Poll of the Day > Do you consider pro wrestlers accomplished?

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Solid Sonic 01/10/18 8:49:56 PM #1:	(topic) --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:893799925] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>(topic)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 01/10/18 8:57:12 PM #2:	like wwe wrestlers? yeah, why not? because the outcomes are pre-determined? it's still a level of athleticism and showmanship most people don't achieve. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:893800320] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>like wwe wrestlers? yeah, why not? because the outcomes are pre-determined? it's still a level of athleticism and showmanship most people don't achieve.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 01/10/18 8:58:38 PM #3:	Yes, they practically print money --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:893800413] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>Yes, they practically print money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 01/10/18 8:59:04 PM #4:	They have literally accomplished a thing, why wouldn't they be? --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:893800436] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>They have literally accomplished a thing, why wouldn't they be?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 01/10/18 9:06:49 PM #5:	I cant say I think about them Many are celebrities though and do impressive physical feats that your average joe couldnt pull off, not sure what the argument would be that they arent accomplished, whatever that even means --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:893800898] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>I cant say I think about them Many are celebrities though and do impressive physical feats that your average joe couldnt pull off, not sure what the argument would be that they arent accomplished, whatever that even means</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 01/10/18 9:08:13 PM #6:	Thats a weird question. --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:893800994] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>Thats a weird question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BADoglick 01/10/18 9:21:09 PM #7:	They make a lot of money, they're relatively famous, and I'm sure most are happy doing it. I don't get how they wouldn't be accomplished --- BADoglick to the Max! <cite>BADoglick posted [p:893801855] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>They make a lot of money, they're relatively famous, and I'm sure most are happy doing it. I don't get how they wouldn't be accomplished</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ferko420 01/10/18 9:29:04 PM #8:	The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything.... --- Switch: Ferko: SW-3592-8151-5043 3DS: Ferko: 4167-4487-9551 PSN: HAVOCtheHedgehog <cite>ferko420 posted [p:893802283] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 01/10/18 9:33:19 PM #9:	ferko420 posted... The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything.... Aside from fame, celebrity, movies, TV, and money money money --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:893802559] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>ferko420 posted...</cite> <quote>The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything....</quote> Aside from fame, celebrity, movies, TV, and money money money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 01/10/18 9:44:19 PM #10:	A lot of them have hit good points in their career, are well known and make enough money. They also have their own family so yes I'd call them accomplished. Some even appear in movies, do charity events and other promotional things too. While others have their own band, put back into the business, move onto other sports or even get involved in politics. Not all wrestlers are at that point yet though but that's mostly the young, upcoming talent. ferko420 posted... The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything.... --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:893803313] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>A lot of them have hit good points in their career, are well known and make enough money. They also have their own family so yes I'd call them accomplished. Some even appear in movies, do charity events and other promotional things too. While others have their own band, put back into the business, move onto other sports or even get involved in politics. Not all wrestlers are at that point yet though but that's mostly the young, upcoming talent. <cite>ferko420 posted...</cite> <quote>The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything....</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/10/18 10:19:59 PM #11:	Accomplished meaning what? Clearly the top guys are wildly successful by any reasonable definition. Quite a few of the top names have secured movie deals (and not just some shitty WWE picture) or gone on to do great things. Hell, Jesse the "Body" Ventura was governor for a term and Glen Jacobs (Kane) is running for mayor. However, I'd argue that even securing a spot on a major roster makes most of them accomplished. It takes a lot to get into there and they make pretty good money even factoring the expenses. Pro wrestling -- at the actual professional level -- is definitely a skilled profession. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:893805498] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>Accomplished meaning what? Clearly the top guys are wildly successful by any reasonable definition. Quite a few of the top names have secured movie deals (and not just some shitty WWE picture) or gone on to do great things. Hell, Jesse the "Body" Ventura was governor for a term and Glen Jacobs (Kane) is running for mayor. However, I'd argue that even securing a spot on a major roster makes most of them accomplished. It takes a lot to get into there and they make pretty good money even factoring the expenses. Pro wrestling -- at the actual professional level -- is definitely a skilled profession.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 01/10/18 10:21:37 PM #12:	mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit --- "Dogs smell like they've had too much fun and need a bath Cats smell like espionage" - Mead <cite>helIy posted [p:893805602] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 01/10/18 10:24:47 PM #13:	helIy posted... mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit He's a good writer and stand-up entertainer too. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:893805788] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote>mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit</quote> He's a good writer and stand-up entertainer too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/10/18 10:31:03 PM #14:	Kyuubi4269 posted... They have literally accomplished a thing, why wouldn't they be? Pretty much. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:893806157] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>They have literally accomplished a thing, why wouldn't they be?</quote> Pretty much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/11/18 12:54:10 AM #15:	helIy posted... mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit You mean like getting flipped by Joey Ryan's dick? (I'd post a clip but I'm not sure if it's against the TOS. At any rate, it basically killed whatever respect I had for him.) --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:893813410] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote>mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit</quote> You mean like getting flipped by Joey Ryan's dick? (I'd post a clip but I'm not sure if it's against the TOS. At any rate, it basically killed whatever respect I had for him.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 01/11/18 3:54:57 AM #16:	It's a hard job that a lot of people fail to succeed in. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:893818903] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>It's a hard job that a lot of people fail to succeed in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 01/11/18 4:17:03 AM #17:	Zeus posted... helIy posted... mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit You mean like getting flipped by Joey Ryan's dick? (I'd post a clip but I'm not sure if it's against the TOS. At any rate, it basically killed whatever respect I had for him.) everything about that was hilarious --- "Dogs smell like they've had too much fun and need a bath Cats smell like espionage" - Mead <cite>helIy posted [p:893819357] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote>mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit</quote> You mean like getting flipped by Joey Ryan's dick? (I'd post a clip but I'm not sure if it's against the TOS. At any rate, it basically killed whatever respect I had for him.)</quote> everything about that was hilarious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gguirao 01/11/18 12:53:22 PM #18:	Making millions of dollars, working at their dream job, and having millions of fans? Yes. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>gguirao posted [p:893839073] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>Making millions of dollars, working at their dream job, and having millions of fans? Yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/11/18 6:12:20 PM #19:	TheCyborgNinja posted... It's a hard job that a lot of people fail to succeed in. Should also be noted that it's a lot harder to earn a living pro wrestling today since there are fewer promotions and the fanbase is smaller. Wrestlers also tend to work a more intense style, with stupid moves like suicide dives popping up in almost every match. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:893860086] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote>It's a hard job that a lot of people fail to succeed in.</quote> Should also be noted that it's a lot harder to earn a living pro wrestling today since there are fewer promotions and the fanbase is smaller. Wrestlers also tend to work a more intense style, with stupid moves like suicide dives popping up in almost every match.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 01/11/18 6:23:25 PM #20:	Zeus posted... fewer promotions and the fanbase is smaller Not really. From the main ones we have WWE, TNA and NJPW back in the 90's all we had is WWF and WCW so if anything it's growing. As for the fanbase? That's growing with the industry too due to expanding to different markets. Zeus posted... Wrestlers also tend to work a more intense style, with stupid moves like suicide dives popping up in almost every match. I wouldn't call said moves stupid. If you can pull it off then do it. The industry still has the "powerhouse" wrestlers too. No different from back in the day really on that front. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:893860743] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>fewer promotions and the fanbase is smaller</quote> Not really. From the main ones we have WWE, TNA and NJPW back in the 90's all we had is WWF and WCW so if anything it's growing. As for the fanbase? That's growing with the industry too due to expanding to different markets. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Wrestlers also tend to work a more intense style, with stupid moves like suicide dives popping up in almost every match.</quote> I wouldn't call said moves stupid. If you can pull it off then do it. The industry still has the "powerhouse" wrestlers too. No different from back in the day really on that front.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/11/18 6:42:20 PM #21:	wwinterj25 posted... Zeus posted... fewer promotions and the fanbase is smaller Not really. From the main ones we have WWE, TNA and NJPW back in the 90's all we had is WWF and WCW so if anything it's growing. As for the fanbase? That's growing with the industry too due to expanding to different markets. You had indies even in the 80s and 90s. The indy scene is much smaller now and fewer people are making an actual living than ever before. Keep in mind that Japan already had a thriving wrestling scene in the 80s. wwinterj25 posted... Zeus posted... Wrestlers also tend to work a more intense style, with stupid moves like suicide dives popping up in almost every match. I wouldn't call said moves stupid. If you can pull it off then do it. The industry still has the "powerhouse" wrestlers too. No different from back in the day really on that front. Most of the moves are goofy, look contrived (since they stand there), and are unnecessarily dangerous. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:893861843] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>fewer promotions and the fanbase is smaller</quote> Not really. From the main ones we have WWE, TNA and NJPW back in the 90's all we had is WWF and WCW so if anything it's growing. As for the fanbase? That's growing with the industry too due to expanding to different markets. </quote> You had indies even in the 80s and 90s. The indy scene is much smaller now and fewer people are making an actual living than ever before. Keep in mind that Japan already had a thriving wrestling scene in the 80s. <cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Wrestlers also tend to work a more intense style, with stupid moves like suicide dives popping up in almost every match.</quote> I wouldn't call said moves stupid. If you can pull it off then do it. The industry still has the "powerhouse" wrestlers too. No different from back in the day really on that front.</quote> Most of the moves are goofy, look contrived (since they stand there), and are unnecessarily dangerous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 01/11/18 7:00:57 PM #22:	Zeus posted... You had indies even in the 80s and 90s. The indy scene is much smaller now and fewer people are making an actual living than ever before. Keep in mind that Japan already had a thriving wrestling scene in the 80s. The indy scene is going smaller yet more opportunities are available from the main promotions such as WWE with NXT and their own performance centres. Zeus posted... Most of the moves are goofy, look contrived (since they stand there), and are unnecessarily dangerous. A good wrestler can pull off good looking moves without hurting themselves or others in most cases. Still I suppose it's a matter of high risk, high reward. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:893863060] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You had indies even in the 80s and 90s. The indy scene is much smaller now and fewer people are making an actual living than ever before. Keep in mind that Japan already had a thriving wrestling scene in the 80s.</quote> The indy scene is going smaller yet more opportunities are available from the main promotions such as WWE with NXT and their own performance centres. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the moves are goofy, look contrived (since they stand there), and are unnecessarily dangerous.</quote> A good wrestler can pull off good looking moves without hurting themselves or others in most cases. Still I suppose it's a matter of high risk, high reward.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ferko420 01/11/18 7:30:08 PM #23:	its choreographed dancing in speedo's, there is no success, its bottom barrel --- Switch: Ferko: SW-3592-8151-5043 3DS: Ferko: 4167-4487-9551 PSN: HAVOCtheHedgehog <cite>ferko420 posted [p:893864993] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote>its choreographed dancing in speedo's, there is no success, its bottom barrel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/11/18 8:17:05 PM #24:	wwinterj25 posted... Zeus posted... You had indies even in the 80s and 90s. The indy scene is much smaller now and fewer people are making an actual living than ever before. Keep in mind that Japan already had a thriving wrestling scene in the 80s. The indy scene is going smaller yet more opportunities are available from the main promotions such as WWE with NXT and their own performance centres. Compared to the 90s? No. The WWE's holdings today aren't anywhere near as big as a combination of the WWE and WCW, let alone the rest of the market. And most of the indies that are around now feature talent who basically work for gas money to get to the event. More importantly, you play up NXT but literally all it did was replace FCW (which I'm not sure was break-even, but it was a WWE developmental) which, in turn, replaced OVW (which -- while partly functioning as a WWE developmental -- was also profitable as its own entity). The biggest difference between NXT and prior WWE developmental territories is that it has national coverage. wwinterj25 posted... Zeus posted... Most of the moves are goofy, look contrived (since they