Poll of the Day > Justice League is officially a MASSIVE FLOP as it WON'T reach 700M!!!

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Justice League's current box office domestic total is 219 Million....Star Wars: The Last Jedi just MADE 220 Million in it's FIRST WEEKEND!!

The 300M over budgeted movie is even disappointing offshore as it's only made 414 million and all of its major territories have already opened, including China...

The movie needed to make 700M just to break even and now it doesn't look like it'll even reach that..

5 Super Heroes didn't do better than the individual films that these movies made..

Warner Brothers has already shifted dates on their DC movies and it appears Zack Snyder is indeed on his way out

Did you enjoy Zack Snyder's movies? let's see if people did

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I did not see any of the dc movies in theaters, watched them all on Redbox

Justice League is not a Zack Snyder film, it is a Joss Whedon film.
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I liked Batman Vs. Superman more than The Avengers 2 or any Marvel movie that came after that.

Now the superman movie, that was a snoozefest.

I also thought the original Daredevil movie was pretty good. Seriously, it's not even that different from the show everyone loved.
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What's with so many movies with massively bloated budgets, anyway? Making back $700 million seemed almost doomed for failure from the get go.
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DC needs to give up on a massive combined universe and just do standalone hero movies with mid-level budgets.

Yellow posted...

I liked Batman Vs. Superman more than The Avengers 2 or any Marvel movie that came after that.

Now the superman movie, that was a snoozefest.

I also thought the original Daredevil movie was pretty good. Seriously, it's not even that different from the show everyone loved.

This man has such terrible opinions I don't even know where to start.
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Zack Snyder sucks, hopefully he never gets work in films again after this.

DC also is paying for their hastiness. Marvel built up its cinematic universe gradually, with individual superheroes' movies before doing the big ensemble picture. DC wanted to skip past that and get to the gravy train. Need to get people to care about the stars first before touting that they're all together in one film. Of course, w/ Snyder at the helm, no one's going to care about them anyway.

twa556 posted...

This man has such terrible opinions I don't even know where to start.

I almost stopped watching Man of Steel. I guess they didn't know that Clark is allowed to show more emotions than just "dead inside". You take away Superman's positivity and he's pretty shit.

But that Batman fight was awesome. Not as good as the movie it was based off of, but still pretty cool. Seeing Batman murder people left and right like that was pretty crazy. Much better than seeing the same Marvel movie over and over.

And yes, you could have cut literally all of the dialog from the first half of the movie.
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I like that not only did thor ragnarok go toe to toe with justice league and win. But also had a seriously much smaller production budget of only $180 mil. After the first two thor movies, I never thought i see this happening ever. I am just sad that DC and marvel couldn't have been more competitive. Hopefully whoever did wonder woman gets control of the franchise now, this that is DC's best movie currently. I never saw it in theaters but i do want to see it now.
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Nightengale posted...

Justice League is not a Zack Snyder film, it is a Joss Whedon film.

This so hard.

Yellow posted...

Now the superman movie, that was a snoozefest.

I thought MoS was alright, but not anything incredible.

Yellow posted...

I also thought the original Daredevil movie was pretty good. Seriously, it's not even that different from the show everyone loved.

While I enjoyed the Daredevil movie, it was both a kinda shitty film and nowhere like the show. Movie Daredevil just went around throwing people in front of trains, whereas the tv version (just like the comics one) didn't kill

streamofthesky posted...

Zack Snyder sucks, hopefully he never gets work in films again after this.

Except for the fact it's Joss Whedon's fault and I *hope* Joss is never able to work on another superhero anything after this, although I know that won't be the case. As for Snyder, he's done absolutely incredible work between the Dawn of the Dead remake, 300, and Watchmen.

streamofthesky posted...

DC also is paying for their hastiness. Marvel built up its cinematic universe gradually, with individual superheroes' movies before doing the big ensemble picture. DC wanted to skip past that and get to the gravy train. Need to get people to care about the stars first before touting that they're all together in one film. Of course, w/ Snyder at the helm, no one's going to care about them anyway.

Except you don't fucking need to do that. Marvel's heroes were built up because nobody knew who the fuck half of them were. While Iron Man is a major name in geekdom, he's a virtual unknown to the general population and even Stan Lee calls Iron Man "b-list" (in terms of drawing power) in an interview. Black Widow and Hawkeye? Unknowns who didn't even get their own films. Thor wasn't well-known outside of Norse legend. The *only* two big names were Captain America and Hulk.

Compare that to the JL. Batman and Superman are two of the best-known superheroes of all-time, both having multiple movie franchises and multiple tv shows. Wonder Woman is in the upper echelons of recognizable superheroes. Flash has a hit tv show and had a show before that. Not to mention that the Justice League cartoon was itself popular and lasted something like 4 or 5 years.

And keep in mind that *most* of the Avengers never even had a movie prior to the MCU (iirc Hulk was the only real exception and neither version wound up being MCU so yeah, gj there). In start contrast, Batman literally just had a box-office-setting, award-winning trilogy (and seriously, when's the last time *any* superhero movie got an Oscar for anything?).

