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UnfairRepresent
01/22/18 2:54:12 PM
#101:


r4X0r posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Liberals can't process the concept of criminals actually being responsible for the crimes they commit.


So what is Roy Moore's excuse?


What crime did he commit?

Statutory rape
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ChromaticAngel
01/22/18 2:54:20 PM
#103:


UnfairRepresent posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...

"rape is legal as long as you can silence the person you rape long enough"


It's not that rape is legal, it's that the accusation can no longer be objectively investigated in a court of law.

Is the statue of limitations argument.

I see both sides of it myself. While the idea of people getting away with crimes is henious, the idea of someone going to prison for stealing a loaf of bread 45 years ago is absurd.

you are comparing stealing a loaf of bread to rape
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r4X0r
01/22/18 2:55:11 PM
#104:


Bishop9800 posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
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Liberals can't process the concept of criminals actually being responsible for the crimes they commit.


So what is Roy Moore's excuse?


statue of limitations are a thing


So the statue of limitations is the reason why he can't take responsibility or the crime?


What crime?
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pinky0926
01/22/18 2:55:12 PM
#105:


Keith Ferrell, executive vice president for the police union that represents the deputy, said the deputy was "violently attacked by multiple people" and had visible injuries including cuts, abrasions, and a possible black eye. He said the deputy was in a "fight for his life" when he opened fire.


They actually expect people to believe this

Worse, people actually believe this
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UnfairRepresent
01/22/18 2:55:51 PM
#106:


ChromaticAngel posted...

you are comparing stealing a loaf of bread to rape

You are either incapable or too lazy to comprehend the point.

The logic is what is being questioned not the crime. At what point is something far enough in the past that it can't be reasonably used as something to be investigated legally?
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Bishop9800
01/22/18 2:57:34 PM
#108:


r4X0r posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Liberals can't process the concept of criminals actually being responsible for the crimes they commit.


So what is Roy Moore's excuse?


statue of limitations are a thing


So the statue of limitations is the reason why he can't take responsibility or the crime?


What crime?

UnfairRepresent posted...
Statutory rape

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AverageCEgal
01/22/18 2:57:58 PM
#109:


you should get sources instead of assuming things based on a biased article posted by someone who encourages arguing for their armusement
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ChromaticAngel
01/22/18 2:59:40 PM
#110:


UnfairRepresent posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...

you are comparing stealing a loaf of bread to rape

You are either incapable or too lazy to comprehend the point.

The logic is what is being questioned not the crime. At what point is something far enough in the past that it can't be reasonably used as something to be investigated legally?


They literally sent a Nazi to Nuremberg for a trial in 2017

"How long until you can't investigate something?" the answer is never.

"How long until you shouldn't investigate something?" is a better question to ask and the answer should change depending on what the something is. A theft of bread doesn't merit a long limit. Rape isn't something that should expire, especially when the victim is also a child.
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Axiom
01/22/18 3:02:25 PM
#114:


cjsdowg posted...
"At some point as the hearing was concluding, there was an altercation that ensued involving the deputy and some of the family members," Minerd said. He added later the boy also was involved.

Suspicious as fuck. The fact he fired a single shot makes it sound like he fucked up and accidentally fired his gun
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UnfairRepresent
01/22/18 3:02:44 PM
#115:


ChromaticAngel posted...

They literally sent a Nazi to Nuremberg for a trial in 2017

Which made no sense IMO.

They actually had to get a team of doctors to assess if he was even mentally capable of comprehening prison.

But that's another story,

ChromaticAngel posted...


"How long until you can't investigate something?" the answer is never.


That's quite a short-sighted answer. You've just placed the Sword of Damocles above every single person of note in the western world.
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Kineth
01/22/18 3:07:03 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Kineth posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Kineth posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
There's no point arguing with you.


You hadn't even started so I don't know why you're trying to project an assumed air of superiority.

You're A. Too emotionally invested to be bipartisan, and B. Not knowledgeable about fighting/conflict and wouldn't understand how a seemingly simple attack can turn deadly.


Odd, have you ever had a straight up meat and potatoes political discussion with me where you don't talk about liberals and SJWs and just talk about the issues? Because you're literally making shit up. I'm not emotionally invested in the kid's death. I'm talking about possible alternatives to handling a situation, which has nothing to do with emotions.

