Poll of the Day > KKK Leader turned PRIEST asks a Black Couple for FORGIVENESS..but they REFUSED!

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Full Throttle 12/11/17 12:36:44 AM #1:	Do you think William is a "changed" man? Yes No View Results Former KKK Leader, William Aitcheson, who has rank teeth, burned a cross on a black couple's lawn 40 years ago before becoming a Roman Catholic PRIEST and he finally wrote to his victims begging for forgiveness...but they REFUSED!! He wrote to Phillip and Barbara Butler that he was "blinded by hate and ignorance" when he targeted them in 1977 in their home in Maryland. He said he rejected those beliefs now after joining priesthood but was too ashamed to face the Butlers and apologize personally He wrote "I believe now that all people can live together in peace regardless of race. I also know that the symbol of the most enduring love the world has ever known must never be used as a weapon of terror. Its use against you was a despicable act. I seriously regret suffering it caused you" But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do" They said he only apologized after the church uncovered his sordid past and otherwise wouldn't have if they didn't find out. He had 90 days ail due to being involved with the KKK and was the leader of the "Klan Beret" who plotted to blow up the NAACP branch and a power plant William was also ordered to pay them 23,000 and 1500 both to the Beth Torah Congregation and B'nai B'rith Foundation of College Park Then president Reagan visited the family as well. William also wrote an essay regarding the violence of the white nationalist rally leaving one person dead and expressed "sorrow" Do you think he's a "changed" man? let's see what people think. William - Racist Priest http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/10/01/472B042A00000578-5163019-image-a-27_1512870030772.jpg The Butlers - Victims http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/10/01/472B043E00000578-5163019-image-a-26_1512870022694.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/10/01/472B042E00000578-5163019-image-a-30_1512870115601.jpg --- call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. Everytime a GFAQS User Steps On A Bug, I'll Stop Posting for 24 HOURS I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right <cite>Full Throttle posted [p:891988141] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote> Do you think William is a "changed" man? Yes No View Results Former KKK Leader, William Aitcheson, who has rank teeth, burned a cross on a black couple's lawn 40 years ago before becoming a Roman Catholic PRIEST and he finally wrote to his victims begging for forgiveness...but they REFUSED!! He wrote to Phillip and Barbara Butler that he was "blinded by hate and ignorance" when he targeted them in 1977 in their home in Maryland. He said he rejected those beliefs now after joining priesthood but was too ashamed to face the Butlers and apologize personally He wrote "I believe now that all people can live together in peace regardless of race. I also know that the symbol of the most enduring love the world has ever known must never be used as a weapon of terror. Its use against you was a despicable act. I seriously regret suffering it caused you" But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do" They said he only apologized after the church uncovered his sordid past and otherwise wouldn't have if they didn't find out. He had 90 days ail due to being involved with the KKK and was the leader of the "Klan Beret" who plotted to blow up the NAACP branch and a power plant William was also ordered to pay them 23,000 and 1500 both to the Beth Torah Congregation and B'nai B'rith Foundation of College Park Then president Reagan visited the family as well. William also wrote an essay regarding the violence of the white nationalist rally leaving one person dead and expressed "sorrow" Do you think he's a "changed" man? let's see what people think. William - Racist Priest http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/10/01/472B042A00000578-5163019-image-a-27_1512870030772.jpg The Butlers - Victims http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/10/01/472B043E00000578-5163019-image-a-26_1512870022694.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/10/01/472B042E00000578-5163019-image-a-30_1512870115601.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/11/17 12:44:04 AM #2:	Full Throttle posted... But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do" If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go >_> I could understand if he burned down their home or beat them or something, but the damage is minor and the guy has clearly turned over a new leaf between joining the church and not getting into trouble for decades. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891988427] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do"</quote> If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go >_> I could understand if he burned down their home or beat them or something, but the damage is minor and the guy has clearly turned over a new leaf between joining the church and not getting into trouble for decades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EightySeven 12/11/17 12:51:00 AM #3:	Zeus posted... If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn. <cite>EightySeven posted [p:891988721] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go</quote> Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/11/17 1:27:37 AM #4:	EightySeven posted... Zeus posted... If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn. Which goes back to the "40 years," dude. More importantly, he was arrested immediately thereafter. That's more comfort than most of us get when either threatened or attacked. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891990078] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>EightySeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go</quote> Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn.</quote> Which goes back to the "40 years," dude. More importantly, he was arrested immediately thereafter. That's more comfort than most of us get when either threatened or attacked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EightySeven 12/11/17 2:14:37 AM #5:	Zeus posted... EightySeven posted... Zeus posted... If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn. Which goes back to the "40 years," dude. More importantly, he was arrested immediately thereafter. That's more comfort than most of us get when either threatened or attacked. At any rate there's a trauma level cutoff point for every individual and it's not really for you to say what that should be from person to person. If we're talking about the average person, though, I'm pretty sure most people would understand still being affected decades later by literally be threatened by a racial supremacy group with a history of killing people. If someone held a gun to your face and told you they were going to shoot, you might not be over it for the rest of your life. It's also pretty telling that you tried to downplay a KKK cross burning as petty vandalism, though. <cite>EightySeven posted [p:891991547] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EightySeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go</quote> Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn.</quote> Which goes back to the "40 years," dude. More importantly, he was arrested immediately thereafter. That's more comfort than most of us get when either threatened or attacked.