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deputy fatally shot a 16-year-old boy in an Ohio courtroom when a fight broke out involving the teen, his family and the officer on Wednesday, a sheriff's office investigator said. The teen, Joseph Haynes, was struck once in the abdomen during the fight that began as an early afternoon hearing concluded in a domestic relations courtroom in Columbus, said Rick Minerd, investigations chief with the Franklin County Sheriff's Office.

Haynes died about 30 minutes later at a nearby downtown hospital.

Events unfolded as a judge wrapped up a hearing involving a firearms charge against the boy and an electronic monitoring device the court assigned him earlier in the case, Minerd said.

"At some point as the hearing was concluding, there was an altercation that ensued involving the deputy and some of the family members," Minerd said. He added later the boy also was involved.

The deputy was knocked to the ground and fired a shot, he said.

Haynes' lawyer, Jennifer Brisco, told the Columbus Dispatch that the teen grew upset when the deputy threatened to arrest him. Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien told the newspaper the teen was also upset by a judge's order that he continue to wear an electronic monitoring device.

Minerd didn't identify the deputy, saying the investigation is ongoing. The deputy also was injured and was being treated at a hospital, but he wasn't shot, Minerd said.

The boy's grandmother told the newspaper the deputy should have used a stun gun.

Keith Ferrell, executive vice president for the police union that represents the deputy, said the deputy was "violently attacked by multiple people" and had visible injuries including cuts, abrasions, and a possible black eye. He said the deputy was in a "fight for his life" when he opened fire.

"The deputy did exactly what he's there to do -- protect every person in that courthouse, including himself, and that's exactly what he did," Ferrell said.

Ferrell said he hasn't spoken to the deputy about the specifics of what officials have described as an altercation. He said his account is based on the deputy's physical appearance and news reports.

According to juvenile records obtained by CBS affiliate WBNS, Haynes had been charged with aggravated menacing after he pointed a handgun at two people, threatening to shoot them.

Ferrell said there was "concern that this individual has a violent past, and I think his behavior that day indicated that as well."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/franklin-county-ohio-deputy-fatally-shoots-teen-in-ohio-courtroom-authorities-say/
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What's your point TC?
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HypnoCoosh posted...

What's your point TC?

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Family assaults cop, kid involved in assault gets shot, dies.

Unless video footage comes to light of the cop being the first to get violent, say fair, next.

People dying for attacking someone they know is carrying a firearm are just proving Darwinism.
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america is like a weird third world country where the police have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want but for some reason its citizens defend their every move
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"The deputy did exactly what he's there to do -- protect every person in that courthouse, including himself, and that's exactly what he did," Ferrell said.

Ferrell said he hasn't spoken to the deputy about the specifics of what officials have described as an altercation. He said his account is based on the deputy's physical appearance and news reports.

So basically this guy knows nothing
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metralo posted...

america is like a weird third world country where the police have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want but for some reason its citizens defend their every move

It is pretty dystopian.
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Getting into a physical altercation with a cop almost guarantees you'll get shot. And if they do shoot you, it's justified.
Recognizing this be a prerequisite to living here.
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Kineth posted...

metralo posted...

america is like a weird third world country where the police have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want but for some reason its citizens defend their every move

It is pretty dystopian.

Not attacking a cop is a very low bar for not getting shot. I manage it every day.
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"Comply or die"
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Fair next. Don't assault a cop
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voldothegr8 posted...

"Comply or die"

It's hard to say one way or another without video of the incident.

However, you're really shooting for Darwin of the year award getting into a physical altercation with an officer of the law in a courthouse.
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Here's a thought: don't start a fight in a court of law?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Kineth posted...

metralo posted...

america is like a weird third world country where the police have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want but for some reason its citizens defend their every move

It is pretty dystopian.

Not attacking a cop is a very low bar for not getting shot. I manage it every day.

Not what I was talking about. Go play some DotA.
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shockthemonkey posted...

So the penalty for assault of a police officer is death according to a lot of people here.

This wasn't a "penalty" this was a consequence.

If the kid had survived no one would have killed him.

You can't attack someone and then be outraged when they defend himself.
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That cop is a fuckin pussy
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shockthemonkey posted...

So the penalty for assault of a police officer is death according to a lot of people here.

Pretty fucked up people defend it. At least it was in a courtroom so he couldn't plant a weapon on his victim, I hope he gets fired at the very least.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

So the penalty for assault of a police officer is death according to a lot of people here.

This wasn't a "penalty" this was a consequence.

If the kid had survived no one would have killed him.

You can't attack someone and then be outraged when they defend himself.

Come on UR. It is 2018, the year of Outrage for the sake of Outrage year. Well actually that has been every year since the OWS movement took place.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

poor kid

no one should have to fear for their lives every time they attack a cop while being arraigned on weapons charges

I think it's mostly the fact that the kid did not have a weapon and could have been restrained (and deservedly roughed up) without lethal force. What happened to a fucking police baton?
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metralo posted...

america is like a weird third world country where the police have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want but for some reason its citizens defend their every move

Honestly and Americans here act like that's normal.
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Kineth posted...

