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darkjedilink
02/01/18 4:31:55 PM
#52:


Balrog0 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
It literally isn't a higher bar, dude. Like, do you even know what's involved in order to legally purchase a firearm?


Yeah, I own more than one gun, including a mossberg I bought at Walmart. It is a much higher bar, you don't need to do anything to buy a gun except pay for it. With the driving test you need to pass at least two tests, one written and one skills

So, you bought a gun at Walmart without a background check?

That isn't legal anywhere in America...
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Axiom
02/01/18 4:34:26 PM
#53:


darkjedilink posted...
Balrog0 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
It literally isn't a higher bar, dude. Like, do you even know what's involved in order to legally purchase a firearm?


Yeah, I own more than one gun, including a mossberg I bought at Walmart. It is a much higher bar, you don't need to do anything to buy a gun except pay for it. With the driving test you need to pass at least two tests, one written and one skills

So, you bought a gun at Walmart without a background check?

That isn't legal anywhere in America...

Wtf do background checks have to do with teaching gun owners to be more responsible

Oh wait didn't see who posted this. You're just shitposting
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Balrog0
02/01/18 4:36:35 PM
#54:


darkjedilink posted...
Balrog0 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
It literally isn't a higher bar, dude. Like, do you even know what's involved in order to legally purchase a firearm?


Yeah, I own more than one gun, including a mossberg I bought at Walmart. It is a much higher bar, you don't need to do anything to buy a gun except pay for it. With the driving test you need to pass at least two tests, one written and one skills

So, you bought a gun at Walmart without a background check?

That isn't legal anywhere in America...


Hmm why is passing a background check a. higher bar than passing a test?
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Balrog0
02/01/18 4:37:45 PM
#55:


I mean yes they did do one but I didn't have to do anything special to pass it. I also already owned a gun I had purchased from a family member!
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TheVipaGTS
02/01/18 4:43:10 PM
#56:


you still have to pass two tests and show that you can safely operate a vehicle by the law to be legally allowed to drive. Im suggesting something like that for guns. IMO the level set for that kind of test should be higher for guns.

You did misrepresent what I said. Its the law deal with it! Is an argument I think is foolish in this case. Its a law we can change to be a safer and smarter nation. When I said stop hiding behind it Im talking about people who refuse to entertain suggestions like this one because the constitution!. Were several years removed from that law being created. It wont hurt anyone to look into it and add in some safety amendment (Hey...) to make things safer.
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 4:47:00 PM
#57:


TheVipaGTS posted...
you still have to pass two tests and show that you can safely operate a vehicle by the law to be legally allowed to drive. Im suggesting something like that for guns. IMO the level set for that kind of test should be higher for guns.

You did misrepresent what I said. Its the law deal with it! Is an argument I think is foolish in this case. Its a law we can change to be a safer and smarter nation. When I said stop hiding behind it Im talking about people who refuse to entertain suggestions like this one because the constitution!. Were several years removed from that law being created. It wont hurt anyone to look into it and add in some safety amendment (Hey...) to make things safer.

When cars kill more people every year than guns - by a HUGE margin, why does the bar need to be higher for guns?

And, for the millionth time, what law can you pass that won't violate the Second Amendment would have prevented any mass shooting in this country that we don't already have?
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 4:47:52 PM
#58:


Balrog0 posted...
Hmm why is passing a background check a. higher bar than passing a test?

You're kidding, right?
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Balrog0
02/01/18 4:50:32 PM
#59:


darkjedilink posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Hmm why is passing a background check a. higher bar than passing a test?

You're kidding, right?


No, why would that be a joke? Pretty much everyone is born not being a felon or domestic abuser, and conservatives usually say not. being criminal is super simple in most contexts right?
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 4:52:30 PM
#60:


Balrog0 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Hmm why is passing a background check a. higher bar than passing a test?

You're kidding, right?


No, why would that be a joke? Pretty much everyone is born not being a felon or domestic abuser, and conservatives usually say not. being criminal is super simple in most contexts right?

Literally 'but conservatives.'
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Sami1000
02/01/18 4:53:25 PM
#61:


Were_Wyrm posted...
This wouldn't be a problem is we would just ban guns from school.


What.the.fuck!? You don't already do that?
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 4:54:35 PM
#62:


Sami1000 posted...
Were_Wyrm posted...
This wouldn't be a problem is we would just ban guns from school.

