Poll of the Day > If SJWs got to replace due process with "listen and believe"...

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https://twitter.com/bishopTKreal/status/942387185772302338

tl;dr version

Dude accused of rape
Woman says she doesn't even enjoy sex
Dudes locked up on bail for two years with potentially 10+ more
It's revealed that officer was withholding ~40,000 texts
Texts reveal woman's rape/violence fantasies... and that SHE was the one trying to initiate casual sex many times over.

What do you all make of this? I'm hunting around for follow up stories to see what happened to whoever withheld such game changing evidence.
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inb4only10%ofrapeaccusationsarefalse
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yeah it happened in croydon. Sucks. Sheer incompetence almost led to his imprisonment.
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there is also this story

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/man-receives-sex-act-while-blacked-out-gets-accused-of-sexual-assault/article/2565978

girl rapes guy then claims he raped her, and he is expelled from college. later there is proof that she was the actual rapist and college refuses to reverse expulsion

In some countries predominantly of a certain progressive religion, raped women would be stoned to death. Veery empowering!
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Zangulus posted...

He did not spend 2 years in jail, nor was he locked up. Bail means hes allowed to leave, but hes on restriction on where he can go and what he can do.

It looks like the detectives decided that sexually explicit texts were considered personal and deemed them unworthy of being released.

you also have to pay money for bail. sometimes its set at an amount people can't pay. step father had to spend the night in jail before over a missing a court date for a speeding ticket. they misread the bail amount to be higher than it actually was and my mom couldn't come up with that kinda money. boy was he pissed when he found out the bail amount had been misread.
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This is what happens when we treat all women as equal.

Even men get judged by their paychecks still. Women get an excuse for everything and this is what happens from it.

No way would a story like this exist even 20 years ago!
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Don't call these people "feminists". They aren't feminists. They're SJWs.

Referring to the tweet, not the post.
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how about we work on both sides of the fence, instead of pointing fingers and using stupid internet buzzword phrases. cool? cool
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I want to continue seeing SJWs pushing the envelope until it goes so far that literally everyone else becomes militantly opposed to them and they just get hauled off the streets.
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I still don't understand why rape accusations are taken so seriously without evidence when you wouldn't do the same for a murder. Rape is wrong of course, but so is arresting and trying someone for a crime based on an accusation alone. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

RomanGhost posted...

Don't call these people "feminists". They aren't feminists. They're SJWs.

Referring to the tweet, not the post.

SJWs have basically hijacked the word "feminism" for themselves at this point, and original feminists won't change their name because they used the name first and think it should be theirs.

So now when people mention "feminism" it just confuses people as to which group they are referring to and people get angry because no one is sure which group is being ridiculed.
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DarkKirby2500 posted...

I still don't understand why rape accusations are taken so seriously without evidence when you wouldn't do the same for a murder. Rape is wrong of course, but so is arresting and trying someone for a crime based on an accusation alone.

RomanGhost posted...

Don't call these people "feminists". They aren't feminists. They're SJWs.

Referring to the tweet, not the post.

SJWs have basically hijacked the word "feminism" for themselves at this point, and original feminists won't change their name because they used the name first and think it should be theirs.

So now when people mention "feminism" it just confuses people as to which group they are referring to and people get angry because no one is sure which group is being ridiculed.

I call the bad ones feminazi's. the ones that give the regular ones a bad rep. though I often have to explain that to someone as one of the normal sane ones tend to get offended when I say it.
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DarkKirby2500 posted...

I still don't understand why rape accusations are taken so seriously without evidence when you wouldn't do the same for a murder.

If a zombie told me who murdered them, I'd believe them.
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Golden Road posted...

DarkKirby2500 posted...

I still don't understand why rape accusations are taken so seriously without evidence when you wouldn't do the same for a murder.

If a zombie told me who murdered them, I'd believe them.

Then you would be very gullible indeed as zombies do not exist!
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bulbinking posted...

Golden Road posted...

DarkKirby2500 posted...

I still don't understand why rape accusations are taken so seriously without evidence when you wouldn't do the same for a murder.

If a zombie told me who murdered them, I'd believe them.

