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RedZaraki
01/15/18 10:24:23 AM
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Can we talk for a few minutes about why the Shithole Countries comment is so remarkably racist? I just haven't seen this point made on Reddit or the reports I've read only from a podcast did I hear Dara Lind explain it this way. Yes, the remark is an obvious insult to African nations, but put in the context of the meeting it also becomes an expression of undeniable racism.

At the meeting, some senators were describing to Trump the agreement they'd made about an immigration program involving the Diversity Immigrant Visa. They didn't know which details were important to Trump's position (because when they asked he didn't give them an answer more specific than "everything"), so the Republicans bargained to get rid of things Trump had made public statements against. This was made difficult because Trump's public statements were all wrong: he described it as a way for African dictators to send their worst dregs to America and sabotage it, as a golden ticket where the US paid the moving costs of foreigners, and as a loophole to bypass the screening and vetting processes that once in the US, these visa winners would become freeloaders living off welfare and free medicine. Whether Trump believed these things or had just railed against them to rile his base didn't matter; the senators bargained to change the system such that Trump could conclude he'd fixed all those problems.

Keep in mind what the Diversity Lottery Visa actually does is much less dramatic: a "lottery winner" just gets their application entered into months-long process of screening and vetting. They win the chance to be considered for a visa. They have to pay their own way to the US, prove that they can speak English, are law-abiding citizens, and are healthy. The process selects for applicants who are intelligent, educated, skilled, and driven; who can make demonstrable, quantifiable contributions to US society. Individuals enter the lottery on their own, for free, with no dictator middle man involved anywhere in the process.

So Trump comes into the room to get an update and the senators are filling him in. They've removed, technically, the "lottery" aspect from the program because Trump's railed against it. The program still operates in a similar way, but Trump can claim to have gotten the win, fixed the system, and done away with the Diversity Lottery program. But they describe what they're doing with Haitians and Trump responds with "Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out [of the deal]." They describe how immigrants from African nations are handled he and asks, "Why do we want all these people from shithole countries coming here?"

And, see, this is where he blows all his non-racist cover away. The only factor he cares about here is that the immigrants are from Africa. They're black. He can't claim he's interested in stopping the lottery, because the negotiating senators took care of that. He can't claim he's concerned whether these immigrants speak English, are sick, can pay their own way, are law-abiding, intelligent, educated, skilled, or driven. They spend months proving all of this to a small army of civil servants. But Trump doesn't care about that.

Trump's said lots of racist stuff, but what makes this remarkable is the fact that he has no out. He can't claim that what he was really concerned about was crime, violence, border integrity, or any other dog whistle he'd normally toss out, because the negotiating senators had already accounted for such concerns. He can't claim he was just doing this to satisfy his base, because the senators had given him a way to tell his base he'd fixed the problem.

What it comes down to is that if a visa applicant is black, Trump doesn't care about anything else. He wants them out. With his Shithole Countries comment, he's provided sound logical proof that he's racist.
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UncleBourbon33
01/15/18 10:25:04 AM
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Nah.
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The Admiral
01/15/18 10:28:59 AM
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So you're admitting that those shithole countries were abusing the Democrat's Diversity Lottery Visa program to send us their criminals and degenerates, and then you're wondering why Trump wants fewer people from those nations?
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glitteringfairy
01/15/18 10:29:32 AM
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UncleBourbon33 posted...
Nah.

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cjsdowg
01/15/18 10:29:48 AM
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On point.
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Veggeta_MAX
01/15/18 10:30:03 AM
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Copying this and posting it on LL to get attention, thanks TC
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littlebro07
01/15/18 2:45:32 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/15/18 2:47:21 PM
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tldr.

He's a racist for the birther shit, the other 99% of the "racist" stuff is xenophobia or nationalism.
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SageHarpuia
01/15/18 2:49:19 PM
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I'm not taking time out of my day to read a wall of text that backs up a stupid opinion
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r4X0r
01/15/18 2:50:14 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
tldr.

He's a racist for the birther shit, the other 99% of the "racist" stuff is xenophobia or nationalism.


Is Hillary Clinton a racist too, given that she started the "birther shit?"
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DifferentialEquation
01/15/18 2:51:18 PM
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Donald Trump isn't racist. He's sexy.
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L0Z
01/15/18 2:51:21 PM
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Theres even white people that live in these shithole countries. Just gonna ignore the whites in Haiti so the argument can be made that the comment is racist?
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FigureOfSpeech
01/15/18 2:52:21 PM
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The Admiral posted...
So you're admitting that those shithole countries were abusing the Democrat's Diversity Lottery Visa program to send us their criminals and degenerates, and then you're wondering why Trump wants fewer people from those nations?


