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frozenshock
12/24/17 5:22:17 PM
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JEySISp

Probably the only real piece of ancient roman armor that was recovered in relatively good condition (although the pieces had to be put back together)

Notice the swastikas
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Kasperia
12/24/17 5:25:23 PM
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Swastika is an Indian symbol that Europeans stole along with the word "Aryan".
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Fishy
12/24/17 5:28:40 PM
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Kasperia posted...
Swastika is an Indian symbol that Europeans stole along with the word "Aryan".

lol

They were found in Europe long before India. Besides it's not exactly a complex symbol.
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SpiralDrift
12/24/17 5:37:02 PM
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RebelElite791
12/24/17 5:37:04 PM
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Of course Fishy is salty about wanting the swastika to be primarily European

Of course
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Vertania
12/24/17 5:41:33 PM
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Why the hole in the middle? Wouldn't that just give the enemies an open shot at your hand/arm?
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Kasperia
12/24/17 5:42:28 PM
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Fishy posted...
Kasperia posted...
Swastika is an Indian symbol that Europeans stole along with the word "Aryan".

lol

They were found in Europe long before India. Besides it's not exactly a complex symbol.


No, Swastika originated in India and travelled to Europe much later. The word "swastika" itself is of Sanskrit origin. "Lol" don't be so dense. Nazis even carried copies of the Bhagwad Gita with them. Oppenheimer even quoted from it.

Nazis basically connected the European and Indian mythologies by finding parrallels and due to the work of many 19th century anthropologists who found similarities between the skull structure and facial features of Middle Eastern (including Indian/South Asian) and European people, they concluded that all these people belonged to one race which they named the Caucasian race or the Aryan race, and took the swastika as their symbol.
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frozenshock
12/24/17 5:42:35 PM
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Vertania posted...
Why the hole in the middle? Wouldn't that just give the enemies an open shot at your hand/arm?


No, there was a round piece of metal in the middle where the hole is but it was never recovered
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Kasperia
12/24/17 5:45:04 PM
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Due to their nationalist propaganda they believed this race originated in Germany, though this has been debunked now, as the Caucasian race most likely originated in Central Asia and ended up in Europe later.
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Kinny100
12/24/17 5:45:43 PM
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CelestialVoices
12/24/17 5:47:21 PM
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neat
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kislev
12/24/17 5:50:13 PM
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Fishy posted...
Kasperia posted...
Swastika is an Indian symbol that Europeans stole along with the word "Aryan".

lol

They were found in Europe long before India. Besides it's not exactly a complex symbol.


Also native americans had it before they had any contact with the outside world
People can come up with the same thing u know
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kislev
12/24/17 5:51:36 PM
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Kasperia posted...
Due to their nationalist propaganda they believed this race originated in Germany, though this has been debunked now, as the Caucasian race most likely originated in Central Asia and ended up in Europe later.


Gene for the blue eye orginates in the caucases area, so its the other way around
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Kasperia
12/24/17 5:54:50 PM
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kislev posted...
Fishy posted...
Kasperia posted...
Swastika is an Indian symbol that Europeans stole along with the word "Aryan".

lol

They were found in Europe long before India. Besides it's not exactly a complex symbol.


Also native americans had it before they had any contact with the outside world
People can come up with the same thing u know


Native Americans came from Siberia and other parts of North Asia, where it could have been transferred by the Greeks, who got it from Indians. Though, I have never seen a Native American swastika.
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Kasperia
12/24/17 5:56:07 PM
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kislev posted...
Kasperia posted...
Due to their nationalist propaganda they believed this race originated in Germany, though this has been debunked now, as the Caucasian race most likely originated in Central Asia and ended up in Europe later.


Gene for the blue eye orginates in the caucases area, so its the other way around


Blue eyes =/= Caucasian. Caucasian or Caucasoid is a skull structure.
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Zikten
12/24/17 6:03:36 PM
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I just hope nobody tries to sneak into the museum and destroy that shield just cause of the swastikas
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Stallion_Prime
12/24/17 6:04:31 PM
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"Fucking liberals"
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Zikten
12/24/17 6:06:58 PM
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I mean, people have done stupid shit like that before. there was a woman who owned a bookstore named after the goddess Isis, and people rioted and broke her windows cause they thought it was a reference to the terrorists
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ehhwhatever
12/24/17 6:11:46 PM
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I thought roman shields had scorpio on it.
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frozenshock
12/24/17 6:23:56 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
is there a picture of the other side?


Haven't found it, but I guess you can kind of see a bit of the other side through the hole here:

KzvpasE
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ChainedRedone
12/24/17 6:25:39 PM
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Vertania posted...
Why the hole in the middle? Wouldn't that just give the enemies an open shot at your hand/arm?