What.the.fuck!? You don't already do that?

We do, actually. They literally created the 'gun free zone' for public schools.
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Balrog0
02/01/18 4:54:38 PM
#63:


darkjedilink posted...
Balrog0 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Hmm why is passing a background check a. higher bar than passing a test?

You're kidding, right?


No, why would that be a joke? Pretty much everyone is born not being a felon or domestic abuser, and conservatives usually say not. being criminal is super simple in most contexts right?

Literally 'but conservatives.'


No, that's just part of it, but it is the easier part for you to highlight so you don't actually need to respond!
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Twin3Turbo
02/01/18 5:01:29 PM
#64:


darkjedilink posted...
Balrog0 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Hmm why is passing a background check a. higher bar than passing a test?

You're kidding, right?


No, why would that be a joke? Pretty much everyone is born not being a felon or domestic abuser, and conservatives usually say not. being criminal is super simple in most contexts right?

Literally 'but conservatives.'

Even though he literally typed "but conservatives", it's in no way the same context that people typically mock the "but liberals" or "but Hillary" meme. You're not even trying anymore.
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Balrog0
02/01/18 5:02:08 PM
#65:


Twin3Turbo posted...
he literally typed "but conservatives"


I actually said 'and conservatives' thank you!

:p
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Dark_Spiret
02/01/18 5:04:07 PM
#66:


the problem with gun training is that theres not much to it. fallow the 4 basic rules (which are extremely common sense). thats it and make sure they know the dangers and workings of the device. after that its up to the individual how they use it. its a gun, theres only so much you can actually teach about it.

and you really cant compare cars to guns. theres a LOT more involved with vehicles of which worse case scenario if you screw up then a hell of a more more people can die. mess up with a gun and at most 1 person is dead. of which there are double the amount of registered drivers than there are gun owners and yet there are something like 25x more vehicle accidents and deaths compared to firearms.
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SapphireOfChaos
02/01/18 5:04:14 PM
#67:


*thoughts and prayers intensifies*
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Stallion_Prime
02/01/18 5:04:24 PM
#68:


Why cant you fucks go 1 minute without pushing your pos political agendas. Ugh
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A_Good_Boy
02/01/18 5:07:05 PM
#69:


Thoughts and prayers
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Twin3Turbo
02/01/18 5:09:39 PM
#70:


Balrog0 posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
he literally typed "but conservatives"


I actually said 'and conservatives' thank you!

:p

Damn you're right. Should have known I couldn't have trusted him to represent someone else's post without being disingenuous
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sktgamer_13dude
02/01/18 5:11:12 PM
#71:


Why do people still respond to joke accounts like DE and darkjedilink. Even if youre right, theyll never admit it so its like talking to a brick wall.
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Tmaster148
02/01/18 5:12:01 PM
#72:


Dark_Spiret posted...
the problem with gun training is that theres not much to it. fallow the 4 basic rules (which are extremely common sense)


You would hope they are common sense, but the average person is dumb. In practice it's better to teach things that seem like common sense, because you never know if they actually are.
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Twin3Turbo
02/01/18 5:12:07 PM
#73:


Dark_Spiret posted...
there are double the amount of registered drivers than there are gun owners and yet there are something like 25x more vehicle injurys compared to firearms.

This is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Driving is a daily thing for most adults. Even if you own a gun, for most people it's not a daily thing they interact with. They tend to keep it locked up somewhere.
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TheVipaGTS
02/01/18 5:14:18 PM
#74:


darkjedilink posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
you still have to pass two tests and show that you can safely operate a vehicle by the law to be legally allowed to drive. Im suggesting something like that for guns. IMO the level set for that kind of test should be higher for guns.

You did misrepresent what I said. Its the law deal with it! Is an argument I think is foolish in this case. Its a law we can change to be a safer and smarter nation. When I said stop hiding behind it Im talking about people who refuse to entertain suggestions like this one because the constitution!. Were several years removed from that law being created. It wont hurt anyone to look into it and add in some safety amendment (Hey...) to make things safer.

When cars kill more people every year than guns - by a HUGE margin, why does the bar need to be higher for guns?

And, for the millionth time, what law can you pass that won't violate the Second Amendment would have prevented any mass shooting in this country that we don't already have?

