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Jakyl25
02/22/18 12:43:10 PM
#329:


TheRock1525 posted...
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They just know what they want and theyre a million times better at fighting for it than Dems are.


I don't think they're better, I think they're just a lot easier to sympathize with.


Because they act like humans instead of politicians
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TheRock1525
02/22/18 12:46:18 PM
#330:


Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
They just know what they want and theyre a million times better at fighting for it than Dems are.


I don't think they're better, I think they're just a lot easier to sympathize with.


Because they act like humans instead of politicians


Right, but when they get old enough to run for office, they'll act like politicians, too.

And thus, the cycle is complete i.e. I'm sure Barack Obama sounded a lot like these kids when he was a community organizer.
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HaRRicH
02/22/18 12:57:16 PM
#331:


Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.
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CelesMyUserName
02/22/18 12:59:17 PM
#332:


http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/gradebook/2018/02/21/florida-house-approves-bill-to-post-in-god-we-trust-in-all-public-schools/

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literally a Thoughts & Prayers bill
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 12:59:50 PM
#333:


Its a TP bill alright
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TheRock1525
02/22/18 1:02:16 PM
#334:


HaRRicH posted...
Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.


Don't forget running ads saying that everyone death at the hands of an illegal immigrant is Dems' fault.
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:05:20 PM
#335:


https://twitter.com/jivedurkey/status/966701319795945473

CPAC is a...gun free zone?

The irony gods are appeased
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:10:16 PM
#336:


TheRock1525 posted...
HaRRicH posted...
Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.


Don't forget running ads saying that everyone death at the hands of an illegal immigrant is Dems' fault.


These arent LABELS though like those damn libs use lol

Maybe theyd feel better about if instead of calling them bigoted, we just repeatedly said that they willingly facilitate and receive privilege from a system designed by and for straight cis white males.
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Nelson_Mandela
02/22/18 1:12:12 PM
#337:


Jakyl25 posted...
Maybe theyd feel better about if instead of calling them bigoted, we just repeatedly said that they willingly facilitate and receive privilege from a system designed by and for straight cis white males.

Something tells me that Republican voters in Rust Belt states don't feel very "privileged"
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Nelson_Mandela
02/22/18 1:13:18 PM
#338:


HaRRicH posted...
Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.

Can't even recognize the difference

#ThisIsWhyYouLost
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:15:38 PM
#339:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Maybe theyd feel better about if instead of calling them bigoted, we just repeatedly said that they willingly facilitate and receive privilege from a system designed by and for straight cis white males.

Something tells me that Republican voters in Rust Belt states don't feel very "privileged"


That doesnt give them the right to oppress people
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:16:26 PM
#340:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
HaRRicH posted...
Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.

Can't even recognize the difference

#ThisIsWhyYouLost


Why did you lose though?
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Espeon
02/22/18 1:20:30 PM
#341:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
HaRRicH posted...
Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.

Can't even recognize the difference

#ThisIsWhyYouLost


We lost because Republicans are fragile snowflakes who think the world is out to get them, and Democrats are more capable of critical thought and thus arent easily swayed by charismatic conmen that give nothing but empty promises. We all know this already. But heaven forbid anyone SAY it, because you dont want to OFFEND the poor snowflakes.
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Mr Lasastryke
02/22/18 1:20:39 PM
#342:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Can't even recognize the difference

#ThisIsWhyYouLost


yeah, that was a silly harrich post. obviously there's a gigantic difference between saying democrats are not human and adequately describing racists and misogynists as racists and misogynists.
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Suprak the Stud
02/22/18 1:21:25 PM
#343:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
The fact is that:

-Being pro-2A does not mean you want to see schoolchildren get shot
-Being against illegal immigration does not mean you hate Mexicans
-Being against BLM-inspired rioting after a cop shooting does not make you racist
-Being for expanded drilling/mining does not mean you want to destroy the environment
-Being for traditional marriage does not make you a homophobe

I fully expect many of you to argue against these facts in subsequent posts, but this is how a large number of people feel they are being labeled. Your side will never win those people over when the conclusions against them are this extreme.

I'm trying to help you out! I would give my left nut for someone like Trump never to get a major party nomination again, but the libs are making this really difficult.


It wasn't just the democrats who lost this past cycle.

