Current Events > Poll for Americans: Do you support a ban on firearms? (except police/military)

Topic List
Page List: 1, 2, 3
gbpxl
02/02/18 9:48:00 AM
#1:


Poll for Americans: Do you support a ban on firearms? (except police/military)


I know that outside of the U.S., attitudes about guns are vastly different. When Sandy Hook happened, I was staying at a hostel in Paris and was told by an Australian about what happened. I remember exactly where I was standing, who told me, etc. One of the Australians I spoke to told me that where they're from, no one cares about guns. I also met a French woman who basically shared the same sentiments.

On the other hand, in America, things are vastly different. I think that people in America are afraid to say that they support an outright ban on firearms. And I think that what people need to remember is that the same people who value the 2nd amendment so much also know how important the 1st amendment is as well. You are free to speak your mind, and they can't hurt you.

...

I support an all-out ban on firearms, and I don't care what the Constitution says about your militia.
... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro
02/02/18 9:49:40 AM
#2:


Nah, everyone should have a right to defend themselves.

I don't own any myself but I can definitely understand the appeal.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 9:51:22 AM
#3:


DevsBro posted...
Nah, everyone should have a right to defend themselves.

I don't own any myself but I can definitely understand the appeal.

What are your thoughts on mace, knives, swords, stun-guns, etc (non-lethal weapons)
... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms
02/02/18 9:52:54 AM
#4:


Proud gun owning liberal.
---
No sig.
... Copied to Clipboard!
ALIEN_WORK2HOP
02/02/18 9:55:31 AM
#5:


I'm German but I don't think guns should be completely banned. They aren't here either...shooting is a sport after all, and hunters need guns too.

I just don't think you should be able to walk into a walmart and walk out with a gun. It just needs to be expensive and hard as hell to get one. Like most permits for things are. if you consider yourself a responsible gun owner, you should have to prove it.
---
* * * * - Die Nummer 1 der Welt sind wir.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders.
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 9:59:55 AM
#6:


ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...
I'm German but I don't think guns should be completely banned. They aren't here either...shooting is a sport after all, and hunters need guns too.

I just don't think you should be able to walk into a walmart and walk out with a gun. It just needs to be expensive and hard as hell to get one. Like most permits for things are. if you consider yourself a responsible gun owner, you should have to prove it.

Is it hard to buy a gun in Germany? and what kind of guns are available to you?
... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes
02/02/18 10:02:05 AM
#7:


ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...
I'm German but I don't think guns should be completely banned. They aren't here either...shooting is a sport after all, and hunters need guns too.

I just don't think you should be able to walk into a walmart and walk out with a gun. It just needs to be expensive and hard as hell to get one. Like most permits for things are. if you consider yourself a responsible gun owner, you should have to prove it.


making things arbitrarily expensive is classism
---
I don't think so, Tim.
~~ Pizza Crew ~~
... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation
02/02/18 10:03:27 AM
#8:


ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...
I just don't think you should be able to walk into a walmart and walk out with a gun. It just needs to be expensive and hard as hell to get one.


Why would you make a gun artificially expensive? If a low income person can afford the price that a gun manufacturer or store is asking, why do you want to force an artificially high price on them.
---
There's no business to be taxed.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman
02/02/18 10:07:31 AM
#9:


I wish people can be more educated about guns and I wish guns weren't romanticized like they are, but I'm against a total ban. People should be able to defend themselves, and I do agree with the founding fathers in that the people should have access to guns to fight a corrupt/totalitarian government. People find that idea laughable, but would you rather have a slim chance or no chance?

Each political "side" (in a general, stereotypical sense) seems to be completely backwards when it comes to gun. Liberals should be more for guns. They know how the police and military can't be entirely trusted, but many of them think only they should have guns. On the other side, conservatives (again I'm heavily generalizing) have a strong trust in authority yet claim to own guns for fighting said authority just in case. A lot of these very hardcore 2nd amendment conservatives actively defend the abuses of authority and government all the time and would more than likely call an insurrection terrorism.
---
http://i.imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg
When I sin I sin real good.
... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees
02/02/18 10:09:54 AM
#10:


America has so much firearm proliferation that there really is no point in banning them. Your best bet if you dont agree with gun ownership is to try and move to a place (basically any actually civilized place in the world and most of the uncivilized places too) where you arent going to have to worry about some fucker shooting up your children and possibly you because of the failure of the American system.

America is a land for animals who act like freedom is the right to be murdered in cold blood instead of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. When they look back at this time in American history all anyone is going to do is shake their head and connect the dots on how such a great country fell to corruption and barbarism
---
Quit Crying
... Copied to Clipboard!
ALIEN_WORK2HOP
02/02/18 10:11:39 AM
#11:


gbpxl posted...
Is it hard to buy a gun in Germany? and what kind of guns are available to you?


