Current Events > Super Mario RPG has such a random fucking final boss.

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You go the whole game without even seeing Smithy, and I honestly don't even remember if at any point they directly state he's a specific individual. Instead you go through this whole big adventure under the impression that the lead villain is the giant sword, and then literally in like the last hour of the game they bait and switch you revealing he's not after you defeat him.

Then randomly you get to the end of the final level and there he is, with pretty much no exposition whatsoever. And beyond that, the first phase lasts like 2 minutes before it goes to his true form which is just him, but he can transform his head? Lol seriously, one of the forms he can take is his body with a wizard's torso for a head. Random as hell.
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They mention Smithy as a character with underlings. I agree they could have done a better job differentiating Exor and Smithy. As a kid I also thought the sword was Smithy.

But beyond that small bit of confusion he makes sense. The weird form is an anvil because he is the meta level abstraction of all weapons.
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Youre not wrong. However

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymM6MIzLxgw

This theme still gets me jacked and I dont care about his lack of introduction. Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z847R5hFog

Is pretty Damn sweet too.
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They need to do a new mario rpg that isn't ass like sticker star.
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pres_madagascar posted...

They need to do a new mario rpg that isn't ass like sticker star.

I like how they made Color Splash to prove that sticker star wasn't bad, and succeeded in proving just how bad it was
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Literally "The Smithy Gang". He's a blacksmith. He made all the enemies.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

They need to do a new mario rpg that isn't ass like sticker star.

I like how they made Color Splash to prove that sticker star wasn't bad, and succeeded in proving just how bad it was

I forgot color splash even exists honestly.

I'd even settle for GameCube VC on switch with thousand year door on it at this point. My GameCube shit out after attempting to install the hdmi adapter mod myself. Pro tip: don't waste your money, it can easily fry your motherboard.
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fan357 posted...

Literally "The Smithy Gang". He's a blacksmith. He made all the enemies.

I know, but they don't actually explain that over the course of the game, do they? All I remember is the bosses referring to the Smithy Gang and saying they're gonna fill the world with weapons. But I don't recall if they actually specifically state they have a leader named Smithy. I know I'm probably wrong, but it doesn't ring a bell for me.

Mostly I just find it odd that you don't really hear from or see the big bad until the last 15 min. And like I said his true form is really bizarre.

HippopotamusRex posted...

But beyond that small bit of confusion he makes sense. The weird form is an anvil because he is the meta level abstraction of all weapons.

Where is he an anvil though?
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My first RPG. My heart was fucking pounding through that final battle.

Also don't get me wrong, love that game. And the bgm for his first form is awesome.
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ForestLogic posted...

Mostly I just find it odd that you don't really hear from or see the big bad until the last 15 min.

You mean like most older games do?
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I think that final battle took me some absurd amount of time to beat.
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It makes sense. They say it's about filling the world with weapons. He spends the entire game in that room doing exactly that and sending the shit onto conveyor belts. The only reason he stops is because you bust in on him to fight.

DK9292 posted...

ForestLogic posted...

Mostly I just find it odd that you don't really hear from or see the big bad until the last 15 min.

You mean like most older games do?

Maybe in the NES era but SMRPG released the same year as the N64 lol.
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ForestLogic posted...

DK9292 posted...

ForestLogic posted...

Mostly I just find it odd that you don't really hear from or see the big bad until the last 15 min.

You mean like most older games do?

Maybe in the NES era but SMRPG released the same year as the N64 lol.

Maybe in America.
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I literally thought Smithy was the Sword up until I fought the sword.

Then I was kind of like "oh, he's a Smithy." when I fought him.

