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Darmik 11/19/17 5:14:11 PM #1:	Traditional $60 game (with single and multi) that has all content on disc with just patches/minimum free DLC post launch? Paid expansion/map packs after launch? A game released with basic/minimal content at launch and constantly supported with more content over the first year or two as sales increase? Post launch support funded by optional microtransactions where you can choose what you want? Post launch support funded by cosmetic lootboxes only that can also be earned with in-game credits? A mix of the above? Which one do you like best? I'm still pretty traditional personally but I feel like I'm a bit of an old dog when it comes to multiplayer. I don't really care for the whole carrot on a stick thing that seems to be the thing in multi games now. I like how Splatoon does it though. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890696003] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Traditional $60 game (with single and multi) that has all content on disc with just patches/minimum free DLC post launch? Paid expansion/map packs after launch? A game released with basic/minimal content at launch and constantly supported with more content over the first year or two as sales increase? Post launch support funded by optional microtransactions where you can choose what you want? Post launch support funded by cosmetic lootboxes only that can also be earned with in-game credits? A mix of the above? Which one do you like best? I'm still pretty traditional personally but I feel like I'm a bit of an old dog when it comes to multiplayer. I don't really care for the whole carrot on a stick thing that seems to be the thing in multi games now. I like how Splatoon does it though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 11/19/17 5:15:56 PM #2:	Honestly, I like the way OW does it. I've bought lootboxes now and again, but I've also gone like half a year since I bought my last one. I think I have close to 500 or 600 hours in the game, so I don't mind throwing some dosh in once and a while. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:890696074] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I like the way OW does it. I've bought lootboxes now and again, but I've also gone like half a year since I bought my last one. I think I have close to 500 or 600 hours in the game, so I don't mind throwing some dosh in once and a while.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 11/19/17 5:16:29 PM #3:	No payment model at all. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:890696104] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>No payment model at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 5:17:31 PM #4:	Offworlder1 posted... No payment model at all. So free? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890696171] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>No payment model at all.</quote> So free?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 11/19/17 5:19:30 PM #5:	Once you pay the $60 the games SP and MP should be yours, extra or new stuff should be free unless it is actual new content. How ME 3 did it is the best example. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:890696282] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Once you pay the $60 the games SP and MP should be yours, extra or new stuff should be free unless it is actual new content. How ME 3 did it is the best example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThirdGender 11/19/17 5:19:37 PM #6:	$60 to buy the disc Insert into your console/PC and pay $40 to install it. Pay $50 to start playing it once it's installed. Pay $25 to unlock each new mission/level/match etc. Pay $5 to save progress and the same again to load/reload. Pay $10 for each new character/weapon etc. Pay $5 to upgrade a skill by 1 point. Pay $25 for each update. Etc etc. --- Please don't read this. <cite>ThirdGender posted [p:890696291] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>$60 to buy the disc Insert into your console/PC and pay $40 to install it. Pay $50 to start playing it once it's installed. Pay $25 to unlock each new mission/level/match etc. Pay $5 to save progress and the same again to load/reload. Pay $10 for each new character/weapon etc. Pay $5 to upgrade a skill by 1 point. Pay $25 for each update. Etc etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS 11/19/17 5:21:17 PM #7:	how Halo 5 did it. Cosmetic microtransactions and free DLC <cite>AlternativeFAQS posted [p:890696388] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>how Halo 5 did it. Cosmetic microtransactions and free DLC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 11/19/17 5:21:58 PM #8:	once --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:890696429] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>once</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 11/19/17 5:22:42 PM #9:	Halo 5 did it perfect. Full game Free maps and content updates Lootboxes with completely optional cosmetic stuff that can be unlocked in-game at a totally reasonable credit earn rate --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:890696462] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Halo 5 did it perfect. Full game Free maps and content updates Lootboxes with completely optional cosmetic stuff that can be unlocked in-game at a totally reasonable credit earn rate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 5:23:26 PM #10:	Offworlder1 posted... Once you pay the $60 the games SP and MP should be yours, extra or new stuff should be free unless it is actual new content. How ME 3 did it is the best example. Mass Effect 3 had loot boxes that gave you classes, weapons, consumables etc. