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Antifar 01/03/18 12:54:32 PM #1:	http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html From the start, the leitmotif for Trump about his own campaign was how crappy it was, and how everybody involved in it was a loser. In August, when he was trailing Hillary Clinton by more than 12 points, he couldnt conjure even a far-fetched scenario for achieving an electoral victory. He was baffled when the right-wing billionaire Robert Mercer, a Ted Cruz backer whom Trump barely knew, offered Trumps campaign an infusion of $5 million. Trump didnt turn down the helphe just expressed vast incomprehension about why anyone would want to do that. This thing, he told Mercer, is so fucked up. Steve Bannon, who became chief executive of Trumps team in mid-August, called it the broke-dick campaign. Almost immediately, he saw that it was hampered by an even deeper structural flaw: The candidate who billed himself as a billionaire ten times over refused to invest his own money in it. Bannon told Kushner that, after the first debate in September, they would need another $50 million to cover them until Election Day. No way well get 50 million unless we can guarantee him victory, said a clear-eyed Kushner. Twenty-five million? prodded Bannon. If we can say victory is more than likely. In the end, the best Trump would do is to loan the campaign $10 million, provided he got it back as soon as they could raise other money. Steve Mnuchin, the campaigns finance chairman, came to collect the loan with the wire instructions ready to go so Trump couldnt conveniently forget to send the money. Most presidential candidates spend their entire careers, if not their lives from adolescence, preparing for the role. They rise up the ladder of elected offices, perfect a public face, and prepare themselves to win and to govern. The Trump calculation, quite a conscious one, was different. The candidate and his top lieutenants believed they could get all the benefits of almost becoming president without having to change their behavior or their worldview one whit. Almost everybody on the Trump team, in fact, came with the kind of messy conflicts bound to bite a president once he was in office. Michael Flynn, the retired general who served as Trumps opening act at campaign rallies, had been told by his friends that it had not been a good idea to take $45,000 from the Russians for a speech. Well, it would only be a problem if we won, Flynn assured them. Not only did Trump disregard the potential conflicts of his own business deals and real-estate holdings, he audaciously refused to release his tax returns. Why should he? Once he lost, Trump would be both insanely famous and a martyr to Crooked Hillary. His daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared would be international celebrities. Steve Bannon would become the de facto head of the tea-party movement. Kellyanne Conway would be a cable-news star. Melania Trump, who had been assured by her husband that he wouldnt become president, could return to inconspicuously lunching. Losing would work out for everybody. Losing was winning. Shortly after 8 p.m. on Election Night, when the unexpected trend Trump might actually win seemed confirmed, Don Jr. told a friend that his father, or DJT, as he calls him, looked as if he had seen a ghost. Melania was in tearsand not of joy. There was, in the space of little more than an hour, in Steve Bannons not unamused observation, a befuddled Trump morphing into a disbelieving Trump and then into a horrified Trump. But still to come was the final transformation: Suddenly, Donald Trump became a man who believed that he deserved to be, and was wholly capable of being, the president of the United States. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:893351747] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html <quote>From the start, the leitmotif for Trump about his own campaign was how crappy it was, and how everybody involved in it was a loser. In August, when he was trailing Hillary Clinton by more than 12 points, he couldnt conjure even a far-fetched scenario for achieving an electoral victory. He was baffled when the right-wing billionaire Robert Mercer, a Ted Cruz backer whom Trump barely knew, offered Trumps campaign an infusion of $5 million. Trump didnt turn down the helphe just expressed vast incomprehension about why anyone would want to do that. This thing, he told Mercer, is so fucked up. Steve Bannon, who became chief executive of Trumps team in mid-August, called it the broke-dick campaign. Almost immediately, he saw that it was hampered by an even deeper structural flaw: The candidate who billed himself as a billionaire ten times over refused to invest his own money in it. Bannon told Kushner that, after the first debate in September, they would need another $50 million to cover them until Election Day. No way well get 50 million unless we can guarantee him victory, said a clear-eyed Kushner. Twenty-five million? prodded Bannon. If we can say victory is more than likely. In the end, the best Trump would do is to loan the campaign $10 million, provided he got it back as soon as they could raise other money. Steve Mnuchin, the campaigns finance chairman, came to collect the loan with the wire instructions ready to go so Trump couldnt conveniently forget to send the money. Most presidential candidates spend their entire careers, if not their lives from adolescence, preparing for the role. They rise up the ladder of elected offices, perfect a public face, and prepare themselves to win and to govern. The Trump calculation, quite a conscious one, was different. The candidate and his top lieutenants believed they could get all the