I don't own a permit to own a gun and I don't own a permit to use the gun. I wouldn't know where to buy a gun here tbh.

Philoktetes posted...
making things arbitrarily expensive is classism


DifferentialEquation posted...
Why would you make a gun artificially expensive?


I'm saying make the permit expensive, not the gun. Ok then it's classicism...so? If you really want a killing tool, save up. Iphones costing 800 bucks never stopped poor people from getting them.
---
* * * * - Die Nummer 1 der Welt sind wir.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders.
... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms
02/02/18 10:14:24 AM
#12:


It's impossible to ban guns in America and I'm sure most politicians who want to ban them know that. Which is why it hasn't happened and won't happen.
---
No sig.
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:15:14 AM
#13:


creativerealms posted...
It's impossible to ban guns in America and I'm sure most politicians who want to ban them know that. Which is why it hasn't happened and won't happen.

They said it was impossible to go the moon.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm
02/02/18 10:15:37 AM
#14:


No but everyone should be required to take a gun safety course in middle school.
---
I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom
http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS
02/02/18 10:17:01 AM
#15:


no, every country who has major gun control and next to no gun crime is wrong and the US is right.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex
02/02/18 10:17:13 AM
#16:


Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States

So excuse me for not giving the slightest FUCK about the 10k or so firearm homicides.
---
"Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:19:35 AM
#17:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

Cigarettes are different. When a cigarette kills, it only kills the person who bought the cigarette. When a gun kills, it kills everyone around the person who bought the gun.
... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro
02/02/18 10:20:13 AM
#18:


What are your thoughts on mace, knives, swords, stun-guns, etc (non-lethal weapons)

Knifes and swords I wouldn't consider non-lethal but about non-lethal weapons in particular, I wouldn't expect them to be as effective as a deterrent but also consider that the aggressor could have a gun even if they're illegal, and here you are with a can of mace.

I don't really know a lot about it but I wouldn't guess a handgun or civil semi-auto rifle had much disadvantage against an illegally-obtained fully-automatic rifle if it's just you and the aggressor. At least not ad much so as a knife.

I don't have any weapons, actually. I do have this one giant knife I got as a gift once but it's more of a hunting knife I think, and I can't tell you where it is in my house. Probably the closet.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms
02/02/18 10:20:54 AM
#19:


gbpxl posted...
creativerealms posted...
It's impossible to ban guns in America and I'm sure most politicians who want to ban them know that. Which is why it hasn't happened and won't happen.

They said it was impossible to go the moon.

There is no law in the constitution saying we could never go to the moon. Also there were not armed militia groups and half the government threatening revolt if we ever tried to go to the moon. So its a different type of impossible.

Do you realize how many lives would be lost if the US government tried to take away guns? It would be a bloody war.
---
No sig.
... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS
02/02/18 10:21:21 AM
#20:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States

So excuse me for not giving the slightest FUCK about the 10k or so firearm homicides.


there's a difference between banning guns and banning drugs. last i checked, you cant just grow your own guns
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:22:34 AM
#21:


DevsBro posted...
What are your thoughts on mace, knives, swords, stun-guns, etc (non-lethal weapons)

Knifes and swords I wouldn't consider non-lethal but about non-lethal weapons in particular, I wouldn't expect them to be as effective as a deterrent but also consider that the aggressor could have a gun even if they're illegal, and here you are with a can of mace.

I don't really know a lot about it but I wouldn't guess a handgun or civil semi-auto rifle had much disadvantage against an illegally-obtained fully-automatic rifle if it's just you and the aggressor. At least not ad much so as a knife.

I don't have any weapons, actually. I do have this one giant knife I got as a gift once but it's more of a hunting knife I think, and I can't tell you where it is in my house. Probably the closet.

Where do you draw the line on what kind of weapons someone can own? Semi-automatic assault rifle?
Fully auto machine guns? Gatling gun? Nuclear missile launcher?
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:23:28 AM
#22:


AlternativeFAQS posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States

So excuse me for not giving the slightest FUCK about the 10k or so firearm homicides.


there's a difference between banning guns and banning drugs. last i checked, you cant just grow your own guns

check again, 3D printed guns are taking off now.
... Copied to Clipboard!
#23
Post #23 was unavailable or deleted.
AlternativeFAQS
02/02/18 10:25:06 AM
#24:


no they arent. and the average criminal who would use a gun wouldn't be able to afford to buy a 3D printer that could make one
... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink
02/02/18 10:25:23 AM
#25:


AlternativeFAQS posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States

So excuse me for not giving the slightest FUCK about the 10k or so firearm homicides.

there's a difference between banning guns and banning drugs. last i checked, you cant just grow your own guns

Nope, but we can 3D print an AR-15.
---
'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:25:24 AM
#26:


creativerealms posted...
gbpxl posted...
creativerealms posted...
It's impossible to ban guns in America and I'm sure most politicians who want to ban them know that. Which is why it hasn't happened and won't happen.

