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s0nicfan 12/28/17 2:28:23 PM #1: |
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42433668
Academics are fleeing. The rich are fleeing. Jews are afraid to admit they're Jewish. Everyone is being accused of treason. Democracy is dead there, and the only people celebrating are the ones following a very specific book. You can't blame American imperialism on this one. You can't blame foreign intervention. You can't blame extremists or fringe elements. Turkey is a perfect use case for what happens when Islam takes hold of your society and, as expected, it's horrifying. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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r4X0r 12/28/17 2:29:19 PM #2: |
Every country in Europe that lets Muslims across their borders in large numbers proves that more Islam is bad for society.
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Anarchy_Juiblex 12/28/17 2:30:22 PM #3: |
We should consider moving our nukes out. :\
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Zeeak4444 12/28/17 2:32:03 PM #4: |
Organized religion is bad for society.
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Balrog0 12/28/17 2:32:24 PM #5: |
yeah I'm sure its islam and has nothing to do with erdogan personally or his political party
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StridentArremer 12/28/17 2:32:33 PM #6: |
s0nicfan posted...
Turkey is a perfect use case for what happens when Islam takes hold of your society You mean this is an example of why religion - and any religion - should be kept separate from state affairs. It doesn't matter what the population believes as long as religion is constitutionally removed from all levels of government. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OmegaShinkai 12/28/17 2:34:21 PM #7: |
Are there people who still don't think the coup was a sham? It happened at just the right time, failed to capture anyone but killed civilians, and gave Erdogan his excuse to crack down on groups like the PKK while pushing himself as a hero that the coup forces tried to put down.
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Anarchy_Juiblex 12/28/17 2:35:06 PM #8: |
StridentArremer posted...
s0nicfan posted...Turkey is a perfect use case for what happens when Islam takes hold of your society "But Christianity!!!" Can you show me where the Vatican is trying people for treason over wrongthink? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hyperpowder 12/28/17 2:35:55 PM #9: |
Islam is bad, just like crazy conservative Christians are bad.
Religion is awful for a modern society --- Whoever beats my score I will give them a $10 PSN or Live card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpiorAx40GY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masticatingman 12/28/17 2:37:23 PM #10: |
Turkey is going down the shitter. Watch Anthony Bourdain episodes (over different series) in Istanbul. The changes are palpable.
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Balrog0 12/28/17 2:38:20 PM #11: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
"But Christianity!!!" The russian orthodox church in Russia often acts as a propaganda arm for Putin's government and actually the pope at the time did support the russian orthodox church's stance on pussy riot, which was a case of imprisonment for wrong think --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StridentArremer 12/28/17 2:39:28 PM #12: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
"But Christianity!!!" Strawman. Although that's a funny coincidence, because I just came to the defense of Christianity in an unrelated topic on CE. People can support a secular government regardless of their religious views. It's in everybody's best interests to do so, including Christians. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/28/17 2:59:24 PM #14: |
Balrog0 posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted..."But Christianity!!!" There's also the current shitshow going on in Poland. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 12/28/17 3:02:13 PM #15: |
StridentArremer posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted..."But Christianity!!!" Okay well I'm not making the case that Christian theocracy is good. Christianity is just less of a problem for the world. The is a massive false equivalency between the main religions. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 12/28/17 3:55:16 PM #16: |
Balrog0 posted...
yeah I'm sure its islam and has nothing to do with erdogan personally or his political party The two countries are offering nationality to atone for the expulsion of Iberian Jews during the 15th Century Inquisition, when the Ottoman Empire absorbed a large number ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KyerWiz 12/28/17 4:12:39 PM #17: |
A man like Erdogan seizing so much power is bad for society. I doubt it would be much better if the ideology he was consolidating his power on was different. The specifics might change, but the usual kill/imprison anyone who disagrees is far too common.
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frozenshock 12/28/17 4:25:29 PM #18: |
Istanbul was once a christian stronghold.
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masticatingman 12/28/17 4:33:29 PM #19: |
frozenshock posted...
Istanbul was once a christian stronghold. How does that have to do with the current political climate in Turkey? Youre reaching back to an event that predated Luther. --- I am I - you are you. These are irrefutable truths. Possibly. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningAce11 12/28/17 4:34:18 PM #20: |
No religious person should be in a position of power.
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MorbidFaithless 12/28/17 4:41:16 PM #22: |
LightningAce11 posted...
No religious person should be in a position of power. --- walk like thunder ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 12/28/17 4:49:57 PM #23: |
Only mentally ill people and terrorists think more Islam anywhere is a good thing.
