Current Events > Looked at the CDC reports for deaths for black males >_>

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And wow, pretty ridiculous.

https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2014/black/index.htm.

Homicide never drops below the 4th most common reason why black men die until they pass the 45 age group, and then it drops to 7th.

From 15-34 it is the leading cause, reaching almost 50% from 15-24.

For white men, homicide never breaks 10%.

Now, I'm black and I absolutely agree that police should be held accountable when they fuck up, and fuck up they do. But if you're a low income african american man in a bad neighborhood, your biggest health risk is other black men killing you for your entire young adult life.. That's fucking insane. Gotta figure out a way to drop those violence levels.
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Wow that's racist
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Stats are racist now eh.
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Legalizing drugs would go a long way towards lowering that violent crime
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I feel like there's a combination of things. Poorer communities will more than likely have an any means necessary type of mentality. Males in general are encouraged even at a young age to toughen up and start fighting. I also feel like a lot of black men aren't encouraged to be as ambitious as everyone else. Guys from broken/divorced families frequently get compared to the "failure fathers" when they do something wrong, certain shows and music is frowned upon, homophobia is really strong as well.

All the pressure of having to be a model black male turns a lot of guys off imo. Once they don't believe they can pull it off, they give up and turn to negativity, drugs, and alcohol.

The shitty education system doesn't help either.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Legalizing drugs would go a long way towards lowering that violent crime

To a degree, yes, but banning for-profit prisons would help tremendously as well
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

Stats are racist now eh.

looks like you went into "conservative reactionary mode" here because TC didn't say anything indicating he thought the stats were racist
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KStateKing17 posted...

I feel like there's a combination of things. Poorer communities will more than likely have an any means necessary type of mentality. Males in general are encouraged even at a young age to toughen up and start fighting. I also feel like a lot of black men aren't encouraged to be as ambitious as everyone else. Guys from broken/divorced families frequently get compared to the "failure fathers" when they do something wrong, certain shows and music is frowned upon, homophobia is really strong as well.

All the pressure of having to be a model black male turns a lot of guys off imo. Once they don't believe they can pull it off, they give up and turn to negativity, drugs, and alcohol.

The shitty education system doesn't help either.

I like this. Real words.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

Stats are racist now eh.

looks like you went into "conservative reactionary mode" here because TC didn't say anything indicating he thought the stats were racist

DarthAragorn posted...

Wow that's racist

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DragonGirlYuki posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

Stats are racist now eh.

looks like you went into "conservative reactionary mode" here because TC didn't say anything indicating he thought the stats were racist

DarthAragorn posted...

Wow that's racist

Darth was being sarcastic you illiterate.
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

Stats are racist now eh.

looks like you went into "conservative reactionary mode" here because TC didn't say anything indicating he thought the stats were racist

DarthAragorn posted...

Wow that's racist

i got the impression DA's post was in jest and yours wasn't. if i misinterpreted then i apologize.
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if you actually live in a bad neighborhood, you should buy a firearm to defend yourself

UnfairRepresent posted...

Legalizing drugs would go a long way towards lowering that violent crime

Still gotta have money to obtain whatever drug one fancies.

The dealers might change but the need will still be the same.
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go watch DOPE on Netflix

you won't ave any further questions afterwards
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The single motherhood rate is ultimately the biggest problem. There are many reasons for it (incarceration rates, cultural, etc), but the end result is a lot of young men without a male role model trying to find their place in the world, and it turns into "lord of the flies" pretty quickly when that happens.
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Bishop9800 posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

I feel like there's a combination of things. Poorer communities will more than likely have an any means necessary type of mentality. Males in general are encouraged even at a young age to toughen up and start fighting. I also feel like a lot of black men aren't encouraged to be as ambitious as everyone else. Guys from broken/divorced families frequently get compared to the "failure fathers" when they do something wrong, certain shows and music is frowned upon, homophobia is really strong as well.

All the pressure of having to be a model black male turns a lot of guys off imo. Once they don't believe they can pull it off, they give up and turn to negativity, drugs, and alcohol.

The shitty education system doesn't help either.

I like this. Real words.

Milkman5 posted...

if you actually live in a bad neighborhood, you should buy a firearm to defend yourself

Kill the person and basically be paranoid that his homies/brother/cousin are looking for me or get shot trying to protect myself.
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Thrillwell posted...

go watch DOPE on Netflix

you won't ave any further questions afterwards

Which leads back to what KStateKing17 was saying in his post.
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AdviceMan posted...

From 15-34 it is the leading cause, reaching almost 50% from 15-24.

Now that isn't that odd when you think about it. How many young adults are dying period? It's almost always an unnatural cause at that age.
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I thought of that. Which is why the fact that white men of the same age die less than 1/8th of the rate by homicide shows you that is not the case. White men have unintentional injuries being the leading cause every time.

So yes, it is odd.
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Bishop9800 posted...

Thrillwell posted...

go watch DOPE on Netflix

you won't ave any further questions afterwards

Which leads back to what KStateKing17 was saying in his post.

