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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/28/17 12:00:09 PM
#51:


Asherlee10 posted...
I think there are times when exclusivity is not a big deal


I tend to agree but for the sake of argument do you have an objective way to tell the difference or determine when it's okay?
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Damn_Underscore
12/28/17 12:03:07 PM
#52:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
I think there are times when exclusivity is not a big deal


I tend to agree but for the sake of argument do you have an objective way to tell the difference or determine when it's okay?


Exactly, the point of a law like this is to set an objective standard.
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Teh_Dr_Phil
12/28/17 12:04:17 PM
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How is this different from someone not wanting to bake a cake?
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Damn_Underscore
12/28/17 12:04:59 PM
#55:


Teh_Dr_Phil posted...
How is this different from someone not wanting to bake a cake?


It didn't happen to a group progressives like
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Kajagogo
12/28/17 12:05:28 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
would you support a male comedian doing a men only performance?


No.
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Hexenherz
12/28/17 12:06:17 PM
#57:


What I hate about this shit is that everyone's laughing at "progressives" now because of immature behavior like this.

I'm a liberally minded "progressive" and I find this to be complete BS.
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voldothegr8
12/28/17 12:06:30 PM
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Good. If the opposite happened it would be a national headline.
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Bio1590
12/28/17 12:07:04 PM
#59:


Sounds like this guy and the lawyer are serial complainers
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Annihilated
12/28/17 12:08:27 PM
#61:


Damn_Underscore posted...
I could be wrong, but it seems that banning males from the show is 100% about malice in this case


Isn't it always?
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darkphoenix181
12/28/17 12:08:48 PM
#62:


whites only night

would that be fair?
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ImaAskAQuestion
12/28/17 12:10:54 PM
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Stupid. If she wants a girls night, what's the problem? As far as comedy goes, I don't see why not. There should be an extended line for comedians.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
12/28/17 12:12:44 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
What a whiny little bitch. Who cares if she wants to do a women's only show.

It's the same with the whiny pieces of shit that couldn't stand for a woman's only ww screening.


You'll criticize this person but get upset because someone doesn't want to bake a cake, right?


No. I don't give a fuck if some pos doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay couple. I wouldn't support their business and the world is probably better if they go out of business but I don't think the government should mandate it. That said the two aren't even close to being the same.

Balrog0 posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
What a whiny little bitch. Who cares if she wants to do a women's only show.

It's the same with the whiny pieces of shit that couldn't stand for a woman's only ww screening.


well, the legislature of the state of california wrote laws which purport to protect him so I guess either the people of california or the state of california, depending


The laws weren't written for some whiny bitch. They were written to protect people but laws don't have room for common sense.
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masticatingman
12/28/17 12:14:06 PM
#66:


Let the courts decide ffs.
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Balrog0
12/28/17 12:15:00 PM
#67:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
The laws weren't written for some whiny bitch. They were written to protect people but laws don't have room for common sense.


I mean, that's not really true. Age discrimination laws are applied one-sidedly (i.e., you can't discriminate against people who are younger, only those who are over 40, and even then you can discriminate against the over 40 if you're discriminating 'for' even older people) in most states except for some like california which wanted to give more protections even to those who are typically not considered targets for a particular kind of discrimination
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Kajagogo
12/28/17 12:15:30 PM
#69:


ImaAskAQuestion posted...
Stupid. If she wants a girls night, what's the problem? As far as comedy goes, I don't see why not. There should be an extended line for comedians.


Many people have already answered why it's a problem. Maybe read the whole thread.
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Balrog0
12/28/17 12:15:49 PM
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like trying to read this as something the law isn't 'supposed' to be for is pretty damn counter to the point of having extra special state-level legislation like this in the first place

this is what progressive policies look like when applied as intended
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
12/28/17 12:17:10 PM
#72:


Kajagogo posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
What a whiny little bitch. Who cares if she wants to do a women's only show.

It's the same with the whiny pieces of shit that couldn't stand for a woman's only ww screening.


Because it's unnecessary segregation. Do you support segregation?


