Current Events > California says suck it to GOP. Changing Tax laws so we can deduct our taxes

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sktgamer_13dude 01/05/18 5:35:05 PM #53:	__Y2JosHBK___ posted... No wonder they literally survive off the rest of the countries tax dollars. Surfing and eating kale is fun and all but it's not grounded in reality. Polycosm posted... California is more than paying its own bill. Again, California is a donor state. It pays more to the Federal government than it receives. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:893491530] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote>No wonder they literally survive off the rest of the countries tax dollars. Surfing and eating kale is fun and all but it's not grounded in reality.</quote> <cite>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>California is more than paying its own bill. Again, California is a donor state. It pays more to the Federal government than it receives.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/05/18 5:49:40 PM #54:	Zeeak4444 posted... s0nicfan posted... The Republican tax plan gives corporations and hedge-fund managers a trillion-dollar tax cut and expects California taxpayers to foot the bill, De Len, also a candidate for U.S. Senate, said in a statement Thursday. We wont allow California residents to be the casualty of this disastrous tax scheme. The $10,000 cap is especially unpopular in high-cost, high-tax states such as California, New York and New Jersey. In California, the millions of taxpayers who itemize averaged a state and local tax deduction of $22,000 in 2015, according to the Department of Finance. There's something inherently ironic about one of the bluest states in the country countering a federal tax mandate by turning local taxes into voluntary donations because people writing off tens of thousands of dollars are somehow poor in CA? Isn't this basically what someone like Ron Paul would have wanted? I think you're completely in the wrong here and I think you know it TBH. The bolded really gives it away. I mean... that was literally my first post in this topic, so I'm not sure what I'm wrong relative to, but I was simply pointing out that when you're writing off 22K a year, you can't exactly play the "look at those rich people" card. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:893492420] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><quote>The Republican tax plan gives corporations and hedge-fund managers a trillion-dollar tax cut and expects California taxpayers to foot the bill, De Len, also a candidate for U.S. Senate, said in a statement Thursday. We wont allow California residents to be the casualty of this disastrous tax scheme. The $10,000 cap is especially unpopular in high-cost, high-tax states such as California, New York and New Jersey. In California, the millions of taxpayers who itemize averaged a state and local tax deduction of $22,000 in 2015, according to the Department of Finance.</quote> There's something inherently ironic about one of the bluest states in the country countering a federal tax mandate by turning local taxes into voluntary donations because people writing off tens of thousands of dollars are somehow poor in CA? Isn't this basically what someone like Ron Paul would have wanted?</quote> I think you're completely in the wrong here and I think you know it TBH. The bolded really gives it away.</quote> I mean... that was literally my first post in this topic, so I'm not sure what I'm wrong relative to, but I was simply pointing out that when you're writing off 22K a year, you can't exactly play the "look at those rich people" card.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 5:53:20 PM #55:	s0nicfan posted... Zeeak4444 posted... s0nicfan posted... The Republican tax plan gives corporations and hedge-fund managers a trillion-dollar tax cut and expects California taxpayers to foot the bill, De Len, also a candidate for U.S. Senate, said in a statement Thursday. We wont allow California residents to be the casualty of this disastrous tax scheme. The $10,000 cap is especially unpopular in high-cost, high-tax states such as California, New York and New Jersey. In California, the millions of taxpayers who itemize averaged a state and local tax deduction of $22,000 in 2015, according to the Department of Finance. There's something inherently ironic about one of the bluest states in the country countering a federal tax mandate by turning local taxes into voluntary donations because people writing off tens of thousands of dollars are somehow poor in CA? Isn't this basically what someone like Ron Paul would have wanted? I think you're completely in the wrong here and I think you know it TBH. The bolded really gives it away. I mean... that was literally my first post in this topic, so I'm not sure what I'm wrong relative to, but I was simply pointing out that when you're writing off 22K a year, you can't exactly play the "look at those rich people" card. I mean, if you literally know nothing about California. Dark clarified my point so I would address that if you're still confused. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893492654] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><quote>The Republican tax plan gives corporations and hedge-fund managers a trillion-dollar tax cut and expects California taxpayers to foot the bill, De Len, also a candidate for U.S. Senate, said in a statement Thursday. We wont allow California residents to be the casualty of this disastrous tax scheme. The $10,000 cap is especially unpopular in high-cost, high-tax states such as California, New York and New Jersey. In California, the millions of taxpayers who itemize averaged a state and local tax deduction of $22,000 in 2015, according to the Department of Finance.</quote> There's something inherently ironic about one of the bluest states in the country countering a federal tax mandate by turning local taxes into voluntary donations because people writing off tens of thousands of dollars are somehow poor in CA? Isn't this basically what someone like Ron Paul would have wanted?</quote> I think you're completely in the wrong here and I think you know it TBH. The bolded really gives it away.</quote> I mean... that was literally my first post in this topic, so I'm not sure what I'm wrong relative to, but I was simply pointing out that when you're writing off 22K a year, you can't exactly play the "look at those rich people" card.</quote> I mean, if you literally know nothing about California. Dark clarified my point so I would address that if you're still confused.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 01/05/18 5:56:44 PM #56:	__Y2JosHBK___ posted... No wonder they literally survive off the rest of the countries tax dollars. Surfing and eating kale is fun and all but it's not grounded in reality. LOL. OK. Keep thinking that's all California is about. --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:893492831] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote>No wonder they literally survive off the rest of the countries tax dollars. Surfing and eating kale is fun and all but it's not grounded in reality.</quote> LOL. OK. Keep thinking that's all California is about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/05/18 6:03:21 PM #57:	Zeeak4444 posted... I mean, if you literally know nothing about California. Dark clarified my point so I would address that if you're still confused. But what's the game here? To counter a cap on state/local tax deductions the state has set up a scheme where CA residents can effectively donate all their state taxes and write them off federal taxes? Isn't that just CA subsidizing their own massive taxes by "stealing" (I use quotes here because I know it's not theft, but I can't think of a better word right now) from the federal tax pool? How does that combat "the rich" getting tax breaks? Better yet, wouldn't CA benefit significantly from collecting more state taxes, allowing them the ability to just... lower state taxes? This just feels like an inefficient, roundabout middle finger to trump that, as Dark pointed out, may not even survive the courts. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:893493235] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, if you literally know nothing about California. Dark clarified my point so I would address that if you're still confused.