benefits of almost becoming president without having to change their behavior or their worldview one whit. Almost everybody on the Trump team, in fact, came with the kind of messy conflicts bound to bite a president once he was in office. Michael Flynn, the retired general who served as Trumps opening act at campaign rallies, had been told by his friends that it had not been a good idea to take $45,000 from the Russians for a speech. Well, it would only be a problem if we won, Flynn assured them. Not only did Trump disregard the potential conflicts of his own business deals and real-estate holdings, he audaciously refused to release his tax returns. Why should he? Once he lost, Trump would be both insanely famous and a martyr to Crooked Hillary. His daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared would be international celebrities. Steve Bannon would become the de facto head of the tea-party movement. Kellyanne Conway would be a cable-news star. Melania Trump, who had been assured by her husband that he wouldnt become president, could return to inconspicuously lunching. Losing would work out for everybody. Losing was winning. Shortly after 8 p.m. on Election Night, when the unexpected trend Trump might actually win seemed confirmed, Don Jr. told a friend that his father, or DJT, as he calls him, looked as if he had seen a ghost. Melania was in tearsand not of joy. There was, in the space of little more than an hour, in Steve Bannons not unamused observation, a befuddled Trump morphing into a disbelieving Trump and then into a horrified Trump. But still to come was the final transformation: Suddenly, Donald Trump became a man who believed that he deserved to be, and was wholly capable of being, the president of the United States.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 01/03/18 12:55:40 PM #2:	Most Republicans in Congress didn't want him to either because bitching about Hillary and obstructing for another 4 years would have been way easier than actually trying to govern. --- Formerly known as The_Great_Geno <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:893351794] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>Most Republicans in Congress didn't want him to either because bitching about Hillary and obstructing for another 4 years would have been way easier than actually trying to govern.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Milkman5 01/03/18 12:55:50 PM #3:	why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win? <cite>Milkman5 posted [p:893351803] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 01/03/18 12:57:07 PM #4:	Fake news --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif <cite>Turbam posted [p:893351862] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>Fake news</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 01/03/18 12:57:13 PM #5:	Genocet_10-325 posted... Most Republicans in Congress didn't want him to either because hitching about Hillary and obstructing for another 4 years would have been way easier than actually trying to govern. dont kid yourself GOP in congress wanted a president in their party so they could use budgetary reconciliation the way they knew democrats were afraid to and they did just that. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:893351873] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>Most Republicans in Congress didn't want him to either because hitching about Hillary and obstructing for another 4 years would have been way easier than actually trying to govern. </quote> dont kid yourself GOP in congress wanted a president in their party so they could use budgetary reconciliation the way they knew democrats were afraid to and they did just that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaytlessHearts 01/03/18 12:57:15 PM #6:	Well luckily he did. Otherwise it would've been that human pile of shit. Lol it's hilarious to even read. --- "To be forgotten is worse than death..." -Freya <cite>FaytlessHearts posted [p:893351874] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>Well luckily he did. Otherwise it would've been that human pile of shit. Lol it's hilarious to even read.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 01/03/18 12:57:24 PM #7:	Milkman5 posted... why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win? I don't believe he did Genocet_10-325 posted... Most Republicans in Congress didn't want him to either because bitching about Hillary and obstructing for another 4 years would have been way easier than actually trying to govern. I think some Republicans loathed the prospect of dealing with Trump, but they wanted to win so they could do all the shit they've been wanting to do for decades. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:893351886] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win?</quote> I don't believe he did <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>Most Republicans in Congress didn't want him to either because bitching about Hillary and obstructing for another 4 years would have been way easier than actually trying to govern.</quote> I think some Republicans loathed the prospect of dealing with Trump, but they wanted to win so they could do all the shit they've been wanting to do for decades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 01/03/18 12:59:04 PM #8:	Milkman5 posted... why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win? seems less "didn't want to" and more "didn't expect to and wasn't willing to risk things that mattered like money" --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:893351969] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win?