banning Nic Cage to increase pool safety, right?
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The Admiral
02/26/18 2:56:02 PM
#169:


COVxy being deliberately obtuse again.
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COVxy
02/26/18 2:56:40 PM
#170:


The Admiral posted...
COVxy being deliberately obtuse again.


Not obtuse, just data conscious. Something being intuitive to you doesn't mean your shitty evidence is any less shitty.
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PhazonReborn
02/26/18 2:57:38 PM
#171:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Fuck off no one is saying this.

But it's easier to argue if he believes that
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pinky0926
02/26/18 2:58:15 PM
#172:


Oh are we talking emotional, poorly thought-out narratives in this topic? I've got one for you.

"Liberals these days will call anything rape. Touch a woman on the knee and she'll report you for rape. What happened to the good old days when you'd just get a slap on the wrist and not a court order?"
"Rape reports are up 20%. Must be the immigrants, can't think of any other reason why."
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gamepimp12
02/26/18 3:01:40 PM
#173:


PhazonReborn posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Fuck off no one is saying this.

But it's easier to argue if he believes that


Saying " i bet removing the immigrants would bring the numbers down to pre migration level" in a country with rising population doesn't imply immigrants are the sole reason for the increase ?
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AngelicTouch99
02/26/18 3:06:12 PM
#174:


tote_all posted...
@Fam_Fam posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
EnragedSlith posted...
Which is?


Migrants and refugees from countries that consider women to be second-class citizens.


do you have any evidence of this? or are you just speculating? I imagine if it was so "obvious", people with actual statistical data would be able to figure this out pretty quickly. it's perhaps the case that this "obvious" variable was accounted for, and was determined not to be the cause. or perhaps they just aren't as brilliant as you and didn't think of it


Do you honestly believe that the influx of toxic cultures has nothing to do with this?

What are you gonna say when the statistics start showing up?

Stats and staticians are racist
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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/26/18 3:09:15 PM
#175:


pinky0926 posted...
Oh are we talking emotional, poorly thought-out narratives in this topic? I've got one for you.

"Liberals these days will call anything rape. Touch a woman on the knee and she'll report you for rape. What happened to the good old days when you'd just get a slap on the wrist and not a court order?"
"Rape reports are up 20%. Must be the immigrants, can't think of any other reason why."


Conservatives gonna conservative
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gamepimp12
02/26/18 3:17:42 PM
#176:


COVxy posted...
The Admiral posted...
COVxy being deliberately obtuse again.


Not obtuse, just data conscious. Something being intuitive to you doesn't mean your shitty evidence is any less shitty.


This.
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Bloodychess
02/26/18 3:21:27 PM
#177:


AngelicTouch99 posted...
tote_all posted...
@Fam_Fam posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
EnragedSlith posted...
Which is?


Migrants and refugees from countries that consider women to be second-class citizens.


do you have any evidence of this? or are you just speculating? I imagine if it was so "obvious", people with actual statistical data would be able to figure this out pretty quickly. it's perhaps the case that this "obvious" variable was accounted for, and was determined not to be the cause. or perhaps they just aren't as brilliant as you and didn't think of it


Do you honestly believe that the influx of toxic cultures has nothing to do with this?

What are you gonna say when the statistics start showing up?

Stats and staticians are racist


No, just that stats don't prove anything
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mario2000
02/26/18 3:26:48 PM
#178:


another day another alt-rightist pushing their muslim rape fantasies
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gamepimp12
02/26/18 3:27:51 PM
#179:


@Offworlder1 @The_Admiral @Anarchy_Juiblex

Whyd you guys stop posting ?
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The Admiral
02/26/18 3:28:56 PM
#180:


gamepimp12 posted...
@Offworlder1 @The_Admiral @Anarchy_Juiblex

Whyd you guys stop posting ?


Because we already shot down your ridiculous strawman argument of "only migrants are committing rapes!!"
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Cobra1010
02/26/18 3:29:43 PM
#181:


EnragedSlith posted...
Which is?


We cant say it. Or we will be deemed 'politically incorrect' and will be bashed to hell by the media. This is how it works these days.

I've already said too much. Good bye.
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gamepimp12
02/26/18 3:31:58 PM
#182:


The Admiral posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
@Offworlder1 @The_Admiral @Anarchy_Juiblex

Whyd you guys stop posting ?


Because we already shot down your ridiculous strawman argument of "only migrants are committing rapes!!"


Ummm no one posted after I posted the quote from off worlder where he said that difference in the numbers between now and then is solely the migrants
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Kazi1212
02/26/18 3:39:44 PM
#183:


Lmfao the ridiculousness of the liberal narrative goes to show when Admiral of all people is the only one posting any sources and using common sense
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shiby with it
02/26/18 3:39:59 PM
#184:


Maybe they need more guns.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
02/26/18 3:45:29 PM
#185:


Guys, there's a huge problem with Rape Culture.

