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ThePrinceFish
12/04/17 4:27:58 PM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-allows-full-enforcement-of-trump-travel-ban/

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court is allowing the Trump administration to fully enforce a ban on travel to the United States by residents of six mostly Muslim countries.

The justices say in an order Monday that the policy can take full effect even as legal challenges against it make their way through the courts.

The ban applies to travelers from Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen. Lower courts had said people from those nations with a claim of a "bona fide" relationship with someone in the United States could not be kept out of the country. Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor would have left the lower court orders in place.


It's almost like the President of the United States is well within his rights.
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12/04/17 4:28:47 PM
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Capn Circus
12/04/17 4:29:25 PM
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Great news.
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Going_Deep_08
12/04/17 4:29:47 PM
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Also North Korea...who has nukes and ICBMs...which is serious.
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Irony
12/04/17 4:30:23 PM
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When has anything the SC said ever been enforced?
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mario2000
12/04/17 4:30:40 PM
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yay for xenophobia!
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Giant_Aspirin
12/04/17 4:30:41 PM
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Repulsive.
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Webmaster4531
12/04/17 4:31:08 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

That's different from the original, if I remember correctly, making your title wrong.
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Sir Will
12/04/17 4:32:05 PM
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Guess they're consistent. Islamaphobia ok, homophopbia ok.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-04/houston-rebuffed-by-supreme-court-on-same-sex-benefits-policy
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HiddenRoar
12/04/17 4:35:18 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

That's different from the original, if I remember correctly, making your title wrong.


That's more of an issue with CBS, ABC, etc. than with TC, since it's just copy and pasting.

I mean, unless you're going to contact those news orgs. that put it out like that, it seems moot to blame TC.
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cerealbox760
12/04/17 4:37:52 PM
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Less religion=winning.
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Waluigi7
12/04/17 4:38:07 PM
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Why those six countries?
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ThePrinceFish
12/04/17 4:38:35 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

That's different from the original, if I remember correctly, making your title wrong.

If Ginsburg and Sotomayor got their way, you would be correct.

Luckily they are just two ultra liberal obstructionists.
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Webmaster4531
12/04/17 4:39:05 PM
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HiddenRoar posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

That's different from the original, if I remember correctly, making your title wrong.


That's more of an issue with CBS, ABC, etc. than with TC, since it's just copy and pasting.

I mean, unless you're going to contact those news orgs. that put it out like that, it seems moot to blame TC.

A little critical thinking from anyone(news orgs/TC) isn't too much to ask.
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mario2000
12/04/17 4:41:02 PM
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Waluigi7 posted...
Why those six countries?

becuz mooselimbs
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s0nicfan
12/04/17 4:41:07 PM
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Waluigi7 posted...
Why those six countries?


Because they have no functional central government with which the US can verify and vet potential refugees. Those countries are such pits of lawlessness that it's effectively impossible to prove that someone claiming to be from there is, in fact, from there.

EDIT: That is why the Obama administration selected those 6 countries originally.
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Webmaster4531
12/04/17 4:41:27 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

That's different from the original, if I remember correctly, making your title wrong.

If Ginsburg and Sotomayor got their way, you would be correct.

Luckily they are just two ultra liberal obstructionists.

Oh, so that was struck down? You chose a weird portion to quote.
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ThePrinceFish
12/04/17 4:44:03 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

That's different from the original, if I remember correctly, making your title wrong.

If Ginsburg and Sotomayor got their way, you would be correct.

Luckily they are just two ultra liberal obstructionists.

Oh, so that was struck down? You chose a weird portion to quote.

I quoted the entirety of what was in the breaking article when I accessed it. It's not my fault you read the challenges from the lower courts after being told that the challenges will not apply and fail to square that away in your head.

Maybe some critical thinking?
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Capn Circus
12/04/17 5:04:24 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

That's different from the original, if I remember correctly, making your title wrong.

If Ginsburg and Sotomayor got their way, you would be correct.

Luckily they are just two ultra liberal obstructionists.

Oh, so that was struck down? You chose a weird portion to quote.

I quoted the entirety of what was in the breaking article when I accessed it. It's not my fault you read the challenges from the lower courts after being told that the challenges will not apply and fail to square that away in your head.

Maybe some critical thinking?


Got em.
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Capn Circus
12/04/17 5:07:11 PM
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mario2000 posted...
Waluigi7 posted...
Why those six countries?

becuz mooselimbs


You realize you're making fun of how many Muslims pronounce their own religion, right?