</quote> But what's the game here? To counter a cap on state/local tax deductions the state has set up a scheme where CA residents can effectively donate all their state taxes and write them off federal taxes? Isn't that just CA subsidizing their own massive taxes by "stealing" (I use quotes here because I know it's not theft, but I can't think of a better word right now) from the federal tax pool? How does that combat "the rich" getting tax breaks? Better yet, wouldn't CA benefit significantly from collecting more state taxes, allowing them the ability to just... lower state taxes? This just feels like an inefficient, roundabout middle finger to trump that, as Dark pointed out, may not even survive the courts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 6:06:28 PM #58:	s0nicfan posted... Zeeak4444 posted... I mean, if you literally know nothing about California. Dark clarified my point so I would address that if you're still confused. But what's the game here? To counter a cap on state/local tax deductions the state has set up a scheme where CA residents can effectively donate all their state taxes and write them off from federal taxes? Isn't that just CA subsidizing their own massive taxes by "stealing" (I use quotes here because I know it's not theft, but I can't think of a better word right now) from the federal tax pool? How does that combat "the rich" getting tax breaks? Better yet, wouldn't CA benefit significantly from collecting more state taxes due to fewer deductions and using that expected windfall of cash to just... lower state taxes? Won't that benefit the rich just as much in-state because they can do the same thing? This just feels like an inefficient, roundabout middle finger to trump that, as Dark pointed out, may not even survive the courts. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's the best solution nor that it will happen either. It's interesting though. I was just trying to address the whole "they're not poor" statement because while they're not poor the whole statement itself was quite disingenuous. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893493402] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, if you literally know nothing about California. Dark clarified my point so I would address that if you're still confused.</quote> But what's the game here? To counter a cap on state/local tax deductions the state has set up a scheme where CA residents can effectively donate all their state taxes and write them off from federal taxes? Isn't that just CA subsidizing their own massive taxes by "stealing" (I use quotes here because I know it's not theft, but I can't think of a better word right now) from the federal tax pool? How does that combat "the rich" getting tax breaks? Better yet, wouldn't CA benefit significantly from collecting more state taxes due to fewer deductions and using that expected windfall of cash to just... lower state taxes? Won't that benefit the rich just as much in-state because they can do the same thing? This just feels like an inefficient, roundabout middle finger to trump that, as Dark pointed out, may not even survive the courts.</quote> Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's the best solution nor that it will happen either. It's interesting though. I was just trying to address the whole "they're not poor" statement because while they're not poor the whole statement itself was quite disingenuous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/05/18 6:08:15 PM #59:	Zeeak4444 posted... I was just trying to address the whole "they're not poor" statement because while they're not poor the whole statement itself was quite disingenuous. Honestly the more important part of my post was that the scheme is a very right/Libertarian way to handle taxes and not something you'd expect from CA. The "not poor" comment was probably excessive. It reads like a "all taxation is theft" manifesto, especially since they're basically turning state taxes into voluntary donations (not entirely, but you get the idea). The irony is that to spite the right, they've taken a page from a libertarian playbook. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:893493512] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>I was just trying to address the whole "they're not poor" statement because while they're not poor the whole statement itself was quite disingenuous.</quote> Honestly the more important part of my post was that the scheme is a very right/Libertarian way to handle taxes and not something you'd expect from CA. The "not poor" comment was probably excessive. It reads like a "all taxation is theft" manifesto, especially since they're basically turning state taxes into voluntary donations (not entirely, but you get the idea). The irony is that to spite the right, they've taken a page from a libertarian playbook.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 01/05/18 6:08:16 PM #60:	The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:893493514] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote>The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 01/05/18 6:10:20 PM #61:	I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:893493618] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote>I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__Y2JosHBK___ 01/05/18 6:10:34 PM #62:	sktgamer_13dude posted... The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens. Lol, cultist --- Liberalism is like getting to eat steak nonstop forever, it sounds great on paper and then you get a heart attack. Conservatism is the salad we all NEED!! <cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted [p:893493640] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens.</quote> Lol, cultist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fuparulez 01/05/18 6:11:14 PM #63:	California wants to skirt a tax deduction? I thought they LIKED high taxes over there? --- It's the fat upper kitty area, and if you got one I wanna marry ya! <cite>Fuparulez posted [p:893493671] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote>California wants to skirt a tax deduction? I thought they LIKED high taxes over there?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 01/05/18 6:11:18 PM #64:	darkphoenix181 posted... I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh They already pay their fair share. The GOP wants them to pay MORE (due to lack of deductions) while rich people can pay less. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:893493673] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh</quote> They already pay their fair share. The GOP wants them to pay MORE (due to lack of deductions) while rich people can pay less.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 01/05/18 6:11:36 PM #65:	__Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens. Lol, cultist Pot meet kettle --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:893493697] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens.</quote> Lol, cultist</quote> Pot meet kettle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__Y2JosHBK___ 01/05/18 6:12:16 PM #66:	sktgamer_13dude posted... __Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens. Lol, cultist Pot meet kettle California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care --- Liberalism is like getting to eat steak nonstop forever, it sounds great on paper and then you get a heart attack. Conservatism is the salad we all NEED!! <cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted [p:893493732] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens.</quote> Lol, cultist</quote> Pot meet kettle</quote> California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 6:12:26 PM #67:	s0nicfan posted... Zeeak4444 posted... I was just trying to address the whole "they're not poor" statement because while they're not poor the whole statement itself was quite disingenuous. Honestly the more important part of my post was that the scheme is a very right/Libertarian way to handle taxes and not something you'd expect from CA. The "not poor" comment was probably excessive. It reads like a "all taxation is theft" manifesto, especially since they're basically turning state taxes into voluntary donations (not entirely, but you get the idea) It's absolutely right/libertarian. I'm sure we'd all agree on that. I just took it as a "can't beat them join them" move that actually opens those loopholes up to the average citizen. Without serious reform I can't say I oppose that. I will say I don't fully support it either. Only time will tell for me personally but I agree it's a step in the "voluntary" direction. There's a lot going on here though. I've only read the OP piece but I'll have to dig into it more now. Like I said, it's quite an interesting move regardless. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893493743] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>I was just trying to address the whole "they're not poor" statement because while they're not poor the whole statement itself was quite disingenuous.