Then you would be very gullible indeed as zombies do not exist!

idk why but this made me think of a scenario I came up with and wondered if its actually ever happened. someone commits suicide but goes out of their way to frame someone else for murdering them.
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Not everything is held to legal standards. Your reputation matters. Which is something women have always known, but I guess men think they were above having to keep to standards.

wah_wah_wah posted...

Not everything is held to legal standards. Your reputation matters. Which is something women have always known, but I guess men think they were above having to keep to standards.

reputation matters a lot less when you are a nobody. not saying it won't hurt you. just not nearly as much and might completely blow over and everyone practically forgets. i've known several people with shitty reputations deserved or not who moved on to fairly decent lives. some of which had in fact been falsely accused of rape or sexual harassment. one though did end up moving to an area where no one knew him and just started over. but that was a personal choice over the fact he didn't want to live near any of those people anymore.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Not everything is held to legal standards. Your reputation matters. Which is something women have always known, but I guess men think they were above having to keep to standards.

reputation matters a lot less when you are a nobody. not saying it won't hurt you. just not nearly as much and might completely blow over and everyone practically forgets. i've known several people with shitty reputations deserved or not who moved on to fairly decent lives. some of which had in fact been falsely accused of rape or sexual harassment. one though did end up moving to an area where no one knew him and just started over. but that was a personal choice over the fact he didn't want to live near any of those people anymore.

I'm just saying, the idea that just because you're not charged with a crime, that means we have to think you're innocent, is pretty stupid. The legal system is not a perfect decider of what really happened. What constitutes reasonable doubt varies between people, particularly a jury that has to decide whether a person goes to jail for a long time and an everyday individual making the decision not to be involved with a person professionally.

I realize people do get falsely accused of horrible things all the time, and that I may be in danger too. But I'm not too threatened by it because I have a generally good reputation built upon my actions. I have never propositioned someone at the workplace. I've never grabbed a pussy. In short I'm not an idiot.

DarkKirby2500 posted...

I still don't understand why rape accusations are taken so seriously without evidence when you wouldn't do the same for a murder. Rape is wrong of course, but so is arresting and trying someone for a crime based on an accusation alone. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

Probably because most people either didn't read The Crucible growing up or didn't take anything away from it.

wah_wah_wah posted...

Not everything is held to legal standards. Your reputation matters. Which is something women have always known, but I guess men think they were above having to keep to standards.

Which is why they never created laws regarding slander and libel... oh wait. And why they never shot each other over manners of honor... oh wait.

But yes, bullshit accusations frequently ruin men's lives and it's a shame that they're not more often taken seriously enough to put the woman in jail, especially given how often women will lie about something to exploit the system in attempt to get back at an ex-boyfriend, husband, etc, from less serious restraining orders to give them a chance to move everything in an apartment/house to rape charges that could put men away for decades.

mooreandrew58 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Not everything is held to legal standards. Your reputation matters. Which is something women have always known, but I guess men think they were above having to keep to standards.

reputation matters a lot less when you are a nobody. not saying it won't hurt you. just not nearly as much and might completely blow over and everyone practically forgets. i've known several people with shitty reputations deserved or not who moved on to fairly decent lives. some of which had in fact been falsely accused of rape or sexual harassment. one though did end up moving to an area where no one knew him and just started over. but that was a personal choice over the fact he didn't want to live near any of those people anymore.

Considering that an accusation can cost your job, destroy your relationships, etc, often with very little recourse, I'm not sure that's true. If you have any sort of a professional career, your new potential employers are going to talk to the old ones and that same vicious lie will get back to them.
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wah_wah_wah posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

Not everything is held to legal standards. Your reputation matters. Which is something women have always known, but I guess men think they were above having to keep to standards.

reputation matters a lot less when you are a nobody. not saying it won't hurt you. just not nearly as much and might completely blow over and everyone practically forgets. i've known several people with shitty reputations deserved or not who moved on to fairly decent lives. some of which had in fact been falsely accused of rape or sexual harassment. one though did end up moving to an area where no one knew him and just started over. but that was a personal choice over the fact he didn't want to live near any of those people anymore.

