Poll of the Day > I just don't understand how various politicians could sell themselves out.

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WastelandCowboy 12/03/17 11:18:16 PM #1:	I understand the need to provide for your family and future, but to sell yourself out to corporations, other politicians, the rich, and whatever else comes knocking at their door? How could they live with themselves after accepting money from companies that only cares about their own pockets, their realm of power, and no-one else? How could they live with their self about taking money from men and women who only want to give the option of calling in future favors if/when they need them? How much money will it take to finally say they have enough? How much money would they be willing to sell their pride and dignity for? What would their spouse, children, and family say if they knew what their father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandfather, grandmother, etc did for money? Money is cheap and plentiful, but you only have so much dignity and pride and when it's gone, it's gone. You can't just sell yourself out and then do some good deeds like donating to the poor when it's convenient - absolving yourself of your foul deeds like dirt on your hands. Much less, what would their god say, assuming they are religious? Would they approve of these deeds, knowing how much chaos and/or suffering they brought? Would they be able to keep living, knowing that they might not be allowed into whatever afterlife they believe in? Or would they just pray to their god, ask for forgiveness for their misdeeds, and expect everything to be good with their soul? Note: Much of this topic is rhetorical so read it with a dash of salt and smidge of edge? <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891546378] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>I understand the need to provide for your family and future, but to sell yourself out to corporations, other politicians, the rich, and whatever else comes knocking at their door? How could they live with themselves after accepting money from companies that only cares about their own pockets, their realm of power, and no-one else? How could they live with their self about taking money from men and women who only want to give the option of calling in future favors if/when they need them? How much money will it take to finally say they have enough? How much money would they be willing to sell their pride and dignity for? What would their spouse, children, and family say if they knew what their father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandfather, grandmother, etc did for money? Money is cheap and plentiful, but you only have so much dignity and pride and when it's gone, it's gone. You can't just sell yourself out and then do some good deeds like donating to the poor when it's convenient - absolving yourself of your foul deeds like dirt on your hands. Much less, what would their god say, assuming they are religious? Would they approve of these deeds, knowing how much chaos and/or suffering they brought? Would they be able to keep living, knowing that they might not be allowed into whatever afterlife they believe in? Or would they just pray to their god, ask for forgiveness for their misdeeds, and expect everything to be good with their soul? Note: Much of this topic is rhetorical so read it with a dash of salt and smidge of edge?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
minervo 12/03/17 11:21:08 PM #2:	It takes courage to face a bribe and say no. Sometimes it might cost you your life. <cite>minervo posted [p:891546523] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>It takes courage to face a bribe and say no. Sometimes it might cost you your life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TigerTycoon 12/03/17 11:54:30 PM #3:	Being a politician is how they make a living, so they do whatever they can to profit the most. Even if you wanted to make a positive difference, in all likelihood, you needed to compromise a lot of principles and morals to get enough funding to succeed at being a politician in the first place, as even if you refuse to your opponents won't. So by the time you are in a place of reasonable power, you compromised any principles and morals you might have had at one point already, and decided to keep doing so because that's just how the system works. The exception to these rules are the minority of already wealthy who become politicians and cannot be influenced with money or threatened or controlled by larger parties, as honestly, being a politician isn't at all that profitable and is a huge hassle if you were already very wealthy. If you wanted to controls politics you could do it much more easily while staying out of the spotlight like most corporations do already. WastelandCowboy posted... How could they live with themselves after accepting money from companies that only cares about their own pockets, their realm of power, and no-one else? How could they live with their self about taking money from men and women who only want to give the option of calling in future favors if/when they need them? What would their spouse, children, and family say if they knew what their father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandfather, grandmother, etc did for money? While I in no way endorse the actions of these politicians, you say this like politicians are the only ones who compromised their morals in exchange for profit and self gain. You want to be honest, most people would choose to have money and be corrupt than be poor and pure. How many people would turn their parents/spouse into the police if they financially provided for them? Which do you think is more important to most people, "the greater good", or themselves and their family? Let's say you call the cops on your family members who are corrupt politicians, you are now broke, lost all your friends and allies, and you have not changed the corrupt political landscape one tiny bit. --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! <cite>TigerTycoon posted [p:891548380] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>Being a politician is how they make a living, so they do whatever they can to profit the most. Even if you wanted to make a positive difference, in all likelihood, you needed to compromise a lot of principles and morals to get enough funding to succeed at being a politician in the first place, as even if you refuse to your opponents won't. So by the time you are in a place of reasonable power, you compromised any principles and morals you might have had at one point already, and decided to keep doing so because that's just how the system works. The exception to these rules are the minority of already wealthy who become politicians and cannot be influenced with money or threatened or controlled by larger parties, as honestly, being a politician isn't at all that profitable and is a huge hassle if you were already very wealthy. If you wanted to controls politics you could do it much more easily while staying out of the spotlight like most corporations do already. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>How could they live with themselves after accepting money from companies that only cares about their own pockets, their realm of power, and no-one else? How could they live with their self about taking money from men and women who only want to give the option of calling in future favors if/when they need them? What would their spouse, children, and family say if they knew what their father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandfather, grandmother, etc did for money? </quote> While I in no way endorse the actions of these politicians, you say this like politicians are the only ones who compromised their morals in exchange for profit and self gain. You want to be honest, most people would choose to have money and be corrupt than be poor and pure. How many people would turn their parents/spouse into the police if they financially provided for them? Which do you think is more important to most people, "the greater good", or themselves and their family? Let's say you call the cops on your family members who are corrupt politicians, you are now broke, lost all your friends and allies, and you have not changed the corrupt political landscape one tiny bit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/03/17 11:58:59 PM #4:	I wouldn't turn in my family or close friends. But maybe certain co-workers... but only a certain few... --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:891548587] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't turn in my family or close friends. But maybe certain co-workers... but only a certain few...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/04/17 1:09:38 AM #5:	I expect better from Wasteland than a shitpost like this, which almost implies that the taking of any money entails selling out. Likewise, the only special interests he seems to see are corporations and the rich despite the fact there are countless other special interests out there -- ones he no doubt approves of -- which also buy influence and care only for themselves (the very WORST in this regard being teachers unions which care about their interests while fucking over kids, figuratively and literally). Likewise, the short-sighted WC ignores that politicians can get money from organizations with which they agree -- if you like guns, why wouldn't you take money from the NRA, for instance? If you like abortion, why wouldn't you take a payoff from Planned Parenthood? If you feel that nuclear energy is the best available energy source, wouldn't you seek out donors who feel the same? WastelandCowboy posted... Note: Much of this topic is rhetorical so read it with a dash of salt and smidge of edge? It reads as nothing short of the half-baked ravings of an angsty teen in high school full of overzealous idealism but lacking in everything else. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891551286] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>I expect better from Wasteland than a shitpost like this, which almost implies that the taking of any money entails selling out. Likewise, the only special interests he seems to see are corporations and the rich despite the fact there are countless other special interests out there -- ones he no doubt approves of -- which also buy influence and care only for themselves (the very WORST in this regard being teachers unions which care about their interests while fucking over kids, figuratively and literally). Likewise, the short-sighted WC ignores that politicians can get money from organizations with which they agree -- if you like guns, why wouldn't you take money from the NRA, for instance? If you like abortion, why wouldn't you take a payoff from Planned Parenthood? If you feel that nuclear energy is the best available energy source, wouldn't you seek out donors who feel the same? <cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Note: Much of this topic is rhetorical so read it with a dash of salt and smidge of edge?</quote> It reads as nothing short of the half-baked ravings of an angsty teen in high school full of overzealous idealism but lacking in everything else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 12/04/17 12:36:30 PM #7:	minervo posted... It takes courage to face a bribe and say no. Sometimes it might cost you your life. But it's just money - not a blood contract to kill someone. I doubt any of them are facing a gun being held to their head when they're offered this money. Maybe the NRA or one of the bureaus, lol. TigerTycoon posted... Being a politician is how they make a living, so they do whatever they can to profit the most. Even if you wanted to make a positive difference, in all likelihood, you needed to compromise a lot of principles and morals to get enough funding to succeed at being a politician in the first place, as even if you refuse to your opponents won't. So by the time you are in a place of reasonable power, you compromised any principles and morals you might have had at one point already, and decided to keep doing so because that's just how the system works. The exception to these rules are the minority of already wealthy who become politicians and cannot be influenced with money or threatened or controlled by larger parties, as honestly, being a politician isn't at all that profitable and is a huge hassle if you were already very wealthy. If you wanted to controls politics you could do it much more easily while staying out of the spotlight like most corporations do already. While I in no way endorse the actions of these