I was like 6 or 7 though so whatever.
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i got that game when i was in grade 2 and i didnt beat it until i was in grade 7
i was stuck on the sunken ship for years

i couldnt figure out the password and then one day i got a clue i had never gotten before
and then everything clicked and i figured out the password.

but before that i would get to the sunken ship and get frustrated and stop playing and then a few months later id restart the game. and this repeated for so long.
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i still think that star hill needed a boss fight. it has the coolest looking battlefield in the game and it just goes tom waste.
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Still better than what they did in Final Fantasy IX.
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The real confusion came from commercials in the west advertising "Smithy the Sword."

But yeah, the final boss is a weapons manufacturing evil Santa Claus and he appears without buildup. Were in not for the bad ass music in the Factory level and Smithy fight, it might've been better to have made Exor the final boss and called it a day.

I do feel like they should've hinted at Smithy a bit more. Like, in the Seaside Town, I think they should've had a statue of Smithy in the center of town. Then, when you rescued the townsfolk, they could've replaced it with a statue of the town founder or Mario.

yusiko posted...

i still think that star hill needed a boss fight. it has the coolest looking battlefield in the game and it just goes tom waste.

Yeah, I agree.

Doesn't have to be some major boss. Just some weirdo who pops up without warning and never gets mentioned again. Like Punchinello in Moleville Mines.

Hell, Moleville reminds me, it could've just been Croco Round 3 with him having the weird idea to somehow steal people's wishes for a profit(freely rationalize/imagine however that works). Give him further buffed stats and maybe let him (repeatedly) summon some of his Bandit cronies as backup. It'd make sense considering there's a way too long interval between your second fight with him in Moleville, and your next encounter which is way, way later in Nimbus Land after you defeat Valentina.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

The real confusion came from commercials in the west advertising "Smithy the Sword."

So I'm not crazy for remembering that he was called "Smithy the Sword" somewhere?

Good to know.
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Valentina's bouncing titties were great.

Funny thing was not noticing on my first few playthroughs that she has a bird on her head and that isn't her hair.

Tick Tock should've been the boss of Star Hill.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Tick Tock should've been the boss of Star Hill.

I always liked how the factory level had a shitload of bosses. That was also something I liked in <spoilers>Final Fantasy V</spoilers>
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50Blessings posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

The real confusion came from commercials in the west advertising "Smithy the Sword."

So I'm not crazy for remembering that he was called "Smithy the Sword" somewhere?

Good to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtVHB18KMC8

You're not crazy, Grandpa is.

<_<

This game good? Wondering if I should start it on my SNES Mini
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Distant_Rainbow posted...

Doesn't have to be some major boss. Just some weirdo who pops up without warning and never gets mentioned again. Like Punchinello in Moleville Mines.

fun fact, for years i thought punchinello was a girl because the fuse on his head looks like a ponytail

i also thought it was really weird that when you fight valentina everytime you hit her she jiggles her boobs at you.

after i get bowser i take mallow out of my party and never us him again until nimbus land where i put him back in. after nimbus land he goes back on the bench and never gets off again
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hyperpsycho posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

Tick Tock should've been the boss of Star Hill.

I always liked how the factory level had a shitload of bosses. That was also something I liked in <spoilers>Final Fantasy V</spoilers>

tick tock would have worked because he is an alarm clock and star hill kind of feels like its right out of a dream.

but personally i would have liked that snake boss to be on star hill
you know where you fight the two bosses and then they run further down the battlefield and the one you didnt beat first hopes on the head of a giant snake
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I just played it recently, I thought they did a fine job if distinguishing that the sword isn't the big boss.

It does make sense a kid would think that though
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i also thought the yellow thing on punchinellos stomach was her mouth
now i know its not and she is a he
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Loved the Smithy music. Both versions.
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hyperpsycho posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

Tick Tock should've been the boss of Star Hill.

I always liked how the factory level had a shitload of bosses. That was also something I liked in <spoilers>Final Fantasy V</spoilers>

As much as I love the game, I do feel like it had some pacing issues. Star Hill needed a boss fight more than the Factory needed another one. And Tick Tock's weirdness seemed more in line with Star Hill's geckos, gophers, and mastodon skeletons than Smithy's factory.

yusiko posted...

tick tock would have worked because he is an alarm clock and star hill kind of feels like its right out of a dream.

