Current Events > Why do immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics?

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It seems to me that immigrant groups of all ethnicities generally move up the financial ladder much more so compared to other native born citizens starting with a similar or higher levels of wealth. Is that a relatively accurate description according to the current data? And if it is, why is it?

Why can so many immigrants with hardly any money to their name come to this country and more consistently do well for themselves whereas natives cannot? How is that immigrants can better work around the supposedly racist and oppressive system but other demographics born in the country cannot? Are there reasons that immigrants are successful thats more powerful than the influences of a supposed oppressive system and how do we adopt that into our mainstream culture?
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Oppress the natives.
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Because we stole their land.
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Those who tend to immigrate are usually well educated. Infact, the guy at the dry cleaners might be a doctor in his own country.

But this is not so much true for illegal immigrants who also don't get paid as much. However, they seem to pull their resources. That is, for example, tons of people living in one house.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Do you have any data to support your claims or are you just pulling this from your ass?

Do you know what question mark signifies?
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im guessing because it is difficult to get legal entry into the US, often either having a good education or they just keep at it for years and that sort of perseverance generally does eventually pay off.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Those who tend to immigrate are usually well educated. Infact, the guy at the dry cleaners might be a doctor in his own country.

But this is not so much true for illegal immigrants who also don't get paid as much. However, they seem to pull their resources. That is, for example, tons of people living in one house.

Thats what I was thinking, but I havent seen many sources verifying legal immigrants being generally more educated relative to the population
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1) wide swaths of our country, the shithole states, bring down the averages for our much better coastal areas

2) immigrants that successfully make it here have gone through a number of barriers that cull out many people who can not get past them

the combination of these two things makes immigrants generally perform better than natives -- this 'immigrant advantage' is actually passed on to their children to some extent, especially if they live in ethnic enclaves
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Kazi1212 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Those who tend to immigrate are usually well educated. Infact, the guy at the dry cleaners might be a doctor in his own country.

But this is not so much true for illegal immigrants who also don't get paid as much. However, they seem to pull their resources. That is, for example, tons of people living in one house.

Thats what I was thinking, but I havent seen many sources verifying legal immigrants being generally more educated relative to the population

You don't really need a source.
Just think of what it takes to sift through how you actually immigrate to the US legally. You have to know how to find the info and complete the submission and do so in a way that you get accepted.

On the other hand, just walking across the border doesn't really require much thought.
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Yeah legal immigrants in the US are as a generalization harder working more skilled and more intelligent than random joe native.

I mean that's kinda the point of why they were allowed to immigrate, they displayed that they contributed to society.

That's why there's been such fuss about that Polish doctor being deported.
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Think of it like the difference between:

filing your taxes
having the IRS try to say you did them wrong
and you fix things with them and don't get fined...
without using turbotax or hr block

vs.

sneaking into the movie theatre
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shockthemonkey posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Do you have any data to support your claims or are you just pulling this from your ass?

Do you know what question mark signifies?

Your question makes the claim that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics and asks what he cause of that it, Im asking for evidence that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics.

Read my original post again, Im questioning whether that is in fact true. Im not claiming immigrants have better success, Im asking if whether they have better success is a true statement. So far youre the only one in the topic that seems to think otherwise, do have evidence pointing to the contrary? I would love to see it
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This is anecdotal so take it with a huge grain of salt. Being first generation American born, most of my friends were also first-gen basically from all over the world. Our parents had high expectations of us academically. But not just in terms of going to college, but usually with focus on a degree with a directly obvious career path. So we all became doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, engineers, accountants. I think it's because they probably worked twice as hard for half our opportunity. And even though we all kind of came from humble backgrounds, it's not like students loans aren't an obvious vehicle to reach those white collar careers.

Meanwhile, a lot of the native friends I had in college, especially from a more well-off background, majored in things like History with no real career plans or aspirations. I'm not saying that's necessarily bad, but a guy I knew spent 40k to get a psychology degree to just end up working at his dad's company. In fact, most of my peers during my psych undergrad had absolutely no plan. No grad school, which is a requirement to work in that field, so ending terminally on a B.A or B.S. in psych just seemed short-sighted.
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Kazi1212 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Do you have any data to support your claims or are you just pulling this from your ass?