politicians, you say this like politicians are the only ones who compromised their morals in exchange for profit and self gain. Makes 100% sense. It's just bullshit how politicians have to take bribes and "donations" from organizations, corporations, other politicians, and others just so they have a chance at being elected/reelected. It's dirty politics. I understand where you're coming from. I did come off a little biased in my original post and I do see that this is the main source of income for politicians and that politicians are not the only ones to blame for this. Like I said, it's just bullshit how this is the status-quo. Status-quos are meant to be changed. TigerTycoon posted... You want to be honest, most people would choose to have money and be corrupt than be poor and pure. How many people would turn their parents/spouse into the police if they financially provided for them? Which do you think is more important to most people, "the greater good", or themselves and their family? Let's say you call the cops on your family members who are corrupt politicians, you are now broke, lost all your friends and allies, and you have not changed the corrupt political landscape one tiny bit. Honestly, I would be very interested to see the statistics behind this. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't turn in their family and loved ones, but I'm also sure that there's a good percentage that would. I understand that if they were to turn their loved ones after discovering that they were bought out that they'd be ostracized and shunned. Nobody wants to be associated with someone who stood against family and loved ones and tattled to the police, hence the phrase "snitches get stitches". However, this wouldn't be an issue if they weren't corrupt to begin with which boils down to the issue where corruption and being bought-out shouldn't be part of being a politician. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891571354] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>minervo posted...</cite> <quote>It takes courage to face a bribe and say no. Sometimes it might cost you your life.</quote> But it's just money - not a blood contract to kill someone. I doubt any of them are facing a gun being held to their head when they're offered this money. Maybe the NRA or one of the bureaus, lol. <cite>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>Being a politician is how they make a living, so they do whatever they can to profit the most. Even if you wanted to make a positive difference, in all likelihood, you needed to compromise a lot of principles and morals to get enough funding to succeed at being a politician in the first place, as even if you refuse to your opponents won't. So by the time you are in a place of reasonable power, you compromised any principles and morals you might have had at one point already, and decided to keep doing so because that's just how the system works. The exception to these rules are the minority of already wealthy who become politicians and cannot be influenced with money or threatened or controlled by larger parties, as honestly, being a politician isn't at all that profitable and is a huge hassle if you were already very wealthy. If you wanted to controls politics you could do it much more easily while staying out of the spotlight like most corporations do already. While I in no way endorse the actions of these politicians, you say this like politicians are the only ones who compromised their morals in exchange for profit and self gain.</quote> Makes 100% sense. It's just bullshit how politicians have to take bribes and "donations" from organizations, corporations, other politicians, and others just so they have a chance at being elected/reelected. It's dirty politics. I understand where you're coming from. I did come off a little biased in my original post and I do see that this is the main source of income for politicians and that politicians are not the only ones to blame for this. Like I said, it's just bullshit how this is the status-quo. Status-quos are meant to be changed. <cite>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>You want to be honest, most people would choose to have money and be corrupt than be poor and pure. How many people would turn their parents/spouse into the police if they financially provided for them? Which do you think is more important to most people, "the greater good", or themselves and their family? Let's say you call the cops on your family members who are corrupt politicians, you are now broke, lost all your friends and allies, and you have not changed the corrupt political landscape one tiny bit.</quote> Honestly, I would be very interested to see the statistics behind this. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't turn in their family and loved ones, but I'm also sure that there's a good percentage that would. I understand that if they were to turn their loved ones after discovering that they were bought out that they'd be ostracized and shunned. Nobody wants to be associated with someone who stood against family and loved ones and tattled to the police, hence the phrase "snitches get stitches". However, this wouldn't be an issue if they weren't corrupt to begin with which boils down to the issue where corruption and being bought-out shouldn't be part of being a politician.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 12/04/17 12:37:42 PM #8:	WastelandCowboy posted... But it's just money - not a blood contract to kill someone. I doubt any of them are facing a gun being held to their head when they're offered this money. Maybe the NRA or one of the bureaus, lol. How fucking out of touch are you with the influence of the Clinton-Obama crime family on modern US politics? <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:891571410] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>But it's just money - not a blood contract to kill someone. I doubt any of them are facing a gun being held to their head when they're offered this money. Maybe the NRA or one of the bureaus, lol.</quote> How fucking out of touch are you with the influence of the Clinton-Obama crime family on modern US politics?