They said it was impossible to go the moon.

There is no law in the constitution saying we could never go to the moon. Also there were not armed militia groups and half the government threatening revolt if we ever tried to go to the moon. So its a different type of impossible.

Do you realize how many lives would be lost if the US government tried to take away guns? It would be a bloody war.

actually they're trying to do that right now. after that nutjob killed all those people in that Texas church last year, the ATF decided they're gonna try and get back all the guns that were sold to people like the Texas shooter; people who had criminal backgrounds but somehow slipped through the cracks
... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS
02/02/18 10:25:46 AM
#27:


AssultTank posted...
I mean... I could make a makeshift gun with some pvc pipe, a mousetrap, and a nail. Technically dont even need the mousetrap...


and this is why I don't do this
... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenmyouji
02/02/18 10:26:51 AM
#28:


Against banning, but it's far too easy to acquire one as is. Better regulation is needed.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
ALIEN_WORK2HOP
02/02/18 10:26:54 AM
#29:


gbpxl posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States

So excuse me for not giving the slightest FUCK about the 10k or so firearm homicides.


there's a difference between banning guns and banning drugs. last i checked, you cant just grow your own guns

check again, 3D printed guns are taking off now.


never seen anyone walk into a school or a movie theater and kill people with a pack of cigs.
never seen a guy shoot a bunch of people at a concert out of his hotel window with a cigarette.
never seen a toddler blow off his sisters head with a cig
never seen a depressed dude take his own life when he had a bad moment with a pack of marlboros.
never seen cops shoot someone cause they thought he had a cigarette in his hand
---
* * * * - Die Nummer 1 der Welt sind wir.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass
02/02/18 10:27:51 AM
#30:


gbpxl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

Cigarettes are different. When a cigarette kills, it only kills the person who bought the cigarette. When a gun kills, it kills everyone around the person who bought the gun.

2nd and 3rd hand smoke aren't exactly healthy for people.
---
Many Bothans died to bring you this post.
... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro
02/02/18 10:28:38 AM
#31:


Cigarettes are different. When a cigarette kills, it only kills the person who bought the cigarette. When a gun kills, it kills everyone around the person who bought the gun.

Not true. Second-hand smoke results in about 40k deaths per year and more than half of gun deaths are suicides, according to these articles:

http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/health-effects-of-secondhand-smoke.html
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS
02/02/18 10:28:44 AM
#32:


https://3dprint.com/21109/3d-print-metal-gun-reason/

this site goes into pretty good detail about 3D printed guns. basically even if you can afford a printer and call the materials (thousands of dollars) making each gun is still expensive as fuck.
... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink
02/02/18 10:28:52 AM
#33:


gbpxl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

Cigarettes are different. When a cigarette kills, it only kills the person who bought the cigarette. When a gun kills, it kills everyone around the person who bought the gun.

Wow. So much fail.

Like, do you not know what second-hand smoke does? Just as lethal as actually smoking.

And if buying a gun is so deadly, gangbangers wouldn't exist.
---
'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:30:53 AM
#34:


ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...
gbpxl posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States

So excuse me for not giving the slightest FUCK about the 10k or so firearm homicides.


there's a difference between banning guns and banning drugs. last i checked, you cant just grow your own guns

check again, 3D printed guns are taking off now.


never seen anyone walk into a school or a movie theater and kill people with a pack of cigs.
never seen a guy shoot a bunch of people at a concert out of his hotel window with a cigarette.
never seen a toddler blow off his sisters head with a cig
never seen a depressed dude take his own life when he had a bad moment with a pack of marlboros.
never seen cops shoot someone cause they thought he had a cigarette in his hand
thanks for this post, you basically said it better than I could have

cigs just kill the individual with their own consent. guns kill everyone else, without their consent. how someone couldn't understand why one is worse than the other is beyond me.
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:31:41 AM
#35:


darkjedilink posted...
gbpxl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

Cigarettes are different. When a cigarette kills, it only kills the person who bought the cigarette. When a gun kills, it kills everyone around the person who bought the gun.

Wow. So much fail.

Like, do you not know what second-hand smoke does? Just as lethal as actually smoking.

And if buying a gun is so deadly, gangbangers wouldn't exist.

second smoke is less deadly than a mass shooting... I can't believe I even have to say that LOL...
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:33:48 AM
#36:


DevsBro posted...
Cigarettes are different. When a cigarette kills, it only kills the person who bought the cigarette. When a gun kills, it kills everyone around the person who bought the gun.

