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Rockies 12/08/17 3:43:18 PM #1: |
I just watched this clip from his recent h3h3 podcast appearance which I think was the first time he discussed it in a while. He basically just retreads the "I wasn't prepared/I did a bad job articulating my points" excuse from his initial non-apology. He uses a variation of "I have a black friend" to defend that he's not racist. Ethan says some centrist platitudes about considering all viewpoints (which apparently includes ones that are horrible and wrong and argue in bad faith). That's my take at least, but you can watch the video for yourself. Kind of disappointing that Jon just can't straight up apologize for expressing those views and say something like "Yeah after the backlash I realized what was so bad about the things I said." Probably because he doesn't understand what's wrong with it, which is disappointing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 12/08/17 3:46:11 PM #2: |
I get what he meant - people are just being dumb
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ZiggiStardust 12/08/17 3:47:01 PM #3: |
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Lokarin 12/08/17 3:48:18 PM #4: |
ZiggiStardust posted...
guy is a piece of shit, ok? Anyone gunna try to disprove the fact that most people form homologous subgroups? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ogurisama 12/08/17 3:50:15 PM #5: |
I think he will fade from everything in a year or two.
He rarely makes new content, and people are getting sick of the shit he is spouting. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FourthDimension 12/08/17 3:50:52 PM #6: |
Probably. Nothing's changed other than he took a long break hoping people would forget
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EvilMegas 12/08/17 3:53:29 PM #7: |
As log as hes funny, I'm okay with it. Some of you guys say the same shit on here.
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ZiggiStardust 12/08/17 3:56:15 PM #8: |
to be fair, he sucked long before this racist shit came to light, ok?
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Dikitain 12/08/17 3:56:33 PM #9: |
I think Jon is the victim of the modern trend of "if you don't agree with me 100% then you are a racist/homophobe/bigot/etc."
So no, he shouldn't apologize because he did nothing wrong other then expressing his opinion. --- I am a senior software engineer. If you see me post here, I am tired of writing TPS reports. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Andromicus 12/08/17 4:03:18 PM #10: |
Honestly though do rich blacks really commit more crimes than poor whites? Because the stats I saw only showed conviction rates not actual number of crimes committed
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:10:10 PM #11: |
I think hes probably just a right-leaning centrist reactionary, which is fairly harmless when it comes down to it but the fact remains that in his line of work its honestly best to just not comment on that stuff publicly. Unfortunately for him its not a great time to express openly conservative views, and with his audience most likely being mostly younger it wouldve definitely been better for him to keep his mouth shut.
I kinda just hadnt been into his content for a while before all that went down anyway so it was easy to let him go. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:11:30 PM #12: |
tl;dr yes hes probably still a big dumb racist but hes trying to rebuild his shattered brand now
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Rockies 12/08/17 4:14:32 PM #13: |
Ogurisama posted...
I think he will fade from everything in a year or two. Him rarely making new content has been the case since basically when he started Game Grumps. If it hasn't sunk him in those almost six years, I doubt much will change in a year or two. He doesn't really even talk politics anymore, and YT tends to be popular with right-leaning people. ZiggiStardust posted... to be fair, he sucked long before this racist shit came to light, ok? Well, there was a time I did like him, but I was starting to lose interest once he started doing a bunch of movie videos instead of game videos, and that indeed was long before he said all that crazy shit. Dikitain posted... I think Jon is the victim of the modern trend of "if you don't agree with me 100% then you are a racist/homophobe/bigot/etc." Ah yes, let's make people who spout hateful and ill-informed views out to be the "victim". I felt a little pity for him in that he probably wasn't a genuinely racist guy, just somebody who isn't super smart when it comes to politics and got caught up with some manipulative minds. But there's a certain point where if you keep believing that shit, I lose that pity. I don't know if his apparent lack of interest is a good thing; it's probably smart to not talk about politics publicly anymore, but it also sounds like he's being pretty insular and closing himself off from actually learning the specific issues people have with his views. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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knivesX2004 12/08/17 4:16:05 PM #14: |
Just watch his videos with Ad block on.