So the governments of these countries hand-selected and rounded up criminals and degenerates to send to us?
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_OujiDoza_
01/15/18 2:53:52 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
I'm not taking time out of my day to read a wall of text that backs up a stupid opinion

Fuck did you even post for? Get the fuck out, then.
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unclekoolaid73
01/15/18 2:54:18 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
tldr.

He's a racist for the birther shit, the other 99% of the "racist" stuff is xenophobia or nationalism.


Is Hillary Clinton a racist too, given that she started the "birther shit?"


Dont forget about her calling black teens "super predators".
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/15/18 2:54:27 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
tldr.

He's a racist for the birther shit, the other 99% of the "racist" stuff is xenophobia or nationalism.


Is Hillary Clinton a racist too, given that she started the "birther shit?"


Trump flew investigators to Hawaii to prove it and teased that they were finding lots of interesting info.
Hillary is only loosely tied to the rumor. There's no solid evidence that she was involved.
But the buck stops with Trump. Are you saying birtherism isn't racist?
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FigureOfSpeech
01/15/18 2:55:11 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
tldr.

He's a racist for the birther shit, the other 99% of the "racist" stuff is xenophobia or nationalism.


Is Hillary Clinton a racist too, given that she started the "birther shit?"


lol "but hillary"

The whole Elian Gonzales thing got the Clintons some flack, so she could be. *shrugs*
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/15/18 2:56:11 PM
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unclekoolaid73 posted...

Dont forget about her calling black teens "super predators".


Why are you trying to talk about Hillary? This topic is about Trump.
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0AbsoluteZero0
01/15/18 2:57:47 PM
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The Admiral posted...
So you're admitting that those shithole countries were abusing the Democrat's Diversity Lottery Visa program to send us their criminals and degenerates, and then you're wondering why Trump wants fewer people from those nations?

Someone has reading comprehension difficulties. As stated, winning the diversity lottery only got their application for US citizenship entered. They still have to go thorough rigorous months-long vetting after that point, so no, criminals and degenerates arent getting through thanks to the lottery.
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r4X0r
01/15/18 2:59:22 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
unclekoolaid73 posted...

Dont forget about her calling black teens "super predators".


Why are you trying to talk about Hillary? This topic is about Trump.


It's called "putting things into context." Try it some time.
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r4X0r
01/15/18 2:59:51 PM
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M_Live posted...
Why are the conservative posters on this board so abrasive? Just reading this topic, the replies seem frothing at the mouth


LOL yeah it's not the people running around calling everyone they disagree with a racist that are abrasive.
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FigureOfSpeech
01/15/18 3:00:02 PM
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
The Admiral posted...
So you're admitting that those shithole countries were abusing the Democrat's Diversity Lottery Visa program to send us their criminals and degenerates, and then you're wondering why Trump wants fewer people from those nations?

Someone has reading comprehension difficulties. As stated, ?winning? the diversity lottery only got their application for US citizenship entered. They still have to go thorough rigorous months-long vetting after that point, so no, criminals and degenerates aren?t getting through thanks to the lottery.


But the governments of the countries were specifically only selecting criminals and degenerates to send. Good people, law abiding citizens were denied.
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FigureOfSpeech
01/15/18 3:00:50 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
unclekoolaid73 posted...

Dont forget about her calling black teens "super predators".


Why are you trying to talk about Hillary? This topic is about Trump.


It's called "deflecting" or "whataboutism"

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FigureOfSpeech
01/15/18 3:01:40 PM
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r4X0r posted...
M_Live posted...
Why are the conservative posters on this board so abrasive? Just reading this topic, the replies seem frothing at the mouth


LOL yeah it's not the people running around calling everyone they disagree with a racist that are abrasive.


Which is exactly what you were doing like an hour or two ago
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0AbsoluteZero0
01/15/18 3:04:11 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
r4X0r posted...
M_Live posted...
Why are the conservative posters on this board so abrasive? Just reading this topic, the replies seem frothing at the mouth


LOL yeah it's not the people running around calling everyone they disagree with a racist that are abrasive.

I disagree with you. I don't consider you a racist. I disagree with Trump. I know Trump is a racist.

NOOOO obviously if you disagree with r4XOr you it has to be because youre crying racist! Thats the ONLY possible reason, as he made very very clear while melting down yesterday!!
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ItsYourFault
01/15/18 3:07:13 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Inb4 butthurt Trump supporters meltdown over facts that most people understand
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Broseph_Stalin
01/15/18 3:12:32 PM
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Hillary did not start the birther movement and never called black people super predators but I understand Trump shills need to lie about something completely unrelated when asked to defend something Trump actually said.
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not_shawn_z
01/15/18 3:13:30 PM
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The people who think President Trump is a racist are the same people who get confused about which bathroom people should use
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
01/15/18 3:14:23 PM
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I'm not sure if he is or not but he certainly used racist rhetoric to get a bunch of hicks to vote him into office.