And no, I'm aware how things can get shaky real quick in a fight. That doesn't eliminate other possible ways of handling the scenario. The kid would have been in handcuffs and, once again, unarmed. I would like to think that cops are confident enough in their ability, that they don't need to rely on deadly force for a fight with a teenager that's likely a 1/3 of their size. But treating this situation like no one was around that could have possibly called someone OR jumped in and helped?


Yes, it absolutely can eliminate other options. Join a damn gym and learn a thing or two. Also, 1 kid=/= entire mob.


lol.. for someone who talks big, you sure run away from arguments fast.


Because I don't care about you or your uninformed opinions.


You seem to care enough to have formed your own uninformed opinion on me. Hilarious that you were talking about me being emotional, btw. Maybe when you get out of your emotions, you can engage in hypotheticals without being dismissive and petulant.
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ChromaticAngel
01/22/18 3:08:00 PM
#122:


UnfairRepresent posted...
That's quite a short-sighted answer. You've just placed the Sword of Damocles above every single person of note in the western world.

I don't care?
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Kineth
01/22/18 3:09:20 PM
#123:


chrono625 posted...
Kineth posted...
Zikten posted...
to make it clear. I think the reason he shot the boy was cause of the factor of the rest of the family. if it had been one on one maybe he could have found another way. but he had several people attacking him, and I doubt he has action movie level martial arts training. the only way he could shut that shit down was to use his gun and end it. when he shot, the rest of them probably stopped and cowered. problem solved. I saw this in another link and it sounded like if I remember right, the boy got mad that the cop hit his mom. but he only did it cause he was being attacked by her, and other people. and then the boy leapt onto the cop. so the cop used his gun. if anyone is to blame for his death it's his mom. hopefully she feels guilty for the rest of her life for starting that fight that pulled in her son, and got him killed.


It's not often, but that's a good post from you Zikten.


So you agree this was justified?


What the fuck does that even matter? I wasn't talking about execution being justified, I was talking about how it possibly could have been avoided and how it might not have been necessary in the first place.
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MrBobGray
01/22/18 3:10:58 PM
#124:


Cop cant detain a 16 year old and instead shoots him to death. And like always we have a bunch of Mary Sues defending the cop like they can do no wrong. What is wrong with you people?
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darkjedilink
01/22/18 3:13:17 PM
#125:


Kineth posted...
chrono625 posted...
Kineth posted...
Zikten posted...
to make it clear. I think the reason he shot the boy was cause of the factor of the rest of the family. if it had been one on one maybe he could have found another way. but he had several people attacking him, and I doubt he has action movie level martial arts training. the only way he could shut that shit down was to use his gun and end it. when he shot, the rest of them probably stopped and cowered. problem solved. I saw this in another link and it sounded like if I remember right, the boy got mad that the cop hit his mom. but he only did it cause he was being attacked by her, and other people. and then the boy leapt onto the cop. so the cop used his gun. if anyone is to blame for his death it's his mom. hopefully she feels guilty for the rest of her life for starting that fight that pulled in her son, and got him killed.

It's not often, but that's a good post from you Zikten.

So you agree this was justified?

What the fuck does that even matter? I wasn't talking about execution being justified, I was talking about how it possibly could have been avoided and how it might not have been necessary in the first place.

It could have been avoided by an entire family having enough respect for the law, society, and other people to not assault an armed police officer.

It WOULD have been avoided if the teen was smart enough to not break the law in the first place.
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darkjedilink
01/22/18 3:14:13 PM
#127:


MrBobGray posted...
Cop cant detain a 16 year old and instead shoots him to death. And like always we have a bunch of Mary Sues defending the cop like they can do no wrong. What is wrong with you people?

You think you could detain a 16hyear old while his entire family is physically attacking you?
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MrBobGray
01/22/18 3:14:19 PM
#128:


darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
chrono625 posted...
Kineth posted...
Zikten posted...
to make it clear. I think the reason he shot the boy was cause of the factor of the rest of the family. if it had been one on one maybe he could have found another way. but he had several people attacking him, and I doubt he has action movie level martial arts training. the only way he could shut that shit down was to use his gun and end it. when he shot, the rest of them probably stopped and cowered. problem solved. I saw this in another link and it sounded like if I remember right, the boy got mad that the cop hit his mom. but he only did it cause he was being attacked by her, and other people. and then the boy leapt onto the cop. so the cop used his gun. if anyone is to blame for his death it's his mom. hopefully she feels guilty for the rest of her life for starting that fight that pulled in her son, and got him killed.