That said, DC *did* try to build first when it should have *led* with something like Justice League. Man of Steel gave us an origin story for Superman then BvS gave us an intro to Batman and you had his appearance in Suicide Squad as well. And, of course, Wonder Woman had her own movie.

yutterh posted...

Hopefully whoever did wonder woman gets control of the franchise now, this that is DC's best movie currently. I never saw it in theaters but i do want to see it now.

I'm a little disturbed that you refer to something you haven't seen as their best movie.
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They need to stop making superhero movies. Everything since Dark Knight has sucked, with the exception of Logan.
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Oh, I also just looked up Autumn Snyder -- Zach's 20 y/o daughter who killed herself and whose death led him to step back from the project -- and she was a total babe.

http://marycumminsrealestatemarycummins.blogspot.com/2017/05/autumn-snyder-obituary-funeral-burial.html

Also sounds like a kinda neat person.

http://heavy.com/entertainment/2017/05/zack-snyder-daughter-autumn-suicide-death-justice-league-dc-comics/

VideoboysaysCube posted...

They need to stop making superhero movies. Everything since Dark Knight has sucked, with the exception of Logan.

Why would they stop if they'e making money? Plus there have been a few pretty decent films.
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VideoboysaysCube posted...

They need to stop making superhero movies. Everything since Dark Knight has sucked, with the exception of Logan.

No. They keep getting better tbh. A few "meh" ones here and there but quite a good good to great ones too. I hope you aren't saying Dark Knight was good either because it was horrible.
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If you would have told people this 10 years ago about a Justice League film, you'd be laughed off the face of the earth.
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Does everybody forget about Watchmen for some reason? Because that movie was amazing!
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Zangulus posted...

Nightengale posted...

Justice League is not a Zack Snyder film, it is a Joss Whedon film.

Usually its fuckbear giving obviously wrong information...

Oh, it's quite true. Very little of Snyder's cut was in the final film (about two scenes if I remember). Not to mention there was something like 47 minutes cut out entirely and it shows.

But like all you ever do is be contrary so why am I telling you this.
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I enjoyed Watchmen enough, but that's it. I prefer Suicide Squad to anything he's done...
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

I enjoyed Watchmen enough, but that's it. I prefer Suicide Squad to anything he's done...

You like Suicide Squad more than Watchmen? Your kidding right?
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yutterh posted...

I am just sad that DC and marvel couldn't have been more competitive.

It's hardly surprising considering how DC is freakin' garbage.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

yutterh posted...

I am just sad that DC and marvel couldn't have been more competitive.

It's hardly surprising considering how DC is freakin' garbage.

A lot of DC's most famous characters are essentially One Punch Man done unironically, which kind of makes them boring.

The power fluctuations are massive depending on who the stronger characters are fighting which means enjoyment requires you heavily shelf your suspension of disbelief.

It's not like Marvel is innocent of this but DC is worse.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's hardly surprising considering how DC is freakin' garbage.

DC does absolutely amazing in the cartoon department though. That's where Marvel is slacking and have been for a long time.
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injustice 2 is dope as fuck
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RoboXgp89 posted...

injustice 2 is dope as fuck

Thankfully. I liked it too. Im excited Raphael will be in it soon. He is cool but rude.
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Nightengale posted...

Zangulus posted...

Nightengale posted...

Justice League is not a Zack Snyder film, it is a Joss Whedon film.

Usually its fuckbear giving obviously wrong information...

Oh, it's quite true. Very little of Snyder's cut was in the final film (about two scenes if I remember). Not to mention there was something like 47 minutes cut out entirely and it shows.

Do you have a source for this info?

The articles I read said that filming was basically complete when Snyder had to leave and that Whedon was mostly just finishing the editing process for him as a favor to a friend in need.
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Superman was kind of useless in the movie. The big bad was already getting his ass kicked without him.
I've always found all super man movies to be a bit crap. Superman doesn't give much to work with. He has only a single weakness.
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xOmniCloudx posted...

If you would have told people this 10 years ago about a Justice League film, you'd be laughed off the face of the earth.

Or that it made less than a Deadpool movie...
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Duck-I-Says posted...

DC needs to give up on a massive combined universe and just do standalone hero movies with mid-level budgets.

They're technically not even doing a "massive combined universe." Instead they're doing a single series of movies that has a dozen interchangeable main characters, with occasional spinoffs that focus on an individual.
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Zeus posted...

yutterh posted...

Hopefully whoever did wonder woman gets control of the franchise now, this that is DC's best movie currently. I never saw it in theaters but i do want to see it now.

I'm a little disturbed that you refer to something you haven't seen as their best movie.

Financially speaking of course lol It made them the most money and people oviously enjoyed it. I could hate the movie and i would still say the same thing.
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solid_kush posted...

Does everybody forget about Watchmen for some reason? Because that movie was amazing!

