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FLUFFYGERM
12/26/17 2:10:04 PM
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https://insideclimatenews.org/news/26122017/wind-energy-jobs-booming-texas-clean-renewable-power-climate-change

God bless America
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AlternativeFAQS
12/26/17 2:11:35 PM
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If by capitalism you mean rich businessmen seeing money yes
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Fishy
12/26/17 2:11:49 PM
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Just commenting but I don't think I saw a single turbine actually spinning when I just drove through Texas.
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ReignFury
12/26/17 2:11:58 PM
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Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?
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FLUFFYGERM
12/26/17 2:12:28 PM
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ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


I'm conservative and I love renewable energy including wind.
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AlternativeFAQS
12/26/17 2:14:20 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


I'm conservative and I love renewable energy including wind.

No you love that people will make money from it
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FLUFFYGERM
12/26/17 2:15:04 PM
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AlternativeFAQS posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


I'm conservative and I love renewable energy including wind.

No you love that people will make money from it


please stick to buying steelbooks
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Were_Wyrm
12/26/17 2:15:13 PM
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ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?

Only while it makes less money than fossil fuels, once that changes they'll love it.
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Giant_Aspirin
12/26/17 2:19:50 PM
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ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


no, they want whatever will make them the most money. period. anything standing in the way of their maximization of profits at any and all costs is government infringement on their liberty
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ReignFury
12/26/17 2:19:50 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


I'm conservative and I love renewable energy including wind.


Doesnt this clash with historically vested financial interests in fossil fuels?
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FLUFFYGERM
12/26/17 2:22:51 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


no, they want whatever will make them the most money. period. anything standing in the way of their maximization of profits at any and all costs is government infringement on their liberty


you used to be a reasonable poster. then you became this delusional shill type. unfortunate.

ReignFury posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


I'm conservative and I love renewable energy including wind.


Doesnt this clash with historically vested financial interests in fossil fuels?


yeah, but conservatism isn't historically vested financial interests in fossil fuels. it's arguable that the self sufficiency of renewable energy (and the ability to live for cheap off of the grid) is a core aspect of the type of freedom conservatives champion. not to mention that conservatives are big on capitalism, which is demonstrably causing the costs of renewable energy to plummet to such lows that we are on the precipice of unleashing a renewables revolution globally
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Giant_Aspirin
12/26/17 2:24:11 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
you used to be a reasonable poster. then you became this delusional shill type. unfortunate.


care to have a discussion about what i said and why you disagree? what about my quote was wrong? in its purest form, conservatism is totally against any and all government enforced regulation of business (aka things impeding their ability to maximize profit)
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sktgamer_13dude
12/26/17 2:25:08 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


no, they want whatever will make them the most money. period. anything standing in the way of their maximization of profits at any and all costs is government infringement on their liberty


you used to be a reasonable poster. then you became this delusional shill type. unfortunate.

You never used to be a reasonable poster. Youve always been a shill.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/26/17 2:25:27 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
you used to be a reasonable poster. then you became this delusional shill type. unfortunate.


care to have a discussion about what i said and why you disagree? what about my quote was wrong?


i mean if you wholeheartedly believe that the delusional caricature you posted is actually worth engaging, you're beyond reasoning with and i have no interest in pursuing a conversation with you
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Sativa_Rose
12/26/17 2:26:12 PM
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I've been saying this for a while. It helps that Texas has a power grid that is more free market oriented, as opposed to states that have a "regulated monopoly" utility that gets exclusive rights to business in certain territories. What ends up happening is that these regulated monopoly utilities tend to have a lot of older fossil fuel power plants, and they fight against new companies coming along trying to directly sell electricity from renewable energy plants. They are legally required to allow this under a law called PURPA, but only if the renewable energy provider meets certain requirements like being below a certain size in megawatts. It also means the renewable energy provider has to go through a laborious process to get approved by the monopoly utility.

On the other hand, in Texas (along with New York and some other states) it's much more open to everyone, where any company is allowed to sell electricity onto the grid directly. You still have to go through the agency that oversees the engineering and stuff to make sure it actually works, but there's no monopoly trying to shut you out.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/26/17 2:27:38 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
I've been saying this for a while. It helps that Texas has a power grid that is more free market oriented, as opposed to states that have a "regulated monopoly" utility that gets exclusive rights to business in certain territories. What ends up happening is that these regulated monopoly utilities tend to have a lot of older fossil fuel power plants, and they fight against new companies coming along trying to directly sell electricity from renewable energy plants. They are legally required to allow this under a law called PURPA, but only if the renewable energy provider meets certain requirements like being below a certain size in megawatts. It also means the renewable energy provider has to go through a laborious process to get approved by the monopoly utility.