</quote> At any rate there's a trauma level cutoff point for every individual and it's not really for you to say what that should be from person to person. If we're talking about the average person, though, I'm pretty sure most people would understand still being affected decades later by literally be threatened by a racial supremacy group with a history of killing people. If someone held a gun to your face and told you they were going to shoot, you might not be over it for the rest of your life. It's also pretty telling that you tried to downplay a KKK cross burning as petty vandalism, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/16/17 1:06:37 AM #6:	EightySeven posted... Zeus posted... EightySeven posted... Zeus posted... If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn. Which goes back to the "40 years," dude. More importantly, he was arrested immediately thereafter. That's more comfort than most of us get when either threatened or attacked. At any rate there's a trauma level cutoff point for every individual and it's not really for you to say what that should be from person to person. If we're talking about the average person, though, I'm pretty sure most people would understand still being affected decades later by literally be threatened by a racial supremacy group with a history of killing people. If someone held a gun to your face and told you they were going to shoot, you might not be over it for the rest of your life. It's also pretty telling that you tried to downplay a KKK cross burning as petty vandalism, though. Given that you responded to HALF of my criticism, pointing out that you only responded to HALF isn't moving the goalposts and, far more importantly, 40 years is plenty of time to get over a damaged lawn. And sure, had they held a gun to their face you might have more cause. And it's pretty telling that you hold up vandalism as some great thing simply because it's racist in nature. Vandalism is vandalism. When it's not racist doesn't magically make it okay. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:892307980] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>EightySeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EightySeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go</quote> Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn.</quote> Which goes back to the "40 years," dude. More importantly, he was arrested immediately thereafter. That's more comfort than most of us get when either threatened or attacked.</quote> At any rate there's a trauma level cutoff point for every individual and it's not really for you to say what that should be from person to person. If we're talking about the average person, though, I'm pretty sure most people would understand still being affected decades later by literally be threatened by a racial supremacy group with a history of killing people. If someone held a gun to your face and told you they were going to shoot, you might not be over it for the rest of your life. It's also pretty telling that you tried to downplay a KKK cross burning as petty vandalism, though.</quote> Given that you responded to HALF of my criticism, pointing out that you only responded to HALF isn't moving the goalposts and, far more importantly, 40 years is plenty of time to get over a damaged lawn. And sure, had they held a gun to their face you might have more cause. And it's pretty telling that you hold up vandalism as some great thing simply because it's racist in nature. Vandalism is vandalism. When it's not racist doesn't magically make it okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/16/17 1:09:13 AM #7:	Weird that Zeus is siding with the white person in this situation Very unlike him --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:892308079] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>Weird that Zeus is siding with the white person in this situation Very unlike him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/16/17 1:15:40 AM #8:	Mead posted... Weird that Zeus is siding with the white person in this situation Very unlike him Weird that Mead is race-baiting while trying to troll somebody in this situation yet again. Very unlike him. But more seriously, Mead is a Proteus with no real values whose arguments take the shape of the narrative he needs them to fit. He pretends to be liberal while ignoring the basic principle that people can reform, siding with hard-right conservatives instead of moderates and liberals on this issue. As if anybody needed more proof of his manipulative trolling. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:892308303] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Weird that Zeus is siding with the white person in this situation Very unlike him</quote> Weird that Mead is race-baiting while trying to troll somebody in this situation yet again. Very unlike him. But more seriously, Mead is a Proteus with no real values whose arguments take the shape of the narrative he needs them to fit. He pretends to be liberal while ignoring the basic principle that people can reform, siding with hard-right conservatives instead of moderates and liberals on this issue. As if anybody needed more proof of his manipulative trolling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 12/16/17 1:39:26 AM #9:	It's still important to ask for that forgiveness. Indeed, you shouldn't ask if you expect forgiveness automatically since then asking is meaningless --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:892309146] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>It's still important to ask for that forgiveness. Indeed, you shouldn't ask if you expect forgiveness automatically since then asking is meaningless</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 12/16/17 2:15:45 AM #10:	Zeus posted... Full Throttle posted... But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do" If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go >_> I could understand if he burned down their home or beat them or something, but the damage is minor and the guy has clearly turned over a new leaf between joining the church and not getting into trouble for decades. It's purely psychological. I don't think this family gives a shit about their lawn. They felt threatened and probably were in a state of fear for a long time after it happened. If they don't want to instantly forgive this dude then who cares? They didn't even say they wouldn't forgive him so I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here. You're falling for duckbears bait. --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:892310320] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do"</quote> If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go >_> I could understand if he burned down their home or beat them or something, but the damage is minor and the guy has clearly turned over a new leaf between joining the church and not getting into trouble for decades.</quote> It's purely psychological. I don't think this family gives a shit about their lawn. They felt threatened and probably were in a state of fear for a long time after it happened. If they don't want to instantly forgive this dude then who cares? They didn't even say they wouldn't forgive him so I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here. You're falling for duckbears bait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheFalseDeity 12/16/17 2:20:35 AM #11:	- 40 years - Its gonna take some time And i thought i had trouble getting over stuff damn. Seems to have changed though yeah. --- http://psnprofiles.com/TheFalseDeity Currently playing - Rise of the Tomb Raider <cite>TheFalseDeity posted [p:892310450] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>- 40 years - Its gonna take some time And i thought i had trouble getting over stuff damn. Seems to have changed though yeah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 12/16/17 2:30:29 AM #12:	TheFalseDeity posted... - 40 years - Its gonna take some time And i thought i had trouble getting over stuff damn. Seems to have changed though yeah. I am pretty sure they meant it would take some time to accept his apology. --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:892310709] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheFalseDeity posted...