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NINExATExSEVEN 12/28/17 5:14:42 PM #24: |
masticatingman posted...
frozenshock posted...Istanbul was once a christian stronghold. Egypt was also a Christian nation but then turned Islamic by force. --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Third_Eye 12/28/17 5:16:08 PM #25: |
tc = racist redneck
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NINExATExSEVEN 12/28/17 5:16:13 PM #26: |
If Islam is so great, can anybody here actually name 3 things that nations benefit from when Islam increases in their country?
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Capn Circus 12/28/17 5:37:04 PM #29: |
Look how tolerant I am! Let them in!!
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Capn Circus 12/28/17 5:41:33 PM #30: |
WhinyZach posted...
This happens every where Islam is the majority. You're not allowed to be jewish/christian in muslim run countries. But what about the Crusades 800 years ago! Because of that we should be more understanding and let whatever happens happen, right? --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 12/28/17 5:44:02 PM #31: |
ScazarMeltex posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...StridentArremer posted...s0nicfan posted...Turkey is a perfect use case for what happens when Islam takes hold of your society What was the key ingredient that led it (Turkey) to that point --- and why was it not like that before? --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 12/28/17 5:44:39 PM #32: |
CE continues to impress me with the depths of its knowledge of Islam
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FLUFFYGERM 12/28/17 5:50:18 PM #34: |
UnholyMudcrab posted...
CE continues to impress me with the depths of its knowledge of Islam I know a lot about Islam. Do you? --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 12/28/17 5:53:56 PM #35: |
FLUFFYGERM posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...CE continues to impress me with the depths of its knowledge of Islam We could always call in CE's resident former-muslim Gavi if Mudcrab thinks that us infidels don't know enough to judge it. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 12/28/17 6:04:08 PM #36: |
ScazarMeltex posted...
Capn Circus posted...WhinyZach posted...This happens every where Islam is the majority. You're not allowed to be jewish/christian in muslim run countries. So fill me in. Did something change that had nothing to do with Islam? Why wasn't there another religion already running the government? Why is Turkey bad off now? --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 12/28/17 6:04:15 PM #37: |
s0nicfan posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...UnholyMudcrab posted...CE continues to impress me with the depths of its knowledge of Islam Mudcrab only knows how to shill for SJWism so I doubt he'd listen to Gavi. --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 12/28/17 6:05:49 PM #38: |
You guys are just adorable
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NINExATExSEVEN 12/28/17 6:06:26 PM #39: |
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
If Islam is so great, can anybody here actually name 3 things that nations benefit from when Islam increases in their country? Come on anybody? Is it hard or something? --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 12/28/17 6:10:44 PM #40: |
UnholyMudcrab posted...
You guys are just adorable Do you know anything about Islam? --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 12/28/17 6:12:43 PM #41: |
Do you know anything about authoritarianism? That's what's going on here. Islam is just the excuse used.
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NinjaWarrior455 12/28/17 6:17:35 PM #42: |
Sure feels stormy up in this thread.
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FLUFFYGERM 12/28/17 6:22:05 PM #43: |
UnholyMudcrab posted...
Do you know anything about authoritarianism? That's what's going on here. Islam is just the excuse used. No, this is pure Islam at work. Read the Quran. --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EverDownward 12/28/17 6:22:35 PM #44: |
hyperpowder posted...
Islam is bad, just like crazy conservative Christians are bad. You know, you're right. I'd much rather take the Islamist that would chop my head off for disobeying Allah than have to suffer the silent judgment of a Christian when I'm not in their presence. Better to be stabbed from the front, than in the back! --- http://i.imgur.com/DKNJbBm.jpg What a terrifying thing to happen. I'm not sure why but I have this big fear of going blond - Zurkon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 12/28/17 6:22:40 PM #45: |
UnholyMudcrab posted...
Do you know anything about authoritarianism? That's what's going on here. Islam is just the excuse used. Why is this authoritarianism just now happening? Why wasn't it like this before? --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 12/28/17 6:27:07 PM #46: |
all religions are bad!
imagine if more people thought that you should love your neighbors and bless your enemies and turn the other cheek! imagine if they thought you should suffer for the cause of good instead of return evil for evil! --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 12/28/17 6:30:59 PM #48: |
Capn Circus posted...
Why is this authoritarianism just now happening? Why wasn't it like this before? Do...do you think Turkey only recently became Muslim? --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XXHornDogXX 12/28/17 6:33:50 PM #49: |
Its gonna be hilarious when humanity as a whole reflects on our history and realizes how stupid all our ancestors were for believing in a magic man in the sky and any religion at all.
Unfortunately, this won't happen for a few hundred if not thousands of years... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 12/28/17 6:37:26 PM #50: |
XXHornDogXX posted...
Its gonna be hilarious when humanity as a whole reflects on our history and realizes how stupid all our ancestors were for believing in a magic man in the sky and any religion at all. Yup God has as much basis in reality as Santa Claus. Both created to scare people into staying in line --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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