Very intolerant
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DifferentialEquation
12/04/17 5:07:52 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Great news.

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P4wn4g3
12/04/17 5:10:59 PM
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Are you trying to say that a republican hijacked supreme Court would support the Republican ideals of racism and xenophobia? Oh my. The surprise I am feeling right now.
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Letron_James
12/04/17 5:12:25 PM
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Nice

One step closer to having a full blown Fascist government, maybe one Trump cans Mueller and beheads him in Public we can go full blown North Korea
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_RETS_
12/04/17 5:13:35 PM
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Letron_James posted...
Nice

One step closer to having a full blown Fascist government, maybe one Trump cans Mueller and beheads him in Public we can go full blown North Korea


Please explain how this is a step in that direction.
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KhlavicLanguage
12/04/17 5:14:12 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Because they have no functional central government with which the US can verify and vet potential refugees. Those countries are such pits of lawlessness that it's effectively impossible to prove that someone claiming to be from there is, in fact, from there.

as far as iran goes you're literally clueless
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ThePrinceFish
12/04/17 5:15:03 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Are you trying to say that a republican hijacked supreme Court would support the Republican ideals of racism and xenophobia? Oh my. The surprise I am feeling right now.

Odd that Kagan and Breyer didn't stand with Sotomayor and Ginsburg if this is what you're going with.
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Tropicalwood
12/04/17 5:16:14 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Because they have no functional central government with which the US can verify and vet potential refugees. Those countries are such pits of lawlessness that it's effectively impossible to prove that someone claiming to be from there is, in fact, from there.

as far as iran goes you're literally clueless

Iran is a dictatorship
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P4wn4g3
12/04/17 5:19:14 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Are you trying to say that a republican hijacked supreme Court would support the Republican ideals of racism and xenophobia? Oh my. The surprise I am feeling right now.

Odd that Kagan and Breyer didn't stand with Sotomayor and Ginsburg if this is what you're going with.

I mean, they have to save face where they can you know.
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Re-iNcarnated
12/04/17 5:20:56 PM
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The ban applies to travelers from Chad


Trump confirmed afraid of Chad.
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Capn Circus
12/04/17 5:22:10 PM
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Letron_James posted...
Nice

One step closer to having a full blown Fascist government, maybe one Trump cans Mueller and beheads him in Public we can go full blown North Korea


Its in the constitution that presidents can decide who comes in. No need for theatrics
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ChainedRedone
12/04/17 5:22:44 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
KhlavicLanguage posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Because they have no functional central government with which the US can verify and vet potential refugees. Those countries are such pits of lawlessness that it's effectively impossible to prove that someone claiming to be from there is, in fact, from there.

as far as iran goes you're literally clueless

Iran is a dictatorship


L-o-l

So that makes it justifiable? Do you know how many dictatorships aren't banned, ya ignant?
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hockeybub89
12/04/17 5:22:50 PM
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I'll take this ban seriously as soon as Saudi Arabia becomes a part of it. I guess Syria and Chad just need to become valuable to us and they'll find their way off the list. This is just half-assed virtue signaling trying to score brownie points with some of our worst and dullest.
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Tropicalwood
12/04/17 5:25:43 PM
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ChainedRedone posted...
L-o-l

So that makes it justifiable? Do you know how many dictatorships aren't banned, ya ignant?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

Let's not forget that North Korea was banned by Trump.

But please, continue defending Iran, it really helps your cause.
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12/04/17 5:29:09 PM
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mario2000
12/04/17 5:34:26 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Letron_James posted...
Nice

One step closer to having a full blown Fascist government, maybe one Trump cans Mueller and beheads him in Public we can go full blown North Korea


Its in the constitution that presidents can decide who comes in. No need for theatrics

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/01/here_are_all_the_parts_of_the_constitution_trump_s_muslim_ban_violates.html
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Capn Circus
12/04/17 5:42:19 PM
#36:


mario2000 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Letron_James posted...
Nice

One step closer to having a full blown Fascist government, maybe one Trump cans Mueller and beheads him in Public we can go full blown North Korea


Its in the constitution that presidents can decide who comes in. No need for theatrics

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/01/here_are_all_the_parts_of_the_constitution_trump_s_muslim_ban_violates.html