I'm just saying, the idea that just because you're not charged with a crime, that means we have to think you're innocent, is pretty stupid. The legal system is not a perfect decider of what really happened. What constitutes reasonable doubt varies between people, particularly a jury that has to decide whether a person goes to jail for a long time and an everyday individual making the decision not to be involved with a person professionally.

I realize people do get falsely accused of horrible things all the time, and that I may be in danger too. But I'm not too threatened by it because I have a generally good reputation built upon my actions. I have never propositioned someone at the workplace. I've never grabbed a pussy. In short I'm not an idiot.

all it takes is someone to lie. and enough people to believe them. best friend had to battle accusations of being a woman abuser for years despite his gf could never produce a bruise or anything to back up her claims. and the worst part was they didn't even live together so if it was the case why didn't she kick him to the curb. its not like he payed her bills or anything. dumbest thing he did was not dump her immediately when she started that shit.
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bulbinking posted...

Golden Road posted...

DarkKirby2500 posted...

I still don't understand why rape accusations are taken so seriously without evidence when you wouldn't do the same for a murder.

If a zombie told me who murdered them, I'd believe them.

Then you would be very gullible indeed as zombies do not exist!

If zombies don't exist, then it's kind of stupid to compare believing rape victims with believing murder victims.
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Golden Road posted...

bulbinking posted...

Golden Road posted...

DarkKirby2500 posted...

I still don't understand why rape accusations are taken so seriously without evidence when you wouldn't do the same for a murder.

If a zombie told me who murdered them, I'd believe them.

Then you would be very gullible indeed as zombies do not exist!

If zombies don't exist, then it's kind of stupid to compare believing rape victims with believing murder victims.

he never said believing murder victims. its not hard to understand. when people get murdered other people sometimes start pointing fingers at who they think did it. and we don't believe them until evidence supports what they say even in cases where they where allegedly a witness
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mooreandrew58 posted...

he never said believing murder victims. its not hard to understand. when people get murdered other people sometimes start pointing fingers at who they think did it. and we don't believe them until evidence supports what they say even in cases where they where allegedly a witness

That's not quite happening with rape, though. It's not second-hand witnesses bringing rape allegations to light, but the rape victims themselves. It's comparing apples and oranges.
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Golden Road posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

he never said believing murder victims. its not hard to understand. when people get murdered other people sometimes start pointing fingers at who they think did it. and we don't believe them until evidence supports what they say even in cases where they where allegedly a witness

That's not quite happening with rape, though. It's not second-hand witnesses bringing rape allegations to light, but the rape victims themselves. It's comparing apples and oranges.

point is believing someone without evidence. not saying it happens a lot. but people can lie, and if you start just taking someone's word for it that just gives a open invitation for those who would lie.

I remember seeing this case where a cop was accused and arrested for sexual harassment assault etc. he was guilty of at least one case of it, but the police actually went around and started asking every woman he had dealt with recently if he had done anything to them. and surprise surprise some jumped all over that. several of them got thrown out of court as their was zero proof and some I believe even got completely disproved
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mooreandrew58 posted...

all it takes is someone to lie. and enough people to believe them. best friend had to battle accusations of being a woman abuser for years despite his gf could never produce a bruise or anything to back up her claims. and the worst part was they didn't even live together so if it was the case why didn't she kick him to the curb. its not like he payed her bills or anything. dumbest thing he did was not dump her immediately when she started that s***.

Is that worse than a woman who has to deal with an abusive guy because nobody will believe her story? That can very well get her killed.

wah_wah_wah posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

all it takes is someone to lie. and enough people to believe them. best friend had to battle accusations of being a woman abuser for years despite his gf could never produce a bruise or anything to back up her claims. and the worst part was they didn't even live together so if it was the case why didn't she kick him to the curb. its not like he payed her bills or anything. dumbest thing he did was not dump her immediately when she started that s***.