</cite> <quote>- 40 years - Its gonna take some time And i thought i had trouble getting over stuff damn. Seems to have changed though yeah.</quote> I am pretty sure they meant it would take some time to accept his apology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheFalseDeity 12/16/17 2:47:36 AM #13:	Super_Thug44 posted... TheFalseDeity posted... - 40 years - Its gonna take some time And i thought i had trouble getting over stuff damn. Seems to have changed though yeah. I am pretty sure they meant it would take some time to accept his apology. For something like this that happened 40 years ago though. I mean i could understand murder or something but this? Forgive and forget if you hadnt of forgotten already. I dont know just crazy to me that one wouldnt be able to instantly be okay with the apology for this. But different people and such. --- http://psnprofiles.com/TheFalseDeity Currently playing - Rise of the Tomb Raider <cite>TheFalseDeity posted [p:892311123] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheFalseDeity posted...</cite> <quote>- 40 years - Its gonna take some time And i thought i had trouble getting over stuff damn. Seems to have changed though yeah.</quote> I am pretty sure they meant it would take some time to accept his apology.</quote> For something like this that happened 40 years ago though. I mean i could understand murder or something but this? Forgive and forget if you hadnt of forgotten already. I dont know just crazy to me that one wouldnt be able to instantly be okay with the apology for this. But different people and such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 12/16/17 2:55:27 AM #14:	TheFalseDeity posted... I dont know just crazy to me that one wouldnt be able to instantly be okay with the apology for this. But different people and such. I'm sure you will think differently if your family was threatened by people who literally have killed and terrorized others for the color of their skin. Doesn't matter how long ago it happened. That shit sticks with you for life and you certainly won't forget it. Just because the person responsible for that shit says some apology (that may not even be with good intentions) doesn't mean you have to accept it instantly. --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:892311354] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheFalseDeity posted...</cite> <quote>I dont know just crazy to me that one wouldnt be able to instantly be okay with the apology for this. But different people and such.</quote> I'm sure you will think differently if your family was threatened by people who literally have killed and terrorized others for the color of their skin. Doesn't matter how long ago it happened. That shit sticks with you for life and you certainly won't forget it. Just because the person responsible for that shit says some apology (that may not even be with good intentions) doesn't mean you have to accept it instantly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/16/17 2:55:40 AM #15:	Super_Thug44 posted... Zeus posted... Full Throttle posted... But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do" If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go >_> I could understand if he burned down their home or beat them or something, but the damage is minor and the guy has clearly turned over a new leaf between joining the church and not getting into trouble for decades. It's purely psychological. I don't think this family gives a shit about their lawn. They felt threatened and probably were in a state of fear for a long time after it happened. If they don't want to instantly forgive this dude then who cares? They didn't even say they wouldn't forgive him so I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here. You're falling for duckbears bait. "Instantly forgive"? They've had 40 years. During that time he went to prison, reformed his wicked ways, and turned his life around. Hell, he took up the cloth! If anything, this should be evidence that the justice system can rehabilitate. And if Mead wasn't a consummate troll with a personal vendetta and actually believed in the liberal values he occasionally professes to support, he'd be cheering this reform. TheFalseDeity posted... - 40 years - Its gonna take some time And i thought i had trouble getting over stuff damn. I know, right? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:892311360] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do"</quote> If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go >_> I could understand if he burned down their home or beat them or something, but the damage is minor and the guy has clearly turned over a new leaf between joining the church and not getting into trouble for decades.</quote> It's purely psychological. I don't think this family gives a shit about their lawn. They felt threatened and probably were in a state of fear for a long time after it happened. If they don't want to instantly forgive this dude then who cares? They didn't even say they wouldn't forgive him so I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here. You're falling for duckbears bait.</quote> "Instantly forgive"? They've had 40 years. During that time he went to prison, reformed his wicked ways, and turned his life around. Hell, he took up the cloth! If anything, this should be evidence that the justice system can rehabilitate. And if Mead wasn't a consummate troll with a personal vendetta and actually believed in the liberal values he occasionally professes to support, he'd be cheering this reform. <cite>TheFalseDeity posted...</cite> <quote>- 40 years - Its gonna take some time And i thought i had trouble getting over stuff damn.</quote> I know, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 12/16/17 2:59:59 AM #16:	I don't really know how else to explain this to you dude. They are free to accept, reject, ignore or take their time or do whatever they want with this man's apology. They don't owe him anything. My girlfriend got sexually assaulted by a classmate a few years ago. Does she have to instantly accept his apology if he says "sorry that was wrong" any amount of time later? --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:892311469] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>I don't really know how else to explain this to you dude. They are free to accept, reject, ignore or take their time or do whatever they want with this man's apology. They don't owe him anything. My girlfriend got sexually assaulted by a classmate a few years ago. Does she have to instantly accept his apology if he says "sorry that was wrong" any amount of time later?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/16/17 3:12:11 AM #17:	Super_Thug44 posted... I don't really know how else to explain this to you dude. They are free to accept, reject, ignore or take their time or do whatever they want with this man's apology. They don't owe him anything. My girlfriend got sexually assaulted by a classmate a few years ago. Does she have to instantly accept his apology if he says "sorry that was wrong" any amount of time later? Because apparently vandalism 40 years ago is exactly as bad as sexual assault a few years ago...? Usually I'd say "apples and oranges" but this is more "apples and photocopiers." --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:892311730] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't really know how else to explain this to you dude. They are free to accept, reject, ignore or take their time or do whatever they want with this man's apology. They don't owe him anything. My girlfriend got sexually assaulted by a classmate a few years ago. Does she have to instantly accept his apology if he says "sorry that was wrong" any amount of time later?</quote> Because apparently vandalism 40 years ago is exactly as bad as sexual assault a few years ago...? Usually I'd say "apples and oranges" but this is more "apples and photocopiers."