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890696511] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>Once you pay the $60 the games SP and MP should be yours, extra or new stuff should be free unless it is actual new content. How ME 3 did it is the best example.</quote> Mass Effect 3 had loot boxes that gave you classes, weapons, consumables etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 11/19/17 5:23:56 PM #11:	I still find it baffling that they actually get away with taking the worst of both models. If the game is full of micro transactions, why are people OK with paying for the game up front? You're paying money... to pay for a freemium model. --- Professionals are predictable- it's the amateurs who are dangerous. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:890696530] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>I still find it baffling that they actually get away with taking the worst of both models. If the game is full of micro transactions, why are people OK with paying for the game up front? You're paying money... to pay for a freemium model.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
giantblimpN7 11/19/17 5:24:36 PM #12:	Offworlder1 posted... Once you pay the $60 the games SP and MP should be yours, extra or new stuff should be free unless it is actual new content. How ME 3 did it is the best example. So Battlefront 2? --- http://i.imgur.com/zSHmk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qT9WxSu.png <cite>giantblimpN7 posted [p:890696570] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>Once you pay the $60 the games SP and MP should be yours, extra or new stuff should be free unless it is actual new content. How ME 3 did it is the best example.</quote> So Battlefront 2?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 5:25:16 PM #13:	Halo 5 Warzone had some lootbox stuff didn't it? I seem to recall getting vehicle cards and the like. But the cool thing was you could simply ignore all of that in Arena. If you wanted a traditional Halo experience you could stick to Arena. If you want something that's all about earning crap and havoc everywhere you had Warzone. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890696604] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Halo 5 Warzone had some lootbox stuff didn't it? I seem to recall getting vehicle cards and the like. But the cool thing was you could simply ignore all of that in Arena. If you wanted a traditional Halo experience you could stick to Arena. If you want something that's all about earning crap and havoc everywhere you had Warzone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/19/17 5:25:20 PM #14:	If it's an MMO, I really don't mind a subscription model. I understand the costs associated with the server maintenance and content development. If it's anything else... I hear Overwatch has a good system. I also like how they have it in CS GO, where you get random crates and if you don't want it you can just sell it on the market for a few cents. That seems like a ridiculously ludicrous business model for Valve since they get at least one or two cents per transaction and there are thousands of those things selling every day, and that's just on the crates, not to mention the more expensive weapon models. I also don't mind how it is in Rocket League - you get free unlocks as you play, and rewards at the end of each competitive season. There are loot crates but they just give you more customization options and offer absolutely no competitive advantage at all. If a game is good, it'll make you want to pay periodically/smartly just for little perks like that. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:890696608] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>If it's an MMO, I really don't mind a subscription model. I understand the costs associated with the server maintenance and content development. If it's anything else... I hear Overwatch has a good system. I also like how they have it in CS GO, where you get random crates and if you don't want it you can just sell it on the market for a few cents. That seems like a ridiculously ludicrous business model for Valve since they get at least one or two cents per transaction and there are thousands of those things selling every day, and that's just on the crates, not to mention the more expensive weapon models. I also don't mind how it is in Rocket League - you get free unlocks as you play, and rewards at the end of each competitive season. There are loot crates but they just give you more customization options and offer absolutely no competitive advantage at all. If a game is good, it'll make you want to pay periodically/smartly just for little perks like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/19/17 5:28:08 PM #15:	ThirdGender posted... $60 to buy the disc Insert into your console/PC and pay $40 to install it. Pay $50 to start playing it once it's installed. Pay $25 to unlock each new mission/level/match etc. Pay $5 to save progress and the same again to load/reload. Pay $10 for each new character/weapon etc. Pay $5 to upgrade a skill by 1 point. Pay $25 for each update. Etc etc. This is the best business model imo --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890696767] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThirdGender posted...