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s0nicfan
12/28/17 2:28:23 PM
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42433668

Academics are fleeing. The rich are fleeing. Jews are afraid to admit they're Jewish. Everyone is being accused of treason. Democracy is dead there, and the only people celebrating are the ones following a very specific book. You can't blame American imperialism on this one. You can't blame foreign intervention. You can't blame extremists or fringe elements. Turkey is a perfect use case for what happens when Islam takes hold of your society and, as expected, it's horrifying.
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r4X0r
12/28/17 2:29:19 PM
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Every country in Europe that lets Muslims across their borders in large numbers proves that more Islam is bad for society.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/28/17 2:30:22 PM
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We should consider moving our nukes out. :\
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Zeeak4444
12/28/17 2:32:03 PM
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Organized religion is bad for society.

Color me surprised.
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Balrog0
12/28/17 2:32:24 PM
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yeah I'm sure its islam and has nothing to do with erdogan personally or his political party
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StridentArremer
12/28/17 2:32:33 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Turkey is a perfect use case for what happens when Islam takes hold of your society

You mean this is an example of why religion - and any religion - should be kept separate from state affairs. It doesn't matter what the population believes as long as religion is constitutionally removed from all levels of government.
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OmegaShinkai
12/28/17 2:34:21 PM
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Are there people who still don't think the coup was a sham? It happened at just the right time, failed to capture anyone but killed civilians, and gave Erdogan his excuse to crack down on groups like the PKK while pushing himself as a hero that the coup forces tried to put down.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/28/17 2:35:06 PM
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StridentArremer posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Turkey is a perfect use case for what happens when Islam takes hold of your society

You mean this is an example of why religion - and any religion - should be kept separate from state affairs. It doesn't matter what the population believes as long as religion is constitutionally removed from all levels of government.


"But Christianity!!!"

Can you show me where the Vatican is trying people for treason over wrongthink?
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hyperpowder
12/28/17 2:35:55 PM
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Islam is bad, just like crazy conservative Christians are bad.

Religion is awful for a modern society
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masticatingman
12/28/17 2:37:23 PM
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Turkey is going down the shitter. Watch Anthony Bourdain episodes (over different series) in Istanbul. The changes are palpable.
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Balrog0
12/28/17 2:38:20 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
"But Christianity!!!"

Can you show me where the Vatican is trying people for treason over wrongthink?


The russian orthodox church in Russia often acts as a propaganda arm for Putin's government

and actually the pope at the time did support the russian orthodox church's stance on pussy riot, which was a case of imprisonment for wrong think
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StridentArremer
12/28/17 2:39:28 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
"But Christianity!!!"

Strawman. Although that's a funny coincidence, because I just came to the defense of Christianity in an unrelated topic on CE.

People can support a secular government regardless of their religious views. It's in everybody's best interests to do so, including Christians.
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Questionmarktarius
12/28/17 2:59:24 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
"But Christianity!!!"

Can you show me where the Vatican is trying people for treason over wrongthink?


The russian orthodox church in Russia often acts as a propaganda arm for Putin's government

and actually the pope at the time did support the russian orthodox church's stance on pussy riot, which was a case of imprisonment for wrong think

There's also the current shitshow going on in Poland.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/28/17 3:02:13 PM
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StridentArremer posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
"But Christianity!!!"

Strawman. Although that's a funny coincidence, because I just came to the defense of Christianity in an unrelated topic on CE.

People can support a secular government regardless of their religious views. It's in everybody's best interests to do so, including Christians.


Okay well I'm not making the case that Christian theocracy is good. Christianity is just less of a problem for the world. The is a massive false equivalency between the main religions.
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Ammonitida
12/28/17 3:55:16 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
yeah I'm sure its islam and has nothing to do with erdogan personally or his political party

The two countries are offering nationality to atone for the expulsion of Iberian Jews during the 15th Century Inquisition, when the Ottoman Empire absorbed a large number
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KyerWiz
12/28/17 4:12:39 PM
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A man like Erdogan seizing so much power is bad for society. I doubt it would be much better if the ideology he was consolidating his power on was different. The specifics might change, but the usual kill/imprison anyone who disagrees is far too common.
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frozenshock
12/28/17 4:25:29 PM
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Istanbul was once a christian stronghold.

No one believed it was possible for christians to ever be driven out of there.

Then this happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
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masticatingman
12/28/17 4:33:29 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Istanbul was once a christian stronghold.

No one believed it was possible for christians to ever be driven out of there.

Then this happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople


How does that have to do with the current political climate in Turkey? Youre reaching back to an event that predated Luther.
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LightningAce11
12/28/17 4:34:18 PM
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No religious person should be in a position of power.
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MorbidFaithless
12/28/17 4:41:16 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
No religious person should be in a position of power.

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FLUFFYGERM
12/28/17 4:49:57 PM
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Only mentally ill people and terrorists think more Islam anywhere is a good thing.
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/28/17 5:14:42 PM
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masticatingman posted...
frozenshock posted...
Istanbul was once a christian stronghold.

No one believed it was possible for christians to ever be driven out of there.

Then this happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople


How does that have to do with the current political climate in Turkey? Youre reaching back to an event that predated Luther.


Egypt was also a Christian nation but then turned Islamic by force.
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Third_Eye
12/28/17 5:16:08 PM
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tc = racist redneck
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/28/17 5:16:13 PM
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If Islam is so great, can anybody here actually name 3 things that nations benefit from when Islam increases in their country?
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Capn Circus
12/28/17 5:37:04 PM
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Look how tolerant I am! Let them in!!
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Capn Circus
12/28/17 5:41:33 PM
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WhinyZach posted...
This happens every where Islam is the majority. You're not allowed to be jewish/christian in muslim run countries.