</quote> seems less "didn't want to" and more "didn't expect to and wasn't willing to risk things that mattered like money"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 01/03/18 1:02:18 PM #9:	Trump did want to win. He even said as much back in the 80s on the Oprah Show. He may not always give off that impression like you'd expect because he tends to be a very humble person. But he definitely wanted to win. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:893352137] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>Trump did want to win. He even said as much back in the 80s on the Oprah Show. He may not always give off that impression like you'd expect because he tends to be a very humble person. But he definitely wanted to win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 01/03/18 1:13:41 PM #10:	DifferentialEquation posted... because he tends to be a very humble person not even Trump's biggest shills claim he's humble, you should tone your gimmick down a tad if you want to remain believable. --- Playing: Hyper Light Drifter (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:893352690] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>because he tends to be a very humble person</quote> not even Trump's biggest shills claim he's humble, you should tone your gimmick down a tad if you want to remain believable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 01/03/18 1:16:07 PM #11:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS2_AYt8-Z0 --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:893352825] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS2_AYt8-Z0</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 01/03/18 1:16:29 PM #12:	DifferentialEquation posted... he tends to be a very humble person. lmao --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:893352845] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>he tends to be a very humble person. </quote> lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 01/03/18 1:16:49 PM #13:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlqKFlU7YAs <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:893352863] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlqKFlU7YAs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 01/03/18 1:22:51 PM #14:	Milkman5 posted... why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win? Is this what people actually think the Russia shit is about? --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:893353142] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win?</quote> Is this what people actually think the Russia shit is about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/03/18 1:23:12 PM #15:	I thought that was obvious --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893353164] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>I thought that was obvious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/03/18 1:24:40 PM #16:	Darkman124 posted... dont kid yourself GOP in congress wanted a president in their party so they could use budgetary reconciliation the way they knew democrats were afraid to and they did just that. I mean, they probably did want someone other than Trump though just not after the primary --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893353246] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>dont kid yourself GOP in congress wanted a president in their party so they could use budgetary reconciliation the way they knew democrats were afraid to and they did just that.</quote> I mean, they probably did want someone other than Trump though just not after the primary</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 01/03/18 1:27:47 PM #17:	right. once he won, he won, they assumed they weren't getting the white house but were still gonna try --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:893353405] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>right. once he won, he won, they assumed they weren't getting the white house but were still gonna try</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D-Lo_BrownTown 01/03/18 1:29:28 PM #18:	He didn't even want to win and he still beat Hillary lmfao --- https://i.imgtc.com/lYWecjF.jpg <cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted [p:893353511] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>He didn't even want to win and he still beat Hillary lmfao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 01/03/18 1:29:53 PM #19:	D-Lo_BrownTown posted... He didn't even want to win and he still beat Hillary lmfao When you're right, you're right. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:893353537] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted...</cite> <quote>He didn't even want to win and he still beat Hillary lmfao</quote> When you're right, you're right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 01/03/18 1:33:36 PM #21:	Antifar posted... D-Lo_BrownTown posted... He didn't even want to win and he still beat Hillary lmfao When you're right, you're right. clinton campaign demonstrated they have little understanding of the electoral system and its strategy they didnt invest heavy in turnout in PA/MI. assumed those were locks. they underinvested in turnout in OH/FL. they spent money advertising in TEXAS. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:893353734] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted...</cite> <quote>He didn't even want to win and he still beat Hillary lmfao</quote> When you're right, you're right.