</cite> <quote>$60 to buy the disc Insert into your console/PC and pay $40 to install it. Pay $50 to start playing it once it's installed. Pay $25 to unlock each new mission/level/match etc. Pay $5 to save progress and the same again to load/reload. Pay $10 for each new character/weapon etc. Pay $5 to upgrade a skill by 1 point. Pay $25 for each update. Etc etc.</quote> This is the best business model imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KainWind 11/19/17 5:28:10 PM #16:	Overwatch is perfect. Sounds the same as what is being described for Halo 5 as well. Let people spend all their money on lootboxes or whatever as long as they are obtainable otherwise and don't give a gameplay advantage. --- http://i.imgtc.com/pRZqu18C.gif http://i.imgtc.com/jccgiB1G.gif http://i.imgtc.com/WEkU41Yb.gif http://i.imgtc.com/dBcIyU2x.gif <cite>KainWind posted [p:890696769] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Overwatch is perfect. Sounds the same as what is being described for Halo 5 as well. Let people spend all their money on lootboxes or whatever as long as they are obtainable otherwise and don't give a gameplay advantage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 11/19/17 5:28:31 PM #17:	ME 3 MP you could easily earn credits and get new items with ingame currancy, the item boxes were not even that expensive for credits. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:890696793] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>ME 3 MP you could easily earn credits and get new items with ingame currancy, the item boxes were not even that expensive for credits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThirdGender 11/19/17 5:30:00 PM #18:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ThirdGender posted... $60 to buy the disc Insert into your console/PC and pay $40 to install it. Pay $50 to start playing it once it's installed. Pay $25 to unlock each new mission/level/match etc. Pay $5 to save progress and the same again to load/reload. Pay $10 for each new character/weapon etc. Pay $5 to upgrade a skill by 1 point. Pay $25 for each update. Etc etc. This is the best business model imo I think it might still be too cheap. --- Please don't read this. <cite>ThirdGender posted [p:890696859] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThirdGender posted...</cite> <quote>$60 to buy the disc Insert into your console/PC and pay $40 to install it. Pay $50 to start playing it once it's installed. Pay $25 to unlock each new mission/level/match etc. Pay $5 to save progress and the same again to load/reload. Pay $10 for each new character/weapon etc. Pay $5 to upgrade a skill by 1 point. Pay $25 for each update. Etc etc.</quote> This is the best business model imo</quote> I think it might still be too cheap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 5:31:43 PM #19:	Offworlder1 posted... ME 3 MP you could easily earn credits and get new items with ingame currancy, the item boxes were not even that expensive for credits. It's still very much the loot box model. The whole thing with lootboxes is that you can potentially get everything in the game for free if you play enough since you earn in-game currency by playing. But the fact that it's random chance means it will take an extremely long time because your rewards are random. The biggest difference with ME3 was that it was cooperative. So it didn't overly matter that other players had better gear. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890696959] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>ME 3 MP you could easily earn credits and get new items with ingame currancy, the item boxes were not even that expensive for credits.</quote> It's still very much the loot box model. The whole thing with lootboxes is that you can potentially get everything in the game for free if you play enough since you earn in-game currency by playing. But the fact that it's random chance means it will take an extremely long time because your rewards are random. The biggest difference with ME3 was that it was cooperative. So it didn't overly matter that other players had better gear.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Two_Dee 11/19/17 5:34:38 PM #20:	Street Fighter V --- http://i.imgur.com/TZMcmYk.jpg <cite>Two_Dee posted [p:890697127] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Street Fighter V</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Calwyn 11/19/17 5:37:31 PM #21:	weapon_d00d816 posted... Halo 5 did it perfect. Full game Free maps and content updates Lootboxes with completely optional cosmetic stuff that can be unlocked in-game at a totally reasonable credit earn rate Pretty much this. One thing I'd like to add is the option to buy only the multiplayer portion of a game for a cheaper price, maybe $40 if the full game is $60. I know some people who haven't played the campaign of a Call Of Duty game in nearly a decade and only play for the multiplayer, so they wouldn't pay for the campaign if they didn't need to. --- #609 ~ http://i.imgur.com/R3wPoWt.jpg "You've gotta keep fighting, and get back up again... my champion!" <cite>Calwyn posted [p:890697297] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>weapon_d00d816 posted...