But it's only in the West, somehow.
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Big_Nabendu
02/26/18 3:45:54 PM
#186:


Frog in boiling water
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Ulyanyx
02/26/18 3:46:27 PM
#187:


Fam_Fam posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
EnragedSlith posted...
Which is?


Migrants and refugees from countries that consider women to be second-class citizens.


do you have any evidence of this? or are you just speculating? I imagine if it was so "obvious", people with actual statistical data would be able to figure this out pretty quickly. it's perhaps the case that this "obvious" variable was accounted for, and was determined not to be the cause. or perhaps they just aren't as brilliant as you and didn't think of it


correlation may not be causation, but how do you yourself figure there's a much higher number, and what could it correlate to? it's a sad but sure case of occam's razor to me, due to factors present within a percentage of the immigrant population, though I am open as to any reasons you can see it going up. please tag me in your reply with your insights, and don't just attack me for what i've said; i'd very much like to have an actual discussion on these principals.
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voldothegr8
02/26/18 3:47:50 PM
#188:


Big_Nabendu posted...
Frog in boiling water

Not sure what that has to do with the topic, but it's a bullshit analogy regardless. It has been proven the frog will jump out when the water gets too hot.
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GreatEvilEmpire
02/26/18 4:03:28 PM
#190:


Oh he knows why. This is what happens when people reject reality and start cracking down on tweeters voicing their concerns. The truth is in plain sight...and that truth can hurt some feelings, but the truth is the truth.

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knutjob
02/26/18 4:53:39 PM
#191:


Immigration is way down tho
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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/26/18 4:57:36 PM
#192:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Guys, there's a huge problem with Rape Culture?.

But it's only in the West, somehow.


Only sjw extremists believe in rape culture smh
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Sneezy
02/26/18 4:58:05 PM
#193:


so i skimmed the first page of this shit dumpster of a topic and not a single person that knows what the fuck they're talking about.

is it looking better by the 4th page??
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Capn Circus
02/26/18 5:06:02 PM
#194:


Is it that farfetched to say migrants are responsible for the rise when, two New Years ago 1,000 women were sexually assaulted in the streets by gangs of wandering, drunken migrants?
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The Admiral
02/26/18 5:06:55 PM
#195:


Capn Circus posted...
Is it that farfetched to say migrants are responsible for the rise when, two New Years ago 1,000 women were sexually assaulted in the streets by gangs of wandering, drunken migrants?


Apparently that's a spurious as blaming the increase on butter sales, according to COVxy.
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COVxy
02/26/18 5:14:51 PM
#196:


Evidence should be judged based on its quality, not how much you feel like it's true.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/26/18 5:17:04 PM
#197:


Capn Circus posted...
Is it that farfetched to say migrants are responsible for the rise when, two New Years ago 1,000 women were sexually assaulted in the streets by gangs of wandering, drunken migrants?


Which countries were these migrants from?
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GreatEvilEmpire
02/26/18 5:19:57 PM
#198:


COVxy posted...
Evidence should be judged based on its quality, not how much you feel like it's true.


Kinda like this report, right? Based on a real study in Germany.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-03/germany-must-come-to-terms-with-refugee-crime
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knutjob
02/26/18 5:26:36 PM
#199:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
COVxy posted...
Evidence should be judged based on its quality, not how much you feel like it's true.


Kinda like this report, right? Based on a real study in Germany.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-03/germany-must-come-to-terms-with-refugee-crime


So 2 million refugees caused a 10% increase in Germany but 16000 refugees caused a 20% increase in London? Something doesn't add up
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andel
02/26/18 5:27:15 PM
#200:


it is intellectually dishonest to try and deny that there is a correlation between mass immigration and these kinds of crimes and serves no purpose but to muddy the waters

it is possible to have a position somewhere between accepting all immigration and calling for the deportation of all muslims yet the moderate voices never win the day when it comes to these discussions. as people of the world we need to acknowledge basic truths while seeking to alleviate this problem without trying to push one extreme or the other
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GreatEvilEmpire
02/26/18 5:29:46 PM
#201:


knutjob posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
COVxy posted...
Evidence should be judged based on its quality, not how much you feel like it's true.


Kinda like this report, right? Based on a real study in Germany.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-03/germany-must-come-to-terms-with-refugee-crime


So 2 million refugees caused a 10% increase in Germany but 16000 refugees caused a 20% increase in London? Something doesn't add up


Germany is a large country. London is a small city. There's a difference between total crime for a country vs total crime for a city, where more crime occurs.
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knutjob
02/26/18 5:32:43 PM
#202:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
knutjob posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
COVxy posted...
Evidence should be judged based on its quality, not how much you feel like it's true.


Kinda like this report, right? Based on a real study in Germany.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-03/germany-must-come-to-terms-with-refugee-crime


So 2 million refugees caused a 10% increase in Germany but 16000 refugees caused a 20% increase in London? Something doesn't add up


London is a small city.


Fucking lol

Also that's now how percentages work
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