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:16:41 PM #15: |
Oh yeah him brushing shoulders with those skeptic dudes probably didnt help his case
Those dudes will basically gaslight you into thinking youre a lot more radical than you probably are. Just look at Lokarin --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:17:15 PM #16: |
knivesX2004 posted...
videos with Ad block on. This should be the default anyways, and for all sites. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Andromicus 12/08/17 4:17:32 PM #17: |
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Oh yeah him brushing shoulders with those skeptic dudes probably didnt help his case What bro it's just some statistics bro, not like you're gonna become one of us man ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:17:51 PM #18: |
Nightengale posted...
Those dudes will basically gaslight you into thinking youre a lot more radical than you probably are. Just look at Lokarin What's gaslighting? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:18:14 PM #19: |
Look its just facts that most crime is black-on-black bro, Im not racist bro Im just a realist, come on bro
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:19:05 PM #20: |
Nightengale posted...
Look its just facts that most crime is black-on-black bro, Im not racist bro Im just a realist, come on bro Most crime is neighbour on neighbour, independent of other demographics. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rockies 12/08/17 4:19:56 PM #21: |
knivesX2004 posted...
Just watch his videos with Ad block on. I watch everything on YouTube with Adblock anyway. I probably wouldn't watch his videos again even if he changed his tune, but it would still be nice to see. It's like how can you not necessarily enjoy seeing your ex with another guy but can still be happy that she got married or whatever Nightengale posted... Oh yeah him brushing shoulders with those skeptic dudes probably didnt help his case Also, him doing an interview with Breitbart preceded the stuff he said ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:20:08 PM #22: |
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Smarkil 12/08/17 4:22:17 PM #23: |
I still don't understand why the "I have an (X) friend" argument doesn't work.
It doesn't mean what you say isn't stupid, but it would likely mean you're not racist/homophobic/whatever. Not just because you as a person are overlooking their sexuality/skin color/whatever but because I sincerely doubt a black dude would want to be friends with an actual racist. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:22:49 PM #24: |
Smarkil posted...
I still don't understand why the "I have an (X) friend" argument doesn't work. I have zero friends, I'm not... Satan --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dikitain 12/08/17 4:23:48 PM #25: |
Rockies posted...
Dikitain posted...I think Jon is the victim of the modern trend of "if you don't agree with me 100% then you are a racist/homophobe/bigot/etc." To be frank, those people do the exact same thing. The only reason he is getting so much hate is because the people who disagree with him are more vocal then the people who can separate the artist from his viewpoints. Discussing any kind of politics is pointless because it is the thing that turns most people into close minded lemmings who will stay in their echo chambers no matter what you throw at them. And that is true no matter what side of the spectrum you are on. It is much better to just say "I don't agree, but oh well" and leave it at that. --- I am a senior software engineer. If you see me post here, I am tired of writing TPS reports. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rockies 12/08/17 4:25:59 PM #26: |
Smarkil posted...
I still don't understand why the "I have an (X) friend" argument doesn't work. Because it's reducing racial issues to individual relationships rather than a larger societal problem. I mean, yeah, an actual neo-Nazi or KKK member probably isn't capable of having black friends, but there are different levels of racism. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smarkil 12/08/17 4:29:17 PM #27: |
Rockies posted...
Smarkil posted...I still don't understand why the "I have an (X) friend" argument doesn't work. As far as I'm concerned, racism only matters when it actually affects your actions. If Jontron didn't hire a black guy because he was black? Yeah, he's definitely a racist. But if he just wants to spout out disingenuous statistics that don't imply any action taken? Not really a racist, but certainly misguided. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmokeMassTree 12/08/17 4:30:07 PM #28: |
Who the fuck (ugh okay gamefaqs) ((read this in a McGregor accent)) is that guy and what did he say
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Rockies 12/08/17 4:34:14 PM #29: |
Smarkil posted...
