Current Events > Blue states have twice as many hate crimes per capita per year than red states

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https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/tables/table-12

9 of the 10 states with the least hate crimes per capita voted for Trump

6 of the 10 states with the most hate crimes per capita voted for Hillary

the overall red state hate crime rate per 100k is 1.68

the overall blue state hate crime rate per 100k is 3.37


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And these are just reported hate crimes. I wonder how many of them are actually real, and what the racial breakdown of them is.

It says "hate crimes reported". I wouldn't be surprised if less hate crimes are reported in red states.
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Because thats just normal in red states. They dont report them.
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Wtf we support hate crime designations now?
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Garioshi posted...

It says "hate crimes reported"

As opposed to what, "hate crimes guessed"?
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I would complain about people spamming the thinking emoji, but at least it means they're not spamming the shit one.

TheVipaGTS posted...

Because thats just normal in red states. They dont report them.

Do you have any empirical basis for this or did you just pull it out of your ass
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crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps
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CookieMarvin posted...

crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps

Are there no gay people in "wasp" states either?

And since when was Arkansas a "wasp" state
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Because thats just normal in red states. They dont report them.

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CookieMarvin posted...

crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps

55% of America's black population lives in the south
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps

Are there no gay people in "wasp" states either?

Im gonna let you think about how bad of a response that was
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Shit flopic
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CookieMarvin posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps

Are there no gay people in "wasp" states either?

Im gonna let you think about how bad of a response that was

Sephiroth1288 posted...

And since when was Arkansas a "wasp" state

I'm gonna let you think about how bad your original post was
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@TheVipaGTS posted...

Because that?s just normal in red states. They don?t report them.

Can you cite a source for this?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps

55% of America's black population lives in the south

In massively segregated communities. In a society that barely enforces hate crimes. The snarky responses are actually true
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

@TheVipaGTS posted...

Because that?s just normal in red states. They don?t report them.

Can you cite a source for this?

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You can paint any narrative you want with statistics, but I'd wager that hate crime legislation is more regularly enforced in blue states than red states.
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Kineth posted...

You can paint any narrative you want with statistics, but I'd wager that hate crime legislation is more regularly enforced in blue states than red states.

Got any source to back that up or are you just deflecting
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EnragedSlith posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps

55% of America's black population lives in the south

In massively segregated communities. In a society that barely enforces hate crimes. The snarky responses are actually true

segregation is over dog
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Kineth posted...

You can paint any narrative you want with statistics, but I'd wager that hate crime legislation is more regularly enforced in blue states than red states.

Got any source to back that up or are you just deflecting

What's the point of this topic.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps

55% of America's black population lives in the south

In massively segregated communities. In a society that barely enforces hate crimes. The snarky responses are actually true

segregation is over dog

State sanctioned, yes.
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Well, you've reported this data. Now interpret it.
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that's surprising considering how black the bible belt is. I've always heard there was a lot of racism in the south

Milkman5 posted...

that's surprising considering how black the bible belt is. I've always heard there was a lot of racism in the south

There is.

Do you think racist people are going to be fair and unbalanced when it comes to reporting hate crimes?
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I said this to you in another topic
but it applies here

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

person: says something empirically true
other person: hey, don't be racist

generally the things people like you post are not "empirically true" but rather a set of observations and inferences created based off of incomplete, discriminatory, and often racist poll-gathering and stats.

These also ignore societal implications, they ignore history, and the information is presented in a way that's supposed to convey "black people are inherently lesser"

but i'm supposed to think you're being objective lmfao

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For some of the folks in this topic:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcv0415.pdf

There's some interesting stuff in this report if you take some time with it.

But in short, the evidence suggests that a significant amount of hate crimes go unreported as hate crimes. While this report also goes by region as well, it does not specify where in the US the lack of reporting is centered.

This is not to say that these crimes A) do not happen or B) go unreported as crimes, just that they're not reported as hate crimes. A majority of these "unreported as hate crimes" get handled a different way.

So, that suggests that either:

1) Hate crimes just don't happen as often in red states.
2) Hate crimes aren't reported as hate crimes in red states.
3) Diversity of the region plays a significant factor.

And it's probably an indeterminable mix of all three.
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CyricZ posted...

3) Diversity of the region plays a significant factor.

my gut says this is the dominant factor.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

I said this to you in another topic
but it applies here

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

person: says something empirically true
other person: hey, don't be racist

generally the things people like you post are not "empirically true" but rather a set of observations and inferences created based off of incomplete, discriminatory, and often racist poll-gathering and stats.

These also ignore societal implications, they ignore history, and the information is presented in a way that's supposed to convey "black people are inherently lesser"

but i'm supposed to think you're being objective lmfao

Look at all the responses to this topic

None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims. The idea that red states are so racist that hate crimes go unreported more often in them is unsupported by any evidence posted ITT, including Cyric's.

The only one's in this topic making "a set of observations and inferences created based off of incomplete, discriminatory" information are them, not me.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Look at all the responses to this topic

None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims. The idea that red states are so racist that hate crimes go unreported more often in them is unsupported by any evidence posted ITT, including Cyric's.

