Current Events > When did you realize gaming was headed in a direction you weren't going to like?

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When I started playing games online with the ps2. I knew it was just going to be horrific, and then when I got my 360 and I think it was NHL I played....I knew online was gonna be the only thing and it was gonna be the worst thing possible.
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AsucaHayashi posted...

horse armor

Man the sad part is that horse armor is actually pretty reasonable by today's standards. Yeah, it was a completely useless cosmetic for money, but it was 100% optional, didn't affect gameplay and you just paid upfront for what you wanted.

Nowadays you have progression and cosmetics locked behind microtransactions that are also RNG based. You can't even buy the specific things you want.
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MarqueeSeries posted...

Never. I don't really have a problem with the way gaming has ended up.

2017 was probably the best year for gaming ever

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Yeah fuck Xbox Live and PSN. Playing online should only cost you the price of the game and your internet bill.

pinky0926 posted...

p2win and the success of horrific mobile games basically

I think we're coming back to good though. Path of Exile, Nintendo Switch, VR - there is a bright future for gaming so long as we continue to support ethical game mechanics.

The only ethics a for profit company has is profit. "Ethical game practices" has turned into "something X company is making money from that I disagree with". And I'm not really saying this to pick a fight pinky, just that at some point things change and if the majority of people support it with their money it comes to pass. It's not something the company did morally wrong. As again their motive is profit.
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thanosibe posted...

The only ethics a for profit company has is profit. "Ethical game practices" has turned into "something X company is making money from that I disagree with". And I'm not really saying this to pick a fight pinky, just that at some point things change and if the majority of people support it with their money it comes to pass. It's not something the company did morally wrong. As again their motive is profit.

I think there's a very legitimate argument to be had that the typical P2W lootbox mechanics are basically just unregulated gambling targeted at children. You wouldn't let nana with dementia go to the casino, but parents let their 10 year kids rack up insane credit card debt on Clash of Clans and the like all the time. You're right though, there's no incentive for companies to do otherwise unless people start voting with their wallets.
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TheGrindery posted...

Yeah fuck Xbox Live and PSN. Playing online should only cost you the price of the game and your internet bill.

Yes, because everyone knows that maintaining servers and paying IT personnel doesn't cost money.
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when developers clearly abused dlc and the fanboys/doormats/cucksumers made excuses for them every step of the way. they are a disease.
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pinky0926 posted...

thanosibe posted...

The only ethics a for profit company has is profit. "Ethical game practices" has turned into "something X company is making money from that I disagree with". And I'm not really saying this to pick a fight pinky, just that at some point things change and if the majority of people support it with their money it comes to pass. It's not something the company did morally wrong. As again their motive is profit.

I think there's a very legitimate argument to be had that the typical P2W lootbox mechanics are basically just unregulated gambling targeted at children. You wouldn't let nana with dementia go to the casino, but parents let their 10 year kids rack up insane credit card debt on Clash of Clans and the like all the time. You're right though, there's no incentive for companies to do otherwise unless people start voting with their wallets.

If it's determined to legally be gambling and that's a conflict of state/federal laws than yes I agree with you it's a legitimate argument.

Otherwise I think it's just older gamers reacting to the influence of new gamers. All changes aren't bad, some are good even if I personally don't like them. I'll just bow out of gaming at that point much like I did modern day comic books.
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When all of the follow became reoccurring trends starting in the mid 2000s

Always online single player games

Dumbed down games

MOBAs phasing out MMOs

Achievements phasing out cheat codes

thanosibe posted...

pinky0926 posted...

thanosibe posted...

The only ethics a for profit company has is profit. "Ethical game practices" has turned into "something X company is making money from that I disagree with". And I'm not really saying this to pick a fight pinky, just that at some point things change and if the majority of people support it with their money it comes to pass. It's not something the company did morally wrong. As again their motive is profit.

I think there's a very legitimate argument to be had that the typical P2W lootbox mechanics are basically just unregulated gambling targeted at children. You wouldn't let nana with dementia go to the casino, but parents let their 10 year kids rack up insane credit card debt on Clash of Clans and the like all the time. You're right though, there's no incentive for companies to do otherwise unless people start voting with their wallets.

If it's determined to legally be gambling and that's a conflict of state/federal laws than yes I agree with you it's a legitimate argument.

Otherwise I think it's just older gamers reacting to the influence of new gamers. All changes aren't bad, some are good even if I personally don't like them. I'll just bow out of gaming at that point much like I did modern day comic books.