There would be a boss in its place. Boss is a protective piece of metal usually put in the center of the shield directly in front of your grip on the shield.
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DirkDiggles
12/24/17 6:27:15 PM
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Isn't the swastika also found in feudal Japan symbols as well?
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Zikten
12/24/17 6:28:00 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Isn't the swastika also found in feudal Japan symbols as well?

a version of it is used in modern Japanese maps of towns, to mark where buddhist temples are

also the symbol was on a pokemon card once, and people went insane
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frozenshock
12/24/17 6:29:56 PM
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Zikten posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
Isn't the swastika also found in feudal Japan symbols as well?

a version of it is used in modern Japanese maps of towns, to mark where buddhist temples are

also the symbol was on a pokemon card once, and people went insane


Yep. Look at this map of Shibamata:

Aj20c9i

The Swastika on the top is where the buddhist temple is
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chill02
12/24/17 6:29:56 PM
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CelestialVoices posted...
neat

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ChainedRedone
12/24/17 6:30:29 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
^interesting...

i'm just wondering whether that bar in the middle where the round piece is missing is where they gripped it, or whether there is a grip and/or straps in a different place. seems like it would be kinda awkward if that visible bar was the main grip, but then again i don't really know much about how that particular kind of shield was used.


Yes that's where they gripped it. Contrary to what you'd probably think, it was an overhand grip. Not underhand.
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Eve-L
12/24/17 6:32:00 PM
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frozenshock posted...
(although the pieces had to be put back together)

That must have been pretty amazing reconstructing something like that.
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Kasperia
12/24/17 6:36:15 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Zikten posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
Isn't the swastika also found in feudal Japan symbols as well?

a version of it is used in modern Japanese maps of towns, to mark where buddhist temples are

also the symbol was on a pokemon card once, and people went insane


Yep. Look at this map of Shibamata:

Aj20c9i

The Swastika on the top is where the buddhist temple is


Very few Buddhists in Japan but yes it was transferred from India. It can also be found in Tibet and Mongolia.
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Fishy
12/24/17 6:56:24 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Of course Fishy is salty about wanting the swastika to be primarily European

Of course

I'm sorry who are you?
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ChromaticAngel
12/24/17 7:00:52 PM
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Kasperia posted...
Swastika is an Indian symbol that Europeans stole along with the word "Aryan".


The swastika used by the Nazis was derived from the Nordic / viking written language and was created just for the nazi party.

The Indian swastika looks different, comes in several varieties, and has a different orientation the nazi one.
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Bandit_Keith
12/24/17 7:06:07 PM
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Fishy posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Of course Fishy is salty about wanting the swastika to be primarily European

Of course

I'm sorry who are you?

His name is right there. If you're tryng to insult Rebel, you'd need to do better than that. Especially since he is far more well known than you are, here. For better or for worse.
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Funbazooka
12/24/17 7:06:38 PM
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Kasperia posted...
Due to their nationalist propaganda they believed this race originated in Germany, though this has been debunked now, as the Caucasian race most likely originated in Central Asia and ended up in Europe later.


Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/

Doesn't disprove your theory but it seems unlikely.
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Fishy
12/24/17 7:08:04 PM
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Bandit_Keith posted...

His name is right there. If you're tryng to insult Rebel, you'd need to do better than that. Especially since he is far more well known than you are, here. For better or for worse.

oh shit I didn't know I was talking to an internet bit shot sorry fella
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Kasperia
12/24/17 7:09:13 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Kasperia posted...
Swastika is an Indian symbol that Europeans stole along with the word "Aryan".


The swastika used by the Nazis was derived from the Nordic / viking written language and was created just for the nazi party.

The Indian swastika looks different, comes in several varieties, and has a different orientation the nazi one.


It is all derived from the Indian version. Tilting it or inverting it doesn't make any difference. The word "swastika" itself is of Sanskrit origin, formed by "swastha" (health) and "tika"(symbol), literally meaning "symbol of health". There seems to be too many neo-nazis here, who like to use these things.
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Fishy
12/24/17 7:09:50 PM
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by the way the first swastika was found in Ukraine

http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/symbol-swastika-and-its-12000-year-old-history-001312

but I'm sure it was from indian settlers
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Bandit_Keith
12/24/17 7:11:00 PM
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Fishy posted...
oh shit I didn't know I was talking to an internet bit shot sorry fella

Responses like that just make you look even sadder. Considering how you started off.
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Kasperia
12/24/17 7:11:17 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
Kasperia posted...
Due to their nationalist propaganda they believed this race originated in Germany, though this has been debunked now, as the Caucasian race most likely originated in Central Asia and ended up in Europe later.


Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/

Doesn't disprove your theory but it seems unlikely.


Haha no
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Fishy
12/24/17 7:12:53 PM
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Bandit_Keith posted...
Responses like that just make you look even sadder. Considering how you started off.

