Current Events > Should drivers who drive even 1MPH above the speed limit be pulled over?

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SomeLikeItHoth 11/15/17 1:18:20 PM #1:	@PiOverlord --- The GOAT Fam 2017! <cite>SomeLikeItHoth posted [p:890442730] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>@PiOverlord</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 11/15/17 1:19:17 PM #2:	Yeah --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif <cite>Turbam posted [p:890442789] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>Yeah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 11/15/17 1:19:37 PM #3:	They should be arrested --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:890442805] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>They should be arrested</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution998 11/15/17 1:19:50 PM #4:	Everyone goes 5 over - that's the general consensus. Any more than 5MPH can earn you a ticket as it should. --- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poli' meaning many, and the word 'ticks' meaning blood sucking parasites. <cite>Caution998 posted [p:890442817] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>Everyone goes 5 over - that's the general consensus. Any more than 5MPH can earn you a ticket as it should.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 11/15/17 1:20:19 PM #5:	Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:890442855] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 11/15/17 1:20:23 PM #6:	They should be executed, actually. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:890442860] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>They should be executed, actually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperExcitebike 11/15/17 1:21:33 PM #7:	"9 you're fine. 10 you're mine." I only ever go maybe 5 over on the freeway. About 8 over on the highway. I laugh at people who speed and swerve between cars on main roads --- SMU Mustangs/Jayhawks/Texans/Rockets/Astros http://followmy.tv/u/Excitebike <cite>SuperExcitebike posted [p:890442923] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>"9 you're fine. 10 you're mine." I only ever go maybe 5 over on the freeway. About 8 over on the highway. I laugh at people who speed and swerve between cars on main roads</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 11/15/17 1:22:23 PM #8:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO? --- Now Playing: South Park: FbW (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:890442968] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over</quote> so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 11/15/17 1:24:53 PM #9:	Should they? Not necessarily. Should police be able to? Absolutely. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:890443115] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>Should they? Not necessarily. Should police be able to? Absolutely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 11/15/17 1:25:03 PM #10:	No. There is a margin of error on the radar devices and therefore you can never know if someone is truly 1MPH over or not. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:890443127] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>No. There is a margin of error on the radar devices and therefore you can never know if someone is truly 1MPH over or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 11/15/17 1:26:03 PM #11:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over What? --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:890443191] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over</quote> What?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Link HT 11/15/17 1:26:04 PM #12:	Hum, no. If a person is dangerously speeding then they should be pulled over and given a ticket, going a negligent amount over the limit isn't a big deal. You can't possibly expect to be able to draw a definitive line in terms of speed limit and have it be reasonable. The sheer difference in a driver's skill and what car they're driving alone make this a ridiculous concept. A 90 year old driving a piece of shit car from 20 years ago going the speed limit is a lot more dangerous than some 30 year old driving a brand new Audi going 5 over the limit. --- http://i.imgur.com/Tx1FX.jpg <cite>Link HT posted [p:890443193] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>Hum, no. If a person is dangerously speeding then they should be pulled over and given a ticket, going a negligent amount over the limit isn't a big deal. You can't possibly expect to be able to draw a definitive line in terms of speed limit and have it be reasonable. The sheer difference in a driver's skill and what car they're driving alone make this a ridiculous concept. A 90 year old driving a piece of shit car from 20 years ago going the speed limit is a lot more dangerous than some 30 year old driving a brand new Audi going 5 over the limit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fuzzylittlbunny 11/15/17 1:29:07 PM #13:	Link HT posted... A 90 year old driving a piece of shit car from 20 years ago going the speed limit is a lot more dangerous than some 30 year old driving a brand new Audi going 5 over the limit. Well there's the danger :< --- ( ^_^)/\(^_^ ) Maya high five! <cite>fuzzylittlbunny posted [p:890443368] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>Link HT posted...</cite> <quote>A 90 year old driving a piece of shit car from 20 years ago going the speed limit is a lot more dangerous than some 30 year old driving a brand new Audi going 5 over the limit.</quote> Well there's the danger :<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 11/15/17 1:34:09 PM #14:	We should change the meaning of the current signs to suggested speed and make going 5 over the suggested speed the real limit. That way, all of the hoards of fucking idiots that don't understand that the LIMIT, IS THE FUCKING LIMIT, CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:890443666] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>We should change the meaning of the current signs to suggested speed and make going 5 over the suggested speed the real limit. That way, all of the hoards of fucking idiots that don't understand that the LIMIT, IS THE FUCKING LIMIT, CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 11/15/17 1:36:37 PM #15:	On the Garden State Parkway if you're doing the speed limit, you're a hazard. --- Professionals are predictable- it's the amateurs who are dangerous. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:890443805] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>On the Garden State Parkway if you're doing the speed limit, you're a hazard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SapphireOfChaos 11/15/17 1:38:03 PM #16:	Should be those going 1 mph less should be pulled over, imo. --- 3DS: 1590-4884-9269 \| Switch: SW-3337-1639-7884 Discord link: https://discord.gg/hDQ6rWb \| The more you learn, the less you know, maaan... <cite>SapphireOfChaos posted [p:890443880] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>Should be those going 1 mph less should be pulled over, imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 11/15/17 1:43:52 PM #17:	Link HT posted... Hum, no. If a person is dangerously speeding then they should be pulled over and given a ticket, going a negligent amount over the limit isn't a big deal. You can't possibly expect to be able to draw a definitive line in terms of speed limit and have it be reasonable. The sheer difference in a driver's skill and what car they're driving alone make this a ridiculous concept. A 90 year old driving a piece of shit car from 20 years ago going the speed limit is a lot more dangerous than some 30 year old driving a brand new Audi going 5 over the limit. Most people will give you 10 over before they pull you over. And a 30 year old in an Audi can be a shit driver. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:890444227] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>Link HT posted...</cite> <quote>Hum, no. If a person is dangerously speeding then they should be pulled over and given a ticket, going a negligent amount over the limit isn't a big deal. You can't possibly expect to be able to draw a definitive line in terms of speed limit and have it be reasonable. The sheer difference in a driver's skill and what car they're driving alone make this a ridiculous concept. A 90 year old driving a piece of shit car from 20 years ago going the speed limit is a lot more dangerous than some 30 year old driving a brand new Audi going 5 over the limit.</quote> Most people will give you 10 over before they pull you over. And a 30 year old in an Audi can be a shit driver.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 11/15/17 1:53:38 PM #18:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO? If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:890444792] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over</quote> so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO?</quote> If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 11/15/17 1:55:59 PM #19:	r4X0r posted... On the Garden State Parkway if you're doing the speed limit, you're a hazard. The right lane goes 10 over, the left lane goes anywhere from 15 to 20 over. Going the speed limit, especially near on and off ramps, is recipe for disaster. Cops don't even ticket in NJ on highways unless you're doing close to 25 over. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:890444919] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>On the Garden State Parkway if you're doing the speed limit, you're a hazard.</quote> The right lane goes 10 over, the left lane goes anywhere from 15 to 20 over. Going the speed limit, especially near on and off ramps, is recipe for disaster. Cops don't even ticket in NJ on highways unless you're doing close to 25 over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 11/15/17 1:56:55 PM #20:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO? If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:890444970] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over</quote> so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO?</quote> If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes</quote> Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaytlessHearts 11/15/17 2:03:21 PM #21:	Honestly, I'm down for anyone driving below the speed limit to be charged a criminal traffic violation. Seriously, get the fuck off the road and get yourself back in driving school because you clearly can't handle being on the road. Less than the speed limit is more of a hazard to other drivers than people speeding 5-10 mph over the limit without question. Mandatory driving retests should happen to anyone over the age of 75 and still driving too. --- "To be forgotten is worse than death..." -Freya <cite>FaytlessHearts posted [p:890445387] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I'm down for anyone driving below the speed limit to be charged a criminal traffic violation. Seriously, get the fuck off the road and get yourself back in driving school because you clearly can't handle being on the road. Less than the speed limit is more of a hazard to other drivers than people speeding 5-10 mph over the limit without question. Mandatory driving retests should happen to anyone over the age of 75 and still driving too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 11/15/17 2:15:50 PM #22:	ChromaticAngel posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO? If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation. Victimless traffic ordinance violations shouldn't be traffic ordinance violations <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:890446167] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over</quote> so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO?</quote> If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes</quote> Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation.</quote> Victimless traffic ordinance violations shouldn't be traffic ordinance violations</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 11/15/17 2:18:33 PM #23:	If you go even ONE mph over the speed limit, you CAN and SHOULD get a ticket!!! It's not the speed suggestion, it's the speed LIMIT! Also, just because the rest of the sheep are mindlessly being CRIMINAL scum, that doesn't mean you should too. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 17; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Caring is sharing: https://imgur.com/a/W3bEo <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:890446332] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>If you go even ONE mph over the speed limit, you CAN and SHOULD get a ticket!!! It's not the speed suggestion, it's the speed LIMIT! Also, just because the rest of the sheep are mindlessly being CRIMINAL scum, that doesn't mean you should too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 11/15/17 2:19:57 PM #24:	On the subject of speeding, the ones that annoy me the most are drivers in high horsepower cars that drive like grannies in the left lane. I'd expect that in a Corolla or Prius, but not a 300 hp BMW. --- When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps. - Confucius <cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted [p:890446418] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>On the subject of speeding, the ones that annoy me the most are drivers in high horsepower cars that drive like grannies in the left lane. I'd expect that in a Corolla or Prius, but not a 300 hp BMW.