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 12/16/17 10:39:37 AM #18:	The fact that you think what happened was just vandalism is very disturbing. --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:892321245] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>The fact that you think what happened was just vandalism is very disturbing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASlaveObeys 12/16/17 10:55:12 AM #19:	They have no real reason to forgive him. Who cares if they forgive him or not? <cite>ASlaveObeys posted [p:892321804] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>They have no real reason to forgive him. Who cares if they forgive him or not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metro2 12/16/17 11:05:04 AM #20:	Although they don't have to forgive, it doesn't matter if he receives it. Anyone has the power to change if they realize the things they did wrong. Despite the shitty past, the best thing you can do is try to become a better person. <cite>Metro2 posted [p:892322191] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>Although they don't have to forgive, it doesn't matter if he receives it. Anyone has the power to change if they realize the things they did wrong. Despite the shitty past, the best thing you can do is try to become a better person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dollarflashsale 12/16/17 12:11:30 PM #21:	Zeus posted... Mead posted... Weird that Zeus is siding with the white person in this situation Very unlike him Weird that Mead is race-baiting while trying to troll somebody in this situation yet again. Very unlike him. But more seriously, Mead is a Proteus with no real values whose arguments take the shape of the narrative he needs them to fit. He pretends to be liberal while ignoring the basic principle that people can reform, siding with hard-right conservatives instead of moderates and liberals on this issue. As if anybody needed more proof of his manipulative trolling. fuck off mead i heard enough of your shit fucking crybaby <cite>dollarflashsale posted [p:892324902] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Weird that Zeus is siding with the white person in this situation Very unlike him</quote> Weird that Mead is race-baiting while trying to troll somebody in this situation yet again. Very unlike him. But more seriously, Mead is a Proteus with no real values whose arguments take the shape of the narrative he needs them to fit. He pretends to be liberal while ignoring the basic principle that people can reform, siding with hard-right conservatives instead of moderates and liberals on this issue. As if anybody needed more proof of his manipulative trolling.</quote> fuck off mead i heard enough of your shit fucking crybaby</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EightySeven 12/17/17 2:46:42 AM #24:	Zeus posted... And it's pretty telling that you hold up vandalism as some great thing simply because it's racist in nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroristic_threat Read that. Realize that cross burning is literally the textbook example of it then stop trying to pretend like it's on the same level as spray painting a bridge underpass with graffiti. <cite>EightySeven posted [p:892364640] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And it's pretty telling that you hold up vandalism as some great thing simply because it's racist in nature. </quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroristic_threat Read that. Realize that cross burning is literally the textbook example of it then stop trying to pretend like it's on the same level as spray painting a bridge underpass with graffiti.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MICHALECOLE 12/17/17 2:51:38 AM #25:	I applaud him for saying sorry, but just like when you do a favor you should not expect anything in return, when you apologize you should not expect forgiveness. They have no obligation to forgive him. He did what he could do, and if he is truly sorry that should be enough for him. <cite>MICHALECOLE posted [p:892364752] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>I applaud him for saying sorry, but just like when you do a favor you should not expect anything in return, when you apologize you should not expect forgiveness. They have no obligation to forgive him. He did what he could do, and if he is truly sorry that should be enough for him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Maniac 12/17/17 8:53:35 AM #26:	For you schmucks on the internet, this isn't something that you really have much context for and can only view this as an outsider. You don't get to judge this guy. I met Father Aitcheson in person multiple times, and he was even a regular priest at my parish for a while. He's a solid priest. The fact that he wanted to move on is commendable, and the fact that the couple he harassed 40 years ago won't forgive him is horrible. I get that some of you might think that he shouldn't have waited so long to ask for forgiveness, but I can relate. When you do something really awful and realize how awful it was, the pure guilt and shame can keep you from asking for forgiveness for a while. In fact, the only reason this came up was because there was a discussion being had by some parishoners relating to the KKK/racism, and Fr. Aitcheson voluntarily mentioned his experience with the KKK. He didn't have to mention that he was part of it, but he did. No one who has actually met the guy will say that he's a racist. All of you talking smack about him should be ashamed of yourselves. --- "Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong." <cite>Zero_Maniac posted [p:892371329] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>For you schmucks on the internet, this isn't something that you really have much context for and can only view this as an outsider. You don't get to judge this guy. I met Father Aitcheson in person multiple times, and he was even a regular priest at my parish for a while. He's a solid priest. The fact that he wanted to move on is commendable, and the fact that the couple he harassed 40 years ago won't forgive him is horrible. I get that some of you might think that he shouldn't have waited so long to ask for forgiveness, but I can relate. When you do something really awful and realize how awful it was, the pure guilt and shame can keep you from asking for forgiveness for a while. In fact, the only reason this came up was because there was a discussion being had by some parishoners relating to the KKK/racism, and Fr. Aitcheson voluntarily mentioned his experience with the KKK. He didn't have to mention that he was part of it, but he did. No one who has actually met the guy will say that he's a racist. All of you talking smack about him should be ashamed of yourselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/17/17 9:25:12 AM #27:	Zero_Maniac posted... You don't get to judge this guy. Sure we do, deal with it. --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:892372058] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Maniac posted...</cite> <quote>You don't get to judge this guy.</quote> Sure we do, deal with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/17/17 9:26:35 AM #28:	dollarflashsale posted... fuck off mead i heard enough of your shit fucking crybaby triggered af right here --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:892372096] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>dollarflashsale posted...</cite> <quote>fuck off mead i heard enough of your shit fucking crybaby</quote> triggered af right here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 12/17/17 9:36:03 AM #29:	EightySeven posted... Zeus posted... If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn. These things will always fly over Zeus' head. --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:892372325] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>EightySeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go</quote> Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn.</quote> These things will always fly over Zeus' head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/17/17 11:26:59 AM #30:	AllstarSniper32 posted... EightySeven posted... Zeus posted... If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn. These things will always fly over Zeus' head. Its pretty easy to imagine how outraged he would be if a black guy terrorized a white family But since a white person commited the crime it was just a bit of lawn damage they need to get over it --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:892376009] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EightySeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go</quote> Right, it's not like there's any sort of psychological trauma from credible terroristic threats. Nope, only a damaged lawn.</quote> These things will always fly over Zeus' head.</quote> Its pretty easy to imagine how outraged he would be if a black guy terrorized a white family But since a white person commited the crime it was just a bit of lawn damage they need to get over it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 12/17/17 12:41:58 PM #31:	Zero_Maniac posted... For you schmucks on the internet, this isn't something that you really have much context for and can only view this as an outsider. You don't get to judge this guy. I met Father Aitcheson in person multiple times, and he was even a regular priest at my parish for a while. He's a solid priest. The fact that he wanted to move on is commendable, and the fact that the couple he harassed 40 years ago won't forgive him is horrible. I get that some of you might think that he shouldn't have waited so long to ask for forgiveness, but I can relate. When you do something really awful and realize how awful it was, the pure guilt and shame can keep you from asking for forgiveness for a while. In fact, the only reason this came up was because there was a discussion being had by some parishoners relating to the KKK/racism, and Fr. Aitcheson voluntarily mentioned his experience with the KKK. He didn't have to mention that he was part of it, but he did. No one who has actually met the guy will say that he's a racist. All of you talking smack about him should be ashamed of yourselves. No one is talking smack about him. He's probably a decent human being right now. People are just saying an apology isn't something someone has to accept unconditionally. This man did something terrible in the past and the people he hurt don't have any obligation to accept his apology despite how well intentioned he may be now. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand for some people. --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:892379051] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Maniac posted...</cite> <quote>For you schmucks on the internet, this isn't something that you really have much context for and can only view this as an outsider. You don't get to judge this guy. I met Father Aitcheson in person multiple times, and he was even a regular priest at my parish for a while. He's a solid priest. The fact that he wanted to move on is commendable, and the fact that the couple he harassed 40 years ago won't forgive him is horrible. I get that some of you might think that he shouldn't have waited so long to ask for forgiveness, but I can relate. When you do something really awful and realize how awful it was, the pure guilt and shame can keep you from asking for forgiveness for a while. In fact, the only reason this came up was because there was a discussion being had by some parishoners relating to the KKK/racism, and Fr. Aitcheson voluntarily mentioned his experience with the KKK. He didn't have to mention that he was part of it, but he did. No one who has actually met the guy will say that he's a racist. All of you talking smack about him should be ashamed of yourselves.</quote> No one is talking smack about him. He's probably a decent human being right now. People are just saying an apology isn't something someone has to accept unconditionally. This man did something terrible in the past and the people he hurt don't have any obligation to accept his apology despite how well intentioned he may be now. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand for some people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 12/17/17 12:48:11 PM #32:	Full Throttle posted... but they REFUSED!! Must be a slow news day. Full Throttle posted... He had 90 days ail due to being involved with the KKK I don't know what "90 days ail" is, or how it is caused by the KKK. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:892379348] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>but they REFUSED!!</quote> Must be a slow news day. <cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>He had 90 days ail due to being involved with the KKK</quote> I don't know what "90 days ail" is, or how it is caused by the KKK.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleRoyal 12/17/17 1:16:37 PM #33:	Zeus posted... Full Throttle posted... But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do" If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go >_> I could understand if he burned down their home or beat them or something, but the damage is minor and the guy has clearly turned over a new leaf between joining the church and not getting into trouble for decades. This. Sound like assholes. People are racist to me sometimes (they dont hurt my lawn) but its not like Im holding onto it for 40 years. --- I-I really needed this~~ Time to stomp some faces!!! <cite>LittleRoyal posted [p:892380723] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>But the Butlers are not forgiving him and said it was going to take some time. They said "For you to come into my life, 40 years, and say i'm sorry. i will pray on it. That's the only thing i can do"</quote> If it's 40 years and the only thing they suffered was a damaged lawn, you can kinda let it go >_> I could understand if he burned down their home or beat them or something, but the damage is minor and the guy has clearly turned over a new leaf between joining the church and not getting into trouble for decades.</quote> This. Sound like assholes. People are racist to me sometimes (they dont hurt my lawn) but its not like Im holding onto it for 40 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Maniac 12/17/17 1:40:12 PM #34:	Super_Thug44 posted... No one is talking smack about him. He's probably a decent human being right now. People are just saying an apology isn't something someone has to accept unconditionally. This man did something terrible in the past and the people he hurt don't have any obligation to accept his apology despite how well intentioned he may be now. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand for some people. All those people who voted "No" in the poll have essentially talked smack about him. I didn't misunderstand what everyone was saying here in the slightest. My comment wasn't necessarily directed at people who posted, but the people who voted "No". --- "Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong." <cite>Zero_Maniac posted [p:892381851] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote>No one is talking smack about him. He's probably a decent human being right now. People are just saying an apology isn't something someone has to accept unconditionally. This man did something terrible in the past and the people he hurt don't have any obligation to accept his apology despite how well intentioned he may be now. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand for some people.</quote> All those people who voted "No" in the poll have essentially talked smack about him. I didn't misunderstand what everyone was saying here in the slightest. My comment wasn't necessarily directed at people who posted, but the people who voted "No".