On the other hand, in Texas (along with New York and some other states) it's much more open to everyone, where any company is allowed to sell electricity onto the grid directly. You still have to go through the agency that oversees the engineering and stuff to make sure it actually works, but there's no monopoly trying to shut you out.


B-B-B-B-BUT @Giant_Aspirin said that conservatives and free markets are bad LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Giant_Aspirin
12/26/17 2:27:59 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
you used to be a reasonable poster. then you became this delusional shill type. unfortunate.


care to have a discussion about what i said and why you disagree? what about my quote was wrong?


i mean if you wholeheartedly believe that the delusional caricature you posted is actually worth engaging, you're beyond reasoning with and i have no interest in pursuing a conversation with you


at the very core, my problem with conservatism is greed and selfishness at the expense of everyone else, which is also the core of the quote you're having a hissy fit over.
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Giant_Aspirin
12/26/17 2:29:16 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I've been saying this for a while. It helps that Texas has a power grid that is more free market oriented, as opposed to states that have a "regulated monopoly" utility that gets exclusive rights to business in certain territories. What ends up happening is that these regulated monopoly utilities tend to have a lot of older fossil fuel power plants, and they fight against new companies coming along trying to directly sell electricity from renewable energy plants. They are legally required to allow this under a law called PURPA, but only if the renewable energy provider meets certain requirements like being below a certain size in megawatts. It also means the renewable energy provider has to go through a laborious process to get approved by the monopoly utility.

On the other hand, in Texas (along with New York and some other states) it's much more open to everyone, where any company is allowed to sell electricity onto the grid directly. You still have to go through the agency that oversees the engineering and stuff to make sure it actually works, but there's no monopoly trying to shut you out.


B-B-B-B-BUT @Giant_Aspirin said that conservatives and free markets are bad LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


that's not what i said. @FLUFFYGERM.

i said that conservatives aim to maximize profits at any and all expense and they view any government regulation as an infringement on their personal freedoms
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Sativa_Rose
12/26/17 2:33:51 PM
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There is zero point in having any sort of argument about sweeping statements about what "conservatives" or "liberals" believe when there is huge variation in people who label themselves with those words.

Like, Donald Trump for example, he doesn't support a free market for energy. He actually supports special handouts and subsidies for fossil fuels, particularly coal. I would say that this makes his views on energy non-conservative, but others would probably disagree because they use the word conservative to mean whatever the Republican Party is currently doing.
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darkphoenix181
12/26/17 2:35:25 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
God bless America


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ReignFury
12/26/17 2:35:47 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


no, they want whatever will make them the most money. period. anything standing in the way of their maximization of profits at any and all costs is government infringement on their liberty


you used to be a reasonable poster. then you became this delusional shill type. unfortunate.

ReignFury posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
ReignFury posted...
Dont conservatives hate wind enegry?


I'm conservative and I love renewable energy including wind.


Doesnt this clash with historically vested financial interests in fossil fuels?


yeah, but conservatism isn't historically vested financial interests in fossil fuels. it's arguable that the self sufficiency of renewable energy (and the ability to live for cheap off of the grid) is a core aspect of the type of freedom conservatives champion. not to mention that conservatives are big on capitalism, which is demonstrably causing the costs of renewable energy to plummet to such lows that we are on the precipice of unleashing a renewables revolution globally


Thats interesting, I always presumed the core values to be marxist in nature, especially considering that free market capitalism and deregulation ultimately leads to monopoly.
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Giant_Aspirin
12/26/17 2:37:05 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
There is zero point in having any sort of argument about sweeping statements about what "conservatives" or "liberals" believe when there is huge variation in people who label themselves with those words.


the only reason i started off on "conservatives" was because i was responding to a question of "dont conservatives hate wind energy?"

no, no they don't. they hate renewable energy being forced as a way to combat something they believe doesn't exist. but the moment in which it becomes more profitable to use wind as opposed to fossil fuels, you betcha they'll be on board.
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Sativa_Rose
12/26/17 2:40:22 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
There is zero point in having any sort of argument about sweeping statements about what "conservatives" or "liberals" believe when there is huge variation in people who label themselves with those words.


the only reason i started off on "conservatives" was because i was responding to a question of "dont conservatives hate wind energy?"

no, no they don't. they hate renewable energy being forced as a way to combat something they believe doesn't exist. but the moment in which it becomes more profitable to use wind as opposed to fossil fuels, you betcha they'll be on board.


Oh okay, and yeah that's already the case in a lot of places in the US. The renewable energy industry uses this to advertise itself in red states, like they don't talk about climate change but instead focus on cost savings and increased self-sufficiency.
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