For the most part I support a businesses right to do whatever the fuck they want but I also have no problem whatsoever with girls wanting a girls night because I'm not a whiny bitch that gets offended by everything.
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darkphoenix181
12/28/17 12:18:14 PM
#73:


Asherlee10 posted...
I see a difference between exclusivity and discrimination.


How do you feel about a barbershop that only lets men inside? Even a girlfriend is told that she cannot enter.
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Romes187
12/28/17 12:19:23 PM
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free market, she can do a non cis transracial women only show if she wanted to imo

who cares...if enough people are being pushed out of the market, someone else will come in and scoop up the profits by advertising directly to them.
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darkphoenix181
12/28/17 12:19:33 PM
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http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/09/08/barbershop-fined-for-refusing-to-cut-womans-hair/

WASHINGTON, Pa. (KDKA) Ask any client at Barbiere in Washington County and hell tell you the upscale gentlemans barbershop offers more than just your typical haircut.

From the rugged dcor to the macho atmosphere, its a place where guys can unwind with a complimentary cocktail or enjoy a cold beer.

[I] come here, talk sports, guy talk. A great place to get away after a hard days work, get a haircut and have a beer, said client Robert Craig.

Now, the business is at the center of a heated debate after owner John Interval was fined $750 for refusing to cut a womans hair.

She filed an action with the states Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs.

I didnt really consider it so much a discrimination thing as its a barbershop for guys, Interval said.

Interval says he wasnt aware he was legally compelled to service both men and women. But he plans on paying the fine because he respects the law.

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Mal_Fet
12/28/17 12:19:40 PM
#76:


"I support equality, unless you're white or male"

- modern progressives
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Balrog0
12/28/17 12:20:36 PM
#77:


Mal_Fet posted...
"I support equality, unless you're white or male"

- modern progressives


luckily California's legal institutions are not beholden to modern progressive ideology, if that is what it is
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Kajagogo
12/28/17 12:20:37 PM
#78:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Kajagogo posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
What a whiny little bitch. Who cares if she wants to do a women's only show.

It's the same with the whiny pieces of shit that couldn't stand for a woman's only ww screening.


Because it's unnecessary segregation. Do you support segregation?


For the most part I support a businesses right to do whatever the fuck they want but I also have no problem whatsoever with girls wanting a girls night because I'm not a whiny bitch that gets offended by everything.


That's not what I asked you. It's a simple question, and it's sort of telling how you chose not to answer it.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
12/28/17 12:21:14 PM
#80:


Balrog0 posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
The laws weren't written for some whiny bitch. They were written to protect people but laws don't have room for common sense.


I mean, that's not really true. Age discrimination laws are applied one-sidedly (i.e., you can't discriminate against people who are younger, only those who are over 40, and even then you can discriminate against the over 40 if you're discriminating 'for' even older people) in most states except for some like california which wanted to give more protections even to those who are typically not considered targets for a particular kind of discrimination


My point wasn't really him being a male or a certain group. It was that the law was written to protect him from a business saying we don't allow men or a company turning him down because he's a man.

It was not to protect him from a one off event.
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beechesfreeman
12/28/17 12:21:33 PM
#81:


have clubs been sued for ladies night?
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darkphoenix181
12/28/17 12:21:58 PM
#82:


exemption for perfoming art makes no sense
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Balrog0
12/28/17 12:22:14 PM
#83:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
My point wasn't really him being a male or a certain group. It was that the law was written to protect him from a business saying we don't allow men or a company turning him down because he's a man.

It was not to protect him from a one off event.


oh, I see what you're saying

I'm not sure what the scope of the law was intended to be, but it seems broader than that to me. You could be right though that it wasn't meant to cover things like this, idk about that

beechesfreeman posted...
have clubs been sued for ladies night?


yes, that california supreme court ruled that illegal long ago
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FrisbeeDude
12/28/17 12:25:02 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
What a whiny little bitch. Who cares if she wants to do a women's only show.

It's the same with the whiny pieces of shit that couldn't stand for a woman's only ww screening.