Lol, you want me to believe Slate over the Supreme Court? You've got to be joking
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mario2000
12/05/17 11:30:38 AM
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Capn Circus posted...
mario2000 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Letron_James posted...
Nice

One step closer to having a full blown Fascist government, maybe one Trump cans Mueller and beheads him in Public we can go full blown North Korea


Its in the constitution that presidents can decide who comes in. No need for theatrics

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/01/here_are_all_the_parts_of_the_constitution_trump_s_muslim_ban_violates.html


Lol, you want me to believe Slate over the Supreme Court? You've got to be joking

Point out specifically what you disagree with.
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_Near_
12/05/17 11:38:37 AM
#39:


Asherlee10 posted...
I saw on Reddit that this isn't the actual SCOTUS ruling, but a temporary "okay" while the travel ban is in litigation (or is it junction?).


You are correct. The Supreme Court lifted an injunction, it didn't rule on the constitutionality of the case per se. Injunctions have an extremely high burden of proof (with the notion that irreparable damage will be done if the law isn't stopped prematurely). Honestly, the fact that the original travel ban was struck down this way is a testament to how shitty it was. Most requests for injunctions don't succeed.

So, the travel ban isn't out of the woods yet. The legal challenges will make their way through the proper channels and the constitutionality of the travel ban will be litigated in full.
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Bloodychess
12/05/17 11:44:37 AM
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Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor would have left the lower court orders in place.


A 7-2 decision is pretty convincing. I'd love to see a summary of the dissenting side's judgment.
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s0nicfan
12/05/17 11:46:26 AM
#42:


mario2000 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
mario2000 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Letron_James posted...
Nice

One step closer to having a full blown Fascist government, maybe one Trump cans Mueller and beheads him in Public we can go full blown North Korea


Its in the constitution that presidents can decide who comes in. No need for theatrics

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/01/here_are_all_the_parts_of_the_constitution_trump_s_muslim_ban_violates.html


Lol, you want me to believe Slate over the Supreme Court? You've got to be joking

Point out specifically what you disagree with.


Why not start with the part where the article calls it Trump's "Muslim Ban"?
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OpheliaAdenade
12/05/17 11:51:36 AM
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the travel ban is probably for the best all things considered. :v it just peeves me that Trump intentionally left his business partner's countries off the list despite them being just as risky.
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mario2000
12/05/17 11:59:49 AM
#44:


s0nicfan posted...
mario2000 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
mario2000 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Letron_James posted...
Nice

One step closer to having a full blown Fascist government, maybe one Trump cans Mueller and beheads him in Public we can go full blown North Korea


Its in the constitution that presidents can decide who comes in. No need for theatrics

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/01/here_are_all_the_parts_of_the_constitution_trump_s_muslim_ban_violates.html


Lol, you want me to believe Slate over the Supreme Court? You've got to be joking

Point out specifically what you disagree with.


Why not start with the part where the article calls it Trump's "Muslim Ban"?

What is incorrect about that statement?
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Mal_Fet
12/05/17 12:14:16 PM
#45:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
the travel ban is probably for the best all things considered. :v it just peeves me that Trump intentionally left his business partner's countries off the list despite them being just as risky.

He didn't leave them out. The countries on the ban were all listed by the Obama administration as being especially prone to produce terrorists.

Ain't Trump's fault the countries with his property weren't included in Obama's list
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OpheliaAdenade
12/05/17 12:24:24 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
the travel ban is probably for the best all things considered. :v it just peeves me that Trump intentionally left his business partner's countries off the list despite them being just as risky.

He didn't leave them out. The countries on the ban were all listed by the Obama administration as being especially prone to produce terrorists.

Ain't Trump's fault the countries with his property weren't included in Obama's list


why didn't he revise the list instead of just copying Obama's homework? :u
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marc55
12/05/17 12:24:55 PM
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is this the ban that prevented a woman from traveling to the US to save her sister s life with a transplant ?

she was a 100% match

maybe this was solved by now it was a long time ago
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s0nicfan
12/05/17 12:46:42 PM
#48:


mario2000 posted...
What is incorrect about that statement?


The part where it includes non-muslims.
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mario2000
12/05/17 12:58:23 PM
#49:


s0nicfan posted...
mario2000 posted...
What is incorrect about that statement?


The part where it includes non-muslims.

What does that have to do with the travel ban's intent?
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/05/17 1:02:26 PM
#50:


Sweeeeeet!

Good on him.
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