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Howl
01/12/18 4:37:19 PM
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Who the fuck even cares? Really? When was the last time anybody honestly thought about any of the countries he was talking about or did anything to help them that posts here?
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eston
01/12/18 4:38:07 PM
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Lots of people obviously care or else it wouldn't be an issue.

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r4X0r
01/12/18 4:38:28 PM
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I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.
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metralo
01/12/18 4:38:39 PM
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yeah who fucking cares that the leader of the united states says blatantly racist remarks
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not_shawn_z
01/12/18 4:38:55 PM
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It was a dumb comment that will have dire consequences when Haiti and Africa decide to no longer send foreign aid money to the US
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metralo
01/12/18 4:39:15 PM
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r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


because you keep deflecting to the country thing and ignoring the fact that its about the people living in the countries.

accept your racism.
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Howl
01/12/18 4:39:18 PM
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eston posted...
Lots of people obviously care or else it wouldn't be an issue.

/topic


They don't care though. They're using it aa an excuse to call Trump a bigot tbh.
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not_shawn_z
01/12/18 4:39:22 PM
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metralo posted...
yeah who fucking cares that the leader of the united states says blatantly racist remarks


Learn what racism is
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Hexenherz
01/12/18 4:39:37 PM
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r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


The issue is that the president is THE representative of the country and should be held to a far higher standard.
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The Admiral
01/12/18 4:39:38 PM
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No one really cares, it's just an excuse to attack Trump and simultaneously virtue signal.
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metralo
01/12/18 4:39:49 PM
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not_shawn_z posted...
metralo posted...
yeah who fucking cares that the leader of the united states says blatantly racist remarks


Learn what racism is


ive seen you and your alts say plenty of racist drivel, don't worry I know exactly what it is
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r4X0r
01/12/18 4:40:16 PM
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metralo posted...
r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


because you keep deflecting to the country thing and ignoring the fact that its about the people living in the countries.

accept your racism.


Referring to the actual words said is not "deflecting." Trying to turn a valid point into racism, THAT is deflecting.

Those countries are shitholes. Do you refute that?
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Giant_Aspirin
01/12/18 4:40:24 PM
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r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


regardless of whether any of them actually are shitholes, that is NOT something the President of the goddamn United States should be saying. he should NOT be acting like a chil -- oh.
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eston
01/12/18 4:40:44 PM
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Howl posted...
eston posted...
Lots of people obviously care or else it wouldn't be an issue.

/topic


They don't care though. They're using it aa an excuse to call Trump a bigot tbh.

I don't think you get to decide what other people care about
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ThePrinceFish
01/12/18 4:41:35 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


regardless of whether any of them actually are shitholes, that is NOT something the President of the goddamn United States should be saying. he should NOT be acting like a chil -- oh.

Obama called Libya a "shitshow" and there was not a word of coverage on it sooo
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metralo
01/12/18 4:42:02 PM
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r4X0r posted...
metralo posted...
r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


because you keep deflecting to the country thing and ignoring the fact that its about the people living in the countries.

accept your racism.


Referring to the actual words said is not "deflecting." Trying to turn a valid point into racism, THAT is deflecting.

Those countries are shitholes. Do you refute that?


because he's talking about the people immigrating from shit hole countries.

its never been about the fucking countries. it makes it more obvious when he brings norway into it.
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Howl
01/12/18 4:43:38 PM
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eston posted...
Howl posted...
eston posted...
Lots of people obviously care or else it wouldn't be an issue.

/topic


They don't care though. They're using it aa an excuse to call Trump a bigot tbh.

I don't think you get to decide what other people care about


I'm not deciding for them. I just don't believe anyone here that says they honestly care about any of those countries, otherwise they would have been at least talked anout here, and people would have already been doing something to help them. Have you or any of these people who claim to care so much actually done anything to help them at all?
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Hexenherz
01/12/18 4:43:41 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


regardless of whether any of them actually are shitholes, that is NOT something the President of the goddamn United States should be saying. he should NOT be acting like a chil -- oh.

Obama called Libya a "shitshow" and there was not a word of coverage on it sooo

It's almost like he was referring to a political situation caused by the consequences of decisions he made to effect change in that country, and... you know, not the people living there specifically.
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not_shawn_z
01/12/18 4:44:32 PM
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metralo posted...
r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


because you keep deflecting to the country thing and ignoring the fact that its about the people living in the countries.

accept your racism.


Or maybe you're a racist for making these wild accusations

Maybe it's a shithole country because of this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Maybe it's because the gdp per capita is less than the average Americans biweekly paycheck?

Maybe it's because diseases and illness' that we're eradicated a century ago are still death sentences there?

Maybe it's because the murder and crime rate is so high?