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 12/04/17 12:49:34 PM #9:	Blightzkrieg posted... WastelandCowboy posted... But it's just money - not a blood contract to kill someone. I doubt any of them are facing a gun being held to their head when they're offered this money. Maybe the NRA or one of the bureaus, lol. How fucking out of touch are you with the influence of the Clinton-Obama crime family on modern US politics? You say this like the Bushes and Trump didn't do anything on modern US politics either. Different administrations brought their own agendas. This goes back centuries. I'm not debating this. I'm just pointing out that it's ridiculous how this corruption and buying-out of politicians is the status-quo. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891572021] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blightzkrieg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>But it's just money - not a blood contract to kill someone. I doubt any of them are facing a gun being held to their head when they're offered this money. Maybe the NRA or one of the bureaus, lol.</quote> How fucking out of touch are you with the influence of the Clinton-Obama crime family on modern US politics?</quote> You say this like the Bushes and Trump didn't do anything on modern US politics either. Different administrations brought their own agendas. This goes back centuries. I'm not debating this. I'm just pointing out that it's ridiculous how this corruption and buying-out of politicians is the status-quo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 12/04/17 1:31:18 PM #10:	It's simple. If they don't do the deal then they know they could be replaced with someone they think is worse. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNrfHP9W0AAQK_s.jpg:large <cite>Yellow posted [p:891574245] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>It's simple. If they don't do the deal then they know they could be replaced with someone they think is worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/04/17 1:38:39 PM #11:	Im sure they dont wake up and decide to be terrible But when some lobbyist approaches them and is like hey we need this passed, people wont like it, but weve convinced most of your party to vote yes. We want you to vote yes and well donate $50k towards your re-election next year Then they have to decide whether to take easy money and stick with their party, or do something admirable and likely end their politics career if their party turns on them. The lobbyists are the problem and until we outlaw their bribery politicians will be motivated to cater to their best interests and not working Americans. --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:891574633] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>Im sure they dont wake up and decide to be terrible But when some lobbyist approaches them and is like hey we need this passed, people wont like it, but weve convinced most of your party to vote yes. We want you to vote yes and well donate $50k towards your re-election next year Then they have to decide whether to take easy money and stick with their party, or do something admirable and likely end their politics career if their party turns on them. The lobbyists are the problem and until we outlaw their bribery politicians will be motivated to cater to their best interests and not working Americans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 12/04/17 8:30:04 PM #12:	Yellow posted... It's simple. If they don't do the deal then they know they could be replaced with someone they think is worse. So peer pressure? Mead posted... Im sure they dont wake up and decide to be terrible But when some lobbyist approaches them and is like hey we need this passed, people wont like it, but weve convinced most of your party to vote yes. We want you to vote yes and well donate $50k towards your re-election next year Then they have to decide whether to take easy money and stick with their party, or do something admirable and likely end their politics career if their party turns on them. The lobbyists are the problem and until we outlaw their bribery politicians will be motivated to cater to their best interests and not working Americans. So, again, peer pressure? What I find baffling is the idea of their political career ending if their party turns on them. I understand it, but it's ridiculous that this is possible. People shouldn't be afraid to stand out from the majority and do something that their party abhors. Republicans and Democrats aren't just solid reds and blues, but reds and blues with different shades and hues. (Rhyme intentional). And I agree. Lobbyists suck. It's unfortunate that the act of lobbying for something, will, probably, never be outlawed. I would actually be very surprised if lobbying is ever outlawed, at least, while I'm still alive. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891599222] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yellow posted...</cite> <quote>It's simple. If they don't do the deal then they know they could be replaced with someone they think is worse.</quote> So peer pressure? <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Im sure they dont wake up and decide to be terrible But when some lobbyist approaches them and is like hey we need this passed, people wont like it, but weve convinced most of your party to vote yes. We want you to vote yes and well donate $50k towards your re-election next year Then they have to decide whether to take easy money and stick with their party, or do something admirable and likely end their politics career if their party turns on them. The lobbyists are the problem and until we outlaw their bribery politicians will be motivated to cater to their best interests and not working Americans.</quote> So, again, peer pressure? What I find baffling is the idea of their political career ending if their party turns on them. I understand it, but it's ridiculous that this is possible. People shouldn't be afraid to stand out from the majority and do something that their party abhors. Republicans and Democrats aren't just solid reds and blues, but reds and blues with different shades and hues. (Rhyme intentional). And I agree. Lobbyists suck. It's unfortunate that the act of lobbying for something, will, probably, never be outlawed. I would actually be very surprised if lobbying is ever outlawed, at least, while I'm still alive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/04/17 8:51:16 PM #13:	When did WC become NMB? Was it a subtle change over time or has he always been this bad? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891600515] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>When did WC become NMB? Was it a subtle change over time or has he always been this bad?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 12/07/17 1:00:28 AM #14:	Bump <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891736015] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>Bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/07/17 1:05:13 AM #15:	minervo posted... It takes courage to face a bribe and say no. Sometimes it might cost you your life. There hasn't been an incorruptible politician since Teddy Roosevelt, and even that is doubtful. Also he was shot in the chest and lived anyway. Gave a speech soon afterwords, while still bleeding. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891736186] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>minervo posted...</cite> <quote>It takes courage to face a bribe and say no. Sometimes it might cost you your life.</quote> There hasn't been an incorruptible politician since Teddy Roosevelt, and even that is doubtful. Also he was shot in the chest and lived anyway. Gave a speech soon afterwords, while still bleeding.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarGreymon77 12/07/17 1:54:57 AM #16:	I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. Unfortunately, too many people in Washington prefer to play the game rather than rock the boat like Trump did. --- Creator of the brand new Digimon: Digital Monsters community board https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1430-digimon-digital-monsters <cite>WarGreymon77 posted [p:891737862] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. Unfortunately, too many people in Washington prefer to play the game rather than rock the boat like Trump did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/07/17 1:56:41 AM #17:	WarGreymon77 posted... I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. I'm technically a trillionaire, several times over, by holding a handful of Zimbabwe notes. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891737919] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>WarGreymon77 posted...</cite> <quote>I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed.</quote> I'm technically a trillionaire, several times over, by holding a handful of Zimbabwe notes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/07/17 2:25:10 AM #18:	Questionmarktarius posted... minervo posted... It takes courage to face a bribe and say no. Sometimes it might cost you your life. There hasn't been an incorruptible politician since Teddy Roosevelt, and even that is doubtful. Also he was shot in the chest and lived anyway. Gave a speech soon afterwords, while still bleeding. It's reckless and irresponsible to conflate campaign contributions with bribes >_> Otherwise, in terms of people abusing their post for personal advantage, that pretty much goes back to the beginning. Hamilton used his position to make his friends and family very, very rich (but may have died in debt thanks to land speculation). Basically it was the kind of horsetrading Washington was known for -- "Give me your votes and I'll appoint your nephew to ___." Which, of course, shouldn't necessarily be conflated with political donations (granted, the worst of the bad-faith actors are always the groups that WC would likely defend -- like unions, etc) --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891738747] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>minervo posted...</cite> <quote>It takes courage to face a bribe and say no. Sometimes it might cost you your life.</quote> There hasn't been an incorruptible politician since Teddy Roosevelt, and even that is doubtful. Also he was shot in the chest and lived anyway. Gave a speech soon afterwords, while still bleeding.</quote> It's reckless and irresponsible to conflate campaign contributions with bribes >_> Otherwise, in terms of people abusing their post for personal advantage, that pretty much goes back to the beginning. Hamilton used his position to make his friends and family very, very rich (but may have died in debt thanks to land speculation). Basically it was the kind of horsetrading Washington was known for -- "Give me your votes and I'll appoint your nephew to ___." Which, of course, shouldn't necessarily be conflated with political donations (granted, the worst of the bad-faith actors are always the groups that WC would likely defend -- like unions, etc)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/07/17 2:27:45 AM #19:	Zeus posted... Hamilton Earlier than that. John Adams was a rampant asshole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891738819] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Hamilton</quote> Earlier than that. John Adams was a rampant asshole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarGreymon77 12/07/17 2:30:57 AM #20:	Questionmarktarius posted... WarGreymon77 posted... I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. I'm technically a trillionaire, several times over, by holding a handful of Zimbabwe notes. So you're super rich? --- Creator of the brand new Digimon: Digital Monsters community board https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1430-digimon-digital-monsters <cite>WarGreymon77 posted [p:891738914] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WarGreymon77 posted...</cite> <quote>I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed.</quote> I'm technically a trillionaire, several times over, by holding a handful of Zimbabwe notes.</quote> So you're super rich?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/07/17 2:36:52 AM #21:	WarGreymon77 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... WarGreymon77 posted... I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. I'm technically a trillionaire, several times over, by holding a handful of Zimbabwe notes. So you're super rich? I think my entire Zimbabwe currency hoard is worth about eleven US dollars nowadays. The rarest note I have is the ZWD $1. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891739076] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>WarGreymon77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WarGreymon77 posted...