Current Events > The instant ramen you get in Asia is almost restaurant quality

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but it is hard to find them in America.

its called instant noodles mate

stop weeb'n
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ramen has msg. RIP your nerves

ModLogic posted...

its called instant noodles mate

stop weeb'n

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Maybe the restaurants are just serving the instant ramen you get at the supermarket. Stuffs like 80% salt anyway.
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what is the difference between ramen and spagahetti
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Kelystic posted...

what is the difference between ramen and spagahetti

Spaghetti is a specific type of pasta while Ramen is a specific type of noodle soup.

Third_Eye posted...

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just educating the ignorant
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JE19426 posted...

Kelystic posted...

what is the difference between ramen and spagahetti

Spaghetti is a specific type of pasta while Ramen is a specific type of noodle soup.

wrong
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chi_cab posted...

wrong

Nope. Try again, buddy.

TC don't know shit bout local asian markets
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JE19426 posted...

chi_cab posted...

wrong

Nope. Try again, buddy.

ramen is also just a type of pasta

there is hong kong food that uses ramen noodles
and it's not called ramen
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chi_cab posted...

ramen is also just a type of pasta

there is hong kong food that uses ramen noodles
and it's not called ramen

Ramen noodles are not ramen, they are ramen noodles.

lmao

saying ramen noodles is like saying "bo staff" or "atm machine"
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chi_cab posted...

saying ramen noodles is like saying "bo staff" or "atm machine"

In other words normal.

JE19426 posted...

chi_cab posted...

saying ramen noodles is like saying "bo staff" or "atm machine"

In other words normal.

It's like when people pronounce karaoke as "carry-oh-key" or Mount Everest as "ever-est". It's said that way so much that it's considered normal, but it's still completely wrong.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

It's like when people pronounce karaoke as "carry-oh-key" or Mount Everest as "ever-est". It's said that way so much that it's considered normal, but it's still completely wrong.

That's not how language works. If using term in a specific way is considered normal, then it's correct to do so.

JE19426 posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

It's like when people pronounce karaoke as "carry-oh-key" or Mount Everest as "ever-est". It's said that way so much that it's considered normal, but it's still completely wrong.

That's not how language works. If using term in a specific way is considered normal, then it's correct to do so.

No, that's objectively wrong. It may be acceptable to do so, but that still doesn't make it correct.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

It may be acceptable to do so, but that still doesn't make it correct.

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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

No, that's objectively wrong.

Nope, try again.

It may be acceptable to do so, but that still doesn't make it correct.

When it comes to language, it most certainly does.

So you're saying that the locals here who say "I like one Coke, tree time" are correctly asking for three Cokes?
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

So you're saying that the locals here who say "I like one Coke, tree time" are correctly asking for three Cokes?

If that's common usage, then yes. How do you think what's correct and incorrect in language gets decided?

JE19426 posted...

chi_cab posted...

saying ramen noodles is like saying "bo staff" or "atm machine"

In other words normal.

lmfao!
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JE19426 posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

So you're saying that the locals here who say "I like one Coke, tree time" are correctly asking for three Cokes?

If that's common usage, then yes.

I'm laughing on the inside
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Capital_Tenant posted...

I'm laughing on the inside

You find facts funny?

We have grammatical rules, you know. Stuff that they teach you in English in school.

And karaoke and Everest aren't even debatable; pronouncing them as I previously stated is just flat out wrong as they have set pronunciations. In Japanese, letters are always pronounced one way. "Ka" will always be pronounced like the "ca" in car, not like in "carry". Just because most people are too ignorant or lazy to say them correctly doesn't make the mispronunciation correct.
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JE19426 posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

So you're saying that the locals here who say "I like one Coke, tree time" are correctly asking for three Cokes?

If that's common usage, then yes. How do you think what's correct and incorrect in language gets decided?

I wasn't sure if this guy was serious or not, but I think this should be a red flag that he's either trolling or not worth having a conversation with at all.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

We have grammatical rules, you know. Stuff that they teach you in English in school.

How do you think those grammer rules are created?

And karaoke and Everest aren't even debatable; pronouncing them as I previously stated is just flat out wrong as they have set pronunciations. In Japanese, letters are always pronounced one way. "Ka" will always be pronounced like the "ca" in car, not like in "carry". Just because most people are too ignorant or lazy to say them correctly doesn't make the mispronunciation correct.