Except the whole single mother thing. I've seen and friends with strong women of color that are great mothers. Their children behave very well. Having grandparent in the mix helps immensely.
I've also seen a few single white mothers go around with victim mentality and their children suffer.

I've seen how protective black mothers are in general to their children and I feel this just isn't the reason male black children would wanna immediately go to the dark side.

Peer pressure Yes, Single parent not so much.
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I still think education and more community outreach programs is the key
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Legalizing drugs would go a long way towards lowering that violent crime

Of course. They'd all die from ODs instead.
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Thrillwell posted...

Except the whole single mother thing. I've seen and friends with strong women of color that are great mothers. Their children behave very well. Having grandparent in the mix helps immensely.
I've also seen a few single white mothers go around with victim mentality and their children suffer.

I've seen how protective black mothers are in general to their children and I feel this just isn't the reason male black children would wanna immediately go to the dark side.

Peer pressure Yes, Single parent not so much.

true.
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Lead levels in lower income neighborhood water, man. It's causing violent behavior in certain communities.
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Thrillwell posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

Thrillwell posted...

go watch DOPE on Netflix

you won't ave any further questions afterwards

Which leads back to what KStateKing17 was saying in his post.

Except the whole single mother thing. I've seen and friends with strong women of color that are great mothers. Their children behave very well. Having grandparent in the mix helps immensely.
I've also seen a few single white mothers go around with victim mentality and their children suffer.

I've seen how protective black mothers are in general to their children and I feel this just isn't the reason male black children would wanna immediately go to the dark side.

Peer pressure Yes, Single parent not so much.

Oh I didn't mean the single parent thing specifically. I was calling out the ones that go about putting their child's other parent in a negative light, and then compare that child to said parent when they do something wrong. It's even worse when that other parent is completely absent, because that causes the child to think their negative actions might come from something hereditary.
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wackyteen posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Legalizing drugs would go a long way towards lowering that violent crime

To a degree, yes, but banning for-profit prisons would help tremendously as well

We need more for profit prisons. Work em like dogs.
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hey adviceman, i know of this one other user, nigerianknight who is a much better poster and would have a much better opinion on this subject than you
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Ugh, everywhere i go people troll me with this nigerianknight character. If he's so good, where is he now?! I'll tell you where, he's probably in some hut writing out e-mails to hardworking countries to rob them of their money! FUCK THAT GUY.

yeah imma check out that show on netflix.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

Stats are racist now eh.

looks like you went into "conservative reactionary mode" here because TC didn't say anything indicating he thought the stats were racist

looks like you have a hard time reading yourself, not TC claimed it was racist
the poster after him or her did
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tote_all posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Legalizing drugs would go a long way towards lowering that violent crime

You think that a violent market being made legal and taken over by corporations means they will stop killing each other just because that particular reason is not that good anymore?

Yes, enormously.

See: Prohibition vs the drinking industry today.

Drugs being illegal means the drug industry is intensely violent and dangerous. The profit threshold is vast, gangs are wrapped in it and entire drugcells can be arrested and taken down and a new one can come up literally within a week to take over.

It's also linked to guns.

Having drugs be legalized would save the government billions of dollars, would free up prisons, would improve the economy, would create jobs and would overnight cripple many gangs and the Mexican Cartels.

It would make an enormous difference. It would literally remove one the key if not the biggest motivation for people killing and stealing from each other and the distrust of the police force.
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If only there was some organization that believed black lives mattered and was in position to address this epidemic.... If only.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Mexican Cartels.

lol no those guys are in it too deep.

they will just move on too trafficking slaves or some shit

UnfairRepresent posted...

Legalizing drugs would go a long way towards lowering that violent crime

Or they could just not do drugs
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ilovu posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Mexican Cartels.

lol no those guys are in it too deep.

they will just move on too trafficking slaves or some shit

Sure the US Legalizing drugs would end them but it would cripple their finances, make them have to seek alternative sources of money and back off the US massively.

Which is what we're talking about ITT

KazumaKiryu posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Legalizing drugs would go a long way towards lowering that violent crime

Or they could just not do drugs

Sure, but they don't.

Just like when we made alcohol illegal.

Would be nice if no one sinned ever, but they do. So a good idea is a free society that only punishes people for hurting others. Instead of judging them for what they do to themselves.
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The Admiral posted...

If only there was some organization that believed black lives mattered and was in position to address this epidemic.... If only.

I don't see what this has to do with this topic other than a snide comment.

This topic is simply an indication of the BIGGEST issue pressing young black men, and I wanted to see what CE thought about it and what should be done about it. Next I'm going to research policies, organizations and politicians who regularly address these issues, and finally I'm going to find a way to get involved.

My goal is not to throw shade on any other groups.
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Stop gangsta and "stop snitching" culture. Keep families together by staying away from drugs and other crimes that land you in jail. Just because you think it's a stupid crime, doesn't mean you get a free pass. Stop blaming others for your problems and come together to rise above it, instead of waiting for the ones you blame to give you everything. It's not gonna happen.
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AdviceMan posted...

and finally I'm going to find a way to get involved.