As far as I'm concerned, racism only matters when it actually affects your actions. If Jontron didn't hire a black guy because he was black? Yeah, he's definitely a racist. But if he just wants to spout out disingenuous statistics that don't imply any action taken? Not really a racist, but certainly misguided. But most individual racists don't affect much directly unless they're killing people, denying them employment, etc. That still doesn't make it okay because they vote and might affect how other people vote. If Jontron goes and votes for people who make decisions because of disingenuous statistics, I personally think that's a concern. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:37:26 PM #30: |
Smarkil posted...
As far as I'm concerned, racism only matters when it actually affects your actions. If Jontron didn't hire a black guy because he was black? Yeah, he's definitely a racist. But if he just wants to spout out disingenuous statistics that don't imply any action taken? Not really a racist, but certainly misguided. yeah see the problem here is jontron is a big public figure with a large audience of mostly impressionable young people. your buddy at work spouting racist shit is easy enough to ignore, this dude is very likely poisoning the minds of young people --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:39:06 PM #31: |
Are you against fascism? Yes? Then you are automatically a member of Antifa
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:40:50 PM #32: |
Lokarin posted...
Are you against fascism? Yes? Then you are automatically a member of Antifa look at him, he's a shell of a man the effects of redpilling, folks --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:43:00 PM #33: |
Nightengale posted...
Lokarin posted...Are you against fascism? Yes? Then you are automatically a member of Antifa I don't know what redpilling or gaslighting is, plz explain. And I don't mean that in a sarcastic way, I was far-left before the far-left was appropriated by authoritarians. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:43:25 PM #34: |
both of those terms can easily be googled. you're a big boy you can handle this
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Rockies 12/08/17 4:43:46 PM #35: |
Lokarin still posts left-wing opinions (I think), but his whole shtick is annoying. It's just mindless contrarian pot-stirring, he really should just stick to posting about obscure things in games
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:44:08 PM #36: |
Nightengale posted...
both of those terms can easily be googled. you're a big boy you can handle this So basically, "educate yourself" Go figure --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:44:50 PM #37: |
no i just don't feel like spending my time typing shit out for you when you probably won't pay attention to it anyway
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:46:07 PM #38: |
Nightengale posted...
no i just don't feel like spending my time typing shit out for you when you probably won't pay attention to it anyway I pay attention to lots of things, I'm the man behind the keyhole - LAAAASER vision, tiny field of view --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:46:10 PM #39: |
Rockies posted...
Lokarin still posts left-wing opinions (I think) i think he just doesn't have any consistent political opinions because he doesn't participate in society --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Andromicus 12/08/17 4:46:44 PM #40: |
Rockies posted...
Lokarin still posts left-wing opinions (I think), but his whole shtick is annoying. It's just mindless contrarian pot-stirring, he really should just stick to posting about obscure things in games Bring back the old Lok ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rockies 12/08/17 4:46:53 PM #41: |
That's not true, he's putting some Domino's employee through college buying $80 pizzas
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:46:54 PM #42: |
Nightengale posted...
i think he just doesn't have any consistent political opinions because he doesn't participate in society You can AMA me if you want, I'm always open to public conversation and debate about any subject. Rockies posted... That's not true, he's putting some Domino's employee through college buying $80 pizzas And that's how much they cost! I've provided receipts even --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:47:38 PM #43: |
Rockies posted...
That's not true, he's putting some Domino's employee through college buying $80 pizzas you know i'm actually convinced there's just some alberta-wide conspiracy because here in ontario i get like $7 large pizzas all the time --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 12/08/17 4:49:51 PM #44: |
Nightengale posted...
Luckily Dominos does a 50% coupon here quite often, putting the 12" pizza at $8.50 --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nightengale 12/08/17 4:51:54 PM #45: |
they always replace the $5.99 medium with a $6.99 large, which is annoying because sometimes i just want a medium
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