What are you not understanding here? Im just suggesting we have tests in place when purchasing a gun just as we do with driving. I never said anything about preventing mass shootings. I said it would make sense and could lead to safer gun use. You say cars kill more people. We as a nation understand the severity of that and have laws and rules in place to help diminish that. Without that it would be even worse. A guns main intent is to harm. Be it in rage or for fun/sport. It has one purpose. We should understand the severity of that and have similar tests in place. We know it wont completely Eliminate tragedy but what harm does it do?

People can drive without a license technically. But regulating it does make the roads safer dont you think?
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Denzien_of_Sega
02/01/18 5:15:36 PM
#75:


27_Sandman_40 posted...
Girl kills ex at a school - national news
Black boy killed by gang member at a school - *crickets*

Fucking disgusting.

Hey.... let's not do that now.
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 5:23:51 PM
#76:


TheVipaGTS posted...
darkjedilink posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
you still have to pass two tests and show that you can safely operate a vehicle by the law to be legally allowed to drive. Im suggesting something like that for guns. IMO the level set for that kind of test should be higher for guns.

You did misrepresent what I said. Its the law deal with it! Is an argument I think is foolish in this case. Its a law we can change to be a safer and smarter nation. When I said stop hiding behind it Im talking about people who refuse to entertain suggestions like this one because the constitution!. Were several years removed from that law being created. It wont hurt anyone to look into it and add in some safety amendment (Hey...) to make things safer.

When cars kill more people every year than guns - by a HUGE margin, why does the bar need to be higher for guns?

And, for the millionth time, what law can you pass that won't violate the Second Amendment would have prevented any mass shooting in this country that we don't already have?

What are you not understanding here? Im just suggesting we have tests in place when purchasing a gun just as we do with driving. I never said anything about preventing mass shootings. I said it would make sense and could lead to safer gun use. You say cars kill more people. We as a nation understand the severity of that and have laws and rules in place to help diminish that. Without that it would be even worse. A guns main intent is to harm. Be it in rage or for fun/sport. It has one purpose. We should understand the severity of that and have similar tests in place. We know it wont completely Eliminate tragedy but what harm does it do?

People can drive without a license technically. But regulating it does make the roads safer dont you think?

Roads are still more dangerous than guns, despite your assertion that it's easier to get a gun than to drive. Do you just not understand that this fact kills your narrative even BEFORE Contitutionality comes into play?

Your test idea is literally against the Second AND Fourteenth Amendments, as it's constitutionally equivalent to a poll tax. Voting anf firearm ownership are FUNDAMENTAL rights as defined by the Constitution. Ergo, if a regulation wouldn't fly for one, it cannot constitutionally apply to the other.

The Constitution is literally your enemy here. If you want to amend out the Second Amendment, I would love to see you try.
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flussence
02/01/18 5:24:58 PM
#77:


ModLogic posted...
so when is america gonna actually do something about their gun problems?

dude
what if we put guns on the blockchaaaaain
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Hexenherz
02/01/18 5:27:32 PM
#78:


14 school shootings as of this last one: https://www.abc15.com/news/data/school-shootings-in-u-s-when-where-each-shooting-has-occurred-in-2018
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Bishop9800
02/01/18 5:27:58 PM
#79:


darkjedilink posted...
Roads are still more dangerous than guns,

Wtf? Really?
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 5:28:47 PM
#80:


Hexenherz posted...
14 school shootings as of this last one: https://www.abc15.com/news/data/school-shootings-in-u-s-when-where-each-shooting-has-occurred-in-2018

Most of those aren't actually school shootings...
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Dark_Spiret
02/01/18 5:30:52 PM
#81:


Twin3Turbo posted...
This is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Driving is a daily thing for most adults. Even if you own a gun, for most people it's not a daily thing they interact with. They tend to keep it locked up somewhere.
and once again, a gun is a gun. keep your finger of the trigger and dont point it at anyone. thats basically it when you get down to it. it doesnt require years of practice to not be an idiot.
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TheVipaGTS
02/01/18 6:01:34 PM
#82:


Who cares if roads are still more dangerous? This isnt a game of who kills more. Im just suggesting that since guns require a lot of responsibility like driving we should create tests that allow users to demonstrate they have that responsibility before they can own one. Im using driving as a measure because its a common thing that we all know about and can be built off of and modified for owning weapons.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 6:09:46 PM
#84:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Who cares if roads are still more dangerous? This isnt a game of who kills more. Im just suggesting that since guns require a lot of responsibility like driving we should create tests that allow users to demonstrate they have that responsibility before they can own one. Im using driving as a measure because its a common thing that we all know about and can be built off of and modified for owning weapons.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Because:

1 - it hasn't made driving safer, so there's no reason to believe it would make firearm ownership safer.