I think you misunderstand. I wasn't asking who he was as a self-important sort of "who are you compared to me" but as someone who keeps stalking me in topics.
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Kasperia
12/24/17 7:14:25 PM
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Fishy posted...
by the way the first swastika was found in Ukraine

http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/symbol-swastika-and-its-12000-year-old-history-001312

but I'm sure it was from indian settlers


Oh, I have seen neo-nazis posting this exact same link to prove how swastika is an European symbol. Any random carving on the wall or object doesn't make it a Swastika. Even a caveman could have drawn. The word "swastika" itself is of Sanskrit origin. Stop claiming other people's culture.
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Fishy
12/24/17 7:15:28 PM
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Kasperia posted...
Oh, I have seen neo-nazis posting this exact same link to prove how swastika is an European symbol. Any random carving on the wall or object doesn't make it a Swastika. Even a caveman could have drawn. The word "swastika" itself is of Sanskrit origin. Stop claiming other people's culture.

right archaelogists don't know shit thank you Kasperia where would knowledge be without you
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Bandit_Keith
12/24/17 7:15:51 PM
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Fishy posted...
I think you misunderstand. I wasn't asking who he was as a self-important sort of "who are you compared to me" but as someone who keeps stalking me in topics.

You first response to me didn't clear that up at all. My apologies. I was mistaken. Carry on.
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kislev
12/24/17 7:16:04 PM
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Kasperia posted...
Fishy posted...
by the way the first swastika was found in Ukraine

http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/symbol-swastika-and-its-12000-year-old-history-001312

but I'm sure it was from indian settlers


Oh, I have seen neo-nazis posting this exact same link to prove how swastika is an European symbol. Any random carving on the wall or object doesn't make it a Swastika. Even a caveman could have drawn. The word "swastika" itself is of Sanskrit origin. Stop claiming other people's culture.


European culture is much older then Indian, noeth india was invaded by Europeans so guys were influenced by us too
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Funbazooka
12/24/17 7:38:07 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

According to Mukti Jain, the symbol is part of "an intricate meander pattern of joined up swastikas" found on a late paleolithic figurine of a bird, carved from mammoth ivory, found in Mezine, Ukraine and dated to 15,000 years old. These engraved objects were found near phallic objects, which states Jain may support the idea that the meandering pattern of swastika was a fertility symbol.[47] However it has also been suggested that this swastika may be a stylized picture of a stork in flight and not the true swastika that is in use today.[48]

In England, neolithic or Bronze Age stone carvings of the symbol have been found on Ilkley Moor.

Mirror-image swastikas (clockwise and anti-clockwise) have been found on ceramic pottery in the Devetashka cave, Bulgaria, dated to 6,000 BCE.[49]

Some of the earliest archaeological evidence of the swastika in the Indian subcontinent can be dated to 3,000 BCE
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Kasperia
12/24/17 7:42:07 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

According to Mukti Jain, the symbol is part of "an intricate meander pattern of joined up swastikas" found on a late paleolithic figurine of a bird, carved from mammoth ivory, found in Mezine, Ukraine and dated to 15,000 years old. These engraved objects were found near phallic objects, which states Jain may support the idea that the meandering pattern of swastika was a fertility symbol.[47] However it has also been suggested that this swastika may be a stylized picture of a stork in flight and not the true swastika that is in use today.[48]

In England, neolithic or Bronze Age stone carvings of the symbol have been found on Ilkley Moor.

Mirror-image swastikas (clockwise and anti-clockwise) have been found on ceramic pottery in the Devetashka cave, Bulgaria, dated to 6,000 BCE.[49]

Some of the earliest archaeological evidence of the swastika in the Indian subcontinent can be dated to 3,000 BCE


Lol citing Wikipedia, which anyone can edit and they seriously consider these as "swastikas".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Swastika1_crop.jpg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ShaveyZion1.jpg

These are not swastikas. They are just random designs/carvings. It's meaning and foundation was laid down in India and there are swastikas found in Dwarka, which is an underwater city (Atlantis of India) that has been dated back even further than 12000 BC.
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Funbazooka
12/24/17 7:43:23 PM
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I think you've got some bizarre hangup about this.
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weapon_d00d816
12/24/17 7:43:49 PM
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Kasperia posted...
kislev posted...
Fishy posted...
Kasperia posted...
Swastika is an Indian symbol that Europeans stole along with the word "Aryan".

lol

They were found in Europe long before India. Besides it's not exactly a complex symbol.


Also native americans had it before they had any contact with the outside world
People can come up with the same thing u know


Native Americans came from Siberia and other parts of North Asia, where it could have been transferred by the Greeks, who got it from Indians. Though, I have never seen a Native American swastika.

They came from Siberia like 15,000-30,000 years ago...
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Fishy
12/24/17 7:44:21 PM
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Kasperia is a world renowned anthropologist
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r4X0r
12/24/17 7:44:45 PM
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So that Roman shield, cool huh?
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