If the republicans really weren't REDACTED SO FEELING WON'T BE HURT, they had Kasich, they had Jeb!, they had Rubio, etc etc etc. They had options with much of the same policy but without the rhetoric. In fact, they had true conservative options, something Trump was not and never will be.

Instead they went for the rhetoric. They went with "blood coming out of her whatever". They went with "they're sending their rapists and some, I assume, are good people". They went with "grab her by the pussy". They wanted this over true conservatism, so it should let you know that there is a good chunk of Trump's base that isn't there just because "oh I support conservative ideas".
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Suprak the Stud
02/22/18 1:24:06 PM
#344:


Like would Kasich/Rubio/Jeb ever call countries "shithole countries"? Do you think they'd ever say that?

No?

Well, that's why they lost. There are a good chunk of the Republicans base that want that hatred, that vitriol, that extreme nationalism where everyone foreign is dirty and gross. #NotAllRepublicans, obviously, but hey, those Republicans lost and it wasn't even close. This wasn't the Dems where they didn't have any good, big name alternatives outside of Hillary and somehow Bernie Sanders almost got close to her regardless. This was a good field, and Trump massacred them.
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:26:54 PM
#345:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Like would Kasich/Rubio/Jeb ever call countries "shithole countries"? Do you think they'd ever say that?

No?

Well, that's why they lost. There are a good chunk of the Republicans base that want that hatred, that vitriol, that extreme nationalism where everyone foreign is dirty and gross. #NotAllRepublicans, obviously, but hey, those Republicans lost and it wasn't even close. This wasn't the Dems where they didn't have any good, big name alternatives outside of Hillary and somehow Bernie Sanders almost got close to her regardless. This was a good field, and Trump massacred them.


The same people that love Joe Arpaio and what he does
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:28:52 PM
#346:


My favorite Republicans are the ones that say I dont support Nazis but these libs are the reason people are drawn to them.
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Mr Lasastryke
02/22/18 1:29:27 PM
#347:


yeah, i love how sephy blames trump being president 100% on liberals and not on the """""conservative""""" idiots who supported trump just because they had their feelings hurt. "OMG THEY CALLED ME A RACIST BETTER GET THIS MORON INTO THE WHITE HOUSE!!" what are you, dense?

you're not a racist or a misogynist? good, then the attacks from the left don't apply to you. support a true conservative, not fucking donald j. trump.
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The Mana Sword
02/22/18 1:30:29 PM
#348:


https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/966737471697547264

Speaking to local and state officials on gun violence, Trump says we have to look at
the internet
video games
movies


oh no what are internet trump nerds going to do now
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Dancedreamer
02/22/18 1:30:43 PM
#349:


CelesMyUserName posted...
literally a Thoughts & Prayers bill


It's ridiculous. I mean did they forget churches have been shot up too?
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DeathChicken
02/22/18 1:38:10 PM
#350:


Gonna smash my internet with a hammer now to own thThe Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/966737471697547264

Speaking to local and state officials on gun violence, Trump says we have to look at
the internet
video games
movies


oh no what are internet trump nerds going to do now

Gonna smash my internet with a hammer now to own the
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:47:06 PM
#351:


https://twitter.com/kthomasdc/status/966733785202151427

Trump said he's considering pulling ICE out of California: "We're getting no help from the state of California. Frankly, if I wanted to pull our people from California you would have a crime nest like you would never seen in California."


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Nelson_Mandela
02/22/18 1:52:34 PM
#352:


Espeon posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
HaRRicH posted...
Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.

Can't even recognize the difference

#ThisIsWhyYouLost


We lost because Republicans are fragile snowflakes who think the world is out to get them, and Democrats are more capable of critical thought and thus arent easily swayed by charismatic conmen that give nothing but empty promises. We all know this already. But heaven forbid anyone SAY it, because you dont want to OFFEND the poor snowflakes.

That's fine! Just realize that you are keeping your principles while losing every tangible policy decision this decade.
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Nelson_Mandela
02/22/18 1:53:31 PM
#353:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
HaRRicH posted...
Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.

Can't even recognize the difference

#ThisIsWhyYouLost


Why did you lose though?

LFF
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:53:44 PM
#354:


Nelson_Mandela posted...

That's fine! Just realize that you are keeping your principles while losing every tangible policy decision this decade.


Gay marriage even pre-SCOTUS?
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Nelson_Mandela
02/22/18 1:55:54 PM
#355:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Espeon posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
HaRRicH posted...
Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.