2 - it's unconstitutional, so even the suggestion is absolutely stupid.
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TheVipaGTS
02/01/18 6:11:27 PM
#85:


27_Sandman_40 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Who cares if roads are still more dangerous? This isnt a game of who kills more. Im just suggesting that since guns require a lot of responsibility like driving we should create tests that allow users to demonstrate they have that responsibility before they can own one. Im using driving as a measure because its a common thing that we all know about and can be built off of and modified for owning weapons.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?


The 15 year old girl would not be elligible for the test.

This discussion has clearly evolved past that.
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 6:14:11 PM
#86:


TheVipaGTS posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Who cares if roads are still more dangerous? This isnt a game of who kills more. Im just suggesting that since guns require a lot of responsibility like driving we should create tests that allow users to demonstrate they have that responsibility before they can own one. Im using driving as a measure because its a common thing that we all know about and can be built off of and modified for owning weapons.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?


The 15 year old girl would not be elligible for the test.

This discussion has clearly evolved past that.

No, it didn't. You, like every gun control liberal in America, just wanted to use a tragedy to decry gun ownership and discuss gun control, even though the policy suggested would do NOTHING to prevent gun crimes.
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Bishop9800
02/01/18 6:16:11 PM
#88:


27_Sandman_40 posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
Girl kills ex at a school - national news
Black boy killed by gang member at a school - *crickets*

Fucking disgusting.


This
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 6:16:52 PM
#89:


27_Sandman_40 posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
Girl kills ex at a school - national news
Black boy killed by gang member at a school - *crickets*

Fucking disgusting.

Nobody can talk about gang violence without being called racist, so why bother?
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RockLee94
02/01/18 6:17:42 PM
#90:


Antifar posted...
I'm glad that we're seeing young girls realize that they too can be school shooters. Another glass ceiling breaks!


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TheVipaGTS
02/01/18 6:17:50 PM
#91:


darkjedilink posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Who cares if roads are still more dangerous? This isnt a game of who kills more. Im just suggesting that since guns require a lot of responsibility like driving we should create tests that allow users to demonstrate they have that responsibility before they can own one. Im using driving as a measure because its a common thing that we all know about and can be built off of and modified for owning weapons.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?


The 15 year old girl would not be elligible for the test.

This discussion has clearly evolved past that.

No, it didn't. You, like every gun control liberal in America, just wanted to use a tragedy to decry gun ownership and discuss gun control, even though the policy suggested would do NOTHING to prevent gun crimes.

The conversation about gun control started because people made posts sarcastically mocking Californias gun laws. Get over yourself. With regard to those case I suggested that its odd that a 15 year old had access to a gun and maybe the person who she got it from should also face some sort of consequences. That seemed to upset you for some reason.
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Balrog0
02/01/18 6:19:41 PM
#92:


imo roads are very dangerous and we should do more to stop that, but from my perspective the big difference is that the gubmint owns most of the roads and the gubmint does not own most of the guns (and they exclude their guns from their regulations anyway) so the comparison is bad because the right way to fight road accidents is actually to just stop using gubmint money to build so many damn roads but hey
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mario2000
02/01/18 6:21:17 PM
#93:


darkjedilink posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
Girl kills ex at a school - national news
Black boy killed by gang member at a school - *crickets*

Fucking disgusting.

Nobody can talk about gang violence without being called racist, so why bother?

maybe you shouldn't talk about it in a racist manner then
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3deep5u
02/01/18 6:21:45 PM
#94:


I will attempt to stack two perfectly spherical rocks on top of each other and then do ten laps of summersaults around the stack and send my realizations afterwards via telekinesis to the individuals affected by this.
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I4NRulez
02/01/18 6:21:47 PM
#95:


Tmaster148 posted...
gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
A young girl is not buying a gun from anyone. Mostly likely their parents failed to properly secure their guns.

Lol what fairy tale land did you grow up in.


In what fairy tale do you live in that a 15 year old can go out and buy a gun?