</cite> <quote>I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed.</quote> I'm technically a trillionaire, several times over, by holding a handful of Zimbabwe notes.</quote> So you're super rich?</quote> I think my entire Zimbabwe currency hoard is worth about eleven US dollars nowadays. The rarest note I have is the ZWD $1.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/07/17 2:37:49 AM #22:	Questionmarktarius posted... Zeus posted... Hamilton Earlier than that. John Adams was a rampant asshole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts Not quite what I had in mind. More importantly, Hamilton's tenure as Treasury Secretary began under Washington and ended with Adams. While he would still have influence within the party afterward, he held no official post after Adams fired him (and could hold no office after Burr fired at him). But yes, that was another set of problems where government officials were passing laws to preserve their power and influence, which included federalists using the law to shut down media outlets favoring republicans. And it reminds me I still need to finish watching the John Adams miniseries. Saw parts 1 & 2 the other month then clips from the rest long before that. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891739100] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Hamilton</quote> Earlier than that. John Adams was a rampant asshole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts</quote> Not quite what I had in mind. More importantly, Hamilton's tenure as Treasury Secretary began under Washington and ended with Adams. While he would still have influence within the party afterward, he held no official post after Adams fired him (and could hold no office after Burr fired at him). But yes, that was another set of problems where government officials were passing laws to preserve their power and influence, which included federalists using the law to shut down media outlets favoring republicans. And it reminds me I still need to finish watching the John Adams miniseries. Saw parts 1 & 2 the other month then clips from the rest long before that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/07/17 2:43:29 AM #23:	Zeus posted... More importantly, Hamilton's tenure as Treasury Secretary began under Washington and ended with Adams. Huh. I lapsed on my history. Sorry about that. I just find it quite humorous that John Adams effectively shit all over the Declaration and Constitution he essentially created. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891739241] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>More importantly, Hamilton's tenure as Treasury Secretary began under Washington and ended with Adams.</quote> Huh. I lapsed on my history. Sorry about that. I just find it quite humorous that John Adams effectively shit all over the Declaration and Constitution he essentially created.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 12/07/17 7:34:48 AM #24:	WarGreymon77 posted... I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. WarGreymon77 posted... Trump --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:891745355] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>WarGreymon77 posted...</cite> <quote>I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. </quote> <cite>WarGreymon77 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 12/07/17 7:40:39 AM #25:	Money talks. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:891745529] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>Money talks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 12/07/17 8:43:05 PM #26:	Of the posts I have visibility of, good points. WarGreymon77 posted... I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. Unfortunately, too many people in Washington prefer to play the game rather than rock the boat like Trump did. But he's not really "rocking the boat". All he's really done is just add more weight to the already-sinking ship. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891785768] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>Of the posts I have visibility of, good points. <cite>WarGreymon77 posted...</cite> <quote>I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. Unfortunately, too many people in Washington prefer to play the game rather than rock the boat like Trump did.</quote> But he's not really "rocking the boat". All he's really done is just add more weight to the already-sinking ship.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/07/17 10:51:17 PM #27:	WastelandCowboy posted... Of the posts I have visibility of, good points. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891794647] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Of the posts I have visibility of, good points.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 12/08/17 1:46:26 AM #28:	WarGreymon77 posted... I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. Unfortunately, too many people in Washington prefer to play the game rather than rock the boat like Trump did. Trump is just as greedy as those TV billionaires, and he isn't even trying to hide it. --- When a girl has sex with a bunch of guys, they call her a slut, but when a guy does it, they call him gay. ~ Antifar <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:891804400] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote><cite>WarGreymon77 posted...</cite> <quote>I've seen enough TV to know that certain people could be billionaires and it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy their level of greed. Unfortunately, too many people in Washington prefer to play the game rather than rock the boat like Trump did.</quote> Trump is just as greedy as those TV billionaires, and he isn't even trying to hide it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 12/08/17 2:14:23 AM #29:	For me it wouldn't be about the money, but the issue at hand. I don't think I could accept a bribe for something I was opposed to. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:891805351] in I just don... [t:76059586]...</cite> <quote>For me it wouldn't be about the money, but the issue at hand. I don't think I could accept a bribe for something I was opposed to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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