Can't even recognize the difference

#ThisIsWhyYouLost


We lost because Republicans are fragile snowflakes who think the world is out to get them, and Democrats are more capable of critical thought and thus arent easily swayed by charismatic conmen that give nothing but empty promises. We all know this already. But heaven forbid anyone SAY it, because you dont want to OFFEND the poor snowflakes.

That's fine! Just realize that you are keeping your principles while losing every tangible policy decision this decade.

To expand on this, the GOP traded their ideals/principles for Justice Gorsuch. Do you really think they'd rather have their pride instead of a stranglehold on the Supreme Court for the foreseeable future?
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Nelson_Mandela
02/22/18 1:56:44 PM
#356:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...

That's fine! Just realize that you are keeping your principles while losing every tangible policy decision this decade.


Gay marriage even pre-SCOTUS?

I forgot that was after 2010. Also had virtually nothing to do with elected officials.
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Peace___Frog
02/22/18 1:56:47 PM
#357:


So he's not getting help and wants to punish them? How mature.
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:58:36 PM
#358:


Nelson_Mandela posted...

To expand on this, the GOP traded their ideals/principles for Justice Gorsuch. Do you really think they'd rather have their pride instead of a stranglehold on the Supreme Court for the foreseeable future?


LOL the status quo is a stranglehold?
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 1:59:45 PM
#359:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...

That's fine! Just realize that you are keeping your principles while losing every tangible policy decision this decade.


Gay marriage even pre-SCOTUS?

I forgot that was after 2010. Also had virtually nothing to do with elected officials.


Oh this is about elected officials pushing our agenda?

Theyre just our tools. In multiple senses of the word.
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Suprak the Stud
02/22/18 2:02:14 PM
#360:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
HaRRicH posted...
Are Democrats really the party guilty of extreme labeling when the Republican President under a month ago called Democrats who didn't clap for his speech treasonous? Or how about last year when one of the President's children couldn't even see Democrats as human?

Be careful throwing stones when your glass house is already shattered around you.

Can't even recognize the difference

#ThisIsWhyYouLost


Why did you lose though?

LFF


If you keep thinking this you are never going to get the Republican Party back. We're just trying to help you out here!
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Dancedreamer
02/22/18 2:02:29 PM
#361:


Republicans traded their principles? You can't really trade what you never had.
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Regaro
02/22/18 2:03:53 PM
#362:


Seph admitted that his political party has no ethics, ideals, or principles (and are thus utterly unqualified to lead a government)?

That was somewhat unexpected
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 2:06:14 PM
#363:


Regaro posted...
Seph admitted that his political party has no ethics, ideals, or principles (and are thus utterly unqualified to lead a government)?

That was somewhat unexpected


Thats what you get in a culture that teaches happiness and winning are related
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Regaro
02/22/18 2:08:11 PM
#364:


Jakyl25 posted...
Regaro posted...
Seph admitted that his political party has no ethics, ideals, or principles (and are thus utterly unqualified to lead a government)?

That was somewhat unexpected


Thats what you get in a culture that teaches happiness and winning are related

I guess even the uncivilized have culture.
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Nelson_Mandela
02/22/18 2:18:59 PM
#365:


Regaro posted...
Seph admitted that his political party has no ethics, ideals, or principles (and are thus utterly unqualified to lead a government)?

That was somewhat unexpected

I said that in certain cases, namely stonewalling Garland, the Party threw away ethics in order to "win." And I would argue that maintaining a 5-4 moderate/conservative majority on the Supreme Court as opposed to a 5-4 hardline progressive majority is one of the most consequential political events of our time. My point is that by not playing politics well (and ostensibly holding onto your principles), your party is losing a tangible policy battle.

Like would you rather see your candidates "sell out" if it meant advancing your most important policy goals? We live in a very Machiavellian time where I don't think you can always have it both ways.
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Nelson_Mandela
02/22/18 2:21:32 PM
#366:


I also think it's interesting that politics and our own personal lives are becoming so much more disparate in terms of ethics. For example, I think most of us would never do anything grossly unethical/immoral to, say, gain more money or advance our careers. However, if you are a senator who believes universal healthcare is going to save millions of lives, wouldn't the perceived benefits make it something worth doing anything in your power to achieve (unethical or not)?
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 2:22:04 PM
#367:


https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/966752151539240960

While elaborating on his proposal to arm teachers, Trump said, For instance, if the coaches - who I guarantee have plenty of experience with weapons...