LA lol
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 6:27:13 PM
#96:


TheVipaGTS posted...
darkjedilink posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Who cares if roads are still more dangerous? This isnt a game of who kills more. Im just suggesting that since guns require a lot of responsibility like driving we should create tests that allow users to demonstrate they have that responsibility before they can own one. Im using driving as a measure because its a common thing that we all know about and can be built off of and modified for owning weapons.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

The 15 year old girl would not be elligible for the test.

This discussion has clearly evolved past that.

No, it didn't. You, like every gun control liberal in America, just wanted to use a tragedy to decry gun ownership and discuss gun control, even though the policy suggested would do NOTHING to prevent gun crimes.

The conversation about gun control started because people made posts sarcastically mocking Californias gun laws. Get over yourself. With regard to those case I suggested that its odd that a 15 year old had access to a gun and maybe the person who she got it from should also face some sort of consequences. That seemed to upset you for some reason.

Because you have no clue where the gun came from, and you're advocating yet another way to infringe on someone's fundamental rights.

How about this - if she used a car instead of a gun (which, just like a gun, she wouldn't legally own), would you still demand the person she got it from go to jail?
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Tmaster148
02/01/18 6:29:35 PM
#97:


darkjedilink posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
darkjedilink posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Who cares if roads are still more dangerous? This isnt a game of who kills more. Im just suggesting that since guns require a lot of responsibility like driving we should create tests that allow users to demonstrate they have that responsibility before they can own one. Im using driving as a measure because its a common thing that we all know about and can be built off of and modified for owning weapons.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

The 15 year old girl would not be elligible for the test.

This discussion has clearly evolved past that.

No, it didn't. You, like every gun control liberal in America, just wanted to use a tragedy to decry gun ownership and discuss gun control, even though the policy suggested would do NOTHING to prevent gun crimes.

The conversation about gun control started because people made posts sarcastically mocking Californias gun laws. Get over yourself. With regard to those case I suggested that its odd that a 15 year old had access to a gun and maybe the person who she got it from should also face some sort of consequences. That seemed to upset you for some reason.

Because you have no clue where the gun came from, and you're advocating yet another way to infringe on someone's fundamental rights.


Are you really this upset at the idea of teaching people proper gun safety as a prerequisite to buy a gun?

And btw, my post on that wasn't as a require to buy a gun but as a requirement for everyone. If we want to live in a country with a gun culture, everyone (even those without guns) should understand how to properly handle a gun.
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darkjedilink
02/01/18 6:32:21 PM
#98:


Tmaster148 posted...
Are you really this upset at the idea of teaching people proper gun safety as a prerequisite to buy a gun?

And btw, my post on that wasn't as a require to buy a gun but as a requirement for everyone. If we want to live in a country with a gun culture, everyone (even those without guns) should understand how to properly handle a gun.

What part of "fundamental right" is so hard to understand?

Would you also advocate for a knowledge test to vote? Or to get an abortion?
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TheVipaGTS
02/01/18 6:33:01 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
darkjedilink posted...
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Who cares if roads are still more dangerous? This isnt a game of who kills more. Im just suggesting that since guns require a lot of responsibility like driving we should create tests that allow users to demonstrate they have that responsibility before they can own one. Im using driving as a measure because its a common thing that we all know about and can be built off of and modified for owning weapons.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

The 15 year old girl would not be elligible for the test.

This discussion has clearly evolved past that.

No, it didn't. You, like every gun control liberal in America, just wanted to use a tragedy to decry gun ownership and discuss gun control, even though the policy suggested would do NOTHING to prevent gun crimes.

The conversation about gun control started because people made posts sarcastically mocking Californias gun laws. Get over yourself. With regard to those case I suggested that its odd that a 15 year old had access to a gun and maybe the person who she got it from should also face some sort of consequences. That seemed to upset you for some reason.

Because you have no clue where the gun came from, and you're advocating yet another way to infringe on someone's fundamental rights.

The gun came from someone. If it was purchased illegally and she got it from someone who purchased it illegally and they can trace it back to them that person should face a punishment. If it was her parents and she took it from their house that person should face a punishment.

Im not saying 25 to life. A fine that builds. Something that can be used as a deterrent. How is that infringing on someones rights? Why is basic accountability such a bad thing to you? If someone steals a gun and its found they stole it from someone who was careless with it and shot me then fuck their fundamental right. My right to not want to be shot is more important.
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flussence
02/01/18 6:33:12 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
What part of "fundamental right" is so hard to understand?

tell that to the families of the victims
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