I'l definitely give you props for this.


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Trolls say black on black crime is a myth.
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MangaFan462 posted...

Trolls say black on black crime is a myth.

No they don't. Those 'trolls' say you only bring up those stats in conversations about abusive use of force by police, and that bringing it up in those discussions is disingenuous and an attempt to derail those topics. And those 'trolls' are totally right.
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AdviceMan posted...

your biggest health risk is other black men killing you for your entire young adult life.. That's fucking insane.

sad truth.

nothing will change until society chooses to do something about these neighborhoods
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Thrillwell posted...

Except the whole single mother thing. I've seen and friends with strong women of color that are great mothers. Their children behave very well. Having grandparent in the mix helps immensely.
I've also seen a few single white mothers go around with victim mentality and their children suffer.

I've seen how protective black mothers are in general to their children and I feel this just isn't the reason male black children would wanna immediately go to the dark side.

Peer pressure Yes, Single parent not so much.

You may have seen or known a few strong single mothers, but across the board single motherhood is the largest indicator of problems in those communities. It's a complicated one filled with many factors, but it's consistent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/the-real-complex-connection-between-single-parent-families-and-crime/265860/

The bottom line is that there is a large body of literature showing that children of single mothers are more likely to commit crimes than children who grow up with their married parents. This is true not just in the United States, but wherever the issue has been researched. Few experts, including Cohen, dispute this.

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RE_expert44 posted...

Stop gangsta and "stop snitching" culture. Keep families together by staying away from drugs and other crimes that land you in jail. Just because you think it's a stupid crime, doesn't mean you get a free pass. Stop blaming others for your problems and come together to rise above it, instead of waiting for the ones you blame to give you everything. It's not gonna happen.

While in the interim this is a good policy to have, this does nothing to the people being victims of black violence that are not actually doing drugs or are not part of that culture.

See, if a 15 year old gets gunned down in Chicago and it seems to be "mistaken identity", he couldn't have done anything other than not be black. Thus policies and proposals will always be infinitely more important to alleviating the burden then pointing fingers at people who have no real incentive to respond to community outreach groups.

The question is, how can we as a society lower the amount of black on black violence. If your response is gangsters needs to stop being gangsters, drug dealers need to stop dealing drugs, and fathers that leave need to stop leaving, this might be TRUE, but it is ultimately unhelpful, unless you are attempting to assign blame instead of fixing the problem.
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AdviceMan posted...

If your response is gangsters needs to stop being gangsters, drug dealers need to stop dealing drugs, and fathers that leave need to stop leaving, this might be TRUE, but it is ultimately unhelpful, unless you are attempting to assign blame instead of fixing the problem.

Not to sound like a shit... but how do you fix a problem if you don't identify the source of it first? Assigning blame is more than just saying "its your fault", but identifying whos fault it is in the first place. Once that's established, you can start to look at root causes for said behavior and go from there.
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s0nicfan posted...

AdviceMan posted...

If your response is gangsters needs to stop being gangsters, drug dealers need to stop dealing drugs, and fathers that leave need to stop leaving, this might be TRUE, but it is ultimately unhelpful, unless you are attempting to assign blame instead of fixing the problem.

Not to sound like a shit... but how do you fix a problem if you don't identify the source of it first? Assigning blame is more than just saying "its your fault", but identifying whos fault it is in the first place. Once that's established, you can start to look at root causes for said behavior and go from there.

Everything accurate that he said was effectively said already. He didn't identify a new cause, he just said the same thing everyone else said with the added tag that "the laws might be dumb, but they're the law." If you read that statement as is, you can only say "duh".

The "No Snitching" culture is partly held together on the fact that people who collaborate with police are not protected from the backlash of their own communities. Gangsta culture is not really a thing, other than perhaps in modern hip hop music, and while that is probably not helpful, I sincerely doubt it is a big contributor to the homicide rate. The music reflects reality, so rappers rap about what they know/what they pretend to know (some rappers aren't actually gangsta). The dangerous nature of the neighborhoods leads to gangsta hip hop rap where the culture encourages you to toughen up to protect yourself, which in turn leads to rappers rap about how tough they are "on the streets".
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Really it comes down to "Put people in positions that incentivize bad behavior" and you will get bad behavior. I firmly believe that people will do bad things more reliably if there are incentives for it. The reason why companies can ruin large bodies of water and accept the penalty is because they can afford the penalty. The reason why people sell drugs, is it is the fastest and most reliable way of getting what they want in their environment.

Creating a possible negative incentive (getting caught and going to jail), doesn't help, because once out of jail, the individual cannot get a job, therefore incentivizing selling drugs again.

So once again, if your goal is to fix the problem a certain nuance is required other than "stop doing bad things". That indeed would be ideal, but it's not likely, and there is no real way to stop it other than by creating the infrastructure where less reasonable people will do bad things.
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I'm going to give you guys a friendly suggestion to tread very lightly on this subject. Posting simple facts about African Americans and crime, even if it comes straight from a federal .gov source, can be considered offensive and can get you moderated here.
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I'm not worried.
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