</quote> Honestly the more important part of my post was that the scheme is a very right/Libertarian way to handle taxes and not something you'd expect from CA. The "not poor" comment was probably excessive. It reads like a "all taxation is theft" manifesto, especially since they're basically turning state taxes into voluntary donations (not entirely, but you get the idea)</quote> It's absolutely right/libertarian. I'm sure we'd all agree on that. I just took it as a "can't beat them join them" move that actually opens those loopholes up to the average citizen. Without serious reform I can't say I oppose that. I will say I don't fully support it either. Only time will tell for me personally but I agree it's a step in the "voluntary" direction. There's a lot going on here though. I've only read the OP piece but I'll have to dig into it more now. Like I said, it's quite an interesting move regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 6:14:25 PM #68:	darkphoenix181 posted... I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893493859] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh</quote> You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 01/05/18 6:15:53 PM #69:	So this "work around" is giving money to a likely corrupt and mismanaged state-run entity called the "California Excellence Fund" rather than giving it to the corrupt and mismanaged federal government. Yeah, this makes sense. And this is, of course, ignoring that this would be immediately disallowed by the IRS the second it was enacted. With all that said, it is good to see CA liberals pissed off at having to pay federal taxes now that the rest of the country is no longer subsidizing their state. Now you know how the rest of the country feels. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:893493943] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote>So this "work around" is giving money to a likely corrupt and mismanaged state-run entity called the "California Excellence Fund" rather than giving it to the corrupt and mismanaged federal government. Yeah, this makes sense. And this is, of course, ignoring that this would be immediately disallowed by the IRS the second it was enacted. With all that said, it is good to see CA liberals pissed off at having to pay federal taxes now that the rest of the country is no longer subsidizing their state. Now you know how the rest of the country feels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 01/05/18 6:16:44 PM #70:	Zeeak4444 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH. In other words you couldn't explain it if you tried. Got it. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:893493992] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh</quote> You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH.</quote> In other words you couldn't explain it if you tried. Got it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 01/05/18 6:18:15 PM #71:	__Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... __Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens. Lol, cultist Pot meet kettle California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care And that counters any of this how...? Oh wait, theres no point besides TAKE THAT LIBERALS cause youre a joke account. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:893494079] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens.</quote> Lol, cultist</quote> Pot meet kettle</quote> California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care</quote> And that counters any of this how...? Oh wait, theres no point besides TAKE THAT LIBERALS cause youre a joke account.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 01/05/18 6:18:50 PM #72:	darkphoenix181 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH. In other words you couldn't explain it if you tried. Got it. Or that its been talked about by multiple people already in the thread. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:893494107] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh</quote> You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH.</quote> In other words you couldn't explain it if you tried. Got it.</quote> Or that its been talked about by multiple people already in the thread.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__Y2JosHBK___ 01/05/18 6:20:10 PM #73:	sktgamer_13dude posted... __Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... __Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens. Lol, cultist Pot meet kettle California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care And that counters any of this how...? Oh wait, theres no point besides TAKE THAT LIBERALS cause youre a joke account. You can't claim California's politicians care when they clearly don't. Guess what happens in California? The rich get rich and the poor get poor. Sound familiar? Democrats are basically Republicans who suck at the economy --- Liberalism is like getting to eat steak nonstop forever, it sounds great on paper and then you get a heart attack. Conservatism is the salad we all NEED!! <cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted [p:893494173] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens.</quote> Lol, cultist</quote> Pot meet kettle</quote> California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care</quote> And that counters any of this how...? Oh wait, theres no point besides TAKE THAT LIBERALS cause youre a joke account.</quote> You can't claim California's politicians care when they clearly don't. Guess what happens in California? The rich get rich and the poor get poor. Sound familiar? Democrats are basically Republicans who suck at the economy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 01/05/18 6:21:58 PM #74:	__Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... __Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... __Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens. Lol, cultist Pot meet kettle California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care And that counters any of this how...? Oh wait, theres no point besides TAKE THAT LIBERALS cause youre a joke account. You can't claim California's politicians care when they clearly don't. Guess what happens in California? The rich get rich and the poor get poor. Sound familiar? Democrats are basically Republicans who suck at the economy As opposed to the roaring economies of Alabama, Mississippi, and Lousiana? Btw 6th largest economy in California for the world. Theyre doing something right sweetie :). Many things need to be worked on, including homelessness, but to act as if republicans have all the answers while the south is the way it is.....El. Oh. El. <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:893494286] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens.</quote> Lol, cultist</quote> Pot meet kettle</quote> California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care</quote> And that counters any of this how...? Oh wait, theres no point besides TAKE THAT LIBERALS cause youre a joke account.</quote> You can't claim California's politicians care when they clearly don't. Guess what happens in California? The rich get rich and the poor get poor. Sound familiar? Democrats are basically Republicans who suck at the economy</quote> As opposed to the roaring economies of Alabama, Mississippi, and Lousiana? Btw 6th largest economy in California for the world. Theyre doing something right sweetie :). Many things need to be worked on, including homelessness, but to act as if republicans have all the answers while the south is the way it is.....El. Oh. El.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 6:22:50 PM #75:	sktgamer_13dude posted... darkphoenix181 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH. In other words you couldn't explain it if you tried. Got it. Or that its been talked about by multiple people already in the thread. Pretty much. "Hey, I'm too lazy to read through things myself, can you spend time writing it all up again for me?" --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893494336] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh</quote> You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH.</quote> In other words you couldn't explain it if you tried. Got it.</quote> Or that its been talked about by multiple people already in the thread.</quote> Pretty much. "Hey, I'm too lazy to read through things myself, can you spend time writing it all up again for me?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/05/18 6:25:28 PM #76:	Zeeak4444 posted... s0nicfan posted... Zeeak4444 posted... I was just trying to address the whole "they're not poor" statement because while they're not poor the whole statement itself was quite disingenuous. Honestly the more important part of my post was that the scheme is a very right/Libertarian way to handle taxes and not something you'd expect from CA. The "not poor" comment was probably excessive. It reads like a "all taxation is theft" manifesto, especially since they're basically turning state taxes into voluntary donations (not entirely, but you get the idea) It's absolutely right/libertarian. I'm sure we'd all agree on that. I just took it as a "can't beat them join them" move that actually opens those loopholes up to the average citizen. Without serious reform I can't say I oppose that. I will say I don't fully support it either. Only time will tell for me personally but I agree it's a step in the "voluntary" direction. There's a lot going on here though. I've only read the OP piece but I'll have to dig into it more now. Like I said, it's quite an interesting move regardless. The deduction cap is only a problem because it forces citizens in the state to pay something closer to the actual tax rate. If that's impossibly and unfairly high... CA should just lower their state taxes. On paper, the end result should be CA collecting as much money as they used to due to fewer deductions but on a lower tax rate. Instead, they're creating a new agency, and a new tax system, so that people can donate their taxes, so that they can write it off on federal taxes, so that... they can pay the same rate they used to when they were able to deduct massive chunks of their state tax because it was too high. It's just... cartoonishly stupid. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:893494475] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>I was just trying to address the whole "they're not poor" statement because while they're not poor the whole statement itself was quite disingenuous.</quote> Honestly the more important part of my post was that the scheme is a very right/Libertarian way to handle taxes and not something you'd expect from CA. The "not poor" comment was probably excessive. It reads like a "all taxation is theft" manifesto, especially since they're basically turning state taxes into voluntary donations (not entirely, but you get the idea)</quote> It's absolutely right/libertarian. I'm sure we'd all agree on that. I just took it as a "can't beat them join them" move that actually opens those loopholes up to the average citizen. Without serious reform I can't say I oppose that. I will say I don't fully support it either. Only time will tell for me personally but I agree it's a step in the "voluntary" direction. There's a lot going on here though. I've only read the OP piece but I'll have to dig into it more now. Like I said, it's quite an interesting move regardless.</quote> The deduction cap is only a problem because it forces citizens in the state to pay something closer to the actual tax rate. If that's impossibly and unfairly high... CA should just lower their state taxes. On paper, the end result should be CA collecting as much money as they used to due to fewer deductions but on a lower tax rate. Instead, they're creating a new agency, and a new tax system, so that people can donate their taxes, so that they can write it off on federal taxes, so that... they can pay the same rate they used to when they were able to deduct massive chunks of their state tax because it was too high. It's just... cartoonishly stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 01/05/18 6:26:10 PM #77:	The Admiral posted... With all that said, it is good to see CA liberals pissed off at having to pay federal taxes now that the rest of the country is no longer subsidizing their state. Now you know how the rest of the country feels. This is blatantly false, as has been pointed out several times in this topic alone. One more time: California pays more to the Federal government than it receives. --- BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:893494514] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>With all that said, it is good to see CA liberals pissed off at having to pay federal taxes now that the rest of the country is no longer subsidizing their state. Now you know how the rest of the country feels.</quote> This is blatantly false, as has been pointed out several times in this topic alone. One more time: California pays more to the Federal government than it receives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 01/05/18 6:27:52 PM #78:	s0nicfan posted... It's just.... the deduction cap is only a problem because it forces citizens in the state to pay something closer to the actual tax rate. If that's impossibly and unfairly high... CA should just lower their state taxes. On paper, the end result should be CA collecting as much money as they used to due to fewer deductions but on a lower tax rate. Instead, they're creating a new agency, and a new tax system, so that people can donate their taxes, so that they can write it off on federal taxes, so that... they can pay the same rate they used to when they were able to deduct massive chunks of their state tax because it was too high. It's just... cartoonishly stupid. Indeed. Californians got used to the federal government subsidizing their state for its massively high taxes and are now awfully conservative when asked to pay their fair share. Of course, this is all academic, because this does not meet the IRS guidelines for a charity and will be disallowed immediately. If CA residents don't like get slammed with taxes next year, they can tell ask their state officials to lower them like every other state does. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:893494619] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>It's just.... the deduction cap is only a problem because it forces citizens in the state to pay something closer to the actual tax rate. If that's impossibly and unfairly high... CA should just lower their state taxes. On paper, the end result should be CA collecting as much money as they used to due to fewer deductions but on a lower tax rate. Instead, they're creating a new agency, and a new tax system, so that people can donate their taxes, so that they can write it off on federal taxes, so that... they can pay the same rate they used to when they were able to deduct massive chunks of their state tax because it was too high. It's just... cartoonishly stupid.</quote> Indeed. Californians got used to the federal government subsidizing their state for its massively high taxes and are now awfully conservative when asked to pay their fair share. Of course, this is all academic, because this does not meet the IRS guidelines for a charity and will be disallowed immediately. If CA residents don't like get slammed with taxes next year, they can tell ask their state officials to lower them like every other state does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 01/05/18 6:27:54 PM #79:	Zeeak4444 posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... darkphoenix181 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH. In other words you couldn't explain it if you tried. Got it. Or that its been talked about by multiple people already in the thread. Pretty much. "Hey, I'm too lazy to read through things myself, can you spend time writing it all up again for me?" Except I read the thread and it doesn't counter what I stated and actually supports it. The only one being lazy are you two. Well, I give you some credit skt for attempting to explain this. Darkman124 posted... for the very first time, it would functionally allow regular people to exploit loopholes in charity-related tax law that normally are only available to the super rich. Regular people would be able to do what now? Oh yeah: So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:893494620] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get it. So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share? So they want the smaller poorer states to pay for the welfare programs across the US but not themselves. huh</quote> You're right there at least. I'd read through the topic TBH.</quote> In other words you couldn't explain it if you tried. Got it.</quote> Or that its been talked about by multiple people already in the thread.</quote> Pretty much. "Hey, I'm too lazy to read through things myself, can you spend time writing it all up again for me?"</quote> Except I read the thread and it doesn't counter what I stated and actually supports it. The only one being lazy are you two. Well, I give you some credit skt for attempting to explain this. <cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote> for the very first time, it would functionally allow regular people to exploit loopholes in charity-related tax law that normally are only available to the super rich.</quote> Regular people would be able to do what now? Oh yeah: <quote>So liberal Californians who protest in occupy wallstreet and are upset about the 1% not paying their fair share wants to not pay their fair share?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__Y2JosHBK___ 01/05/18 6:29:01 PM #80:	CruelBuffalo posted... __Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... __Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... __Y2JosHBK___ posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens. Lol, cultist Pot meet kettle California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care And that counters any of this how...? Oh wait, theres no point besides TAKE THAT LIBERALS cause youre a joke account. You can't claim California's politicians care when they clearly don't. Guess what happens in California? The rich get rich and the poor get poor. Sound familiar? Democrats are basically Republicans who suck at the economy As opposed to the roaring economies of Alabama, Mississippi, and Lousiana? Btw 6th largest economy in California for the world. Theyre doing something right sweetie :). Many things need to be worked on, including homelessness, but to act as if republicans have all the answers while the south is the way it is.....El. Oh. El. Awesome, California is also one of the most unhappiest states: https://www.cnbc.com/2009/12/23/The-Unhappiest-States-in-America.html?view=slideshow&%24DEVICE%24=native-android-tablet I guess money can't buy happiness! --- Liberalism is like getting to eat steak nonstop forever, it sounds great on paper and then you get a heart attack. Conservatism is the salad we all NEED!! <cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted [p:893494682] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>The game is that Californian politicians are actually trying to help ALL Californian citizens while Trump and the GOP is trying to help rich citizens.