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Genocet_10-325
02/17/18 5:23:51 PM
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Australia also banned guns

Japan has never had a mass shooting. Guns are also banned there.

Hmmmmmmmm
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ThePrinceFish
02/17/18 5:24:37 PM
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Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.
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frozenshock
02/17/18 5:25:09 PM
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Montreal has had 3 school shootings since 1989, and guns are banned there
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Genocet_10-325
02/17/18 5:25:36 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.

And that's why thousands more innocents are going to die in the coming years.
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Kajagogo
02/17/18 5:25:44 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.


So basically you're saying having guns is more important than the lives of children. Super!
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ThePrinceFish
02/17/18 5:26:10 PM
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Kajagogo posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.


So basically you're saying having guns is more important than the lives of children. Super!

Yes, the overarching right to defend oneself will always be more important than individual tragedies.
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Roxborough4Ever
02/17/18 5:26:17 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Montreal has had 3 school shootings since 1989, and guns are banned there


prove it.
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DeanAuryn
02/17/18 5:26:30 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Montreal has had 3 school shootings since 1989, and guns are banned there


Theyre obviously not banned enough.
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Kajagogo
02/17/18 5:27:34 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Kajagogo posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.


So basically you're saying having guns is more important than the lives of children. Super!

Yes, the overarching right to defend oneself will always be more important than individual tragedies.


What a class act. I pity you. Actually, no I don't.
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ThePrinceFish
02/17/18 5:29:51 PM
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Kajagogo posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Kajagogo posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.


So basically you're saying having guns is more important than the lives of children. Super!

Yes, the overarching right to defend oneself will always be more important than individual tragedies.


What a class act. I pity you. Actually, no I don't.

Congratulations. I don't really give a fuck what some faceless worm on the internet thinks.
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DeanAuryn
02/17/18 5:33:53 PM
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Well, that escalated quickly.
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littlebro07
02/17/18 5:35:59 PM
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ThePrinceFish
02/17/18 5:36:45 PM
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can't appeal to my emotions if i dont have any emotions

*thinking emoji*
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ItsVinceRusso
02/17/18 5:37:02 PM
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Kajagogo posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.


So basically you're saying having guns is more important than the lives of children. Super!


b-but my 200-year-old piece of paper
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Doe
02/17/18 5:37:15 PM
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Cities should be allowed to pass ordinances for gun control. People in urban areas are more likely to have a gun than rural folk which is bizarre and backwards.
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ToonLinkWithGun
02/17/18 5:38:19 PM
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If you cared about children you would go after way more than just guns. But if you need to use children like Hitler did specifically to get rid of guns then go right on ahead.
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DiegoSanchez206
02/17/18 5:41:09 PM
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Imagine wanting to be like Japan.

So guns get banned right now.

Citizens tell the government to go fuck themselves.

What is your solution? Put people in overcrowded jails/prisons?

Help me out.
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Kajagogo
02/17/18 5:51:08 PM
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ItsVinceRusso posted...
Kajagogo posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.


So basically you're saying having guns is more important than the lives of children. Super!


b-but my 200-year-old piece of paper


lol
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CraziestCal
02/17/18 5:51:20 PM
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I think because Australia and Japan are surrounded by water, it makes it easier to control.
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Sayoria
02/17/18 5:52:06 PM
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Even if the second amendment was amended, our country could never become Japan or Australia. We are beyond contaminated.
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electricbugs2
02/17/18 5:53:16 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...


Ahahaha, shut the fuck up.
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Genocet_10-325
02/17/18 5:53:32 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Even if the second amendment was amended, our country could never become Japan or Australia. We are beyond contaminated.


No, but it'd get better with time.
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hockeybub89
02/17/18 5:54:07 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Kajagogo posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.


So basically you're saying having guns is more important than the lives of children. Super!

Yes, the overarching right to defend oneself will always be more important than individual tragedies.


What if the tragedies are more likely than defending yourself? If the 2nd Amendment said we have the right to burn coal, would you be against anti-global warming initiatives?
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1NfamousACE_2
02/17/18 5:55:58 PM
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No one even cares about Australia
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Genocet_10-325
02/17/18 5:57:25 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Kajagogo posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Guess you can go live there.

Meanwhile we have a second amendment.


So basically you're saying having guns is more important than the lives of children. Super!