Yeah there's definitely a sense of entitlement going on.

I mean I'm looking at Path of Exile, which is basically a perfect and fully fleshed out big budget game which is totally free with no catch. That is amazing. Not something you could have pictured being possible 10, 15 years ago.
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r4X0r posted...

Yes, because everyone knows that maintaining servers and paying IT personnel doesn't cost money.

it's funny because there are most likely tens(or hundreds)of millions of online gamers in the world who never had to fork out a single dime to pay a fee specifically for the maintenance of game servers/IT personnel.

i can go online right now on 1000+ games without having paid anything specifically for the maintenance of the servers in question so i guess there must be some magic that keeps them solvent for anyone to dive into.
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Link HT posted...

That's a really childish and tryhard elitist thing to be upset about tbh.

No it isn't , the gaming community becoming spoiled and coddled by piss easy games that basically play themselves is an awful thing. Which we still see today every time a game comes out to remind us of how the status quo should be like Cuphead or Dark Souls
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Downloaded content

I knew devs would get lazy from there

ZombiePelican posted...

Link HT posted...

That's a really childish and tryhard elitist thing to be upset about tbh.

No it isn't , the gaming community becoming spoiled and coddled by piss easy games that basically play themselves is an awful thing. Which we still see today every time a game comes out to remind us of how the status quo should be like Cuphead or Dark Souls

They are literally just video games, why don't you do something else then. But then I guess you couldn't cry about it on gamefaqs.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Link HT posted...

That's a really childish and tryhard elitist thing to be upset about tbh.

No it isn't , the gaming community becoming spoiled and coddled by piss easy games that basically play themselves is an awful thing. Which we still see today every time a game comes out to remind us of how the status quo should be like Cuphead or Dark Souls

have you ever played iwbtg fangames?

there's enough difficult games there to essentially last a lifetime probably
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Microtransactions by EA back around 2012ish
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Since idiot gamers have started allowing companies to milk them for money like a good little docile cow.

It's like for f sake man, boycott these shitty companies that try to f us over.
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ps2/gcn/xbox was when things started going downhill

most games now are nothing but brainwashing for the military

Third_Eye posted...

ps2/gcn/xbox was when things started going downhill

most games now are nothing but brainwashing for the military

Lolwut
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Third_Eye posted...

ps2/gcn/xbox was when things started going downhill

most games now are nothing but brainwashing for the military

Lolwut

Apparently being good at first person shooters makes you soldier material.

TheGrindery posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Third_Eye posted...

ps2/gcn/xbox was when things started going downhill

most games now are nothing but brainwashing for the military

Lolwut

Apparently being good at first person shooters makes you soldier material.

I'm secretly a world class marine

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Third_Eye posted...

ps2/gcn/xbox was when things started going downhill

most games now are nothing but brainwashing for the military

Lolwut

https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600x600/12648683/simpsons-join-the-navy.jpg
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When games started holding your hand for every little thing instead of figuring shit out for yourself
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When disc-locked and month-later DLC became a popular practice combined with the reluctance to create new IPs and instead focus on sequels. That's when I knew the beast was freed and that the gaming industry would be more about the "industry" part of it. Lootboxes represent the peak of this phenomenon and we're due for a major reform.
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Late Xbox era. It was obvious that FPS were going to be the dominant genre. And it ended up being the case. The majority of videogames were FPS for almost an entire generation. Fortunately, there was another shift late 2013. Now that shitty genre isn't the norm anymore. Thank god.
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I dunno, I think gaming is still pretty good. I just changed from mostly playing bigger titles on consoles to smaller titles on PC. I don't see a problem with that.
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TheGrindery posted...

Seeing more people gaming on their phones instead of having a handheld.

Seeing that kids would rather watch and hear a goofy ass moron play a video game on YouTube rather than play a game themselves.

I agree with the first point wholeheartedly.

On the second point however, I must disagree. Did you never, in your youth, huddle around the TV with your friends in the dark watching one of them play Resident Evil?
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Third_Eye posted...

ps2/gcn/xbox was when things started going downhill

most games now are nothing but brainwashing for the military

Only America's Army was, and among the people I knew that had it, none got recruited.
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Bloodmoon77 posted...

Microtransactions by EA back around 2012ish

Come to think of it, the first big red flag I noticed was when EA had a limit on the number of installations for Battlefield 2142. That was apparently released in 2006 (!!)
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