You might have a point if people are speaking Japanese when they say karaoke. If they are speaking English you most certainly don't.

YugiNoob posted...

I wasn't sure if this guy was serious or not, but I think this should be a red flag that he's either trolling or not worth having a conversation with at all.

Understaing basic facts about language is a red flag that I'm a troll?

Words like sushi, samurai, karaoke are English words of Japanese origin and that's how they're pronounced in English.

edit: and unless you're japanese you're still probably pronouncing it incorrectly
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SoundNetwork posted...

Words like sushi, samurai, karaoke are English words of Japanese origin

Correct.

that's how they're pronounced in English.

I'm not sure what you mean here. You don't actually say how they are pronounced in English.

JE19426 posted...

How do you think those grammer rules are created?

It doesn't matter when they were created; what matters is that they're set in stone until an official change comes about. You can't just say "This is common, so it's automatically correct".

JE19426 posted...

You might have a point if people are speaking Japanese when they say karaoke. If they are speaking English you most certainly don't.

English has more leniency because letters can be pronounced differently, but Everest is pronounced "eve-rest". Even though 99% of the world might pronounce it "ever-est", that doesn't change the fact that it was named after George Everest, whose name was pronounced "eve-rest".
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

We have grammatical rules, you know. Stuff that they teach you in English in school.

And karaoke and Everest aren't even debatable; pronouncing them as I previously stated is just flat out wrong as they have set pronunciations. In Japanese, letters are always pronounced one way. "Ka" will always be pronounced like the "ca" in car, not like in "carry". Just because most people are too ignorant or lazy to say them correctly doesn't make the mispronunciation correct.

It's funny because Japanese immigrants were large contributors to Hawaiian Pidgen.

You might as well go to Japan and yell at Osakans for butchering "proper Japanese".
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SoundNetwork posted...

Words like sushi, samurai, karaoke are English words of Japanese origin and that's how they're pronounced in English.

edit: and unless you're japanese you're still probably pronouncing it incorrectly

I'm full Japanese and I pronounce those words correctly. How would people mispronounce sushi though? I would think some of the top mispronounced Japanese words would be kamikaze, karaoke, ninja, samurai, and I guess anything with an R, since people would probably use the "English" R.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

It doesn't matter when they were created; what matters is that they're set in stone until an official change comes about.

It totally matters how they are made because how are we going to get new "official changes" otherwise?

English has more leniency because letters can be pronounced differently, but Everest is pronounced "eve-rest". Even though 99% of the world might pronounce it "ever-est", that doesn't change the fact that it was named after George Everest, whose name was pronounced "eve-rest".

Wrong. If 99% of English speakers pronounce a term a specific way then that method of pronouncing that term is a correct way of prounounce that term. The origin of the term is irrelevant.

tri sapphire posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

We have grammatical rules, you know. Stuff that they teach you in English in school.

And karaoke and Everest aren't even debatable; pronouncing them as I previously stated is just flat out wrong as they have set pronunciations. In Japanese, letters are always pronounced one way. "Ka" will always be pronounced like the "ca" in car, not like in "carry". Just because most people are too ignorant or lazy to say them correctly doesn't make the mispronunciation correct.

It's funny because Japanese immigrants were large contributors to Hawaiian Pidgen.

You might as well go to Japan and yell at Osakans for butchering "proper Japanese".

Actually Pidgin was mostly influenced by the native Hawaiians, which is why a great majority of the people with horrible grammar and syntax here are pacific islanders, either local Hawaiians, or Tongan, Samoan, Marshallese, etc. You rarely see Asians here who speak Pidgin; they speak just normal English or have an accent of their homeland.
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JE19426 posted...

Wrong. If 99% of English speakers pronounce a term a specific way then that method of pronouncing that term is a correct way of prounounce that term. The origin of the term is irrelevant.

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fuzzylittlbunny posted...


Ok, see you later.

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

JE19426 posted...

Wrong. If 99% of English speakers pronounce a term a specific way then that method of pronouncing that term is a correct way of prounounce that term. The origin of the term is irrelevant.

how is he wrong?
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

tri sapphire posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

We have grammatical rules, you know. Stuff that they teach you in English in school.