Maybe because the infant death rate is 45x more than other nations?

How are so many people who are liberals able to completely disregard all of this and just say it's about race? It's completely bizarre
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Sativa_Rose
01/12/18 4:46:22 PM
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It makes him look like a dumbass and a terrible diplomat. It's not racist, just stupid.
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Warrior_Man
01/12/18 4:46:23 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


regardless of whether any of them actually are shitholes, that is NOT something the President of the goddamn United States should be saying. he should NOT be acting like a chil -- oh.

Obama called Libya a "shitshow" and there was not a word of coverage on it sooo

It's almost like he was referring to a political situation caused by the consequences of decisions he made to effect change in that country, and... you know, not the people living there specifically.

That's odd since he referenced tribalism (my God, how could he blame the people of Libya?) and failure of our allies to assist the situation in the country.
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Hexenherz
01/12/18 4:46:34 PM
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It's not about "liberals" and if you think it is, you basically might want to consider growing up. It's about trying to hold someone to a higher standard since they're the premier elected representative of your nation on a global stage.

It's one thing to acknowledge that a country is undeveloped compared to other countries, it's another thing entirely to call it a "shithole" and mock the people that live there.
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Broseph_Stalin
01/12/18 4:47:55 PM
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not_shawn_z posted...
How are so many people who are liberals able to completely disregard all of this and just say it's about race?


Because this whole story is specifically about individuals and not countries.

Conservaderps are actually trying to pretend all the people in that meeting were having some best country debate lmao.
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Zeus
01/12/18 4:48:37 PM
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You mean a manufactured controversy about Trump is baseless? I can't believe it!
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Hexenherz
01/12/18 4:49:41 PM
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Warrior_Man posted...
Hexenherz posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


regardless of whether any of them actually are shitholes, that is NOT something the President of the goddamn United States should be saying. he should NOT be acting like a chil -- oh.

Obama called Libya a "shitshow" and there was not a word of coverage on it sooo

It's almost like he was referring to a political situation caused by the consequences of decisions he made to effect change in that country, and... you know, not the people living there specifically.

That's odd since he referenced tribalism (my God, how could he blame the people of Libya?) and failure of our allies to assist the situation in the country.


"Tribalism" is an entirely neutral word. And he was specifically talking about the lack of follow on action to aid the country after the removal of Gaddafi. "Libya is a shitshow" in this context refers to the events that transpired after the fall of Gaddafi, not about the country or its inhabitants.
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r4X0r
01/12/18 4:51:43 PM
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not_shawn_z posted...


How are so many people who are liberals able to completely disregard all of this and just say it's about race? It's completely bizarre


That's how the liberal mind works. When a conservative debates somebody, they find reasons that show that person is wrong. Liberals can't do that, because their points of view can't survive even the slightest scrutiny. So what they do is look for ways to dismiss a person and their views with them. By saying "That's racist" in their mind, they don't have to look at a person's views at all, because that accusation of racism invalidates anything they have to say.

And I still have yet to see anyone make the case that those countries ARE NOT shitholes.
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refmon
01/12/18 4:52:25 PM
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Zeus posted...
You mean a manufactured controversy about Trump is baseless? I can't believe it!

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FigureOfSpeech
01/12/18 4:53:51 PM
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...
I hold a deep, visceral hatred for whomever it was that popularized "nothingburger" as a term for insubstantial allegations of scandal.


This. Anytime anyone uses it, I get this sense that they've degraded themselves and are now forever unclean.
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r4X0r
01/12/18 4:55:58 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
I hold a deep, visceral hatred for whomever it was that popularized "nothingburger" as a term for insubstantial allegations of scandal.


This. Anytime anyone uses it, I get this sense that they've degraded themselves and are now forever unclean.


It was a black dude called Van Jones, so you're both racists apparently. According to the standards of this forum, at least. I'm still trying to figure it out.
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not_shawn_z
01/12/18 4:56:13 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
It makes him look like a dumbass and a terrible diplomat. It's not racist, just stupid.


This is a much better argument to make. One that's easily argued, because this is an "anonymous source" that's claiming he said this after all. But regardless. This should be what the argument is. This user is being honest
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Hexenherz
01/12/18 4:56:27 PM
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r4X0r posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
I hold a deep, visceral hatred for whomever it was that popularized "nothingburger" as a term for insubstantial allegations of scandal.


This. Anytime anyone uses it, I get this sense that they've degraded themselves and are now forever unclean.


It was a black dude called Van Jones, so you're both racists apparently. According to the standards of this forum, at least. I'm still trying to figure it out.

No relation... wth man.
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FigureOfSpeech
01/12/18 4:56:48 PM
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not_shawn_z posted...
metralo posted...
r4X0r posted...
I've yet to see anyone refute that those countries are shitholes.


because you keep deflecting to the country thing and ignoring the fact that its about the people living in the countries.

accept your racism.