stand there), and are unnecessarily dangerous. A good wrestler can pull off good looking moves without hurting themselves or others in most cases. Still I suppose it's a matter of high risk, high reward. More a matter of high risk, little reward. Keep in mind that most of the indie guys break their bodies long before they even have the opportunity of being signed to a major company. Plus, when you use these moves every fucking match, what value they might have had is killed. A suicide dive might be great if used sparingly as a major high spot, but there are many wrestlers now who seem to use it once or even several times per match-- so you're seeing it time and time again throughout the night. And most of the time the other wrestler is staring right at the guy getting ready to use the move. It strains all credulity that a guy wouldn't have the sense to get out of the way and let his opponent crash & burn. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:893868208] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You had indies even in the 80s and 90s. The indy scene is much smaller now and fewer people are making an actual living than ever before. Keep in mind that Japan already had a thriving wrestling scene in the 80s.</quote> The indy scene is going smaller yet more opportunities are available from the main promotions such as WWE with NXT and their own performance centres.</quote> Compared to the 90s? No. The WWE's holdings today aren't anywhere near as big as a combination of the WWE and WCW, let alone the rest of the market. And most of the indies that are around now feature talent who basically work for gas money to get to the event. More importantly, you play up NXT but literally all it did was replace FCW (which I'm not sure was break-even, but it was a WWE developmental) which, in turn, replaced OVW (which -- while partly functioning as a WWE developmental -- was also profitable as its own entity). The biggest difference between NXT and prior WWE developmental territories is that it has national coverage. <cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the moves are goofy, look contrived (since they stand there), and are unnecessarily dangerous.</quote> A good wrestler can pull off good looking moves without hurting themselves or others in most cases. Still I suppose it's a matter of high risk, high reward.</quote> More a matter of high risk, little reward. Keep in mind that most of the indie guys break their bodies long before they even have the opportunity of being signed to a major company. Plus, when you use these moves every fucking match, what value they might have had is killed. A suicide dive might be great if used sparingly as a major high spot, but there are many wrestlers now who seem to use it once or even several times per match-- so you're seeing it time and time again throughout the night. And most of the time the other wrestler is staring right at the guy getting ready to use the move. It strains all credulity that a guy wouldn't have the sense to get out of the way and let his opponent crash & burn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/11/18 8:18:43 PM #25:	wwinterj25 posted... helIy posted... mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit He's a good writer and stand-up entertainer too. I wonder how much better he'd be at it without significant brain damage... <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:893868319] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote>mick foley is probably one of the ones i'd consider accomplished that dude went through some shit</quote> He's a good writer and stand-up entertainer too.</quote> I wonder how much better he'd be at it without significant brain damage...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 01/11/18 8:33:26 PM #26:	Questionmarktarius posted... I wonder how much better he'd be at it without significant brain damage... --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:893869335] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how much better he'd be at it without significant brain damage...</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SusanGreenEyes 01/11/18 9:12:15 PM #27:	ferko420 posted... The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything.... He used to be a pebble. You don't know. --- Been a murder, over in Riften. Some old lady who runs an orphanage. Those poor children must be heartbroken. <cite>SusanGreenEyes posted [p:893871865] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>ferko420 posted...</cite> <quote>The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything....</quote> He used to be a pebble. You don't know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/11/18 10:33:52 PM #28:	ferko420 posted... The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything.... You mean other than becoming one of the world's highest-paid actors? https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2017/08/22/the-worlds-highest-paid-actors-2017-mark-wahlberg-leads-with-68-million/#615cd6833f92 Yeah, that's nothing, though, right? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:893876749] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>ferko420 posted...</cite> <quote>The rock has been trying for years and still hasn't accomplished anything....</quote> You mean other than becoming one of the world's highest-paid actors? https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2017/08/22/the-worlds-highest-paid-actors-2017-mark-wahlberg-leads-with-68-million/#615cd6833f92 Yeah, that's nothing, though, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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