Poll of the Day > Do you think the Allies would have still won WW2 if the u.s. had not entered the

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Yes. Russia was on that sweet German ass.
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Yes...ish.

It's very likely that Russia would have curbed Germany and, with its resources freed up, could have stopped Japan shortly after. However, Japan spent a lot of time and manpower fighting in the pacific and, had they not had to do so, could have also inflicted critical damage on Russia. Plus, American soldiers were responsible for making the split that lead to Hitler's downfall more sever. So if they hadn't Germany may have been able to throw far more troops to the eastern front.

I think the allies would have still WON, but things would be a lot worse.
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What is lend-lease.
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If the US hadn't joined after the attack of pearl harbor (or if the attack never happened as it happened much sooner then Hitler wanted) then in all likelihood Japan would have conquered all of the eastern side of Asia and Australia. If the US still refused to enter the war, the Japanese forces would have fought Russia coming from the East while Germany came from the West, most likely resulting in a loss for Russia.

If the US never joins, Germany and Japan had a good chance of controlling all of Europe and Asia, leaving the US isolated. This was actually Hitler's gameplan but Hirohito bombed pearl harbor too early.
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We need another Command & Conquer: Red Alert game with this as a what-if scenario.
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Yes, though the cost would of been significantly higher.

Britain and Poland had cracked the Enigma code, so we had intel, also we had radar so were taking on the German uboats significantly better.

Russia had Germany tied up in big battles that exhausted the German resources, also a significantly portion of the German army consisted of people who didn't actually want to fight for them and were helping the allies where they could!

Without the added forces from the US though the war would of took longer and the tole would of been significantly larger.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Japan would have conquered all of the eastern side of Asia and Australia.

LMFAO
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War

Winning

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If they made and effectively utilized long ranged bombers, yes.
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VeeVees posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Japan would have conquered all of the eastern side of Asia and Australia.

LMFAO

Considering they almost did it while fighting the US, I'm not sure why your fucking ass just fell off.
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eventually. now if we had never helped at all? (no trade/supplies) then probabaly not
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SunWuKung420 posted...

VeeVees posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Japan would have conquered all of the eastern side of Asia and Australia.

LMFAO

Considering they almost did it while fighting the US, I'm not sure why your fucking ass just fell off.

They weren't even close. Japan is a tiny island and simply doesn't have the manpower necessary to hold down large countries like China. China knew Japan will lose eventually and decided to sabotage and fight among themselves to capture power. Without US interference the war would've been longer but Japan will lose eventually.
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VeeVees posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

VeeVees posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Japan would have conquered all of the eastern side of Asia and Australia.

LMFAO

Considering they almost did it while fighting the US, I'm not sure why your fucking ass just fell off.

They weren't even close. Japan is a tiny island and simply doesn't have the manpower necessary to hold down large countries like China. China knew Japan will lose eventually and decided to sabotage and fight among themselves to capture power. Without US interference the war would've been longer but Japan will lose eventually.

1942, hmm, looks like the Japanese had a large part in lockdown to me.


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Well there you go, gentleman. We can ignore minor issues like the logistical requirements of governing and supplying their captured territories because now we have a single PowerPoint slide.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

VeeVees posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

VeeVees posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Japan would have conquered all of the eastern side of Asia and Australia.

LMFAO

Considering they almost did it while fighting the US, I'm not sure why your fucking ass just fell off.

They weren't even close. Japan is a tiny island and simply doesn't have the manpower necessary to hold down large countries like China. China knew Japan will lose eventually and decided to sabotage and fight among themselves to capture power. Without US interference the war would've been longer but Japan will lose eventually.

1942, hmm, looks like the Japanese had a large part in lockdown to me.

"Lockdown"? Right, because we know that once you have captured a place it's yours forever and no one will ever take them back.
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VeeVees posted...

Right, because we know that once you have captured a place it's yours forever and no one will ever take them back.

And do you know who took them back? The US, therefore without the US, Japan would have continued to capture more land. No one else was stopping them.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

VeeVees posted...

Right, because we know that once you have captured a place it's yours forever and no one will ever take them back.

And do you know who took them back? The US, therefore without the US, Japan would have continued to capture more land. No one else was stopping them.

LMFAO. Americans love to think they saved the day when in reality they just saw it as an opportunity to join the winning side and get some loot. They let pear harbor happen so they have an excuse to join the war. Japan would've lost with or without US.
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I must say, that is one well thought out and stated defense of your stance.
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Ya, as oppose to Japan captured land before therefore they will continue to capture land in the future. I bet Napoleon thought the same thing.
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One thing is a fact, the US did crush Japan and before that nothing was stopping them. So, I'll going to end this discussion with you now.
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LOL, ya, nothing was stopping Napoleon stomping through Russia too. As we all knew, Napoleon conquered the entire Russia.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

One thing is a fact, the US did crush Japan and before that nothing was stopping them. So, I'll going to end this discussion with you now.

Siberia. Japan has that to pass.

Also the further they went, the more spread the forces. Japan would have been crushed by the soviet war machine, if they got past the cold
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Unquestionably yes. The War was effectively over as soon as Hitler decided to double-cross Stalin.

The US likes to paper over this fact, but the Eastern front - where the USSR fought the Axis almost unsupported - was larger than all other fronts of the war combined and the Axis got their ass kicked there. The Soviets had more casualties than the US had soldiers and still became a global superpower in the war's aftermath.

In contrast, the US only joined after the war had already started to turn against Germany and the other Axis powers. Their involvement hastened the war's end, to be sure, and probably prevented a large chunk of East Asia and Western Europe from becoming communist vassal states, but the war's outcome did not hinge on America's involvement, much as some Americans like to think otherwise.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

VeeVees posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

VeeVees posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Japan would have conquered all of the eastern side of Asia and Australia.

LMFAO

Considering they almost did it while fighting the US, I'm not sure why your fucking ass just fell off.

They weren't even close. Japan is a tiny island and simply doesn't have the manpower necessary to hold down large countries like China. China knew Japan will lose eventually and decided to sabotage and fight among themselves to capture power. Without US interference the war would've been longer but Japan will lose eventually.

1942, hmm, looks like the Japanese had a large part in lockdown to me.

For note, they were taken to supply resources to Japan to encourage more growth, world domination wasn't really on the Emperor's agenda.
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