Or maybe you're a racist for making these wild accusations

Maybe it's a shithole country because of this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Maybe it's because the gdp per capita is less than the average Americans biweekly paycheck?

Maybe it's because diseases and illness' that we're eradicated a century ago are still death sentences there?

Maybe it's because the murder and crime rate is so high?

Maybe because the infant death rate is 45x more than other nations?

How are so many people who are liberals able to completely disregard all of this and just say it's about race? It's completely bizarre


Imagine literally typing illness' instead of illnesses.
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FigureOfSpeech
01/12/18 4:58:21 PM
#37:


r4X0r posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
I hold a deep, visceral hatred for whomever it was that popularized "nothingburger" as a term for insubstantial allegations of scandal.


This. Anytime anyone uses it, I get this sense that they've degraded themselves and are now forever unclean.


It was a black dude called Van Jones, so you're both racists apparently. According to the standards of this forum, at least. I'm still trying to figure it out.


You are bang out of order. That was completely uncalled for. Shame on you.
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not_shawn_z
01/12/18 4:58:24 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
It's not about "liberals" and if you think it is, you basically might want to consider growing up. It's about trying to hold someone to a higher standard since they're the premier elected representative of your nation on a global stage.

It's one thing to acknowledge that a country is undeveloped compared to other countries, it's another thing entirely to call it a "shithole" and mock the people that live there.


I'm grown up, make a lot of money, own a home. Not a good argument to make, friend

And no, you being offended isn't an argument. Not being PC isn't an argument. 'He used a bad word" is the same bullshit, ridiculous rhetoric that lead Trump to becoming president in the first place
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Hexenherz
01/12/18 4:59:30 PM
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not_shawn_z posted...
Hexenherz posted...
It's not about "liberals" and if you think it is, you basically might want to consider growing up. It's about trying to hold someone to a higher standard since they're the premier elected representative of your nation on a global stage.

It's one thing to acknowledge that a country is undeveloped compared to other countries, it's another thing entirely to call it a "shithole" and mock the people that live there.


I'm grown up, make a lot of money, own a home. Not a good argument to make, friend

And no, you being offended isn't an argument. Not being PC isn't an argument. 'He used a bad word" is the same bullshit, ridiculous rhetoric that lead Trump to becoming president in the first place


You may be physically grown up, buddy, but mentally you have a ways to go if you think this is something only "liberals" are offended about.
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not_shawn_z
01/12/18 4:59:30 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

Imagine literally typing illness' instead of illnesses.


Nowhere near the worst mistake to make. I've done much worse
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C_Pain
01/12/18 4:59:48 PM
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im sick of hearing about racism

fuck off libs
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Hexenherz
01/12/18 4:59:58 PM
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Oh, it's "not_shawn_z", I thought I had you ignored. I forgot about your ridiculous trolling in other topics.
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Funbazooka
01/12/18 5:00:26 PM
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It's just an impolite and blunt term for third-world nations.

You can either light your hair on fire cuz you hate Drumpf so much or be a big boy and move on.
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creativerealms
01/12/18 5:00:43 PM
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Any it's sad that it is. It should be a deal breaker. Hell most presidents wouldn't be able to say half of what Trump gets away with.
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not_shawn_z
01/12/18 5:00:52 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
Oh, it's "not_shawn_z", I thought I had you ignored. I forgot about your ridiculous trolling in other topics.


You're a troll
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Hexenherz
01/12/18 5:02:13 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Hexenherz posted...
Oh, it's "not_shawn_z", I thought I had you ignored. I forgot about your ridiculous trolling in other topics.

He has another very similar account that's warned for a bunch of racist white nationalist bullshit in another topic.

Yeah I was dumb and tired last weekend and engaged him in an argument about transgenderism and I don't know why I did that I guess it helped me stay awake. I don't know why I unblocked him rofl.
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not_shawn_z
01/12/18 5:03:15 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...
Hexenherz posted...
Oh, it's "not_shawn_z", I thought I had you ignored. I forgot about your ridiculous trolling in other topics.

He has another very similar account that's warned for a bunch of racist white nationalist bullshit in another topic.

Yeah I was dumb and tired last weekend and engaged him in an argument about transgenderism and I don't know why I did that I guess it helped me stay awake. I don't know why I unblocked him rofl.


I wouldn't listen to the guy you're talking to, he's a racist
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FigureOfSpeech
01/12/18 5:05:39 PM
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not_shawn_z posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...

Imagine literally typing illness' instead of illnesses.


Nowhere near the worst mistake to make. I've done much worse


I believe it lol
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