It's not often, but that's a good post from you Zikten.

So you agree this was justified?

What the fuck does that even matter? I wasn't talking about execution being justified, I was talking about how it possibly could have been avoided and how it might not have been necessary in the first place.

It could have been avoided by an entire family having enough respect for the law, society, and other people to not assault an armed police officer.

It WOULD have been avoided if the teen was smart enough to not break the law in the first place.


Great, another victim blamer.
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orcus_snake
01/22/18 3:15:47 PM
#129:


Kineth posted...
metralo posted...
america is like a weird third world country where the police have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want but for some reason its citizens defend their every move


It is pretty dystopian.


No, a dystopian America would be where cops are ACTUALLy in charge, theya re just bumbling bufoons and people just enjoy to take it in the ass, that is THE one first world problem that is actually a problem.
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nicklebro
01/22/18 3:16:19 PM
#130:


pinky0926 posted...
Keith Ferrell, executive vice president for the police union that represents the deputy, said the deputy was "violently attacked by multiple people" and had visible injuries including cuts, abrasions, and a possible black eye. He said the deputy was in a "fight for his life" when he opened fire.


They actually expect people to believe this

Worse, people actually believe this

Its Trayvon all over again.
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UnfairRepresent
01/22/18 3:18:58 PM
#131:


nicklebro posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Keith Ferrell, executive vice president for the police union that represents the deputy, said the deputy was "violently attacked by multiple people" and had visible injuries including cuts, abrasions, and a possible black eye. He said the deputy was in a "fight for his life" when he opened fire.


They actually expect people to believe this

Worse, people actually believe this

Its Trayvon all over again.

This post is ironic for so many reasons
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Kineth
01/22/18 3:20:12 PM
#132:


orcus_snake posted...
Kineth posted...
metralo posted...
america is like a weird third world country where the police have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want but for some reason its citizens defend their every move


It is pretty dystopian.


No, a dystopian America would be where cops are ACTUALLy in charge, theya re just bumbling bufoons and people just enjoy to take it in the ass, that is THE one first world problem that is actually a problem.


Eh, cops being used as an extension of the oppressive power structure qualifies as that imo.
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MrBobGray
01/22/18 3:20:55 PM
#133:


darkjedilink posted...
MrBobGray posted...
Cop cant detain a 16 year old and instead shoots him to death. And like always we have a bunch of Mary Sues defending the cop like they can do no wrong. What is wrong with you people?

You think you could detain a 16hyear old while his entire family is physically attacking you?


That didnt happen, and even so, his entire family was his mother.
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Axiom
01/22/18 3:28:11 PM
#136:


DuranOfForcena posted...
where are you getting this from? the article says "some of his family members". "some" doesn't mean "one".

GregShmedley posted...
Source?

http://radio.wosu.org/post/franklin-county-sheriff-identifies-deputy-who-shot-16-year-old-boy#stream/0
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180120/attorney-captures-aftermath-of-fatal-courthouse-shooting-on-cellphone

Both of these articles indicate it was just the mother and the teen
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MrBobGray
01/22/18 3:29:56 PM
#137:


Axiom posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
where are you getting this from? the article says "some of his family members". "some" doesn't mean "one".

GregShmedley posted...
Source?

http://radio.wosu.org/post/franklin-county-sheriff-identifies-deputy-who-shot-16-year-old-boy#stream/0
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180120/attorney-captures-aftermath-of-fatal-courthouse-shooting-on-cellphone

Both of these articles indicate it was just the mother and the teen


And his grandmother was watching the entire time as well.
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AverageCEgal
01/22/18 3:30:12 PM
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the first links to this other one by the same site
http://radio.wosu.org/post/sixteen-year-old-boy-killed-franklin-county-deputy-courthouse#stream/0
and says "The deputy was knocked to the ground as part of that altercation where he came under attack from some of the folks that were involved, family members, and one shot was fired,"

and then the second one has a image of the boy after he got shot and nothing of the altercation
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AverageCEgal
01/22/18 3:31:50 PM
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oh no wait theres more text but it just talks about the video after the fight
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Axiom
01/22/18 3:32:20 PM
#141:


AverageCEgal posted...
the first links to this other one by the same site
http://radio.wosu.org/post/sixteen-year-old-boy-killed-franklin-county-deputy-courthouse#stream/0
and says "The deputy was knocked to the ground as part of that altercation where he came under attack from some of the folks that were involved, family members, and one shot was fired,"

and then the second one has a image of the boy after he got shot and nothing of the altercation

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Axiom
01/22/18 3:33:03 PM
#142:


DuranOfForcena posted...
Axiom posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
where are you getting this from? the article says "some of his family members". "some" doesn't mean "one".

GregShmedley posted...
Source?

http://radio.wosu.org/post/franklin-county-sheriff-identifies-deputy-who-shot-16-year-old-boy#stream/0
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180120/attorney-captures-aftermath-of-fatal-courthouse-shooting-on-cellphone

Both of these articles indicate it was just the mother and the teen

your first link explicitly states in the second sentence, "On Wednesday afternoon, Deputy Richard Scarborough became involved in a fight with Haynes and members of Haynes family in the Franklin County courthouse, " members being plural. and your second link is behind a paywall.

Authorities say that Haynes and his mother became "very agitative and disruptive" and were escorted out of the courtroom. An altercation broke out between Scarborough, Haynes and his mother, during which Scarborough was somehow knocked to the ground where he came under attack. According to Haynes' family members, Scarborough allegedly grabbed Haynes mother, at which point Haynes attempted to defend her.
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AverageCEgal
01/22/18 3:33:48 PM
#143:


oh ok

According to Chief Rick Minerd, of the Sheriff's Office investigative subdivision, video released from the courthouse shows the lobby outside the courtroom and of the elevator but doesnt provide a view of the fight itself.

from the updated one

ther's a video of ths post fight but like not of the fight istlsef
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AverageCEgal
01/22/18 3:34:57 PM
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oh the article keeps linking to other articles to backup its points
this is annoying
can they not do that
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Axiom
01/22/18 3:35:12 PM
#146:


DuranOfForcena posted...
Axiom posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
Axiom posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
where are you getting this from? the article says "some of his family members". "some" doesn't mean "one".

GregShmedley posted...
Source?

http://radio.wosu.org/post/franklin-county-sheriff-identifies-deputy-who-shot-16-year-old-boy#stream/0
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180120/attorney-captures-aftermath-of-fatal-courthouse-shooting-on-cellphone

Both of these articles indicate it was just the mother and the teen

your first link explicitly states in the second sentence, "On Wednesday afternoon, Deputy Richard Scarborough became involved in a fight with Haynes and members of Haynes family in the Franklin County courthouse, " members being plural. and your second link is behind a paywall.

Authorities say that Haynes and his mother became "very agitative and disruptive" and were escorted out of the courtroom. An altercation broke out between Scarborough, Haynes and his mother, during which Scarborough was somehow knocked to the ground where he came under attack. According to Haynes' family members, Scarborough allegedly grabbed Haynes mother, at which point Haynes attempted to defend her.

"On Wednesday afternoon, Deputy Richard Scarborough became involved in a fight with Haynes and members of Haynes family in the Franklin County courthouse, "

Are you seriously arguing in favor of the cops while at the same time dismissing their account of what happened
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The Admiral
01/22/18 3:37:11 PM
#149:


GregShmedley posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Keith Ferrell, executive vice president for the police union that represents the deputy, said the deputy was "violently attacked by multiple people" and had visible injuries including cuts, abrasions, and a possible black eye. He said the deputy was in a "fight for his life" when he opened fire.


They actually expect people to believe this

Worse, people actually believe this


What's so hard to believe about it?


Nothing, I believe it completely. Certain people choose not to because it hurts their victim narrative and anti-responsibility mindset.
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Alois_Hunter
01/22/18 3:45:06 PM
#150:


Kineth posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
poor kid

no one should have to fear for their lives every time they attack a cop while being arraigned on weapons charges


I think it's mostly the fact that the kid did not have a weapon and could have been restrained (and deservedly roughed up) without lethal force. What happened to a fucking police baton?

liberals fucked those up too when they cried over cops using batons to restrain Rodney King.
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