</cite> <quote>Halo 5 did it perfect. Full game Free maps and content updates Lootboxes with completely optional cosmetic stuff that can be unlocked in-game at a totally reasonable credit earn rate</quote> Pretty much this. One thing I'd like to add is the option to buy only the multiplayer portion of a game for a cheaper price, maybe $40 if the full game is $60. I know some people who haven't played the campaign of a Call Of Duty game in nearly a decade and only play for the multiplayer, so they wouldn't pay for the campaign if they didn't need to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steve Nick 11/19/17 5:38:46 PM #22:	$60 and you get the whole game, supported for a minimum of 3 years. No DLC, no microtransactions of any kind. Cosmetics are earned IG by completing things. --- This is my signature. <cite>Steve Nick posted [p:890697364] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>$60 and you get the whole game, supported for a minimum of 3 years. No DLC, no microtransactions of any kind. Cosmetics are earned IG by completing things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steve Nick 11/19/17 5:39:32 PM #23:	KainWind posted... Overwatch is perfect. Sounds the same as what is being described for Halo 5 as well. Let people spend all their money on lootboxes or whatever as long as they are obtainable otherwise and don't give a gameplay advantage. Overwatch isn't perfect. This slippery slope you're allowing is what's killing gaming. Perfect would be if Overwatch removed the option to buy crates with RL money. --- This is my signature. <cite>Steve Nick posted [p:890697405] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>KainWind posted...</cite> <quote>Overwatch is perfect. Sounds the same as what is being described for Halo 5 as well. Let people spend all their money on lootboxes or whatever as long as they are obtainable otherwise and don't give a gameplay advantage.</quote> Overwatch isn't perfect. This slippery slope you're allowing is what's killing gaming. Perfect would be if Overwatch removed the option to buy crates with RL money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 11/19/17 5:41:11 PM #24:	Darmik posted... Paid expansion/map packs after launch? these are not the same. map packs are still by far and large treated as peace meal content akin to how PC games got(or still get from the right devs) content updates for free back then. anyways the only way extra content imo should be handled is in traditionally large content expansions that at first glance justifies their release and priced accordingly. CDPR basically did everything i'm asking for with witcher 3: -free peace meal content releases that would basically feel like highway robbery if they charged for them(an extra quest or two, some hair options, armor sets, alternate character skins etc.) -2 huge expansions that fairly reflected themselves in their pricing; $10 for HoS and $20 for B&W released at an appropriate time to not make people think they were working on them from the beginning and cut the content from the main game in order to sell them a month or two after launch this way has also traditionally been done with RTS. no crap like "buy an extra map" for $5 or shit like that. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z.jpg <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:890697510] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Paid expansion/map packs after launch?</quote> these are not the same. map packs are still by far and large treated as peace meal content akin to how PC games got(or still get from the right devs) content updates for free back then. anyways the only way extra content imo should be handled is in traditionally large content expansions that at first glance justifies their release and priced accordingly. CDPR basically did everything i'm asking for with witcher 3: -free peace meal content releases that would basically feel like highway robbery if they charged for them(an extra quest or two, some hair options, armor sets, alternate character skins etc.) -2 huge expansions that fairly reflected themselves in their pricing; $10 for HoS and $20 for B&W released at an appropriate time to not make people think they were working on them from the beginning and cut the content from the main game in order to sell them a month or two after launch this way has also traditionally been done with RTS. no crap like "buy an extra map" for $5 or shit like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 5:41:19 PM #25:	Steve Nick posted... $60 and you get the whole game, supported for a minimum of 3 years. No DLC, no microtransactions of any kind. Cosmetics are earned IG by completing things. How many games have done this? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890697522] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Steve Nick posted...</cite> <quote>$60 and you get the whole game, supported for a minimum of 3 years. No DLC, no microtransactions of any kind. Cosmetics are earned IG by completing things.</quote> How many games have done this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 11/19/17 5:42:11 PM #26:	Pay $60 for the game (or whatever it costs where you live) and enjoy. No yearly subscriptions (ff15) and no dlc that makes the game unfair for people who don't buy it. --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:890697571] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Pay $60 for the game (or whatever it costs where you live) and enjoy. No yearly subscriptions (ff15) and no dlc that makes the game unfair for people who don't buy it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 5:44:44 PM #27:	AsucaHayashi posted... Darmik posted... Paid expansion/map packs after launch? these are not the same. map packs are still by far and large treated as peace meal content akin to how PC games got(or still get from the right devs) content updates for free back then. anyways the