People can say it's erdogan, and it partially is, but this is a sweeping problem in islamic countries.

On the contrary christian countries don't have this problem, so ya, I'd say it's a problem with islam, and not all religion.


But what about the Crusades 800 years ago!

Because of that we should be more understanding and let whatever happens happen, right?
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Capn Circus
12/28/17 5:44:02 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
StridentArremer posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Turkey is a perfect use case for what happens when Islam takes hold of your society

You mean this is an example of why religion - and any religion - should be kept separate from state affairs. It doesn't matter what the population believes as long as religion is constitutionally removed from all levels of government.


"But Christianity!!!"

Can you show me where the Vatican is trying people for treason over wrongthink?


The entirety of the European and American History up until about 200 years or so ago is full of various branches of Christianity murdering people who don't agree with them. No Government should be run according to the rules of a religion. Any religion.


What was the key ingredient that led it (Turkey) to that point --- and why was it not like that before?
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UnholyMudcrab
12/28/17 5:44:39 PM
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FLUFFYGERM
12/28/17 5:50:18 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
CE continues to impress me with the depths of its knowledge of Islam


I know a lot about Islam. Do you?
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s0nicfan
12/28/17 5:53:56 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
CE continues to impress me with the depths of its knowledge of Islam


I know a lot about Islam. Do you?


We could always call in CE's resident former-muslim Gavi if Mudcrab thinks that us infidels don't know enough to judge it.
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Capn Circus
12/28/17 6:04:08 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Capn Circus posted...
WhinyZach posted...
This happens every where Islam is the majority. You're not allowed to be jewish/christian in muslim run countries.

People can say it's erdogan, and it partially is, but this is a sweeping problem in islamic countries.

On the contrary christian countries don't have this problem, so ya, I'd say it's a problem with islam, and not all religion.


But what about the Crusades 800 years ago!

Because of that we should be more understanding and let whatever happens happen, right?


Most "Christian countries" aren't really trying to govern by the rules of christianity, because most of those countries are western style democracies that have a separation between church and state. If you don't think that evangelicals in the US would do similar things given free reign you haven't been paying attention.


So fill me in. Did something change that had nothing to do with Islam? Why wasn't there another religion already running the government? Why is Turkey bad off now?
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FLUFFYGERM
12/28/17 6:04:15 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
CE continues to impress me with the depths of its knowledge of Islam


I know a lot about Islam. Do you?


We could always call in CE's resident former-muslim Gavi if Mudcrab thinks that us infidels don't know enough to judge it.


Mudcrab only knows how to shill for SJWism so I doubt he'd listen to Gavi.
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UnholyMudcrab
12/28/17 6:05:49 PM
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You guys are just adorable

That said, I don't think you're quite squeezing in enough meaningless buzzwords there, Clad. Could you step it up just a touch?
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/28/17 6:06:26 PM
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
If Islam is so great, can anybody here actually name 3 things that nations benefit from when Islam increases in their country?


Come on anybody? Is it hard or something?
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FLUFFYGERM
12/28/17 6:10:44 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
You guys are just adorable

That said, I don't think you're quite squeezing in enough meaningless buzzwords there, Clad. Could you step it up just a touch?


Do you know anything about Islam?
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UnholyMudcrab
12/28/17 6:12:43 PM
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Do you know anything about authoritarianism? That's what's going on here. Islam is just the excuse used.
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NinjaWarrior455
12/28/17 6:17:35 PM
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Sure feels stormy up in this thread.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/28/17 6:22:05 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Do you know anything about authoritarianism? That's what's going on here. Islam is just the excuse used.


No, this is pure Islam at work. Read the Quran.
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EverDownward
12/28/17 6:22:35 PM
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hyperpowder posted...
Islam is bad, just like crazy conservative Christians are bad.

You know, you're right. I'd much rather take the Islamist that would chop my head off for disobeying Allah than have to suffer the silent judgment of a Christian when I'm not in their presence. Better to be stabbed from the front, than in the back!
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Capn Circus
12/28/17 6:22:40 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Do you know anything about authoritarianism? That's what's going on here. Islam is just the excuse used.


Why is this authoritarianism just now happening? Why wasn't it like this before?
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darkphoenix181
12/28/17 6:27:07 PM
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all religions are bad!

imagine if more people thought that you should love your neighbors and bless your enemies and turn the other cheek!

imagine if they thought you should suffer for the cause of good instead of return evil for evil!
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Antifar
12/28/17 6:30:59 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Why is this authoritarianism just now happening? Why wasn't it like this before?

Do...do you think Turkey only recently became Muslim?
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XXHornDogXX
12/28/17 6:33:50 PM
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Its gonna be hilarious when humanity as a whole reflects on our history and realizes how stupid all our ancestors were for believing in a magic man in the sky and any religion at all.

Unfortunately, this won't happen for a few hundred if not thousands of years...
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thronedfire2
12/28/17 6:37:26 PM
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XXHornDogXX posted...
Its gonna be hilarious when humanity as a whole reflects on our history and realizes how stupid all our ancestors were for believing in a magic man in the sky and any religion at all.

Unfortunately, this won't happen for a few hundred if not thousands of years...


Yup

God has as much basis in reality as Santa Claus. Both created to scare people into staying in line
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