I mean, the data does bear that out. Alabama (and Mississippi has a lot more than .5 million) has a lot more than 1 million people, but only 1 million people are covered by the participating agencies. Similar, though smaller, disparities exist in other southern states (Louisiana, Georgia, Indiana)
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Blue states: not racism free!
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CE racists have been out in force since Black Panther holy shit lmao
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Mal: take that liberals!
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims. The idea that red states are so racist that hate crimes go unreported more often in them is unsupported by any evidence posted ITT, including Cyric's.

Okay, Sally. Let's address the fact that your data tells a minor portion of the story, so you don't get to play Brigadier High-Horse, here, either.

I mean, let's not get away from the real reason you made this topic: to rile up CE liberals and watch them twist while you make like El Blaze from Virtua Fighter over here with "I have the data! You have NOTHING!"

I may not know the root cause of hate crimes as a factor of location, but I know CE troublemakers pretty well.
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I don't really care either way though tbh I mean I have lived in both red states and blue states and people are indeed racist every where
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Lol at reporting hate crimes in the south. Like...what's even the point?
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Balrog0 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Look at all the responses to this topic

None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims. The idea that red states are so racist that hate crimes go unreported more often in them is unsupported by any evidence posted ITT, including Cyric's.

I mean, the data does bear that out. Alabama (and Mississippi has a lot more than .5 million) has a lot more than 1 million people, but only 1 million people are covered by the participating agencies. Similar, though smaller, disparities exist in other southern states (Louisiana, Georgia, Indiana)

A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this.

CyricZ posted...

Okay, Sally. Let's address the fact that your data tells a minor portion of the story, so you don't get to play Brigadier High-Horse, here, either.

I mean, let's not get away from the real reason you made this topic: to rile up CE liberals and watch them twist while you make like El Blaze from Virtua Fighter over here with "I have the data! You have NOTHING!"

Correct. An argument with evidence beats an argument with zero evidence, obviously.

CyricZ posted...

I may not know the root cause of hate crimes as a factor of location, but I know CE troublemakers pretty well.

I'm a troublemaker for pointing out realities that you don't like, huh? If you were actually as unbiased as you pretended to be, why are you more mad at me for showing blue states are more bigoted than red states with statistics than you are at everyone else for insisting that red states are more bigoted based on nothing? One of these things is not like the other!
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see, guys, Liberals are the real racists and Mal just proved it to everyone.

also, the topic title is wholly disingenuous because it should say "Blue states have twice as many *reported* hate crimes" because that's what the stats measure. it's ironic you're getting so focused on the empirical data but you aren't even accurately representing what it measures.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this.

It isn't about the size of the sample, it is about the composition, i.e., selection biases
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https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/

46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage.
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This data just includes "incidents reported" for 2016. I was under the impression that conservatives were skeptical of hate crime reports in the wake of Trump's election as being made up by liberals to suit a narrative.
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Balrog0 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this.

It isn't about the size of the sample, it is about the composition, i.e., selection biases

Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states.

Waluigi7 posted...

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/

46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage.

What does this have to do with hate crimes
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Waluigi7 posted...
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/

46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage.

What does this have to do with hate crimes

You had made the claim in post 40 that "blue states are more bigoted than red states," but of course hate crime reports are not the only measure of this.
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Naturally the best argument in this topic is ignored by mal:

CyricZ posted...

For some of the folks in this topic:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcv0415.pdf

There's some interesting stuff in this report if you take some time with it.

But in short, the evidence suggests that a significant amount of hate crimes go unreported as hate crimes. While this report also goes by region as well, it does not specify where in the US the lack of reporting is centered.

This is not to say that these crimes A) do not happen or B) go unreported as crimes, just that they're not reported as hate crimes. A majority of these "unreported as hate crimes" get handled a different way.

So, that suggests that either:

1) Hate crimes just don't happen as often in red states.
2) Hate crimes aren't reported as hate crimes in red states.
3) Diversity of the region plays a significant factor.

And it's probably an indeterminable mix of all three.

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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states.

lmao classic trumpster fire response from mal


Valid assessments about crime, including hate crime, are possible only with careful study and analysis of the various conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction. (See Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics: Their Proper Use.) In addition, some data in this publication may not be comparable to those in prior editions of Hate Crime Statistics because of differing levels of participation from year to year. Therefore, the reader is cautioned against making simplistic comparisons between the statistical data of this program and that of others with differing methodologies or even comparing individual reporting units solely on the basis of their agency type.

...The data used in creating this table were from all law enforcement agencies that submitted either of the following: (1) at least one Group A Incident Report, a Group B Arrest Report, or a Zero Report for at least 1 month of the calendar year via the National Incident-Based Reporting System; or (2) at least one Hate Crime Incident Report and/or a Zero Report via the Hate Crime Technical Specification or the Microsoft Excel Workbook Tool. The published data, therefore, do not necessarily represent reports from each participating agency for all 12 months (or 4 quarters) of the calendar year.

tl;dr the submission of reports is voluntary by locality, not even by state, and the data note cautions using the data for the kind of comparisons you are attempting to make itt
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this.

It isn't about the size of the sample, it is about the composition, i.e., selection biases

Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states.

Waluigi7 posted...

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/

46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage.

What does this have to do with hate crimes

Don't pretend like this topic wasn't a petty attempt at trying to portray blue states as more racist than red states.
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Waluigi7 posted...

Don't pretend like this topic wasn't a petty attempt at trying to portray blue states as more racist than red states.

that's exactly what he's doing:

Sephiroth1288 posted...

why are you more mad at me for showing blue states are more bigoted than red states

and to open up that can of worms is just hilarious
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