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/17/17 1:47:00 PM #35:	Zero_Maniac posted... Super_Thug44 posted... No one is talking smack about him. He's probably a decent human being right now. People are just saying an apology isn't something someone has to accept unconditionally. This man did something terrible in the past and the people he hurt don't have any obligation to accept his apology despite how well intentioned he may be now. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand for some people. All those people who voted "No" in the poll have essentially talked smack about him. I didn't misunderstand what everyone was saying here in the slightest. My comment wasn't necessarily directed at people who posted, but the people who voted "No". Could you be more butthurt --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:892382181] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Maniac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote>No one is talking smack about him. He's probably a decent human being right now. People are just saying an apology isn't something someone has to accept unconditionally. This man did something terrible in the past and the people he hurt don't have any obligation to accept his apology despite how well intentioned he may be now. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand for some people.</quote> All those people who voted "No" in the poll have essentially talked smack about him. I didn't misunderstand what everyone was saying here in the slightest. My comment wasn't necessarily directed at people who posted, but the people who voted "No".</quote> Could you be more butthurt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 12/17/17 2:02:26 PM #36:	That cross burning is equal to them spray painting their house saying "go home *****" or "get out ***" with shortening following "you know what will happen". That burnt cross is a specific kind of death threat. So yes, it is pretty close to putting a gun to someone's head and then telling then to leave or next time they will pull the trigger or something. Now as for the priest himself. He is a changed man for sure, he is reaching out. But you know what would have been a better thing to do? Actually go to their door step and apologize in person. Not jus through a letter. The reason is because they deserve a face to face apology. Time and money may be keeping him from going now but he needs to go at some point. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:892382973] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>That cross burning is equal to them spray painting their house saying "go home ***" or "get out *****" with shortening following "you know what will happen". That burnt cross is a specific kind of death threat. So yes, it is pretty close to putting a gun to someone's head and then telling then to leave or next time they will pull the trigger or something. Now as for the priest himself. He is a changed man for sure, he is reaching out. But you know what would have been a better thing to do? Actually go to their door step and apologize in person. Not jus through a letter. The reason is because they deserve a face to face apology. Time and money may be keeping him from going now but he needs to go at some point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Maniac 12/17/17 2:12:40 PM #37:	yutterh posted... But you know what would have been a better thing to do? Actually go to their door step and apologize in person. Not jus through a letter. The reason is because they deserve a face to face apology. Time and money may be keeping him from going now but he needs to go at some point. I agree with this mostly. However, it takes a lot to meet people face-to-face after something like that. I suppose he could've written in his letter that he will come meet them in person to apologize, but what if they say they don't want him to come to them? For all he knows (and seemingly would have been correct to think so), they still haven't forgiven him and likely would not want to meet him in person. Either way, time and money are likely not the obstacles. He requested permission to step down, at least temporarily, and permission was granted. He is essentially defrocked right now, as he has no assignment. I don't know if he is still getting paid, but I'm sure he could spend the gas money to get from where he lives to Maryland, or wherever this couple lives now. --- "Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong." <cite>Zero_Maniac posted [p:892383570] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>But you know what would have been a better thing to do? Actually go to their door step and apologize in person. Not jus through a letter. The reason is because they deserve a face to face apology. Time and money may be keeping him from going now but he needs to go at some point.</quote> I agree with this mostly. However, it takes a lot to meet people face-to-face after something like that. I suppose he could've written in his letter that he will come meet them in person to apologize, but what if they say they don't want him to come to them? For all he knows (and seemingly would have been correct to think so), they still haven't forgiven him and likely would not want to meet him in person. Either way, time and money are likely not the obstacles. He requested permission to step down, at least temporarily, and permission was granted. He is essentially defrocked right now, as he has no assignment. I don't know if he is still getting paid, but I'm sure he could spend the gas money to get from where he lives to Maryland, or wherever this couple lives now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaTomHank 12/17/17 2:17:51 PM #38:	William is a changed man and these black folks not accepting his apology is only further perpetuating hate and racism. They should be ashamed. They need Jesus in their lives and William could show them the path to salvation <cite>OmegaTomHank posted [p:892383849] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>William is a changed man and these black folks not accepting his apology is only further perpetuating hate and racism. They should be ashamed. They need Jesus in their lives and William could show them the path to salvation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaTomHank 12/17/17 2:22:18 PM #39:	This fool said hes pray on it and he has a disciple of the lord appear at his doorstep offering him salvation, instead he chooses to hold his demonic hate in his heart. That is not of God. I will pray for the couple that they dont burn in hell for their transgressions. <cite>OmegaTomHank posted [p:892384124] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>This fool said hes pray on it and he has a disciple of the lord appear at his doorstep offering him salvation, instead he chooses to hold his demonic hate in his heart. That is not of God. I will pray for the couple that they dont burn in hell for their transgressions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/17/17 2:23:24 PM #40:	Ill pray for all of them but the former KKK dude the most since his twisted butt likely needs it --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:892384184] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>Ill pray for all of them but the former KKK dude the most since his twisted butt likely needs it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSlinja 12/17/17 2:29:11 PM #41:	fucking dead at zues trying to downplay KKK terror moves as something unreasonable to be hung up over like its not a big deal --- https://i.imgur.com/x5lUEmo.png <cite>TheSlinja posted [p:892384531] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>fucking dead at zues trying to downplay KKK terror moves as something unreasonable to be hung up over like its not a big deal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GastroFan 12/17/17 2:40:29 PM #42:	If he is a changed man, he should publicly apologize to those he attacked, in person. Until he does that, I wouldnt believe him. <cite>GastroFan posted [p:892385202] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>If he is a changed man, he should publicly apologize to those he attacked, in person. Until he does that, I wouldnt believe him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Maniac 12/17/17 3:01:19 PM #43:	GastroFan posted... If he is a changed man, he should publicly apologize to those he attacked, in person. Until he does that, I wouldnt believe him. They basically just rejected his written apology. Why would he waste his time and money going to their home only to be turned away? That's a stupid thing to do in his position. --- "Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong." <cite>Zero_Maniac posted [p:892386317] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>GastroFan posted...