I think it's mostly the fact that the kid did not have a weapon and could have been restrained

That logic puts the public at risk.

If that kid had killed the cop, taken his gun and shot 6 people you would not be arguing "Well that cop is an idiot for not doing more than just trying to restrain the guy!"

In self-defense with your life at stake you don't have the luxury of being a saint. That's literally endangering innocent people if you are.

Just google Janard Cunningham.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

poor kid

no one should have to fear for their lives every time they attack a cop while being arraigned on weapons charges

i kno rite?! He wuz gon go to kollege!
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shockthemonkey posted...

A skinny ass teenager, who definitely isnt armed because hes in a courthouse, shouldnt ever be in a position where hes dangerous enough to shoot.

Exactly.
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If only cops had some other means of subduing someone, like metal bracelets or an electrically charged device of some sort.

shockthemonkey posted...

A skinny ass teenager, who definitely isnt armed because hes in a courthouse, shouldnt ever be in a position where hes dangerous enough to shoot.

But the cop feared for his life!
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

If only cops had some other means of subduing someone, like metal bracelets or an electrically charged device of some sort.

That's not always an option, especially when your life is at stake.

You watch too many movies.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Kineth posted...

I think it's mostly the fact that the kid did not have a weapon and could have been restrained

That logic puts the public at risk.

If that kid had killed the cop, taken his gun and shot 6 people you would not be arguing "Well that cop is an idiot for not doing more than just trying to restrain the guy!"

In self-defense with your life at stake you don't have the luxury of being a saint. That's literally endangering innocent people if you are.

Just google Janard Cunningham.

You sound like just as big of a pussy as the cop
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It's almost like some people don't want to live in a country of law and order.

They would rather do what they want without fear of consequence. Weird huh.
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cjsdowg posted...

The deputy was knocked to the ground

Fair, next. All it takes is one stomp and it's over.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

ThanksUglyGod posted...

If only cops had some other means of subduing someone, like metal bracelets or an electrically charged device of some sort.

That's not always an option, especially when your life is at stake.

You watch too many movies.

This. Also, You'd be surprised at how little training most police officers have at physically subduing a suspect without weapons, non-lethal and lethal alike.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

ThanksUglyGod posted...

If only cops had some other means of subduing someone, like metal bracelets or an electrically charged device of some sort.

That's not always an option, especially when your life is at stake.

You watch too many movies.

This. Also, You'd be surprised at how little training most police officers have at physically subduing a suspect without weapons, non-lethal and lethal alike.

Think we've spotted the problem.

DemonBuffet posted...

He wuz gon go to kollege!

Why type your post like that, iyo?
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shockthemonkey posted...

If the cop was the only officer/guard around and subduing someone else and then this kid tried to take his gun then he really did have every right to be fearful, but thats not a position that anyone should be putting themselves in while inside a courthouse. Its much easier to have sufficient backup at all times when none of the dangerous people are armed.

But he feared for his life! Why do you hate cops?!
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Wait

So the kid attacked a fully armed cop, cop defended himself, and people are crying about the kid?

Lmao. If youre dumb enough to attack an armed cop, then i have no sympathy for you

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

ThanksUglyGod posted...

If only cops had some other means of subduing someone, like metal bracelets or an electrically charged device of some sort.

That's not always an option, especially when your life is at stake.

You watch too many movies.

This. Also, You'd be surprised at how little training most police officers have at physically subduing a suspect without weapons, non-lethal and lethal alike.

Think we've spotted the problem.

It's not the officers fault though, it's the department that thinks putting someone in a RNC is worse than slamming their face into the concrete with a sloppy tackle and then kneeling on the exact spot they need to breathe, thus causing the suspect to automatically panic and fight more.
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PlsGodDontBanMe posted...

So the kid attacked a fully armed cop, cop defended himself, and people are crying about the kid?

It's the usual leftists of the board no real shock here.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

ThanksUglyGod posted...

If only cops had some other means of subduing someone, like metal bracelets or an electrically charged device of some sort.

That's not always an option, especially when your life is at stake.

You watch too many movies.

This. Also, You'd be surprised at how little training most police officers have at physically subduing a suspect without weapons, non-lethal and lethal alike.

Oh well gee, that just makes executing people ok then! It was in a fucking courthouse. It's not like someone doesn't have access to an intercom or phone to call the front to get the rest of the bailiffs over to that court room and restrain him. It's not like it was only the judge, the cop and the kid in that room.
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You know, I complain about my countries police a lot. But at least being killed by them is a very rare occurrence.

Sure, you shouldn't assault someone (or a police officer) but you would think they'd have some training in subduing someone without killing them.
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voldothegr8 posted...

"Comply or die"

More like "don't gang up on and beat up a police officer or die"

Holy shit, so people think the guy should've just let the mob beat the shit out of him?
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