only way extra content imo should be handled is in traditionally large content expansions that at first glance justifies their release and priced accordingly. CDPR basically did everything i'm asking for with witcher 3: -free peace meal content releases that would basically feel like highway robbery if they charged for them(an extra quest or two, some hair options, armor sets, alternate character skins etc.) -2 huge expansions that fairly reflected themselves in their pricing; $10 for HoS and $20 for B&W released at an appropriate time to not make people think they were working on them from the beginning and cut the content from the main game in order to sell them a month or two after launch this way has also traditionally been done with RTS. no crap like "buy an extra map" for $5 or shit like that. Keep in mind I'm only talking about multiplayer. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890697728] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>AsucaHayashi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Paid expansion/map packs after launch?</quote> these are not the same. map packs are still by far and large treated as peace meal content akin to how PC games got(or still get from the right devs) content updates for free back then. anyways the only way extra content imo should be handled is in traditionally large content expansions that at first glance justifies their release and priced accordingly. CDPR basically did everything i'm asking for with witcher 3: -free peace meal content releases that would basically feel like highway robbery if they charged for them(an extra quest or two, some hair options, armor sets, alternate character skins etc.) -2 huge expansions that fairly reflected themselves in their pricing; $10 for HoS and $20 for B&W released at an appropriate time to not make people think they were working on them from the beginning and cut the content from the main game in order to sell them a month or two after launch this way has also traditionally been done with RTS. no crap like "buy an extra map" for $5 or shit like that.</quote> Keep in mind I'm only talking about multiplayer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 11/19/17 5:45:23 PM #28:	Overwatch does a pretty damn decent job. Major things like maps and characters are all unlocked from the beginning. Skins, voice lines, and sprays are unlocked through gaining levels. Through gaining levels you also acquire currency to buy specific pieces you want. You can buy loot boxes, but its contents are random and there is nothing at all that will give players an edge. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:890697774] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Overwatch does a pretty damn decent job. Major things like maps and characters are all unlocked from the beginning. Skins, voice lines, and sprays are unlocked through gaining levels. Through gaining levels you also acquire currency to buy specific pieces you want. You can buy loot boxes, but its contents are random and there is nothing at all that will give players an edge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/19/17 5:47:52 PM #29:	Buy once, client/server LAN/WAN model. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:890697912] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Buy once, client/server LAN/WAN model.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/19/17 5:51:31 PM #30:	Minus microtransactions, though they aren't especially egregious in these games, I have no problem with how Rainbow Six, Overwatch, Destiny, or Rocket League work, especially Rainbow. Honestly, I actually wish Destiny 2 had just been a $40 expansion for Destiny 1. I think the games as a service model does a great job of retaining players. Anecdotally, it's definitely the case for my friends and I. I wouldn't likely still be playing those games if they were traditionally supported. Even in GTA Online, though I couldn't give a fuck about most of the grindy things they added, new content at least kept the game in my consciousness and coming back to play what I want from time to time. I think we need to accept that multiplayer games are going to be MMO-like going forward. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:890698119] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Minus microtransactions, though they aren't especially egregious in these games, I have no problem with how Rainbow Six, Overwatch, Destiny, or Rocket League work, especially Rainbow. Honestly, I actually wish Destiny 2 had just been a $40 expansion for Destiny 1. I think the games as a service model does a great job of retaining players. Anecdotally, it's definitely the case for my friends and I. I wouldn't likely still be playing those games if they were traditionally supported. Even in GTA Online, though I couldn't give a fuck about most of the grindy things they added, new content at least kept the game in my consciousness and coming back to play what I want from time to time. I think we need to accept that multiplayer games are going to be MMO-like going forward.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/19/17 5:56:55 PM #31:	Steve Nick posted... Overwatch isn't perfect. This slippery slope you're allowing is what's killing gaming Slopes aren't slippery if you rub some sandpaper on them. That's a poor argument. Games existing as a product to be sold allows the slippery slope if you want to be technical. Abolishing video games would be the only surefire way to prevent companies from trying to exploit them. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:890698404] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Steve Nick posted...</cite> <quote>Overwatch isn't perfect. This slippery slope you're allowing is what's killing gaming</quote> Slopes aren't slippery if you rub some sandpaper on them. That's a poor argument. Games existing as a product to be sold allows the slippery slope if you want to be technical. Abolishing video games would be the only surefire way to prevent companies from trying to exploit them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/19/17 6:02:02 PM #32:	I mean I also don't mind just regular planned expansion content, as long as there's actually like... content in there (and not just four new maps and two new guns... I'm looking at you, CoD). --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:890698691] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>I mean I also don't mind just regular planned expansion content, as long as there's actually like... content in there (and not just four new maps and two new guns... I'm looking at you, CoD).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 11/19/17 6:02:09 PM #33:	Also another thing about Halo 5's setup -- you don't get duplicates for things that aren't consumables. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:890698698] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Also another thing about Halo 5's setup -- you don't get duplicates for things that aren't consumables.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 6:03:55 PM #34:	I do think the games a service model does work better than the traditional map pack model. Fragmenting a userbase like that seems really dated now. I'm glad that overall seems to be dealt with. That doesn't mean that every game does it well though. Your game still needs to feel rewarding for players who aren't interested in using real world money. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890698813] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>I do think the games a service model does work better than the traditional map pack model. Fragmenting a userbase like that seems really dated now. I'm glad that overall seems to be dealt with. That doesn't mean that every game does it well though. Your game still needs to feel rewarding for players who aren't interested in using real world money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/19/17 6:05:59 PM #35:	Darmik posted... I do think the games a service model does work better than the traditional map pack model. Fragmenting a userbase like that seems really dated now. I'm glad that overall seems to be dealt with. That doesn't mean that every game does it well though. Your game still needs to feel rewarding for players who aren't interested in using real world money. Maybe they just need to update the traditional map pack model, then... Like, a person who owns the expansion pack could invite a friend as a +1 and they could play together on the expansion maps, but the person who doesn't own the expansion packs can't do things like unlock whatever new content is there. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:890698939] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>I do think the games a service model does work better than the traditional map pack model. Fragmenting a userbase like that seems really dated now. I'm glad that overall seems to be dealt with. That doesn't mean that every game does it well though. Your game still needs to feel rewarding for players who aren't interested in using real world money.</quote> Maybe they just need to update the traditional map pack model, then... Like, a person who owns the expansion pack could invite a friend as a +1 and they could play together on the expansion maps, but the person who doesn't own the expansion packs can't do things like unlock whatever new content is there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 6:07:48 PM #36:	Hexenherz posted... Darmik posted... I do think the games a service model does work better than the traditional map pack model. Fragmenting a userbase like that seems really dated now. I'm glad that overall seems to be dealt with. That doesn't mean that every game does it well though. Your game still needs to feel rewarding for players who aren't interested in using real world money. Maybe they just need to update the traditional map pack model, then... Like, a person who owns the expansion pack could invite a friend as a +1 and they could play together on the expansion maps, but the person who doesn't own the expansion packs can't do things like unlock whatever new content is there. I dunno. That still fragments matchmaking, playlists etc. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890699038] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>I do think the games a service model does work better than the traditional map pack model. Fragmenting a userbase like that seems really dated now. I'm glad that overall seems to be dealt with. That doesn't mean that every game does it well though. Your game still needs to feel rewarding for players who aren't interested in using real world money.</quote> Maybe they just need to update the traditional map pack model, then... Like, a person who owns the expansion pack could invite a friend as a +1 and they could play together on the expansion maps, but the person who doesn't own the expansion packs can't do things like unlock whatever new content is there.