</cite> <quote>If he is a changed man, he should publicly apologize to those he attacked, in person. Until he does that, I wouldnt believe him.</quote> They basically just rejected his written apology. Why would he waste his time and money going to their home only to be turned away? That's a stupid thing to do in his position.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/17/17 3:11:17 PM #44:	Zero_Maniac posted... GastroFan posted... If he is a changed man, he should publicly apologize to those he attacked, in person. Until he does that, I wouldnt believe him. They basically just rejected his written apology. Why would he waste his time and money going to their home only to be turned away? That's a stupid thing to do in his position. Especially since he seems like hypocritical a piece of shit anyways --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:892386840] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Maniac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GastroFan posted...</cite> <quote>If he is a changed man, he should publicly apologize to those he attacked, in person. Until he does that, I wouldnt believe him.</quote> They basically just rejected his written apology. Why would he waste his time and money going to their home only to be turned away? That's a stupid thing to do in his position.</quote> Especially since he seems like hypocritical a piece of shit anyways</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 12/17/17 4:27:40 PM #45:	Zero_Maniac posted... GastroFan posted... If he is a changed man, he should publicly apologize to those he attacked, in person. Until he does that, I wouldnt believe him. They basically just rejected his written apology. Why would he waste his time and money going to their home only to be turned away? That's a stupid thing to do in his position. Going only off of what duckbear has posted, they did not outright reject his apology. What it sounds like is they will need some time to accept his apology, which is completely understandable. And I think it would mean a lot more to actually apologize to these people in person than just write them a letter. But yeah, I can see why he would not necessarily want to do that at first because it might just make the family kind of upset. --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:892391011] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Maniac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GastroFan posted...</cite> <quote>If he is a changed man, he should publicly apologize to those he attacked, in person. Until he does that, I wouldnt believe him.</quote> They basically just rejected his written apology. Why would he waste his time and money going to their home only to be turned away? That's a stupid thing to do in his position.</quote> Going only off of what duckbear has posted, they did not outright reject his apology. What it sounds like is they will need some time to accept his apology, which is completely understandable. And I think it would mean a lot more to actually apologize to these people in person than just write them a letter. But yeah, I can see why he would not necessarily want to do that at first because it might just make the family kind of upset.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/17/17 4:36:56 PM #46:	Super_Thug44 posted... The fact that you think what happened was just vandalism is very disturbing. Oh, was somebody murdered? Did he beat somebody up? Did he burn down their home? Rape somebody? No? He just burned a part of their lawn? Sounds like vandalism to me. ASlaveObeys posted... They have no real reason to forgive him. Who cares if they forgive him or not? Well, he cares, for starters. And he's dedicated much of his life to atoning for his past misdeeds. Sure, the fact that he apologized is enough in itself, but their forgiveness helps to close the chapter. EightySeven posted... Zeus posted... And it's pretty telling that you hold up vandalism as some great thing simply because it's racist in nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroristic_threat Read that. Realize that cross burning is literally the textbook example of it then stop trying to pretend like it's on the same level as spray painting a bridge underpass with graffiti. Because apparently all vandalism is spraypainting a bridge? I think you need to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism Zero_Maniac posted... Super_Thug44 posted... No one is talking smack about him. He's probably a decent human being right now. People are just saying an apology isn't something someone has to accept unconditionally. This man did something terrible in the past and the people he hurt don't have any obligation to accept his apology despite how well intentioned he may be now. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand for some people. All those people who voted "No" in the poll have essentially talked smack about him. I didn't misunderstand what everyone was saying here in the slightest. My comment wasn't necessarily directed at people who posted, but the people who voted "No". Probably because the board is full of closet-religious conservatives pretending to be liberals who believe in indelible sin so they regard the notion that people can change -- the entire ideal of our justice system -- as being impossible. It's unsurprising given how many pretend-liberals here routinely hoot and holler for the death penalty, by far the most barbaric punishment in any developed nation and so heinous that America is one of the few developed nations which still routinely engages in it. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:892391543] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that you think what happened was just vandalism is very disturbing.</quote> Oh, was somebody murdered? Did he beat somebody up? Did he burn down their home? Rape somebody? No? He just burned a part of their lawn? Sounds like vandalism to me. <cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>They have no real reason to forgive him. Who cares if they forgive him or not?</quote> Well, he cares, for starters. And he's dedicated much of his life to atoning for his past misdeeds. Sure, the fact that he apologized is enough in itself, but their forgiveness helps to close the chapter. <cite>EightySeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And it's pretty telling that you hold up vandalism as some great thing simply because it's racist in nature. </quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroristic_threat Read that. Realize that cross burning is literally the textbook example of it then stop trying to pretend like it's on the same level as spray painting a bridge underpass with graffiti.</quote> Because apparently all vandalism is spraypainting a bridge? I think you need to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism <cite>Zero_Maniac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote>No one is talking smack about him. He's probably a decent human being right now. People are just saying an apology isn't something someone has to accept unconditionally. This man did something terrible in the past and the people he hurt don't have any obligation to accept his apology despite how well intentioned he may be now. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand for some people.</quote> All those people who voted "No" in the poll have essentially talked smack about him. I didn't misunderstand what everyone was saying here in the slightest. My comment wasn't necessarily directed at people who posted, but the people who voted "No".</quote> Probably because the board is full of closet-religious conservatives pretending to be liberals who believe in indelible sin so they regard the notion that people can change -- the entire ideal of our justice system -- as being impossible. It's unsurprising given how many pretend-liberals here routinely hoot and holler for the death penalty, by far the most barbaric punishment in any developed nation and so heinous that America is one of the few developed nations which still routinely engages in it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/17/17 4:37:00 PM #47:	yutterh posted... Now as for the priest himself. He is a changed man for sure, he is reaching out. But you know what would have been a better thing to do? Actually go to their door step and apologize in person. Not jus through a letter. The reason is because they deserve a face to face apology. Time and money may be keeping him from going now but he needs to go at some point. Given their reaction, it doesn't seem likely they'd invite him in for tea. And, if the counter-argument is "Oh, they still feel threatened! And terrified!", then having the guy come to their door isn't likely going to be a great approach. But sure, an in-person apology would be better. However, nothing suggests that they were holding out for an in-person apology. Mead posted... Especially since he seems like hypocritical a piece of shit anyways --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:892391547] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Now as for the priest himself. He is a changed man for sure, he is reaching out. But you know what would have been a better thing to do? Actually go to their door step and apologize in person. Not jus through a letter. The reason is because they deserve a face to face apology. Time and money may be keeping him from going now but he needs to go at some point.</quote> Given their reaction, it doesn't seem likely they'd invite him in for tea. And, if the counter-argument is "Oh, they still feel threatened! And terrified!", then having the guy come to their door isn't likely going to be a great approach. But sure, an in-person apology would be better. However, nothing suggests that they were holding out for an in-person apology. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Especially since he seems like hypocritical a piece of shit anyways</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 12/17/17 4:42:12 PM #48:	wow. you are literally worse than ICOYAR now. --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:892391841] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote>wow. you are literally worse than ICOYAR now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 12/17/17 4:42:40 PM #49:	Super_Thug44 posted... TheFalseDeity posted... I dont know just crazy to me that one wouldnt be able to instantly be okay with the apology for this. But different people and such. I'm sure you will think differently if your family was threatened by people who literally have killed and terrorized others for the color of their skin. Doesn't matter how long ago it happened. That shit sticks with you for life and you certainly won't forget it. Just because the person responsible for that shit says some apology (that may not even be with good intentions) doesn't mean you have to accept it instantly. happened to my brother. he seems to have completely forgotten about it. I doubt he has but it doesn't seem to have effected how he acts or his day to day life period, and he hasn't spoken of it in a long time. long story short some gang was initiating a new member and told them to pick a white guy and kill him. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:892391875] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheFalseDeity posted...</cite> <quote>I dont know just crazy to me that one wouldnt be able to instantly be okay with the apology for this. But different people and such.</quote> I'm sure you will think differently if your family was threatened by people who literally have killed and terrorized others for the color of their skin. Doesn't matter how long ago it happened. That shit sticks with you for life and you certainly won't forget it. Just because the person responsible for that shit says some apology (that may not even be with good intentions) doesn't mean you have to accept it instantly.</quote> happened to my brother. he seems to have completely forgotten about it. I doubt he has but it doesn't seem to have effected how he acts or his day to day life period, and he hasn't spoken of it in a long time. long story short some gang was initiating a new member and told them to pick a white guy and kill him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 12/17/17 6:16:58 PM #50:	Super_Thug44 posted... wow. you are literally worse than ICOYAR now. "now"? --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:892397635] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote>wow. you are literally worse than ICOYAR now.</quote> "now"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Maniac 12/17/17 7:10:14 PM #51:	Zeus posted... Probably because the board is full of closet-religious conservatives pretending to be liberals who believe in indelible sin so they regard the notion that people can change -- the entire ideal of our justice system -- as being impossible What? That's not a religious or conservative stance, at least not a Christian stance. I'm a religious conservative myself, and I firmly believe people are capable of change, even major change. Five years ago I just went to Mass because my parents would punish me otherwise. Now I go to Mass because I want to go to Mass, and it's not as though my parents could do anything aside from guilt trip me if I didn't want to. --- "Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong." <cite>Zero_Maniac posted [p:892400797] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Probably because the board is full of closet-religious conservatives pretending to be liberals who believe in indelible sin so they regard the notion that people can change -- the entire ideal of our justice system -- as being impossible</quote> What? That's not a religious or conservative stance, at least not a Christian stance. I'm a religious conservative myself, and I firmly believe people are capable of change, even major change. Five years ago I just went to Mass because my parents would punish me otherwise. Now I go to Mass because I want to go to Mass, and it's not as though my parents could do anything aside from guilt trip me if I didn't want to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSlinja 12/17/17 7:22:42 PM #52:	Zeus posted... Oh, was somebody murdered? Did he beat somebody up? Did he burn down their home? Rape somebody? No? He just burned a part of their lawn? Sounds like vandalism to me. welp this is it, zeus has gone off the deep end he was always teetering but the trump election arc just slowly pushed him too far he is just another troll now --- https://i.imgur.com/x5lUEmo.png <cite>TheSlinja posted [p:892401807] in KKK Leader... [t:76085717]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, was somebody murdered? Did he beat somebody up? Did he burn down their home? Rape somebody? No? He just burned a part of their lawn? Sounds like vandalism to me. </quote> welp this is it, zeus has gone off the deep end he was always teetering but the trump election arc just slowly pushed him too far he is just another troll now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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