You know what? I agree. Of the superhero movies Snyder has done, that one is unquestionably the best (IMO; 300 fans might feel a bit differently), as well as the most difficult to adapt. I don't think he gets enough credit for what he achieved there.
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I_Abibde posted...

solid_kush posted...

Does everybody forget about Watchmen for some reason? Because that movie was amazing!

You know what? I agree. Of the superhero movies Snyder has done, that one is unquestionably the best (IMO; 300 fans might feel a bit differently), as well as the most difficult to adapt. I don't think he gets enough credit for what he achieved there.

Past success does not earn future laurels. Michael bay made some amazing movies too. Now all his movies are shit.
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I liked the Batman Trilogy. But generally speaking I'm not a fan of DC. Justice League just didn't look good. Ragnarok on the other hand was amazing. Sorry to DC, but maybe you should try getting some tips from marvel.

Mead posted...

Nightengale posted...

Zangulus posted...

Nightengale posted...

Justice League is not a Zack Snyder film, it is a Joss Whedon film.

Usually its fuckbear giving obviously wrong information...

Oh, it's quite true. Very little of Snyder's cut was in the final film (about two scenes if I remember). Not to mention there was something like 47 minutes cut out entirely and it shows.

Do you have a source for this info?

The articles I read said that filming was basically complete when Snyder had to leave and that Whedon was mostly just finishing the editing process for him as a favor to a friend in need.

Is that why Whedon re-shot and changed so much?

BlackScythe0 posted...

I liked the Batman Trilogy.

I liked one third of the Baleman Trilogy, was okay with another third, and kinda disliked the final third.
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Yellow posted...

I liked Batman Vs. Superman more than The Avengers 2 or any Marvel movie that came after that.

Now the superman movie, that was a snoozefest.

I also thought the original Daredevil movie was pretty good. Seriously, it's not even that different from the show everyone loved.

Not sure if trolling or completely devoid of taste...?
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SinisterSlay posted...

Superman was kind of useless in the movie. The big bad was already getting his ass kicked without him.
I've always found all super man movies to be a bit crap. Superman doesn't give much to work with. He has only a single weakness.

technically true but not quite. hes vulnerable to magic as much as say batman is. and someone on his level of physical strength can knock him around and hurt him. I mean until they brought him back to life it was canon story that doomsday literally punched him to death. and doomsday had already fought and defeated several other super heroes before that.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Superman was kind of useless in the movie. The big bad was already getting his ass kicked without him.
I've always found all super man movies to be a bit crap. Superman doesn't give much to work with. He has only a single weakness.

technically true but not quite. hes vulnerable to magic as much as say batman is. and someone on his level of physical strength can knock him around and hurt him. I mean until they brought him back to life it was canon story that doomsday literally punched him to death. and doomsday had already fought and defeated several other super heroes before that.

Plus red sunlight (or just not having access to yellow sunlight). And he's vulnerable to mind control. Plus he can be hurt by sound-based attacks. And, depending on the version, he needs to breathe air.

Honestly, given Superman's powers, he has a lot to work with when done properly. Most of the films just throw kryptonite in his face or try to push a superhuman slugfest. Lex Luthor's antagonism in BvS (still need to see the whole thing) was actually pretty neat.
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Zeus posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Superman was kind of useless in the movie. The big bad was already getting his ass kicked without him.
I've always found all super man movies to be a bit crap. Superman doesn't give much to work with. He has only a single weakness.

technically true but not quite. hes vulnerable to magic as much as say batman is. and someone on his level of physical strength can knock him around and hurt him. I mean until they brought him back to life it was canon story that doomsday literally punched him to death. and doomsday had already fought and defeated several other super heroes before that.

Plus red sunlight (or just not having access to yellow sunlight). And he's vulnerable to mind control. Plus he can be hurt by sound-based attacks. And, depending on the version, he needs to breathe air.

Honestly, given Superman's powers, he has a lot to work with when done properly. Most of the films just throw kryptonite in his face or try to push a superhuman slugfest. Lex Luthor's antagonism in BvS (still need to see the whole thing) was actually pretty neat.

I actually hate how much they use kyrptonite over red sunlight. you'd think it would be easier to replicate red solar energy through tech than it would be to find a chunk of his blown up home planet on earth. and i'm not getting into the realism of science here, just saying they've made red solar energy tech before in the comics so with that said you'd think it would be easier to base anti superman weaponry on that than hunting for a "rare" chunk of rock
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yutterh posted...

I like that not only did thor ragnarok go toe to toe with justice league and win. But also had a seriously much smaller production budget of only $180 mil. After the first two thor movies, I never thought i see this happening ever. I am just sad that DC and marvel couldn't have been more competitive. Hopefully whoever did wonder woman gets control of the franchise now, this that is DC's best movie currently. I never saw it in theaters but i do want to see it now.

Wonder Woman is not a very high bar.
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Snyder's take on DC has been terrible, and this is from someone who's not even a big DC fan. Joss Whedon's (obvious) sections weren't even that great over all but they seemed like they were because of how they contrasted with Snyder's awful quality. For once the characters smiled and seemed sorta like people.
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