</quote> clinton campaign demonstrated they have little understanding of the electoral system and its strategy they didnt invest heavy in turnout in PA/MI. assumed those were locks. they underinvested in turnout in OH/FL. they spent money advertising in TEXAS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/03/18 1:40:14 PM #22:	Darkman124 posted... clinton campaign demonstrated they have little understanding of the electoral system and its strategy they didnt invest heavy in turnout in PA/MI. assumed those were locks. they underinvested in turnout in OH/FL. they spent money advertising in TEXAS. alternatively, they do understand it and they were super overconfident pressing AZ, TX, and GA makes me assume the latter --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893354100] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>clinton campaign demonstrated they have little understanding of the electoral system and its strategy they didnt invest heavy in turnout in PA/MI. assumed those were locks. they underinvested in turnout in OH/FL. they spent money advertising in TEXAS.</quote> alternatively, they do understand it and they were super overconfident pressing AZ, TX, and GA makes me assume the latter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/03/18 1:41:09 PM #23:	I mean those are all really solid places to be advertising if you are up 15 points in the general --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893354153] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>I mean those are all really solid places to be advertising if you are up 15 points in the general</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 01/03/18 1:44:06 PM #25:	Balrog0 posted... pressing AZ, TX, and GA makes me assume the latter it wasn't an awful idea, they were just about 10 years too early on it --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:893354327] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>pressing AZ, TX, and GA makes me assume the latter </quote> it wasn't an awful idea, they were just about 10 years too early on it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FigureOfSpeech 01/03/18 1:44:30 PM #26:	donald trump isn't donald trump --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>FigureOfSpeech posted [p:893354362] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>donald trump isn't donald trump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 01/03/18 1:45:38 PM #27:	Seems like bullshit conjecture from a dude trying to sell a book. The don hates losing, losers, or being associated with either. --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png http://www.gameswagonline.com/uploads/9/0/8/9/9089979/1372277527.jpg <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:893354421] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>Seems like bullshit conjecture from a dude trying to sell a book. The don hates losing, losers, or being associated with either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 01/03/18 1:48:08 PM #28:	Balrog0 posted... I mean those are all really solid places to be advertising if you are up 15 points in the general are they there are no bonus points for winning 272 EVs i guess they were trying to help down-ticket candidates maybe? that also failed. you get down to it? the EC is all about ~7 states. you spend money outside those states, you are wasting money. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:893354557] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean those are all really solid places to be advertising if you are up 15 points in the general</quote> are they there are no bonus points for winning 272 EVs i guess they were trying to help down-ticket candidates maybe? that also failed. you get down to it? the EC is all about ~7 states. you spend money outside those states, you are wasting money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 01/03/18 1:53:12 PM #29:	>uses Russian help to win election >doesnt want to win Make up your mind liberals --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:893354860] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>>uses Russian help to win election >doesnt want to win Make up your mind liberals</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/03/18 1:56:07 PM #30:	Darkman124 posted... are they yes Darkman124 posted... there are no bonus points for winning 272 EVs i guess they were trying to help down-ticket candidates maybe? that also failed. yes Darkman124 posted... you get down to it? the EC is all about ~7 states. you spend money outside those states, you are wasting money. it is an attempt to lay the groundwork for 2020 in areas where they will find it easier to penetrate with trump on the ticket than they would without him on the ticket it is about both the downballot races and future presidential races. it is similar to the idea that turning someone out to vote is easier than to register someone new. It is easier to get someone to vote again next time if you get them to vote now. if you think another campaign will attempt to unseat you next time, it makes sense to invest in nontraditional areas so as to get a leg up on the competition and force them to spend money to protect what would otherwise be safe and easy areas imho --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893355035] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>are they </quote> yes <cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>there are no bonus points for winning 272 EVs i guess they were trying to help down-ticket candidates maybe? that also failed.</quote> yes <cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>you get down to it? the EC is all about ~7 states. you spend money outside those states, you are wasting money.