Current Events > Does anyone else ever forget that Ice type was introduced in Gen 1?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Even now it seems like it's fairly under-utilized.
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Nope, but it definitely is underused. Is it still the rarest Pokemon type?

It's fairly easy to remember given Lapras, Jynx, Articuno, Dewgong, Cloyster, etc. Also with how useful Freeze was in gen 1 since Pokemon never thawed out naturally.

Don't Jynx it.
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werent they all water/ice basically?
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luigi13579 posted...

Nope, but it definitely is underused. Is it still the rarest Pokemon type?

It's fairly easy to remember given Lapras, Jynx, Articuno, Dewgong, Cloyster, etc. Also with how useful Freeze was in gen 1 since Pokemon never thawed out naturally.

Ghost.
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luigi13579 posted...

It's fairly easy to remember given Lapras, Jynx, Articuno, Dewgong, Cloyster, etc. Also with how useful Freeze was in gen 1 since Pokemon never thawed out naturally.

Also the fact that one of the elite 4 uses only ice types...
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Balrog0 posted...

werent they all water/ice basically?

Articuno. Jynx. You buffoon.
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Balrog0 posted...

werent they all water/ice basically?

IIRC Jynx is Ice/Psychic, Articuno is Ice/Flying, then all the rest were Water/Ice. I don't think there were any pure Ice types.
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No, Articuno alone is the obvious reminder.

Ice has been fairly prevalent but you shouldn't want more ice types, ice is a very shitty defensive type.
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ChainedRedone posted...

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Also the fact that one of the elite 4 uses only ice types...

Don't know how I forgot to mention that.

hollow_shrine posted...

Ghost.

Yeah, Ghost was rarer in the earlier gens. I think Ice has since supplanted it though.

M_Live posted...

I thought dual types weren't in gen 1 initially

Nah, there were quite a few, e.g. Normal/Flying, Grass/Poison and Rock/Ground.

MC_BatCommander posted...

No, Articuno alone is the obvious reminder.

Ice has been fairly prevalent but you shouldn't want more ice types, ice is a very shitty defensive type.

It's been a long ass time since I played but didn't Cloyster have the highest possible defense in Gen1? Or do you mean the Ice type itself is too vulnerable to other types?
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VectorChaos posted...

Or do you mean the Ice type itself is too vulnerable to other types?

I think he means this because it's weak to fighting and fire.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

No, Articuno alone is the obvious reminder.

Ice has been fairly prevalent but you shouldn't want more ice types, ice is a very shitty defensive type.

Maybe they will make Ice a better defensive type or otherwise make it better.

I can dream. Come on, 11th Gen!
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There weren't even any pure Ice types until Gen 3.
Not that you'd want a pure Ice type anyway. Except Regice, I suppose.
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JustMonika posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Or do you mean the Ice type itself is too vulnerable to other types?

I think he means this because it's weak to fighting and fire.

And rock, iirc

Or maybe it's steel, idr
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I think everyone gave their Wartortle Ice Beam
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JustMonika posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Or do you mean the Ice type itself is too vulnerable to other types?

I think he means this because it's weak to fighting and fire.

and rock. and steel.
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teepan95 posted...

JustMonika posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Or do you mean the Ice type itself is too vulnerable to other types?

I think he means this because it's weak to fighting and fire.

And rock, iirc

Or maybe it's steel, idr

rock, fighting, fire, and steel and only resists ice

basically if you slap ice type on any other type you're just adding weaknesses.
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VectorChaos posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

No, Articuno alone is the obvious reminder.

Ice has been fairly prevalent but you shouldn't want more ice types, ice is a very shitty defensive type.

It's been a long ass time since I played but didn't Cloyster have the highest possible defense in Gen1? Or do you mean the Ice type itself is too vulnerable to other types?

Ice is weak against most of the popular offensive types and neutral against pretty much everything else, which means its taking at least full damage. Coupled with a weakness to Stealth Rock and the fact that pretty much every Pokemon can learn Ice Beam makes Ice typing a strong disadvantage.
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Man, that is pretty shitty :/
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Ice is a pretty crappy typing but ice type attacks provide pretty amazing coverage
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Taxer posted...

Ice is a pretty crappy typing but ice type attacks provide pretty amazing coverage

IIRC Ice was the only attack type Dragons were weak to in Gen1, right? Even though there were what, literally only 3 Dragon types in the same evolution chain? I think one or two you were actually required to fight in the story?

This topic is making me nostalgia for Pokemon :/ I haven't played since like Ruby/Sapphire
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VectorChaos posted...

Taxer posted...

Ice is a pretty crappy typing but ice type attacks provide pretty amazing coverage

IIRC Ice was the only attack type Dragons were weak to in Gen1, right? Even though there were what, literally only 3 Dragon types in the same evolution chain? I think one or two you were actually required to fight in the story?

This topic is making me nostalgia for Pokemon :/ I haven't played since like Ruby/Sapphire

Yes

I dont think Dragon super affected Dragon until gen 2.

Which is why along with Persian and Mewtwo, Dragonite was one of the strongest pokemon in that generation.
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jonicthechao4 posted...

I think everyone gave their Wartortle Ice Beam

No one used Wartortle though.
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And, uh, Dragon was definitely weak to Dragon in gen 1. I don't know what you guys are talking about.
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BLAKUboy posted...

And, uh, Dragon was definitely weak to Dragon in gen 1. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

The only Dragon move in Gen 1 was Dragon Rage which always deals 40 damage and thus isn't affected by resistances or vulnerabilities. So Dragon had no weakness in practice.

The same is almost true of Ghost which only had Lick, Confuse Ray, and Nightshade. Lick is the only one that deals damage normally.
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luigi13579 posted...

It's fairly easy to remember given Lapras, Jynx, Articuno, Dewgong, Cloyster, etc. Also with how useful Freeze was in gen 1 since Pokemon never thawed out naturally.

There's also the fact that fire didn't resist ice in Gen I.

It was extra nasty.
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Not really; dark & steel have always been pretty firmly planted in my head as the "new types".
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tm13
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Gafemage posted...

Not really; dark & steel have always been pretty firmly planted in my head as the "new types".

100%

I remember they added them to the card game and it was a literal game changer
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LinksLiege posted...

luigi13579 posted...

It's fairly easy to remember given Lapras, Jynx, Articuno, Dewgong, Cloyster, etc. Also with how useful Freeze was in gen 1 since Pokemon never thawed out naturally.

There's also the fact that fire didn't resist ice in Gen I.

It was extra nasty.

It does, but whatever little thing which was responsible for displaying an effectiveness message only checked the last type(so it would say an Ice attack was Super Effective against Charizard because its second type was flying). It didn't actually do SE damage though.

Ice could definitely use a hand defensively though. Water could probably live with Ice resisting it, but the only other resistances that make sense(to me) are already marginal offensively(like Grass).
Oh, and it recently occurred to me that it's really weird that Victreebell and Carnivine don't have some sort of ability that makes them stronger against bug types(as they're both based upon carnivorous plants that primarily eat bugs).