</quote> Lol, cultist</quote> Pot meet kettle</quote> California literally has one of the highest homeless rates in the country. California doesn't care</quote> And that counters any of this how...? Oh wait, theres no point besides TAKE THAT LIBERALS cause youre a joke account.</quote> You can't claim California's politicians care when they clearly don't. Guess what happens in California? The rich get rich and the poor get poor. Sound familiar? Democrats are basically Republicans who suck at the economy</quote> As opposed to the roaring economies of Alabama, Mississippi, and Lousiana? Btw 6th largest economy in California for the world. Theyre doing something right sweetie :). Many things need to be worked on, including homelessness, but to act as if republicans have all the answers while the south is the way it is.....El. Oh. El.</quote> Awesome, California is also one of the most unhappiest states: https://www.cnbc.com/2009/12/23/The-Unhappiest-States-in-America.html?view=slideshow&%24DEVICE%24=native-android-tablet I guess money can't buy happiness!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--kresnik-- 01/05/18 6:29:32 PM #81:	Trying to cut off their nose to spite their face? --- USA #1 Ajit Pai #1 <cite>--kresnik-- posted [p:893494708] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote>Trying to cut off their nose to spite their face?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsYourFault 01/05/18 6:32:53 PM #82:	SageHarpuia posted... Can we just let them succeed already? I hope we do so we dont have to deal with you deplorables <cite>ItsYourFault posted [p:893494916] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Can we just let them succeed already?</quote> I hope we do so we dont have to deal with you deplorables</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/05/18 6:34:54 PM #83:	ItsYourFault posted... SageHarpuia posted... Can we just let them succeed already? I hope we do so we dont have to deal with you deplorables I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's bothering me that we're almost at 100 posts and NOBODY has pointed out that it's secede not succeed. Is that not bothering anyone else? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:893495022] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>ItsYourFault posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Can we just let them succeed already?</quote> I hope we do so we dont have to deal with you deplorables</quote> I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's bothering me that we're almost at 100 posts and NOBODY has pointed out that it's secede not succeed. Is that not bothering anyone else?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 6:35:17 PM #84:	What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893495041] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote>What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 01/05/18 6:36:05 PM #85:	s0nicfan posted... ItsYourFault posted... SageHarpuia posted... Can we just let them succeed already? I hope we do so we dont have to deal with you deplorables I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's bothering me that we're almost at 100 posts and NOBODY has pointed out that it's secede not succeed. Is that not bothering anyone else? Post 6 TheVipaGTS posted... SageHarpuia posted... Can we just let them succeed already? can't tell if you used the wrong word or actually want us to do good... --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:893495084] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ItsYourFault posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Can we just let them succeed already?</quote> I hope we do so we dont have to deal with you deplorables</quote> I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's bothering me that we're almost at 100 posts and NOBODY has pointed out that it's secede not succeed. Is that not bothering anyone else?</quote> Post 6 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Can we just let them succeed already?</quote> can't tell if you used the wrong word or actually want us to do good...</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/05/18 6:37:27 PM #86:	Zeeak4444 posted... What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots. Their argument is simple, I think. As I understand it: --people accuse the rich of abusing tax loopholes to not pay their fair share --therefore, the actual tax rate must be "fair share" because without the loopholes that's what they pay --CA now has reduced deductions, forcing average people to pay closer to their actual tax rate (AKA their "fair share" by the point above) --Now forced into the situation they want the rich to be in (fewer deductions/loopholes), suddenly people are okay with charitable deduction loopholes being added because it benefits them You can see there's a bit of a leap from point 1 to 2, but if you accept that logical conclusion that their perspective makes sense. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:893495153] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots.</quote> Their argument is simple, I think. As I understand it: --people accuse the rich of abusing tax loopholes to not pay their fair share --therefore, the actual tax rate must be "fair share" because without the loopholes that's what they pay --CA now has reduced deductions, forcing average people to pay closer to their actual tax rate (AKA their "fair share" by the point above) --Now forced into the situation they want the rich to be in (fewer deductions/loopholes), suddenly people are okay with charitable deduction loopholes being added because it benefits them You can see there's a bit of a leap from point 1 to 2, but if you accept that logical conclusion that their perspective makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/05/18 6:38:53 PM #87:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Post 6 Ah thanks. I did a search for "secede" and didn't get any hits, lol --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:893495207] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Post 6</quote> Ah thanks. I did a search for "secede" and didn't get any hits, lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__Y2JosHBK___ 01/05/18 6:43:25 PM #88:	Zeeak4444 posted... What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots. I mean they don't and they don't exactly try to hide it --- Liberalism is like getting to eat steak nonstop forever, it sounds great on paper and then you get a heart attack. Conservatism is the salad we all NEED!! <cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted [p:893495399] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots.</quote> I mean they don't and they don't exactly try to hide it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 6:43:32 PM #89:	s0nicfan posted... Zeeak4444 posted... What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots. Their argument is simple, I think. As I understand it: --people accuse the rich of abusing tax loopholes to not pay their fair share --therefore, the actual tax rate must be "fair share" because without the loopholes that's what they pay --CA now has reduced deductions, forcing average people to pay closer to their actual tax rate (AKA their "fair share" by the point above) --Now forced into the situation they want the rich to be in (fewer deductions/loopholes), suddenly people are okay with charitable deduction loopholes being added because it benefits them You can see there's a bit of a leap from point 1 to 2, but if you accept that logical conclusion that their perspective makes sense. Yes, but it also sounds a lot like "the rich shouldn't pay more because Capatlism. California should pay more though because Socalism". Sure it makes sense. It's also highly hypocritical and does nothing to sway my opinion TBH. I was hoping I was just missing something but I really don't think I am. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893495403] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots.</quote> Their argument is simple, I think. As I understand it: --people accuse the rich of abusing tax loopholes to not pay their fair share --therefore, the actual tax rate must be "fair share" because without the loopholes that's what they pay --CA now has reduced deductions, forcing average people to pay closer to their actual tax rate (AKA their "fair share" by the point above) --Now forced into the situation they want the rich to be in (fewer deductions/loopholes), suddenly people are okay with charitable deduction loopholes being added because it benefits them You can see there's a bit of a leap from point 1 to 2, but if you accept that logical conclusion that their perspective makes sense.