Not true. Second-hand smoke results in about 40k deaths per year and more than half of gun deaths are suicides, according to these articles:

http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/health-effects-of-secondhand-smoke.html
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html

the difference there too is I can run away from second hand smoke. I can't run way from a bullet. nice try though
... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink
02/02/18 10:34:54 AM
#37:


gbpxl posted...
darkjedilink posted...
gbpxl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

Cigarettes are different. When a cigarette kills, it only kills the person who bought the cigarette. When a gun kills, it kills everyone around the person who bought the gun.

Wow. So much fail.

Like, do you not know what second-hand smoke does? Just as lethal as actually smoking.

And if buying a gun is so deadly, gangbangers wouldn't exist.

second smoke is less deadly than a mass shooting... I can't believe I even have to say that LOL...

Not according to all actual data.
---
'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
... Copied to Clipboard!
#38
Post #38 was unavailable or deleted.
DevsBro
02/02/18 10:36:14 AM
#39:


Where do you draw the line on what kind of weapons someone can own? Semi-automatic assault rifle?
Fully auto machine guns? Gatling gun? Nuclear missile launcher?

That last one is obviously not very useful for self-defense, but I'm not really educated enough to be drawing lines.

I'm not sure what the purpose of the question is anyway. The line is always a consideration with everything.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
QassTank
02/02/18 10:37:36 AM
#40:


GregShmedley posted...
gbpxl posted...
second smoke is less deadly than a mass shooting... I can't believe I even have to say that LOL...


Why are mass shootings the main argument against guns when they make up but a fraction of overall gun deaths?

And going by numbers, second hand smoke kills more than guns overall.

Because they don't want to address the gang violence that causes to more of the gun deaths than any other single source. That would mean admitting that semi-automatic hunting rifles aren't the problem, and the problem is the Glock 19.
---
John 6:53 Jesus promoting cannibalism.
AssultTank at work! Work PC 1 account.
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:41:43 AM
#41:


darkjedilink posted...
gbpxl posted...
darkjedilink posted...
gbpxl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Firearms kill less people than smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes provide less benefit to society than firearms.

If you can't justify a cigarette ban, which would be a prohibition that would actually work. Stay the fuck off my guns.

Cigarettes are different. When a cigarette kills, it only kills the person who bought the cigarette. When a gun kills, it kills everyone around the person who bought the gun.

Wow. So much fail.

Like, do you not know what second-hand smoke does? Just as lethal as actually smoking.

And if buying a gun is so deadly, gangbangers wouldn't exist.

second smoke is less deadly than a mass shooting... I can't believe I even have to say that LOL...

Not according to all actual data.

If cigs are more deadly, why is it that when people want to kill others, their weapon of choice is a gun and not a cigarette?
... Copied to Clipboard!
Itachi157
02/02/18 10:42:47 AM
#42:


No
... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM
02/02/18 10:43:23 AM
#43:


No, because that would be unbelievably fucking stupid and dangerous.
---
proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:43:27 AM
#44:


GregShmedley posted...
gbpxl posted...
second smoke is less deadly than a mass shooting... I can't believe I even have to say that LOL...


Why are mass shootings the main argument against guns when they make up but a fraction of overall gun deaths?

And going by numbers, second hand smoke kills more than guns overall.

If second hand smoke is more deadly than guns, why is it that people who try to kill others are choosing to do so with guns over cigarettes?
... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar
02/02/18 10:43:54 AM
#45:


Nah
---
kin to all that throbs
... Copied to Clipboard!
#46
Post #46 was unavailable or deleted.
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:44:14 AM
#47:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
No, because that would be unbelievably fucking stupid and dangerous.

it worked in Australia. after they banned guns in 1996, they stopped having mass shootings
... Copied to Clipboard!
#48
Post #48 was unavailable or deleted.
Anarchy_Juiblex
02/02/18 10:45:42 AM
#49:


gbpxl posted...
Cigarettes are different.


Duh.
But it's still such a small number, it's the same logic the radical left uses to not be concerned about terrorists, it's fucking nothing statistically.

gbpxl posted...
When a gun kills, it kills everyone around the person who bought the gun.


lol.
Actually, most firearm deaths are suicides. It's like 4-5 times the murders.
---
"Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali
... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl
02/02/18 10:45:57 AM
#50:


GregShmedley posted...
gbpxl posted...
If second hand smoke is more deadly than guns, why is it that people who try to kill others are choosing to do so with guns over cigarettes?


Why did you ignore my first part?

And...why are you being purposfully dense?

Answer my question first, then I'll answer yours.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1, 2, 3