Your average Trump supporter- "well I mean of course I'm pro Trump! I'm a capitalist not a socialist. Trump's gonna do right by us and use the government to bring back failed industries that couldn't survive like coal and manufacturing. Hell I'd probably still have a job if it weren't for all those fucking Mexicans I've never seen stealing my jobs! The absolute best thing about Trump is he's gonna protect me from evil Muslims, especially by keeping out women and children trying to escape war zones. I'm glad he's worried because an attack on small town USA that wouldn't make the national news is definitely what isis wants."
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Mal_Fet
01/15/18 3:14:26 PM
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Question: is Obama a racist because he called Libya a shit show?
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0AbsoluteZero0
01/15/18 3:15:09 PM
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not_shawn_z posted...
The people who think President Trump is a racist are the same people who get confused about which bathroom people should use

The only people who dont realize Trump is a racist are his cultists whose heads are so far up his butt, they couldnt tell you if its day or night
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0AbsoluteZero0
01/15/18 3:16:52 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Question: is Obama a racist because he called Libya a shit show?

Answer: No, because its obvious he was referring to the situation there and not the inhabitants themselves. Nice deflection attempt, tho
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Mal_Fet
01/15/18 3:19:27 PM
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Question: is Obama a racist because he called Libya a shit show?

Answer: No, because its obvious he was referring to the situation there and not the inhabitants themselves. Nice deflection attempt, tho

Calling a country a shithole does not mean all the people in it are shit. Haiti is a shithole because of their insane crime rate and terrible dictatorships.

So not racist then, right?
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not_shawn_z
01/15/18 3:20:29 PM
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
not_shawn_z posted...
The people who think President Trump is a racist are the same people who get confused about which bathroom people should use

The only people who dont realize Trump is a racist are his cultists whose heads are so far up his butt, they couldnt tell you if its day or night


It's day
Not racist

The left has a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is. They think racism means "something that hurts my feelings"
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DragonGirlYuki
01/15/18 3:20:47 PM
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But those African countries are in a terrible situation.
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Freddie_Mercury
01/15/18 3:21:41 PM
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M_Live posted...
Why are the conservative posters on this board so abrasive? Just reading this topic, the replies seem frothing at the mouth


so people will reply to them and derail the topic
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Broseph_Stalin
01/15/18 3:21:43 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Calling a country a shithole does not mean all the people in it are shit.


Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here? Trump said.

Why do we need more Haitians? Trump said, according to people familiar with the meeting. Take them out.
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Thatuser
01/15/18 3:22:54 PM
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I'm not upset by the shithole comment. I live in a place where I can drink tap water without risk of dying, reliable infrastructure for transportation. I'm of Mexican decent and can say the places I've visited there, non tourist areas, are dangerous and dirty compared even to Chicago where I lived most of my life. I chose to move out of that shithole, tbh. I'm much happier for it.
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not_shawn_z
01/15/18 3:24:07 PM
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Thatuser posted...
I'm not upset by the shithole comment. I live in a place where I can drink tap water without risk of dying, reliable infrastructure for transportation. I'm of Mexican decent and can say the places I've visited there, non tourist areas, are dangerous and dirty compared even to Chicago where I lived most of my life. I chose to move out of that shithole, tbh. I'm much happier for it.


Thanks for your opinion. I think that the majority of people who immigrated to The Best Country On The Planet, The USA, would share your sentiments
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TommyG663513
01/15/18 3:25:49 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Calling a country a shithole does not mean all the people in it are shit.


Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here? Trump said.

Why do we need more Haitians? Trump said, according to people familiar with the meeting. Take them out.


But Hilary...
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prince_leo
01/15/18 3:26:52 PM
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r4X0r posted...
It's called "putting things into context." Try it some time.

which if you put the super predators quote into context then it's not even worth talking about decades after the fact
I don't even care for hillary but at least have some legitimate criticism instead of the super predator or "laughing rapist" stuff
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UnholyMudcrab
01/15/18 3:27:27 PM
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Freddie_Mercury posted...
M_Live posted...
Why are the conservative posters on this board so abrasive? Just reading this topic, the replies seem frothing at the mouth


so people will reply to them and derail the topic

And it works like a charm every time
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Mistere Man
01/15/18 3:28:28 PM
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Funbazooka
01/15/18 3:31:34 PM
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not_shawn_z posted...
The people who think President Trump is a racist are the same people who get confused about which bathroom people should use

Damn son
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FigureOfSpeech
01/15/18 3:32:01 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Question: is Obama a racist because he called Libya a shit show?


Someone already tried this
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