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Epic-Vegan_420
02/18/18 1:49:03 PM
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He could have won this tournament so fucking long ago

What an idiot

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Funkydog
02/18/18 1:50:26 PM
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Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
What an idiot

Welcome to villains in basically every franchise ever. A competent one would fuck your typical hero over in under an hour with no way for them to recover.
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Vicious_Dios
02/18/18 1:50:49 PM
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It's over.
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Tyranthraxus
02/18/18 1:52:04 PM
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Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
He could have won this tournament so fucking long ago

What an idiot

Worst villain


You can literally say that about every DBZ character.

Cell literally just stood there and waited while Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan trained for a fucking year.

If Freiza had just fingered Goku first instead of Krillin it would have been game over.
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Vicious_Dios
02/18/18 1:53:41 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...

If Freiza had just fingered Goku first instead of Krillin it would have been game over.


LMAO
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Epic-Vegan_420
02/18/18 1:54:17 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
You can literally say that about every DBZ character.

True. Pretty much every DBZ character is dumb as bricks

Gohan is supposed to be smart but we never get to see that shit lmao
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Funkydog
02/18/18 1:54:21 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
If Freiza had just fingered Goku first instead of Krillin it would have been game over.

Krillin would have become the first super human though!
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A_Good_Boy
02/18/18 1:58:25 PM
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Cell, as superficial as it was, at least had a reason for sitting still for a week while the good guys trained and got stronger. He felt that he was the pinnacle of strength and his saiyan blood was allowing him to relish the challenge of strong fighters.

Jiren, on the other hand, isn't fighting for a mere challenge where he can just dick around due to the stakes being pretty much nonexistent. He's literally fighting for not just his own survival, but for the existence of himself and his entire universe. Instead of taking that shit seriously he's just napping cause he's bored.
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UnfairRepresent
02/18/18 2:00:35 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
If Freiza had just fingered Goku first instead of Krillin it would have been game over.

Krillin would have become the first super human though!

"This isn't even my final form"

*Grows an ordinary haircut*
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A_Good_Boy
02/18/18 2:01:07 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Funkydog posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
If Freiza had just fingered Goku first instead of Krillin it would have been game over.

Krillin would have become the first super human though!

"This isn't even my final form"

*Grows an ordinary haircut*

*grows a nose
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Vicious_Dios
02/18/18 2:02:53 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Funkydog posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
If Freiza had just fingered Goku first instead of Krillin it would have been game over.

Krillin would have become the first super human though!

"This isn't even my final form"

*Grows an ordinary haircut*

*grows a nose


*Grows 9 more inches*
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CM_Ponch
02/18/18 2:13:11 PM
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He's not a villain tho
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Trigg3rH4ppy
02/18/18 7:04:57 PM
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CM_Ponch posted...
He's not a villain tho

You're right, Goku is the main villain of this Arc.
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Mistere Man
02/18/18 7:16:05 PM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Funkydog posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
If Freiza had just fingered Goku first instead of Krillin it would have been game over.

Krillin would have become the first super human though!

"This isn't even my final form"

*Grows an ordinary haircut*

*grows a nose


*Grows 9 more inches*

In his pants
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Slayerblade11
02/18/18 7:22:53 PM
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DBZ characters in general are naturally dumb. Characters will stand there allowing opponenets to charge up high power attacks and sit there and let them power up and transform. Being smart in Dragon Ball is like being normal everywhere else.
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Tropicalwood
02/18/18 7:25:22 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
If Freiza had just fingered Goku first instead of Krillin it would have been game over.

Krillin would've gone Caped Baldy on his ass if he did that to his best friend.
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Solar_Crimson
02/18/18 9:37:41 PM
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Slayerblade11 posted...
DBZ characters in general are naturally dumb. Characters will stand there allowing opponenets to charge up high power attacks and sit there and let them power up and transform. Being smart in Dragon Ball is like being normal everywhere else.

This makes Future Trunks a bit refreshing in that regard. He came in and sliced Frieza to pieces before he could do anything, and in Super, Trunks took the Buu threat seriously from the start and killed Babidi and Dabura before they could even resurrect Buu.
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a_riot04
02/18/18 9:46:42 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
You can literally say that about every DBZ character.

Not Gogeta (movie) and F. Trunks tho. Those 2 doesn't fuck around.
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Epic-Vegan_420
02/19/18 4:21:37 AM
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CM_Ponch posted...
He's not a villain tho

hows he not a villain
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CM_Ponch
02/19/18 5:13:47 AM
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Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
He's not a villain tho

hows he not a villain

He's fighting for his universe's survival. He's done literally nothing wrong. He's his universe's greatest hero.
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Akagami_Shanks
02/19/18 5:24:34 AM
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CM_Ponch posted...
Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
He's not a villain tho

hows he not a villain

He's fighting for his universe's survival. He's done literally nothing wrong. He's his universe's greatest hero.

Universe 7's greatest hero is Android 17
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Epic-Vegan_420
02/19/18 7:11:18 AM
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CM_Ponch posted...
Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
He's not a villain tho

hows he not a villain

He's fighting for his universe's survival. He's done literally nothing wrong. He's his universe's greatest hero.

villain
noun villain \ vi-ln \

Definition of villain
1 : a character in a story or play who opposes the hero
2 : a deliberate scoundrel or criminal
3 : one blamed for a particular evil or difficulty
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Funkydog
02/19/18 7:28:43 AM
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People are in this mess because of Goku, no matter what changes they make to it to have goku's idiocy "saving" everyone later on. He's more the villain tbh.
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Chicken
02/19/18 7:29:38 AM
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Funkydog posted...
People are in this mess because of Goku, no matter what changes they make to it to have goku's idiocy "saving" everyone later on. He's more the villain tbh.