Yes, the overarching right to defend oneself will always be more important than individual tragedies.


What if the tragedies are more likely than defending yourself? If the 2nd Amendment said we have the right to burn coal, would you be against anti-global warming initiatives?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he doesn't believe in global warming
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LordFarquad1312
02/17/18 5:58:15 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Montreal has had 3 school shootings since 1989, and guns are banned there

Remind me, how many mass shootings have there been in the US in the past 6 months?
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Zack_Attackv1
02/17/18 5:59:26 PM
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EverDownward
02/17/18 6:02:30 PM
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Wherethisfeom posted...
frozenshock posted...
Montreal has had 3 school shootings since 1989, and guns are banned there

Ameribooing so hard he shits on the positives of his own country in defense of an obvious flaw of the US.
DiegoSanchez206 posted...
Imagine wanting to be like Japan.

Japan consistently ranks higher than the US in global quality of life, reputation, and best countries. The US should try to approach Japan before hanging with the other top shots.

Japan also has a very, very high rate of convictions. Hardly anyone in Japan is found innocent.
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DarthAragorn
02/17/18 6:03:13 PM
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EverDownward posted...
Wherethisfeom posted...
frozenshock posted...
Montreal has had 3 school shootings since 1989, and guns are banned there

Ameribooing so hard he shits on the positives of his own country in defense of an obvious flaw of the US.
DiegoSanchez206 posted...
Imagine wanting to be like Japan.

Japan consistently ranks higher than the US in global quality of life, reputation, and best countries. The US should try to approach Japan before hanging with the other top shots.

Japan also has a very, very high rate of convictions. Hardly anyone in Japan is found innocent.

Well just don't commit crimes then am I right haha
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BillyKidd
02/17/18 6:06:18 PM
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China had 31 people stabbed to death in a train station and guns are banned there.
Spain had 13 killed and 130 injured in a vehicle attack and people can get guns there.
Nigeria saw 500+ Christians in a city killed by machete
Colorado saw a man kill 6 people with an axe handle
South Korea saw 133 killed by a man that used gasoline and a lighter.
etc...
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frozenshock
02/17/18 6:06:25 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Well just don't commit crimes then am I right haha


Not committing crimes and getting convicted of a crime aren't mutually exclusive things you know.
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 6:07:06 PM
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http://wane.com/2017/01/20/3-killed-20-wounded-in-truck-australian-truck-attack/
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DarthAragorn
02/17/18 6:07:21 PM
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Wherethisfeom posted...
EverDownward posted...
Wherethisfeom posted...
frozenshock posted...
Montreal has had 3 school shootings since 1989, and guns are banned there

Ameribooing so hard he shits on the positives of his own country in defense of an obvious flaw of the US.
DiegoSanchez206 posted...
Imagine wanting to be like Japan.

Japan consistently ranks higher than the US in global quality of life, reputation, and best countries. The US should try to approach Japan before hanging with the other top shots.

Japan also has a very, very high rate of convictions. Hardly anyone in Japan is found innocent when charged.

And the US has a very very high rate of cops murdering anyone they don't like, getting paid vacations and then clearing themselves of any wrongdoing after investigating themselves. What a dumb deflection.

I don't think you know what very high rate means
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EverDownward
02/17/18 6:08:47 PM
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Wherethisfeom posted...
EverDownward posted...
Wherethisfeom posted...
frozenshock posted...
Montreal has had 3 school shootings since 1989, and guns are banned there

Ameribooing so hard he shits on the positives of his own country in defense of an obvious flaw of the US.
DiegoSanchez206 posted...
Imagine wanting to be like Japan.

Japan consistently ranks higher than the US in global quality of life, reputation, and best countries. The US should try to approach Japan before hanging with the other top shots.

Japan also has a very, very high rate of convictions. Hardly anyone in Japan is found innocent when charged.