</quote> Yes, but it also sounds a lot like "the rich shouldn't pay more because Capatlism. California should pay more though because Socalism". Sure it makes sense. It's also highly hypocritical and does nothing to sway my opinion TBH. I was hoping I was just missing something but I really don't think I am.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/05/18 6:47:26 PM #90:	Zeeak4444 posted... Yes, but it also sounds a lot like "the rich shouldn't pay more because Capatlism. California should pay more though because Socalism". I don't see how that's the case, though. The rich in CA probably deduct far more than $10K, so on paper they should be losing out far more than the middle class in the state with the new cap. They may be getting more in federal deductions, but that has nothing to do with CA's tax code. Under this new system, the rich can donate all THEIR state tax too, and in turn they'll get even more back. In practice, the gap in money returned between the rich and the poor in CA will only widen, not shrink. Also yea, if you as a state (not that CA is, just run with the hypothetical for a second) is actively advocating socialism they you kind of should pay more, because that's how you fund your social programs. If CA as a state can't afford its own social programs through its own taxation, then that's more a problem with socialism than federal taxes. That's a much more complicated discussion, however. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:893495594] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, but it also sounds a lot like "the rich shouldn't pay more because Capatlism. California should pay more though because Socalism".</quote> I don't see how that's the case, though. The rich in CA probably deduct far more than $10K, so on paper they should be losing out far more than the middle class in the state with the new cap. They may be getting more in federal deductions, but that has nothing to do with CA's tax code. Under this new system, the rich can donate all THEIR state tax too, and in turn they'll get even more back. In practice, the gap in money returned between the rich and the poor in CA will only widen, not shrink. Also yea, if you as a state (not that CA is, just run with the hypothetical for a second) is actively advocating socialism they you kind of should pay more, because that's how you fund your social programs. If CA as a state can't afford its own social programs through its own taxation, then that's more a problem with socialism than federal taxes. That's a much more complicated discussion, however.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 01/05/18 6:48:51 PM #91:	I'd like to see the feds try to cut off federal aid and then California simply refuse to pay federal taxes. Then I can watch and laugh all the states that California effectively subsidizes panic as they realize that they need California far more than Cali needs them. Is water an issue for California? Sure. But if they weren't paying federal taxes to subsidize shithole southern states and flyover country they could actually put that money into desalinization plants and fix their water problem. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:893495655] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote>I'd like to see the feds try to cut off federal aid and then California simply refuse to pay federal taxes. Then I can watch and laugh all the states that California effectively subsidizes panic as they realize that they need California far more than Cali needs them. Is water an issue for California? Sure. But if they weren't paying federal taxes to subsidize shithole southern states and flyover country they could actually put that money into desalinization plants and fix their water problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 01/05/18 6:52:25 PM #92:	Zeeak4444 posted... What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-trump-tax-california-20170927-story.html Many Californians face a big financial hit under the Republican tax plan, which would eliminate a major tax break that benefits state residents more than those anywhere else in the U.S. The federal deduction for state and local taxes allowed Californians to reduce their taxable income by $101 billion in 2014, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The break has been in the tax code since the U.S. began collecting income taxes in 1913. If taxpayers have enough deductions to itemize, they can deduct without limit what they pay in state and local real estate, personal property and income taxes. The deduction lowers taxable income but only partially translates into less taxes paid. Still, it reduces federal tax revenue nationwide by $96 billion this year, according to the Treasury Department. That makes it one of the most costly breaks in the individual tax code. Eliminating it would increase federal revenue by about $1.3 trillion over 10 years, the Tax Policy Center said. The Tax Foundation found that 88% of the benefit of the deduction in 2014 went to people with incomes of more than $100,000. Californians received one-fifth of the total value of the deduction nationwide in 2014, the Tax Foundation said. And of the top 10 states for the deduction, including California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Texas, Trump carried only three in the 2016 election. The quoted is the old benefit they are trying to get back. It was a benefit that helped them more than any other state according to this article by a Cali newspaper. Btw, generally calling people stupid for bringing up hard hitting questions that force you to think on your feet isn't a good quality. It mainly shows you aren't here to debate but instead to spread bias. My previous question might have miffed you, but if you actually answered it logically and fairly, you would do your side more benefit then being unable to provide a counter which provides it hindrance instead. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:893495839] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots.</quote> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-trump-tax-california-20170927-story.html <quote>Many Californians face a big financial hit under the Republican tax plan, which would eliminate a major tax break that benefits state residents more than those anywhere else in the U.S. The federal deduction for state and local taxes allowed Californians to reduce their taxable income by $101 billion in 2014, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The break has been in the tax code since the U.S. began collecting income taxes in 1913. If taxpayers have enough deductions to itemize, they can deduct without limit what they pay in state and local real estate, personal property and income taxes. The deduction lowers taxable income but only partially translates into less taxes paid. Still, it reduces federal tax revenue nationwide by $96 billion this year, according to the Treasury Department. That makes it one of the most costly breaks in the individual tax code. Eliminating it would increase federal revenue by about $1.3 trillion over 10 years, the Tax Policy Center said. The Tax Foundation found that 88% of the benefit of the deduction in 2014 went to people with incomes of more than $100,000. Californians received one-fifth of the total value of the deduction nationwide in 2014, the Tax Foundation said. And of the top 10 states for the deduction, including California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Texas, Trump carried only three in the 2016 election.</quote> The quoted is the old benefit they are trying to get back. It was a benefit that helped them more than any other state according to this article by a Cali newspaper. Btw, generally calling people stupid for bringing up hard hitting questions that force you to think on your feet isn't a good quality. It mainly shows you aren't here to debate but instead to spread bias. My previous question might have miffed you, but if you actually answered it logically and fairly, you would do your side more benefit then being unable to provide a counter which provides it hindrance instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 6:54:23 PM #93:	s0nicfan posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Yes, but it also sounds a lot like "the rich shouldn't pay more because Capatlism. California should pay more though because Socalism". I don't see how that's the case, though. The rich in CA probably deduct far more than $10K, so on paper they should be losing out far more than the middle class in the state with the new cap. They may be getting more in federal deductions, but that has nothing to do with CA's tax code. Under this new system, the rich can donate all THEIR state tax too, and in turn they'll get even more back. In practice, the gap in money returned between the rich and the poor in CA will only widen, not shrink. Also yea, if you as a state (not that CA is) is actively advocating socialism they you kind of should pay more, because that's how you fund your social programs. If CA as a state can't afford its own social programs through its own taxation, then that's more a problem with socialism than federal taxes. That's a much more complicated discussion, however. It might widen but it also lifts the bottom up. It raises the floor so to speak. I don't think anyone is realistically gonna believe legislation will be passed that solely benefits the middle below. So as before while I still think it's stupid I also haven't seen enough to outright dismiss it. As for the last part I wasn't trying to discuss California or socalism at all TBH. I was saying it's funny how the people saying these things have always been just fine in the past are now only changing their tune when the middle class might benefit from loopholes and California will stop being a crutch for the rest of the country. Which means there opinion holds very little weight to me. Consistency is key. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893495939] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, but it also sounds a lot like "the rich shouldn't pay more because Capatlism. California should pay more though because Socalism".</quote> I don't see how that's the case, though. The rich in CA probably deduct far more than $10K, so on paper they should be losing out far more than the middle class in the state with the new cap. They may be getting more in federal deductions, but that has nothing to do with CA's tax code. Under this new system, the rich can donate all THEIR state tax too, and in turn they'll get even more back. In practice, the gap in money returned between the rich and the poor in CA will only widen, not shrink. Also yea, if you as a state (not that CA is) is actively advocating socialism they you kind of should pay more, because that's how you fund your social programs. If CA as a state can't afford its own social programs through its own taxation, then that's more a problem with socialism than federal taxes. That's a much more complicated discussion, however.</quote> It might widen but it also lifts the bottom up. It raises the floor so to speak. I don't think anyone is realistically gonna believe legislation will be passed that solely benefits the middle below. So as before while I still think it's stupid I also haven't seen enough to outright dismiss it. As for the last part I wasn't trying to discuss California or socalism at all TBH. I was saying it's funny how the people saying these things have always been just fine in the past are now only changing their tune when the middle class might benefit from loopholes and California will stop being a crutch for the rest of the country. Which means there opinion holds very little weight to me. Consistency is key.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__Y2JosHBK___ 01/05/18 6:56:01 PM #94:	ScazarMeltex posted... I'd like to see the feds try to cut off federal aid and then California simply refuse to pay federal taxes. Then I can watch and laugh all the states that California effectively subsidizes panic as they realize that they need California far more than Cali needs them. Is water an issue for California? Sure. But if they weren't paying federal taxes to subsidize shithole southern states and flyover country they could actually put that money into desalinization plants and fix their water problem. What is California gonna do without water, food and fuel? They would collapse hard without the Midwest --- Liberalism is like getting to eat steak nonstop forever, it sounds great on paper and then you get a heart attack. Conservatism is the salad we all NEED!! <cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted [p:893496014] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>I'd like to see the feds try to cut off federal aid and then California simply refuse to pay federal taxes. Then I can watch and laugh all the states that California effectively subsidizes panic as they realize that they need California far more than Cali needs them. Is water an issue for California? Sure. But if they weren't paying federal taxes to subsidize shithole southern states and flyover country they could actually put that money into desalinization plants and fix their water problem.</quote> What is California gonna do without water, food and fuel? They would collapse hard without the Midwest</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 7:00:09 PM #95:	darkphoenix181 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-trump-tax-california-20170927-story.html Many Californians face a big financial hit under the Republican tax plan, which would eliminate a major tax break that benefits state residents more than those anywhere else in the U.S. The federal deduction for state and local taxes allowed Californians to reduce their taxable income by $101 billion in 2014, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The break has been in the tax code since the U.S. began collecting income taxes in 1913. If taxpayers have enough deductions to itemize, they can deduct without limit what they pay in state and local real estate, personal property and income taxes. The deduction lowers taxable income but only partially translates into less taxes paid. Still, it reduces federal tax revenue nationwide by $96 billion this year, according to the Treasury Department. That makes it one of the most costly breaks in the individual tax code. Eliminating it would increase federal revenue by about $1.3 trillion over 10 years, the Tax Policy Center said. The Tax Foundation found that 88% of the benefit of the deduction in 2014 went to people with incomes of more than $100,000. Californians received one-fifth of the total value of the deduction nationwide in 2014, the Tax Foundation said. And of the top 10 states for the deduction, including California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Texas, Trump carried only three in the 2016 election. The quoted is the old benefit they are trying to get back. It was a benefit that helped them more than any other state according to this article by a Cali newspaper. Btw, generally calling people stupid for bringing up hard hitting questions that force you to think on your feet isn't a good quality. It mainly shows you aren't here to debate but instead to spread bias. My previous question might have miffed you, but if you actually answered it logically and fairly, you would do your side more benefit then being unable to provide a counter which provides it hindrance instead. So what you're saying is "we could have this much money if California pays more!!!" Yes, we got that right away. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893496180] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>What is this fair share. Any of you aside from sonic (I can't say I disagree, it is cartoonish stupid but as I'm not offered a choice to lower taxes over this my stance remains the same TBH. That is, undecided) wanna post any source whatsoever about why California isn't paying fair shares because you all sound like a bunch of idiots.</quote> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-trump-tax-california-20170927-story.html <quote>Many Californians face a big financial hit under the Republican tax plan, which would eliminate a major tax break that benefits state residents more than those anywhere else in the U.S. The federal deduction for state and local taxes allowed Californians to reduce their taxable income by $101 billion in 2014, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The break has been in the tax code since the U.S. began collecting income taxes in 1913. If taxpayers have enough deductions to itemize, they can deduct without limit what they pay in state and local real estate, personal property and income taxes. The deduction lowers taxable income but only partially translates into less taxes paid. Still, it reduces federal tax revenue nationwide by $96 billion this year, according to the Treasury Department. That makes it one of the most costly breaks in the individual tax code. Eliminating it would increase federal revenue by about $1.3 trillion over 10 years, the Tax Policy Center said. The Tax Foundation found that 88% of the benefit of the deduction in 2014 went to people with incomes of more than $100,000. Californians received one-fifth of the total value of the deduction nationwide in 2014, the Tax Foundation said. And of the top 10 states for the deduction, including California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Texas, Trump carried only three in the 2016 election.