Do you know what question mark signifies?

Your question makes the claim that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics and asks what he cause of that it, Im asking for evidence that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics.

Read my original post again, Im questioning whether that is in fact true. Im not claiming immigrants have better success, Im asking if whether they have better success is a true statement. So far youre the only one in the topic that seems to think otherwise, do have evidence pointing to the contrary? I would love to see it

They do and your op sounded like you didnt know squat.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

I'm not saying that's necessarily bad, but a guy I knew spent 40k to get a psychology degree to just end up working at his dad's company.

This seems like a bad example since his dad is obviously gonna give him the company.
You might be a doctor (?) but he will own a fucking company.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

This is anecdotal so take it with a huge grain of salt. Being first generation American born, most of my friends were also first-gen basically from all over the world. Our parents had high expectations of us academically. But not just in terms of going to college, but usually with focus on a degree with a directly obvious career path. So we all became doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, engineers, accountants. I think it's because they probably worked twice as hard for half our opportunity. And even though we all kind of came from humble backgrounds, it's not like students loans aren't an obvious vehicle to reach those white collar careers.

Meanwhile, a lot of the native friends I had in college, especially from a more well-off background, majored in things like History with no real career plans or aspirations. I'm not saying that's necessarily bad, but a guy I knew spent 40k to get a psychology degree to just end up working at his dad's company. In fact, most of my peers during my psych undergrad had absolutely no plan. No grad school, which is a requirement to work in that field, so ending terminally on a B.A or B.S. in psych just seemed short-sighted.

Im a first gen immigrant as well and this is pretty much exactly like my experiences. My parents pushed me really hard academically and were really strict. Lot of it was their culture and some of it was the fact they see the opportunity I have that they never had and they didnt want me to blow it because a lack of effort. Meanwhile I saw my friends and classmates didnt care as much about their grads as I did, they werent punished as severely by their families and lot of kids had either one parent or both parents more occupied with their work. I will be honest, sometimes I wished I had my friends parents because American love to their kids through words, there was to much tough love in my culture and I didnt like that
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Kazi1212 posted...

Soviet_Poland posted...

This is anecdotal so take it with a huge grain of salt. Being first generation American born, most of my friends were also first-gen basically from all over the world. Our parents had high expectations of us academically. But not just in terms of going to college, but usually with focus on a degree with a directly obvious career path. So we all became doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, engineers, accountants. I think it's because they probably worked twice as hard for half our opportunity. And even though we all kind of came from humble backgrounds, it's not like students loans aren't an obvious vehicle to reach those white collar careers.

Meanwhile, a lot of the native friends I had in college, especially from a more well-off background, majored in things like History with no real career plans or aspirations. I'm not saying that's necessarily bad, but a guy I knew spent 40k to get a psychology degree to just end up working at his dad's company. In fact, most of my peers during my psych undergrad had absolutely no plan. No grad school, which is a requirement to work in that field, so ending terminally on a B.A or B.S. in psych just seemed short-sighted.

Im a first gen immigrant as well and this is pretty much exactly like my experiences. My parents pushed me really hard academically and were really strict. Lot of it was their culture and some of it was the fact they see the opportunity I have that they never had and they didnt want me to blow it because a lack of effort. Meanwhile I saw my friends and classmates didnt care as much about their grads as I did, they werent punished as severely by their families and lot of kids had either one parent or both parents more occupied with their work. I will be honest, sometimes I wished I had my friends parents because American love to their kids through words, there was to much tough love in my culture and I didnt like that

Its not all about culture.
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Do you have any data to support your claims or are you just pulling this from your ass?

Do you know what question mark signifies?

Your question makes the claim that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics and asks what he cause of that it, Im asking for evidence that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics.

Read my original post again, Im questioning whether that is in fact true. Im not claiming immigrants have better success, Im asking if whether they have better success is a true statement. So far youre the only one in the topic that seems to think otherwise, do have evidence pointing to the contrary? I would love to see it

They do and your op sounded like you didnt know squat.