And the US has a very very high rate of cops murdering anyone they don't like, getting paid vacations and then clearing themselves of any wrongdoing after investigating themselves. What a dumb deflection.

well the answer is obviously clear, we should move japan's judicial system and culture here. that'll solve everything, right? instead of being murdered you'll instead spend the rest of your life in a cell, forbidden from making a sound.
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hockeybub89
02/17/18 6:14:35 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
http://wane.com/2017/01/20/3-killed-20-wounded-in-truck-australian-truck-attack/

Are any form of non-gun attacks as frequent in Australia as gun attacks in America? I honestly understand the argument about the difference in gun culture, but can you argue that people in other developed nations without guns will kill each other just the same? The numbers don't seem to back it up. I don't even want to ban guns, but this is a poor deflection as America still just has more death. We clearly have some kind of problem that needs addressing. I know you will now respond with some variation of "Yeah X liberal policy".
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 6:19:38 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Are any form of non-gun attacks as frequent in Australia as gun attacks in America?

Attacks in general are rare in Australia, as they were before the gun ban. The fact that few attacks happened after the ban is statistically negligible.
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hockeybub89
02/17/18 6:21:12 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Are any form of non-gun attacks as frequent in Australia as gun attacks in America?

Attacks in general are rare in Australia, as they were before the gun ban. The fact that few attacks happened after the ban is statistically negligible.

What's wrong with America? Why are we a bunch of violent animals?

And if the attacks are so much more infrequent as you rightfully say, then what is your point with posting that truck attack?
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r4X0r
02/17/18 6:22:13 PM
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This is why informed, intelligent people can't take gun grabbers seriously. Two simple facts:

Australia did not "ban guns." They instituted a buyback. There are more guns in Australia now than there were before it.

Australia's homicide rate was in decline BEFORE that gun buyback.

So no, the gun ban that wasn't a gun ban was not responsible for the falling homicide rate that was already falling. The simple fact is that Australia's never had much of a problem with gun violence to begin with.
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hockeybub89
02/17/18 6:23:58 PM
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r4X0r posted...
There are more guns in Australia now than there were before it.

Then what's wrong with America? Why can't we behave with guns as well?
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r4X0r
02/17/18 6:25:27 PM
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How many of those police shootings were against armed and/or violent suspects, and how many resulted in a fatality?
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r4X0r
02/17/18 6:26:04 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
r4X0r posted...
There are more guns in Australia now than there were before it.

Then what's wrong with America? Why can't we behave with guns as well?


I could tell you, but posting statistics from the FBI is apparently "offensive" as determined by the moderation staff. Simple answer: Americans largely do.

If you aren't in a gang, aren't involved in the drug trade and don't break the law, your chances of being shot fall into statistical insignificance.
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hockeybub89
02/17/18 6:26:51 PM
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r4X0r posted...
How many of those police shootings were against armed and/or violent suspects, and how many resulted in a fatality?

Why doesn't Germany or Japan or any other modern country have this issue? What is wrong with America?
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Crazyman93
02/17/18 6:27:04 PM
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r4X0r
02/17/18 6:29:55 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
r4X0r posted...
How many of those police shootings were against armed and/or violent suspects, and how many resulted in a fatality?

Why doesn't Germany or Japan or any other modern country have this issue? What is wrong with America?


What "issue?" This is a country of 320 million people and when the police stop doing their jobs because they're told THEY are the ones causing the violence, you end up with situations like Baltimore.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/31/574824963/baltimore-residents-blame-record-high-murder-rate-on-lower-police-presence

Baltimore Residents Blame Record-High Murder Rate On Lower Police Presence

At the risk of sounding callous, those 458 police shootings are the cost of law and order. And once again, we have no idea how many of those shootings were justified and how many actually resulted in fatalities. The police shooting more armed violent people... isn't a bad thing.
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hockeybub89
02/17/18 6:30:07 PM
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r4X0r posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
r4X0r posted...
There are more guns in Australia now than there were before it.

Then what's wrong with America? Why can't we behave with guns as well?


I could tell you, but posting statistics from the FBI is apparently "offensive" as determined by the moderation staff. Simple answer: Americans largely do.

If you aren't in a gang, aren't involved in the drug trade and don't break the law, your chances of being shot fall into statistical insignificance.

I don't want statistics. I want to know why America has worse statistics on gun violence, mass tragedies, and deaths by cop than the rest of the civilized world. "Black people" is not an explanation. Why do Americans behave worse than their peers?
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r4X0r
02/17/18 6:31:42 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...

I don't want statistics. I want to know why America has worse statistics


Because Germans and Japanese are different than Americans. You're asking why different countries are different. ....because they're different. Why doesn't pineapple taste like steak? Because it's different.
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