Who does the president think is coaching school teams?!

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HaRRicH
02/22/18 2:27:05 PM
#368:


The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/966737471697547264

Speaking to local and state officials on gun violence, Trump says we have to look at
the internet
video games
movies


oh no what are internet trump nerds going to do now


Hillary-move, Donald.
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Espeon
02/22/18 2:27:56 PM
#369:


Ive said it before and Ill say it again:

If your party has devolved to the point where youre opening courting and emboldening white supremacists; where youre supporting a twice-impeached pedophile for a senate seat; where youre trying to steal healthcare from 23 million people in order to give more money to corporations that openly admit its not going to trickle down to the middle and lower classes; where youve elected president an elderly man child with a history of racism and sexual assault rather than elect a woman; where you openly dont care about a foreign power attacking our country...

If THATS what your party has become in order to win...why are you so sure the agenda THAT party is pushing is a good one WORTH selling your soul?
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CelesMyUserName
02/22/18 2:29:34 PM
#370:


The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/966737471697547264

Speaking to local and state officials on gun violence, Trump says we have to look at
the internet
video games
movies


oh no what are internet trump nerds going to do now

If there's one way to get the GamerGate alt-righters off the Trump Train this would be it.

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Mr Lasastryke
02/22/18 2:30:57 PM
#371:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Like would you rather see your candidates "sell out" if it meant advancing your most important policy goals?


no
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Jakyl25
02/22/18 2:31:33 PM
#372:


CelesMyUserName posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/966737471697547264

Speaking to local and state officials on gun violence, Trump says we have to look at
the internet
video games
movies


oh no what are internet trump nerds going to do now

If there's one way to get the GamerGate alt-righters off the Trump Train this would be it.

to the vlado topic


I dunno, he got them to hate net neutrality
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CelesMyUserName
02/22/18 2:37:17 PM
#373:


well I did say "would" over "will"!

I just don't think there's anything further beyond this point!
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HaRRicH
02/22/18 2:39:12 PM
#374:


"Ban video games ASAP, beginning with that bloodbath simulator Wolfenstein."
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Kenri
02/22/18 2:40:35 PM
#375:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/kthomasdc/status/966733785202151427

Trump said he's considering pulling ICE out of California: "We're getting no help from the state of California. Frankly, if I wanted to pull our people from California you would have a crime nest like you would never seen in California."


lol

@Trump fucking do it we don't want them here anyway
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LordoftheMorons
02/22/18 2:44:57 PM
#376:


Trump can drag his base to any position. That's kind of his whole thing; deeply held convictions don't exist and reality can be molded at will to be whatever is convenient at a given moment. Winning is all that matters.
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Ashethan
02/22/18 2:46:48 PM
#377:


Jakyl25 posted...
I dunno, he got them to hate net neutrality


Most of them hated Net Neutrality already though. Remember when they called it the 'Obamacare for the internet" in the most brazen attempt at showing their lack of understanding of the issue?

But I suspect they'll be okay with banning violent video games in the name of 'decency'. After all the only freedoms that matter are the 2nd amendment and the right to shove Jesus down as many people's throats as they want.
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ChaosTonyV4
02/22/18 2:46:59 PM
#378:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Regaro posted...
Seph admitted that his political party has no ethics, ideals, or principles (and are thus utterly unqualified to lead a government)?

That was somewhat unexpected

I said that in certain cases, namely stonewalling Garland, the Party threw away ethics in order to "win." And I would argue that maintaining a 5-4 moderate/conservative majority on the Supreme Court as opposed to a 5-4 hardline progressive majority is one of the most consequential political events of our time. My point is that by not playing politics well (and ostensibly holding onto your principles), your party is losing a tangible policy battle.

Like would you rather see your candidates "sell out" if it meant advancing your most important policy goals? We live in a very Machiavellian time where I don't think you can always have it both ways.


Replacing a hardline originalist like Scalia with a regular conservative like Gorsuch over a diehard moderate like Garland is not only worth admitting to sacrificing your ethics, but one of the most consequential political events of our lifetime??

Literally never attempt to claim the moral high ground ever again, and for what? Lmao
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