Pretty much this. These lemmings bitch up and down about PC culture and SJWs, but as soon as they see an opening, they do the exact same thing they complain about
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Mistere Man
12/28/17 12:25:32 PM
#87:


beechesfreeman posted...
have clubs been sued for ladies night?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38990066/ns/us_news-life/t/us-court-backs-ladies-night-promotions/#.WkUo0CROmhA
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Damn_Underscore
12/28/17 12:26:54 PM
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And progressives talk about how important equality is until they don't like the victim's race or sex.
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beechesfreeman
12/28/17 12:27:06 PM
#89:


can't even have harmless fun like ladies night or this

trumpsters defending this are sad too
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
12/28/17 12:28:36 PM
#90:


Kajagogo posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Kajagogo posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
What a whiny little bitch. Who cares if she wants to do a women's only show.

It's the same with the whiny pieces of shit that couldn't stand for a woman's only ww screening.


Because it's unnecessary segregation. Do you support segregation?


For the most part I support a businesses right to do whatever the fuck they want but I also have no problem whatsoever with girls wanting a girls night because I'm not a whiny bitch that gets offended by everything.


That's not what I asked you. It's a simple question, and it's sort of telling how you chose not to answer it.


To answer your dumb question, of course not.
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AngelsNAirwav3s
12/28/17 12:28:59 PM
#91:


beechesfreeman posted...
can't even have harmless fun like ladies night or this

trumpsters defending this are sad too


Ladies night just means free drinks for the girls. Men are still allowed inside the bar and can still get service.
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darkphoenix181
12/28/17 12:29:09 PM
#92:


Asherlee10 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
exemption for perfoming art makes no sense


I'm open to rebuttal against it. I started my portion of the discussion stating that I could be wrong or have an unjustified opinion. But you have to provide me more with just "it makes no sense."


I never saw you give a reason to what the different nature is that justifies an exemption. Like the other guy said before, it is a business like the rest.
What is so different about a stage performance than a barber shop such that you can kick men out of the stage performance but not kick women out of the barber shop? I see no glaring reason this can be justified, that is why I said it makes no sense.

And to the point of different services, women have this, which is not perfoming arts.
https://www.curves.com/about-curves
Yet male only barber shops are apparently illegal.
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Mal_Fet
12/28/17 12:29:46 PM
#93:


Asherlee10 posted...
I think it's up to her to decide if her comedy bit relies on it being a female-only audience.

Is it up to a restaurant if their food relies on their venue being for whites only?
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gamer167
12/28/17 12:30:12 PM
#95:


Iliza shlesinger is an unfunny turd.

Listen to any of her candid interviews on podcasts and she comes off as a self righteous privileged white girl with psychotic personality traits, I do not like her.

But Im okay if she wants to run a womans only show. I think its stupid, but if she wants to do something stupid just let her do what she wants.
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beechesfreeman
12/28/17 12:30:14 PM
#96:


AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Ladies night just means free drinks for the girls. Men are still allowed inside the bar and can still get service.

clearly someone gets triggered by that if there was a supreme court case about it
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Balrog0
12/28/17 12:30:34 PM
#97:


AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
beechesfreeman posted...
can't even have harmless fun like ladies night or this

trumpsters defending this are sad too


Ladies night just means free drinks for the girls. Men are still allowed inside the bar and can still get service.


Yeah, that is not legal in California, though the onus is on patrons to take legal action. I don't think they have inspectors or code enforcement proactively rooting it out
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ImaAskAQuestion
12/28/17 12:30:38 PM
#98:


Kajagogo posted...
ImaAskAQuestion posted...
Stupid. If she wants a girls night, what's the problem? As far as comedy goes, I don't see why not. There should be an extended line for comedians.


Many people have already answered why it's a problem. Maybe read the whole thread.


As Ash said, there's a line between exclusivity and discrimination.

Should a 17 year old feel discriminated against not being allowed in a bar

If it is part of her shtick and performance, then so be it. Just like if a guy wanted to have a men's club and host male-only comedy, then that is fine in my eyes.

There are places many of us are not allowed.
There are people who have that right to restrict.

Simple.
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Smashingpmkns
12/28/17 12:32:06 PM
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She's pretty funny and seems like a cool person. Hope she wins cuz this seems frivolous as shit.
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