</quote> I dunno. That still fragments matchmaking, playlists etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/19/17 6:08:58 PM #37:	Darmik posted... Hexenherz posted... Darmik posted... I do think the games a service model does work better than the traditional map pack model. Fragmenting a userbase like that seems really dated now. I'm glad that overall seems to be dealt with. That doesn't mean that every game does it well though. Your game still needs to feel rewarding for players who aren't interested in using real world money. Maybe they just need to update the traditional map pack model, then... Like, a person who owns the expansion pack could invite a friend as a +1 and they could play together on the expansion maps, but the person who doesn't own the expansion packs can't do things like unlock whatever new content is there. I dunno. That still fragments matchmaking, playlists etc. See: Battlefield 1 Player base still fragmented and just not holding up like these new style games. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:890699099] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>I do think the games a service model does work better than the traditional map pack model. Fragmenting a userbase like that seems really dated now. I'm glad that overall seems to be dealt with. That doesn't mean that every game does it well though. Your game still needs to feel rewarding for players who aren't interested in using real world money.</quote> Maybe they just need to update the traditional map pack model, then... Like, a person who owns the expansion pack could invite a friend as a +1 and they could play together on the expansion maps, but the person who doesn't own the expansion packs can't do things like unlock whatever new content is there.</quote> I dunno. That still fragments matchmaking, playlists etc.</quote> See: Battlefield 1 Player base still fragmented and just not holding up like these new style games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Calwyn 11/19/17 6:09:16 PM #38:	weapon_d00d816 posted... Also another thing about Halo 5's setup -- you don't get duplicates for things that aren't consumables. IMO, getting duplicates is fine if they can be used or redeemed for something. In Black Ops 3, duplicates get you keys that get you your next supply drops faster, while in Infinite Warfare and Modern Warfare Remastered, they get you the credits that you can save up to unlock a specific weapon/variant you want. Some sort of crafting system (like redeeming two rare variants of a gun and a certain amount of credits for a legendary variant of the same gun) would have been cool too. --- #593 ~ http://i.imgur.com/WPOJik8.jpg "You've gotta keep fighting, and get back up again... my champion!" <cite>Calwyn posted [p:890699124] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>weapon_d00d816 posted...</cite> <quote>Also another thing about Halo 5's setup -- you don't get duplicates for things that aren't consumables.</quote> IMO, getting duplicates is fine if they can be used or redeemed for something. In Black Ops 3, duplicates get you keys that get you your next supply drops faster, while in Infinite Warfare and Modern Warfare Remastered, they get you the credits that you can save up to unlock a specific weapon/variant you want. Some sort of crafting system (like redeeming two rare variants of a gun and a certain amount of credits for a legendary variant of the same gun) would have been cool too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 11/19/17 6:10:16 PM #39:	Calwyn posted... weapon_d00d816 posted... Also another thing about Halo 5's setup -- you don't get duplicates for things that aren't consumables. IMO, getting duplicates is fine if they can be used or redeemed for something. In Black Ops 3, duplicates get you keys that get you your next supply drops faster, while in Infinite Warfare and Modern Warfare Remastered, they get you the credits that you can save up to unlock a specific weapon/variant you want. Some sort of crafting system (like redeeming two rare variants of a gun and a certain amount of credits for a legendary variant of the same gun) would have been cool too. Usually the repayment for a duplicate is pitifully low compared to its value. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:890699178] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Calwyn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>weapon_d00d816 posted...</cite> <quote>Also another thing about Halo 5's setup -- you don't get duplicates for things that aren't consumables.</quote> IMO, getting duplicates is fine if they can be used or redeemed for something. In Black Ops 3, duplicates get you keys that get you your next supply drops faster, while in Infinite Warfare and Modern Warfare Remastered, they get you the credits that you can save up to unlock a specific weapon/variant you want. Some sort of crafting system (like redeeming two rare variants of a gun and a certain amount of credits for a legendary variant of the same gun) would have been cool too.</quote> Usually the repayment for a duplicate is pitifully low compared to its value.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 11/19/17 6:28:25 PM #40:	Darmik posted... Keep in mind I'm only talking about multiplayer. AsucaHayashi posted... this way has also traditionally been done with RTS. no crap like "buy an extra map" for $5 or shit like that. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z.jpg <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:890700099] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Keep in mind I'm only talking about multiplayer.</quote> <cite>AsucaHayashi posted...