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 11/15/17 2:21:50 PM #25:	There should be a 10% margin imo --- I use Gameraven and you should too. <cite>teepan95 posted [p:890446539] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote>There should be a 10% margin imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 11/15/17 2:22:19 PM #26:	ChromaticAngel posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO? If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation. reckless endangerment is a crime though, and doing 150 in a residential area would be reckless endangerment. --- http://i.imgur.com/O3syCWD.gif http://i.imgur.com/k3YiBdG.gif <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:890446566] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over</quote> so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO?</quote> If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes</quote> Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation.</quote> reckless endangerment is a crime though, and doing 150 in a residential area would be reckless endangerment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 11/15/17 2:22:37 PM #27:	Darklit_Minuet posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO? If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation. Victimless traffic ordinance violations shouldn't be traffic ordinance violations ok so what you're saying is there just shouldn't be any rules about driving etiquette at all --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:890446583] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over</quote> so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO?</quote> If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes</quote> Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation.</quote> Victimless traffic ordinance violations shouldn't be traffic ordinance violations</quote> ok so what you're saying is there just shouldn't be any rules about driving etiquette at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 11/15/17 3:04:37 PM #28:	ChromaticAngel posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO? If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation. Victimless traffic ordinance violations shouldn't be traffic ordinance violations ok so what you're saying is there just shouldn't be any rules about driving etiquette at all Of course there should be. Things like crashing into people can still be banned <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:890449137] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Speeding alone should never be a reason to pull someone over</quote> so someone going 150 MPH in a residential area is a-ok IYO?</quote> If he doesn't crash into anything or anyone? Sure. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes</quote> Speeding isn't a crime, it's a traffic ordinance violation.</quote> Victimless traffic ordinance violations shouldn't be traffic ordinance violations</quote> ok so what you're saying is there just shouldn't be any rules about driving etiquette at all</quote> Of course there should be. Things like crashing into people can still be banned</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkProto05 11/15/17 3:08:22 PM #29:	s0nicfan posted... r4X0r posted... On the Garden State Parkway if you're doing the speed limit, you're a hazard. The right lane goes 10 over, the left lane goes anywhere from 15 to 20 over. Going the speed limit, especially near on and off ramps, is recipe for disaster. Cops don't even ticket in NJ on highways unless you're doing close to 25 over. Really? So if I'm going 85mph on the Jersey Turnpike going to Six Flags I'm good? --- Alpha Sapphire FC: 2552 5569 3267 <cite>DarkProto05 posted [p:890449386] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>On the Garden State Parkway if you're doing the speed limit, you're a hazard.</quote> The right lane goes 10 over, the left lane goes anywhere from 15 to 20 over. Going the speed limit, especially near on and off ramps, is recipe for disaster. Cops don't even ticket in NJ on highways unless you're doing close to 25 over.</quote> Really? So if I'm going 85mph on the Jersey Turnpike going to Six Flags I'm good?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 11/15/17 3:47:00 PM #30:	DarkProto05 posted... s0nicfan posted... r4X0r posted... On the Garden State Parkway if you're doing the speed limit, you're a hazard. The right lane goes 10 over, the left lane goes anywhere from 15 to 20 over. Going the speed limit, especially near on and off ramps, is recipe for disaster. Cops don't even ticket in NJ on highways unless you're doing close to 25 over. Really? So if I'm going 85mph on the Jersey Turnpike going to Six Flags I'm good? I'm not going to say with 100% certainty you'll never get a ticket, but every time I've taken the Turnpike I've gone ~82 (I try to account for error in the speed gun) the whole duration (through NJ to NYC) and I've never been ticketed, and I drive a sports car so I'm sure I'd be a target. If you wanted to play it safe you could stick to going 80 and be totally safe. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:890451836] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkProto05 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>On the Garden State Parkway if you're doing the speed limit, you're a hazard.</quote> The right lane goes 10 over, the left lane goes anywhere from 15 to 20 over. Going the speed limit, especially near on and off ramps, is recipe for disaster. Cops don't even ticket in NJ on highways unless you're doing close to 25 over.</quote> Really? So if I'm going 85mph on the Jersey Turnpike going to Six Flags I'm good?</quote> I'm not going to say with 100% certainty you'll never get a ticket, but every time I've taken the Turnpike I've gone ~82 (I try to account for error in the speed gun) the whole duration (through NJ to NYC) and I've never been ticketed, and I drive a sports car so I'm sure I'd be a target. If you wanted to play it safe you could stick to going 80 and be totally safe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 11/15/17 3:49:50 PM #31:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Of course there should be. Things like crashing into people can still be banned Crashing into someone isn't a traffic ordinance violation. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:890452008] in Should dri... [t:75994164]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Of course there should be. Things like crashing into people can still be banned </quote> Crashing into someone isn't a traffic ordinance violation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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