Exactly, thats why I dont understand why hes saying Im claiming anything, I havent claimed squat, I merely asked from my ignorance on the issue
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Kazi1212 posted...

JBaLLEN66 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Do you have any data to support your claims or are you just pulling this from your ass?

Do you know what question mark signifies?

Your question makes the claim that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics and asks what he cause of that it, Im asking for evidence that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics.

Read my original post again, Im questioning whether that is in fact true. Im not claiming immigrants have better success, Im asking if whether they have better success is a true statement. So far youre the only one in the topic that seems to think otherwise, do have evidence pointing to the contrary? I would love to see it

They do and your op sounded like you didnt know squat.

Exactly, thats why I dont understand why hes saying Im claiming anything, I havent claimed squat, I merely asked from my ignorance on the issue

The way your topic title is written, it presupposes that the question is true, and then asks why it is true.
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Soviet_Poland posted...

This is anecdotal so take it with a huge grain of salt. Being first generation American born, most of my friends were also first-gen basically from all over the world. Our parents had high expectations of us academically. But not just in terms of going to college, but usually with focus on a degree with a directly obvious career path. So we all became doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, engineers, accountants. I think it's because they probably worked twice as hard for half our opportunity. And even though we all kind of came from humble backgrounds, it's not like students loans aren't an obvious vehicle to reach those white collar careers.

Meanwhile, a lot of the native friends I had in college, especially from a more well-off background, majored in things like History with no real career plans or aspirations. I'm not saying that's necessarily bad, but a guy I knew spent 40k to get a psychology degree to just end up working at his dad's company. In fact, most of my peers during my psych undergrad had absolutely no plan. No grad school, which is a requirement to work in that field, so ending terminally on a B.A or B.S. in psych just seemed short-sighted.

Im a first gen immigrant as well and this is pretty much exactly like my experiences. My parents pushed me really hard academically and were really strict. Lot of it was their culture and some of it was the fact they see the opportunity I have that they never had and they didnt want me to blow it because a lack of effort. Meanwhile I saw my friends and classmates didnt care as much about their grads as I did, they werent punished as severely by their families and lot of kids had either one parent or both parents more occupied with their work. I will be honest, sometimes I wished I had my friends parents because American love to their kids through words, there was to much tough love in my culture and I didnt like that

Its not all about culture.

Huh did someone post that its all about culture and nothing else? You must quote it for me, cant find it
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darkphoenix181 posted...

This seems like a bad example since his dad is obviously gonna give him the company.
You might be a doctor (?) but he will own a fucking company.

From what it sounded like, it seemed like a small company. Maybe it's more lucrative than he let on. Fair enough, though.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

JBaLLEN66 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Do you have any data to support your claims or are you just pulling this from your ass?

Do you know what question mark signifies?

Your question makes the claim that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics and asks what he cause of that it, Im asking for evidence that immigrant groups have more financial success than native demographics.

Read my original post again, Im questioning whether that is in fact true. Im not claiming immigrants have better success, Im asking if whether they have better success is a true statement. So far youre the only one in the topic that seems to think otherwise, do have evidence pointing to the contrary? I would love to see it

They do and your op sounded like you didnt know squat.

Exactly, thats why I dont understand why hes saying Im claiming anything, I havent claimed squat, I merely asked from my ignorance on the issue

The way your topic title is written, it presupposes that the question is true, and then asks why it is true.

Which is why I clarified in the original post, I dont get why people would respond without reading the op at least, like theyre out to get me in a gotcha moment or something lol
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Ignore the trolls T.C l. Immigrants are either the wealthy from their country, or people who came to carve a life out for themselves in a foreign and often hostile land. They will naturally perform better because they have a higher drive to succeed

Teddytalks posted...

Ignore the trolls T.C l. Immigrants are either the wealthy from their country, or people who came to carve a life out for themselves in a foreign and often hostile land. They will naturally perform better because they have a higher drive to succeed

Oh god this stuff again
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