</cite> <quote>this way has also traditionally been done with RTS. no crap like "buy an extra map" for $5 or shit like that.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/19/17 6:31:17 PM #41:	The face of RTS has changed drastically in the last several years though. --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:890700288] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>The face of RTS has changed drastically in the last several years though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZombiePelican 11/19/17 6:44:00 PM #43:	Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions --- https://i.imgur.com/SiKIsHD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:890701036] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 6:44:35 PM #44:	ZombiePelican posted... Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions What's your answer? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890701058] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions</quote> What's your answer?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St0rmFury 11/19/17 6:47:46 PM #45:	Tag --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) <cite>St0rmFury posted [p:890701235] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote>Tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Swagnificent119 11/19/17 6:47:57 PM #46:	Offworlder1 posted... How ME 3 did it is the best example. lol? Mass Effect 3 is the game that basically started the loot box trend. --- https://i.imgtc.com/WXqrgQ0.jpg <cite>Swagnificent119 posted [p:890701252] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>How ME 3 did it is the best example.</quote> lol? Mass Effect 3 is the game that basically started the loot box trend.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 11/19/17 6:49:15 PM #47:	Darmik posted... ZombiePelican posted... Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions What's your answer? A robust multiplayer with an actual rewarding progression system that isn't made grindy and unfun for the sake of goading real money out of you With optional DLC packs --- https://i.imgur.com/SiKIsHD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:890701330] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions</quote> What's your answer?</quote> A robust multiplayer with an actual rewarding progression system that isn't made grindy and unfun for the sake of goading real money out of you With optional DLC packs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 6:49:55 PM #48:	ZombiePelican posted... Darmik posted... ZombiePelican posted... Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions What's your answer? A robust multiplayer with an actual rewarding progression system that isn't made grindy and unfun for the sake of goading real money out of you With optional DLC packs What would be in the DLC packs? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890701372] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions</quote> What's your answer?</quote> A robust multiplayer with an actual rewarding progression system that isn't made grindy and unfun for the sake of goading real money out of you With optional DLC packs</quote> What would be in the DLC packs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 11/19/17 6:55:50 PM #49:	Darmik posted... ZombiePelican posted... Darmik posted... ZombiePelican posted... Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions What's your answer? A robust multiplayer with an actual rewarding progression system that isn't made grindy and unfun for the sake of goading real money out of you With optional DLC packs What would be in the DLC packs? Cosmetic items and maps --- https://i.imgur.com/SiKIsHD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:890701691] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions</quote> What's your answer?</quote> A robust multiplayer with an actual rewarding progression system that isn't made grindy and unfun for the sake of goading real money out of you With optional DLC packs</quote> What would be in the DLC packs?</quote> Cosmetic items and maps</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 11/19/17 6:56:42 PM #50:	ZombiePelican posted... Darmik posted... ZombiePelican posted... Darmik posted... ZombiePelican posted... Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions What's your answer? A robust multiplayer with an actual rewarding progression system that isn't made grindy and unfun for the sake of goading real money out of you With optional DLC packs What would be in the DLC packs? Cosmetic items and maps Wouldn't Maps fragment the community? Wouldn't it be better to have cosmetic items as microtransactions so you can actually choose what you want instead of purchasing a large pack? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:890701739] in What is id... [t:76009383]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Leave to CE's #1 corporate fanboy and cheerleader to advocate microtransactions</quote> What's your answer?</quote> A robust multiplayer with an actual rewarding progression system that isn't made grindy and unfun for the sake of goading real money out of you With optional DLC packs</quote> What would be in the DLC packs?</quote> Cosmetic items and maps</quote> Wouldn't Maps fragment the community? Wouldn't it be better to have cosmetic items as microtransactions so you can actually choose what you want instead of purchasing a large pack?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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