Heh. I hadn't thought of that.

but personally i would have liked that snake boss to be on star hill
you know where you fight the two bosses and then they run further down the battlefield and the one you didnt beat first hopes on the head of a giant snake

I like that boss fight, but I feel like it should've stayed in the factory. If nothing else, I like the visual of its coils wrapped around the support beams.

Fuck I suck at spoiler tags
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Wait, I thought his name was Count Down...
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yusiko posted...

i also thought the yellow thing on punchinellos stomach was her mouth
now i know its not and she is a he

Random tidbit; Punchinello was originally going to be called "James Bomb" but it didn't pass legal. That's why he introduces himself as "Nello... Punchinello".

50Blessings posted...

Wait, I thought his name was Count Down...

It is.

https://www.mariowiki.com/Count_Down
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Oh, yeah. Count Down.

Point is he should've been at Star Hill.

<_<

I'm pretty sure Frogfucius mentions Smithy by name.

But now that I'm looking at the game's script while I write this post, I can easily see why people would get the impression he's Exor. The game seems to mislead you.

ForestLogic posted...

fan357 posted...

Literally "The Smithy Gang". He's a blacksmith. He made all the enemies.

I know, but they don't actually explain that over the course of the game, do they? All I remember is the bosses referring to the Smithy Gang and saying they're gonna fill the world with weapons. But I don't recall if they actually specifically state they have a leader named Smithy. I know I'm probably wrong, but it doesn't ring a bell for me.

Mostly I just find it odd that you don't really hear from or see the big bad until the last 15 min. And like I said his true form is really bizarre.

HippopotamusRex posted...

But beyond that small bit of confusion he makes sense. The weird form is an anvil because he is the meta level abstraction of all weapons.

Where is he an anvil though?

I think one of the arrowheads mention they are reporting back to Smithy about Geno. The other minions in Seaside town also mention Smithy. The bosses don't.

The anvil is in his body. It's why he keeps pounding himself with a hammer and the object he puts on his head changes to something else worked out of metal. It's easier to see in the first form where he has the long beard, but it doesn't include his head.
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This is the most upbeat and happy feeling OST on the SNES. Yes, it even beats DKC in this regard. That's no small feat.

HippopotamusRex posted...

The anvil is in his body. It's why he keeps pounding himself with a hammer and the object he puts on his head changes to something else worked out of metal. It's easier to see in the first form where he has the long beard, but it doesn't include his head.

Ah I never thought about it like that. Good point.

Though it still doesn't really explain how he forges a fucking wizard for a head lol. I stand by that part at least being incredibly random.
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His head becomes a magikoopa because... magikoopas are a thing in the Mario universe and turning his head into one allows him to perform magic. Naturally.

Who doesn't want ridiculous shit in their Mario? I thought everyone had this conversation with a parent or somebody.

"Are those cactuses dancing?"
"lol yeah."
"That's weird."
"Weird and awesome."

pres_madagascar posted...

They need to do a new mario rpg that isn't ass like sticker star.

Can't believe we almost got a proper TTYD successor but Miyamoto canned it because "it was just a port of the GameCube version"

Yet this is the same company that's "ported" the same Mario, Pokemon, and even some Zelda games countless times...
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You know what game had a bad final boss twist? Star Fox Adventures
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Some stuff seems to damn near have a right to get ported excessively.

If I somehow had a touchscreen implanted in my penis, it would probably only be a few months before FF4 is made for it.

pres_madagascar posted...

They need to do a new mario rpg that isn't ass like sticker star.

Weren't the new Mario & Luigi games good? Paper Jam or whatever but especially Dream Team?

The latter's spritework alone is a love letter.
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krazychao5 posted...

This game good? Wondering if I should start it on my SNES Mini

Yeah its good. You should try it.
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