And karaoke and Everest aren't even debatable; pronouncing them as I previously stated is just flat out wrong as they have set pronunciations. In Japanese, letters are always pronounced one way. "Ka" will always be pronounced like the "ca" in car, not like in "carry". Just because most people are too ignorant or lazy to say them correctly doesn't make the mispronunciation correct.

It's funny because Japanese immigrants were large contributors to Hawaiian Pidgen.

You might as well go to Japan and yell at Osakans for butchering "proper Japanese".

Actually Pidgin was mostly influenced by the native Hawaiians, which is why a great majority of the people with horrible grammar and syntax here are pacific islanders, either local Hawaiians, or Tongan, Samoan, Marshallese, etc. You rarely see Asians here who speak Pidgin; they speak just normal English or have an accent of their homeland.

Yeah, tell that to my family. Both lines that are 100% Japanese go into full on pidgen at times. It's pretty much dependent on how long they've been here.

Can't blame Marshallese and Tongans for it, since many of them are first or second gen here and are learning English as a second language. And most recent Samoans are pretty well spoken, probably because of the stronger presence of English in Samoa.

For the Hawaiians and others that have been here since those days though, pidgen is basically a mark of being local. Like I said, go tell some Osakans to speak "proper" Japanese and see what their response is.
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GhettoFlip posted...

how is he wrong?

A majority can be incorrect. If a parent names their child Joe but wants it pronounced "Joey", then literally every single person who pronounces his name as "Joe" will be wrong, even though that's the common method of saying that name.

And tri, I don't know what to say. I've lived here 29 years, my parents 60-something, but we speak proper English. I hope this doesn't sound stuck up or anything, but Pidgin is more of a gutter language to us I guess.

I also don't really know what that has to do with the pronunciation issue though. Japanese people tend to know how to pronounce Japanese words, especially those from Japan. They would know that "carry-oh-key" or "ka-muh-ka-zee" are incorrect, although they might still say it like that to fit in. Also "proper" Japanese, is the correct way. Even if some people have forgotten it or have chosen to abandon it, that doesn't make it wrong.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

If a parent names their child Joe but wants it pronounced "Joey", then literally every single person who pronounces his name as "Joe" will be wrong, even though that's the common method of saying that name.

Nope, all those people would be correct.

Japanese people tend to know how to pronounce Japanese words, especially those from Japan.

It's not a Japanese word when it's used in English, it's an English word with Japanese origins.

Local Asian Markets are your best bet TC, just google your local area.
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M_Live posted...

Wait what I had no idea either of those were wrong

They aren't.

M_Live posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

JE19426 posted...

chi_cab posted...

saying ramen noodles is like saying "bo staff" or "atm machine"

In other words normal.

It's like when people pronounce karaoke as "carry-oh-key" or Mount Everest as "ever-est". It's said that way so much that it's considered normal, but it's still completely wrong.

Wait what I had no idea either of those were wrong

Yeah, since karaoke is Japanese, it's pronounced "ka-ra-oh-ke", regardless of what language it's being used in. Mount Everest is literally named after a guy, so that's why its pronounced that way.

Don't listen to the guy who thinks that parents aren't able to name their kids what they want.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

GhettoFlip posted...

how is he wrong?

A majority can be incorrect. If a parent names their child Joe but wants it pronounced "Joey", then literally every single person who pronounces his name as "Joe" will be wrong, even though that's the common method of saying that name.

That's why God invented diacritic marks.

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

Yeah, since karaoke is Japanese, it's pronounced "ka-ra-oh-ke", regardless of what language it's being used in.

Nope. It's not Japanese if you aren't using Japanese.

Mount Everest is literally named after a guy, so that's why its pronounced that way.

Wrong.

Don't listen to the guy who thinks that parents aren't able to name their kids what they want.

Nobody said that.

Indomie >>>

Yeah, considering you're just denying my facts rather than refuting them in any sort of reasonable manner, that pretty much confirms you're trolling. On the other hand, I shall leave you with this

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-Mount-Everests-name

And are you really going to deny post #41? You said that all the people mispronouncing the name would be correct. That means that a parent isn't able to name their kid something if it's out of the ordinary and will be mispronounced, or else the incorrect version will be correct.
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