</quote> The quoted is the old benefit they are trying to get back. It was a benefit that helped them more than any other state according to this article by a Cali newspaper. Btw, generally calling people stupid for bringing up hard hitting questions that force you to think on your feet isn't a good quality. It mainly shows you aren't here to debate but instead to spread bias. My previous question might have miffed you, but if you actually answered it logically and fairly, you would do your side more benefit then being unable to provide a counter which provides it hindrance instead.</quote> So what you're saying is "we could have this much money if California pays more!!!" Yes, we got that right away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 01/05/18 7:02:48 PM #96:	California would also use less water if it wasn't growing food for half the country instead of just itself --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:893496322] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote>California would also use less water if it wasn't growing food for half the country instead of just itself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 01/05/18 7:03:35 PM #97:	Annihilated posted... Suck it, California. You want to tax your own residents at a super high rate and expect the tax payers in other states to foot the bill? Kiss my ass, moochers. --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:893496362] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>Suck it, California. You want to tax your own residents at a super high rate and expect the tax payers in other states to foot the bill? Kiss my ass, moochers.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 01/05/18 7:04:13 PM #98:	The Admiral posted... s0nicfan posted... It's just.... the deduction cap is only a problem because it forces citizens in the state to pay something closer to the actual tax rate. If that's impossibly and unfairly high... CA should just lower their state taxes. On paper, the end result should be CA collecting as much money as they used to due to fewer deductions but on a lower tax rate. Instead, they're creating a new agency, and a new tax system, so that people can donate their taxes, so that they can write it off on federal taxes, so that... they can pay the same rate they used to when they were able to deduct massive chunks of their state tax because it was too high. It's just... cartoonishly stupid. Indeed. Californians got used to the federal government subsidizing their state for its massively high taxes and are now awfully conservative when asked to pay their fair share. Of course, this is all academic, because this does not meet the IRS guidelines for a charity and will be disallowed immediately. If CA residents don't like get slammed with taxes next year, they can tell ask their state officials to lower them like every other state does. It's hilarious how leftists from California are the ones most likely to disagree with my views on taxation, as well. In every other circumstance they're all about "paying your fair share" lmfao --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:893496402] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>It's just.... the deduction cap is only a problem because it forces citizens in the state to pay something closer to the actual tax rate. If that's impossibly and unfairly high... CA should just lower their state taxes. On paper, the end result should be CA collecting as much money as they used to due to fewer deductions but on a lower tax rate. Instead, they're creating a new agency, and a new tax system, so that people can donate their taxes, so that they can write it off on federal taxes, so that... they can pay the same rate they used to when they were able to deduct massive chunks of their state tax because it was too high. It's just... cartoonishly stupid.</quote> Indeed. Californians got used to the federal government subsidizing their state for its massively high taxes and are now awfully conservative when asked to pay their fair share. Of course, this is all academic, because this does not meet the IRS guidelines for a charity and will be disallowed immediately. If CA residents don't like get slammed with taxes next year, they can tell ask their state officials to lower them like every other state does.</quote> It's hilarious how leftists from California are the ones most likely to disagree with my views on taxation, as well. In every other circumstance they're all about "paying your fair share" lmfao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 01/05/18 7:04:53 PM #99:	Zeeak4444 posted... So what you're saying is "we could have this much money if California pays more!!!" Yes, we got that right away. Nope. You asked about what is fair. I gave you an article that proposes to answer that question. Californians received one-fifth of the total value of the deduction nationwide in 2014, the Tax Foundation said. And of the top 10 states for the deduction, including California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Texas, Trump carried only three in the 2016 election. 1/5 of the value out of 50 states, that is very skewed. Now, you could have tried to come up with a way to persuade me as to why this isn't unbalanced and somehow that despite getting most of the benefit by a laaaarrrge margin they are still paying their fair share. hint hint --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:893496435] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>So what you're saying is "we could have this much money if California pays more!!!" Yes, we got that right away.</quote> Nope. You asked about what is fair. I gave you an article that proposes to answer that question. <quote> Californians received one-fifth of the total value of the deduction nationwide in 2014, the Tax Foundation said. And of the top 10 states for the deduction, including California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Texas, Trump carried only three in the 2016 election.</quote> 1/5 of the value out of 50 states, that is very skewed. Now, you could have tried to come up with a way to persuade me as to why this isn't unbalanced and somehow that despite getting most of the benefit by a laaaarrrge margin they are still paying their fair share. hint hint</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 01/05/18 7:08:19 PM #100:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Annihilated posted... Suck it, California. You want to tax your own residents at a super high rate and expect the tax payers in other states to foot the bill? Kiss my ass, moochers. So now we know Proud has no idea what he's talking about. Shocking. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:893496623] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>Suck it, California. You want to tax your own residents at a super high rate and expect the tax payers in other states to foot the bill? Kiss my ass, moochers.</quote></quote> So now we know Proud has no idea what he's talking about. Shocking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 01/05/18 7:09:54 PM #101:	__Y2JosHBK___ posted... ScazarMeltex posted... I'd like to see the feds try to cut off federal aid and then California simply refuse to pay federal taxes. Then I can watch and laugh all the states that California effectively subsidizes panic as they realize that they need California far more than Cali needs them. Is water an issue for California? Sure. But if they weren't paying federal taxes to subsidize shithole southern states and flyover country they could actually put that money into desalinization plants and fix their water problem. What is California gonna do without water, food and fuel? They would collapse hard without the Midwest I addressed you water question. You do also realize that the California grows huge amounts of food for the midwest right? The Midwest mostly grows grain to feed to cows. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:893496712] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote><cite>__Y2JosHBK___ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>I'd like to see the feds try to cut off federal aid and then California simply refuse to pay federal taxes. Then I can watch and laugh all the states that California effectively subsidizes panic as they realize that they need California far more than Cali needs them. Is water an issue for California? Sure. But if they weren't paying federal taxes to subsidize shithole southern states and flyover country they could actually put that money into desalinization plants and fix their water problem.</quote> What is California gonna do without water, food and fuel? They would collapse hard without the Midwest</quote> I addressed you water question. You do also realize that the California grows huge amounts of food for the midwest right? The Midwest mostly grows grain to feed to cows.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 01/05/18 7:10:19 PM #102:	This is so amazing, I love it. I am almost crying at how good this is. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:893496736] in California... [t:76169136]...</cite> <quote>This is so amazing, I love it. I am almost crying at how good this is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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