Implying those universes will stay erased lmao
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Epic-Vegan_420
02/19/18 7:30:09 AM
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Funkydog posted...
People are in this mess because of Goku, no matter what changes they make to it to have goku's idiocy "saving" everyone later on. He's more the villain tbh.

did we watch the same show
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Funkydog
02/19/18 7:32:40 AM
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Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
Funkydog posted...
People are in this mess because of Goku, no matter what changes they make to it to have goku's idiocy "saving" everyone later on. He's more the villain tbh.

did we watch the same show

I mean, they changed it to having Xeno wanting to do the universal tournament anyway, after all the shock Goku had got put every universe into a death match.

Chicken posted...
Implying those universes will stay erased lmao


Oh yeah, I doubt they will.
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Epic-Vegan_420
02/19/18 7:34:38 AM
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Funkydog posted...
Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
Funkydog posted...
People are in this mess because of Goku, no matter what changes they make to it to have goku's idiocy "saving" everyone later on. He's more the villain tbh.

did we watch the same show

I mean, they changed it to having Xeno wanting to do the universal tournament anyway, after all the shock Goku had got put every universe into a death match.

they didnt change it, that was a knee jerk reaction from other universes not realizing Goku gave them a chance to survive

rather than Goku being the cause of universal erasure
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salandrews
02/19/18 7:36:17 AM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
He's not a villain tho

hows he not a villain

He's fighting for his universe's survival. He's done literally nothing wrong. He's his universe's greatest hero.

Universe 7's greatest hero is Android 17


Best scene was him blasting the love girls. Android 17 stays on thot patrol.
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Funkydog
02/19/18 7:36:30 AM
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Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
Funkydog posted...
Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
Funkydog posted...
People are in this mess because of Goku, no matter what changes they make to it to have goku's idiocy "saving" everyone later on. He's more the villain tbh.

did we watch the same show

I mean, they changed it to having Xeno wanting to do the universal tournament anyway, after all the shock Goku had got put every universe into a death match.

they didnt change it, that was a knee jerk reaction from other universes not realizing Goku gave them a chance to survive

rather than Goku being the cause of universal erasure

See, Goku being the cause of it all would have been something interesting and something they should have played with. His insane urge/need to fight ultimately causing massive harm. Rather than throwing that build up away and going with something as trite as they did.

But I guess expecting much is a bit silly, so should just shrug and enjoy the fighting >.>
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Epic-Vegan_420
02/19/18 7:38:47 AM
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Funkydog posted...
See, Goku being the cause of it all would have been something interesting and something they should have played with. His insane urge/need to fight ultimately causing massive harm. Rather than throwing that build up away and going with something as trite as they did.

But I guess expecting much is a bit silly, so should just shrug and enjoy the fighting >.>

This show plays it safe most times, it ain't surprising

ToP is ending with UI Goku vs Jiren lmao
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Funkydog
02/19/18 7:41:26 AM
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Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
This show plays it safe most times, it ain't surprising

ToP is ending with UI Goku vs Jiren lmao

I know, but I can hope (foolishly) when they put an interesting concept right in our faces :(
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Epic-Vegan_420
02/19/18 7:42:13 AM
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Freeza and Goku fusion when
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marc55
02/19/18 7:48:14 AM
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hes not a villain

hes just the antagonist
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Funkydog
02/19/18 7:48:48 AM
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Not soon enough. We need it yesterday.
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Solar_Crimson
02/19/18 8:29:18 AM
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Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
He's not a villain tho

hows he not a villain

He's an antagonist. Antagonists aren't always villains.
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Epic-Vegan_420
02/19/18 8:30:31 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
He's not a villain tho

hows he not a villain

He's an antagonist. Antagonists aren't always villains.

Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
villain
noun villain \ vi-ln \

Definition of villain
1 : a character in a story or play who opposes the hero
2 : a deliberate scoundrel or criminal
3 : one blamed for a particular evil or difficulty
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tremain07
02/19/18 8:38:09 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
He's an antagonist. Antagonists aren't always villains.

Toei is making him more villainous to make kids root for Goku more before Jiren and Goku started fighting this was Jiren

- He didn't want to do this because he wants to save people, not be part of a slaughter
- He wanted to see what lies beyond strength

This is Jiren after he started fighting Goku

-Power is everything, everything in the world is decided by power
- Mocks his teammates
- Is basically Batman and has a Sasuke like past
- Savagely wails on weakened Goku,Vegeta, Freiza and 17 despite being so above them he could ring them out without hurting them any more than he had to
- Vegeta, who can't even muster his saiyan form gets a savage beating from Jiren while Jiren rants about power and how pointless everything is unless you have power

The dude has turned into a straight up villain with absolutely no sympathy to be had because god forbid the heroes fight someone who isn't morally bankrupt, Toei just cannot allow that to happen.
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Irony
02/19/18 8:41:25 AM
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Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
CM_Ponch posted...
He's not a villain tho

hows he not a villain

He's fighting for his universe's survival. He's done literally nothing wrong. He's his universe's greatest hero.

villain
noun villain \ vi-ln \

Definition of villain
1 : a character in a story or play who opposes the hero
2 : a deliberate scoundrel or criminal
3 : one blamed for a particular evil or difficulty

So he' s the hero and Goku is the villain
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The_Juice_
02/19/18 9:47:54 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Epic-Vegan_420 posted...
He could have won this tournament so fucking long ago

What an idiot

Worst villain


You can literally say that about every DBZ character.

Cell literally just stood there and waited while Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan trained for a fucking year.

If Freiza had just fingered Goku first instead of Krillin it would have been game over.


This is why kid buu was the best.

Dude just savagely fucked shit up with no hesitation.
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