Is that worse than a woman who has to deal with an abusive guy because nobody will believe her story? That can very well get her killed.

i'm very against throwing innocent people under the bus just because someone said something. I will always want evidence. there is no perfect solution unfortunately. but i've seen what false accusations can do to people. hell i've even seen a case of someone going off the deep end with the warped logic of "if i'm going to wear the name I might as well play the game" and start doing what they had been accused of. logic being that if they were going to go down for it, might as well be guilty. that particular case though wasn't anything of a sexual nature though, but still criminal
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mooreandrew58 posted...

hell i've even seen a case of someone going off the deep end with the warped logic of "if i'm going to wear the name I might as well play the game" and start doing what they had been accused of.

Yeah sure they just "started" to do it lol. Nobody who is rational in the first place thinks like that.

wah_wah_wah posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

hell i've even seen a case of someone going off the deep end with the warped logic of "if i'm going to wear the name I might as well play the game" and start doing what they had been accused of.

Yeah sure they just "started" to do it lol. Nobody who is rational in the first place thinks like that.

yeah ok. if you want to believe some people can't be drove to do things they normally wouldn't under stressful situations. sure.

I mean people have committed suicide over false accusations and that is a fact.
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They weren't well in the first place. I mean I've been accused of several things that were not true, some horrible things, and my reputation outlived my accusers. That's a fact of life. I think in the past it was always the woman that had to jump through hoops and do everything possible to prove she was not an evil bitch trying to take down the man. Those days are thankfully over. It doesn't make much if any sense for a woman to lie about being raped because it puts her in danger.

Most rapes accusations arent false. It is so sad that its so hard to tell the difference especially when proving it happened is so invasive and painful
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mooreandrew58 posted...

yeah ok. if you want to believe some people can't be drove to do things they normally wouldn't under stressful situations. sure.

I mean people have committed suicide over false accusations and that is a fact.

There's a huge, huge difference between being driven to suicide over stress, and being driven to rape people over stress.
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wah_wah_wah posted...

They weren't well in the first place. I mean I've been accused of several things that were not true, some horrible things, and my reputation outlived my accusers. That's a fact of life. I think in the past it was always the woman that had to jump through hoops and do everything possible to prove she was not an evil bitch trying to take down the man. Those days are thankfully over. It doesn't make much if any sense for a woman to lie about being raped because it puts her in danger.

makes enough sense in some cases to me. especially when happens literally right around election time. whats the point of waiting till then? especially if said guy is already in office.

but i've seen a false rape accusation in just everyday normal life. literally a case of the girl regretting who she slept with. but thats teens I suppose with stupid teenage logic.

and not every situation is the same, and not every person is the same, each situation is different and each person will react to the situation different. i'm also the type I generally don't let shit bother me much but I realize not everyone is me. though if I was definitely about to go to prison over something i didn't do I might do some stupid things before being taken in, though I wouldn't do anything to harm other people it would likely just get plastered drunk alone in my room.
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No here's why it doesn't make sense - if a woman is caught lying about how she was raped, that is a serious danger to her in the future. It opens her up to never being trusted about rape ever again. And that is dangerous as fuck for her going forward. That's why whenever a woman puts her real name publicly to those accusations, I believe it. Because women don't take a risk of never being believed about rape ever again to see some politician lose an election. That makes absolutely no sense.

wah_wah_wah posted...

No here's why it doesn't make sense - if a woman is caught lying about how she was raped, that is a serious danger to her in the future. It opens her up to never being trusted about rape ever again. And that is dangerous as fuck for her going forward. That's why whenever a woman puts her real name publicly to those accusations, I believe it. Because women don't take a risk of never being believed about rape ever again to see some politician lose an election. That makes absolutely no sense.

I see you are beyond reason. so i'm done with this. if you can't accept the fact that making it so they should be believed without evidence would entice some stupid people to lie, you don't know how vile people can get.
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It's scary stuff, isn't it? I know we've had the comic here before that reads "I changed my mind, it was rape". That such a thing's a possibility in our culture shows how upside-down everything's become.
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I_Abibde posted...

It's scary stuff, isn't it? I know we've had the comic here before that reads "I changed my mind, it was rape". That such a thing's a possibility in our culture shows how upside-down everything's become.

yeah as said i've seen it happen. only reason dude got off was the girls own best friend called her out on the lie right in front of the cops. she happened to have been in the same room having sex with another dude when it allegedly happened. (it was a party to sorta explain two couples having sex in the same room)
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