</quote> it is an attempt to lay the groundwork for 2020 in areas where they will find it easier to penetrate with trump on the ticket than they would without him on the ticket it is about both the downballot races and future presidential races. it is similar to the idea that turning someone out to vote is easier than to register someone new. It is easier to get someone to vote again next time if you get them to vote now. if you think another campaign will attempt to unseat you next time, it makes sense to invest in nontraditional areas so as to get a leg up on the competition and force them to spend money to protect what would otherwise be safe and easy areas imho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 01/03/18 2:11:51 PM #31:	idk man. if you dont think you can flip the house i don't see the point. having more of a minority doesn't help when everything is party line and passed regardless of filibuster the presidency for dems was going to be a veto stamp and little more, and they needed it --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:893355934] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>idk man. if you dont think you can flip the house i don't see the point. having more of a minority doesn't help when everything is party line and passed regardless of filibuster the presidency for dems was going to be a veto stamp and little more, and they needed it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/03/18 2:14:17 PM #32:	Darkman124 posted... idk man. if you dont think you can flip the house i don't see the point. that is because you keep focusing on how to win 2016, and my hypothesis is that they already thought they had won it and were thinking much larger scale about Clinton's future -- and yeah doing this kind of work would help in 2018, too. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893356070] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>idk man. if you dont think you can flip the house i don't see the point.</quote> that is because you keep focusing on how to win 2016, and my hypothesis is that they already thought they had won it and were thinking much larger scale about Clinton's future -- and yeah doing this kind of work would help in 2018, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/03/18 2:15:28 PM #33:	I mean, iirc, they more or less admitted that was the case. They wanted to run up the score because they were worried a close electoral finish would empower Trump/the right and lead to her being incapable of governing effectively? I think that is their coded way of saying they were developing a ground game for future elections. also, remember that they were supposed to be winning the senate back already -- idk the state of the senate races in TX, GA, AZ, but I'm thinking this decision was made back when places like OH and IN were considered safe flips and even FL was considered winnable in the senate. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893356128] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>I mean, iirc, they more or less admitted that was the case. They wanted to run up the score because they were worried a close electoral finish would empower Trump/the right and lead to her being incapable of governing effectively? I think that is their coded way of saying they were developing a ground game for future elections. also, remember that they were supposed to be winning the senate back already -- idk the state of the senate races in TX, GA, AZ, but I'm thinking this decision was made back when places like OH and IN were considered safe flips and even FL was considered winnable in the senate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/03/18 2:22:42 PM #34:	I remember when I thought Kander was going to win his senate race wistful sigh --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:893356541] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>I remember when I thought Kander was going to win his senate race wistful sigh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/03/18 2:38:56 PM #35:	Doom_Art posted... I remember when I thought Kander was going to win his senate race wistful sigh yeah I feel like people forget this part of 2016 because the presidential results were so surprising but the Senate was supposed to be a relatively easy pickup for Democrats. they still mostly won the places they were supposed to win (NV, IL, NH) but all of the other contested races ended up not going their way even though there were signs they were favored in many of them, like PA, NC, IN, WI --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893357508] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I remember when I thought Kander was going to win his senate race wistful sigh</quote> yeah I feel like people forget this part of 2016 because the presidential results were so surprising but the Senate was supposed to be a relatively easy pickup for Democrats. they still mostly won the places they were supposed to win (NV, IL, NH) but all of the other contested races ended up not going their way even though there were signs they were favored in many of them, like PA, NC, IN, WI</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/03/18 3:07:30 PM #36:	Balrog0 posted... but the Senate was supposed to be a relatively easy pickup for Democrats. they still mostly won the places they were supposed to win (NV, IL, NH) but all of the other contested races ended up not going their way even though there were signs they were favored in many of them, like PA, NC, IN, WI It surprised all of us on election night. I know for a little bit after the first debate when Clinton was ahead by like 15 points or something people were predicting that the House was in play I always had my doubts on that but I definitely expected at least on election day that the Dems would squeak out a few more seats Especially in MO, IN, and WI at the very least. Those were all, on paper, totally easy wins. Bad turnout/Clinton had a nuclear effect on downballots I guess. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:893359185] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>but the Senate was supposed to be a relatively easy pickup for Democrats. they still mostly won the places they were supposed to win (NV, IL, NH) but all of the other contested races ended up not going their way even though there were signs they were favored in many of them, like PA, NC, IN, WI </quote> It surprised all of us on election night. I know for a little bit after the first debate when Clinton was ahead by like 15 points or something people were predicting that the House was in play I always had my doubts on that but I definitely expected at least on election day that the Dems would squeak out a few more seats Especially in MO, IN, and WI at the very least. Those were all, on paper, totally easy wins. Bad turnout/Clinton had a nuclear effect on downballots I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 01/03/18 3:17:05 PM #37:	Did anyone think he wanted to win? He had to move into a smaller house in a black neighborhood. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:893359783] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>Did anyone think he wanted to win? He had to move into a smaller house in a black neighborhood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 01/03/18 7:58:31 PM #38:	This is nothing more than liberal fan fiction. Someone not wanting to win doesn't hold 25 rallies in the last week of the campaign. And it directly contradicts the liberal narrative people have been regurgitating forever about how "he is just running because of his ego! He's a billionaire, TV start, but now he wants to be the president too!" Or the Russia collusion, etc. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:893375385] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>This is nothing more than liberal fan fiction. Someone not wanting to win doesn't hold 25 rallies in the last week of the campaign. And it directly contradicts the liberal narrative people have been regurgitating forever about how "he is just running because of his ego! He's a billionaire, TV start, but now he wants to be the president too!" Or the Russia collusion, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 01/03/18 8:02:20 PM #39:	NadYobWoc posted... Milkman5 posted... why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win? Is this what people actually think the Russia shit is about? Unfortunately yes. They also believe that it's strictly a domestic policy issue and that it has nothing to do with the foreign affairs of either country. It's really quite disturbing that people would defend the aggressive actions of a foreign nation while attacking their own fellow Americans. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:893375610] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>why would Trump supposedly hire the russians to "hack" the election if he didn't want to win?</quote> Is this what people actually think the Russia shit is about?</quote> Unfortunately yes. They also believe that it's strictly a domestic policy issue and that it has nothing to do with the foreign affairs of either country. It's really quite disturbing that people would defend the aggressive actions of a foreign nation while attacking their own fellow Americans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 01/03/18 8:05:35 PM #40:	https://i.redd.it/5974r46pofxx.jpg This was literally election night. Does this look like the face of a man that wanted to win? --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:893375766] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>https://i.redd.it/5974r46pofxx.jpg This was literally election night. Does this look like the face of a man that wanted to win?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 01/03/18 8:08:05 PM #41:	BLAKUboy posted... https://i.redd.it/5974r46pofxx.jpg This was literally election night. Does this look like the face of a man that wanted to win? Look at his dorky ass try hard son in law --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:893375888] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>https://i.redd.it/5974r46pofxx.jpg This was literally election night. Does this look like the face of a man that wanted to win?</quote> Look at his dorky ass try hard son in law</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 01/03/18 8:09:58 PM #42:	I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:893375969] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 01/03/18 8:11:27 PM #43:	BLAKUboy posted... I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces. It's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind Trump, except it looks like a five year old tied his tie and he's got a slightly pink colored shirt on which makes me think that Trump was probably like "you gotta dress up like me but be a little more feminine to make me look more manly" --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:893376034] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces.</quote> It's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind Trump, except it looks like a five year old tied his tie and he's got a slightly pink colored shirt on which makes me think that Trump was probably like "you gotta dress up like me but be a little more feminine to make me look more manly"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 01/03/18 8:12:15 PM #44:	DifferentialEquation posted... because he tends to be a very humble person I hope that was a joke because Trump is the epitome of a narcissistic sociopath. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:893376085] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>because he tends to be a very humble person</quote> I hope that was a joke because Trump is the epitome of a narcissistic sociopath.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 01/03/18 8:21:51 PM #45:	Hexenherz posted... BLAKUboy posted... I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces. It's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind Trump, except it looks like a five year old tied his tie and he's got a slightly pink colored shirt on which makes me think that Trump was probably like "you gotta dress up like me but be a little more feminine to make me look more manly" That would be Eric Trump, Trump's son. Not son in law. Trump's son in law would Be Kusher, located behind Pence. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:893376566] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces.</quote> It's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind Trump, except it looks like a five year old tied his tie and he's got a slightly pink colored shirt on which makes me think that Trump was probably like "you gotta dress up like me but be a little more feminine to make me look more manly"</quote> That would be Eric Trump, Trump's son. Not son in law. Trump's son in law would Be Kusher, located behind Pence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 01/03/18 8:36:26 PM #46:	Capn Circus posted... Hexenherz posted... BLAKUboy posted... I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces. It's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind Trump, except it looks like a five year old tied his tie and he's got a slightly pink colored shirt on which makes me think that Trump was probably like "you gotta dress up like me but be a little more feminine to make me look more manly" That would be Eric Trump, Trump's son. Not son in law. Trump's son in law would Be Kusher, located behind Pence. BLAKUboy posted... I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:893377345] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces.</quote> It's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind Trump, except it looks like a five year old tied his tie and he's got a slightly pink colored shirt on which makes me think that Trump was probably like "you gotta dress up like me but be a little more feminine to make me look more manly"</quote> That would be Eric Trump, Trump's son. Not son in law. Trump's son in law would Be Kusher, located behind Pence.</quote> <cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 01/03/18 8:42:52 PM #47:	Hexenherz posted... Capn Circus posted... Hexenherz posted... BLAKUboy posted... I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces. It's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind Trump, except it looks like a five year old tied his tie and he's got a slightly pink colored shirt on which makes me think that Trump was probably like "you gotta dress up like me but be a little more feminine to make me look more manly" That would be Eric Trump, Trump's son. Not son in law. Trump's son in law would Be Kusher, located behind Pence. BLAKUboy posted... I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces. I don't get what your quotes are supposed to mean. You said look at his dorky son in law. Then he said he wasn't sure which one was him (son in law). Then you said "it's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind trump" --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:893377699] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces.</quote> It's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind Trump, except it looks like a five year old tied his tie and he's got a slightly pink colored shirt on which makes me think that Trump was probably like "you gotta dress up like me but be a little more feminine to make me look more manly"</quote> That would be Eric Trump, Trump's son. Not son in law. Trump's son in law would Be Kusher, located behind Pence.</quote> <cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't even know which one is him. All of his kids are basically just stock photo faces.</quote></quote> I don't get what your quotes are supposed to mean. You said look at his dorky son in law. Then he said he wasn't sure which one was him (son in law). Then you said "it's the guy with the same suit and tie right behind trump"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 01/03/18 8:45:28 PM #49:	Totally explains why he spends all of his time golfing. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:893377860] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>Totally explains why he spends all of his time golfing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trevor_Belmont 01/03/18 10:58:48 PM #50:	Trump didn't necessarily want to be president he just wanted to show everyone he could get elected. --- Bah weep Granah Weep Nini Bong Switch FC: SW-3150-0817-3331 Feel free to send an invite if you want. <cite>Trevor_Belmont posted [p:893384724] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>Trump didn't necessarily want to be president he just wanted to show everyone he could get elected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 01/06/18 5:59:01 AM #51:	Trump would have been way better off losing. His eyes are too big for his stomach. --- http://youtu.be/q2gO4DKVpa8 http://DemocraticUnderground.com/?com=latest_threads TrumpNews http://reddit.com/r/esist/new http://reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/new <cite>Notti posted [p:893521117] in "Dona... [t:76164508]...</cite> <quote>Trump would have been way better off losing. His eyes are too big for his stomach.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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