Current Events > GOP senate attempts to repeal obamacare again; personal tax cuts made temporary

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Senate Republican leaders moved Tuesday to include a repeal of the Affordable Care Acts individual mandate in their tax bill, a major change of strategy as they try to accomplish two of their top domestic priorities in a single piece of legislation.

They also announced that the individual tax cuts in the plan would be made temporary, expiring at the end of 2025 to comply with Senate rules limiting the impact of legislation on the long-term deficit. A corporate tax cut, reducing the rate from 35 to 20 percent, would be left permanent.

The changes introduce volatile variables into what was already a challenging political enterprise for Republicans. And its unclear whether they will help or hurt the bills chances.

Repealing the mandate, which compels most Americans to buy health insurance or pay a fine, would free up more than $300 billion in government funding over the next decade that Republicans could use to finance their proposed tax cuts, but it would result in 13 million fewer people having health insurance, according to projections from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

The CBO has also projected that repealing the individual mandate would drive up insurance premiums for many Americans by roughly 10 percent.

tl;dr: changes are being made to fuck regular americans even harder in the senate variation of the bill.

And no, this was not 'always the plan'.
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since they can't get their tax plan passed they're trying to cut taxes via a health care bill, am i reading this right?
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Bullet_Wing posted...

That can't possibly count as reconciliation still, can it?

the only reason the individual mandate is legal is because it is considered a tax
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

since they can't get their tax plan passed they're trying to cut taxes via a health care bill, am i reading this right?

Other way around
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So basically they're fully aware this bill will never pass and are just stuffing in as many campaign promises as they can so they can blame Democrats for "blocking" them when it inevitably fails to get enough Republicans on board?
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my understanding is that it is less about trying to repeal Obamacare and more about trying to find money in the budget that GOP senators can all rally around

it is a short list of things they can all agree on
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BLAKUboy posted...

So basically they're fully aware this bill will never pass and are just stuffing in as many campaign promises as they can so they can blame Democrats for "blocking" them when it inevitably fails to get enough Republicans on board?

I wouldn't count on it not passing personally.
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People said the same thing about all 3 healthcare bills.
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BLAKUboy posted...

So basically they're fully aware this bill will never pass and are just stuffing in as many campaign promises as they can so they can blame Democrats for "blocking" them when it inevitably fails to get enough Republicans on board?

thune says that they have the fifty votes
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BLAKUboy posted...

People said the same thing about all 3 healthcare bills.

if you counted on those not passing, you are foolish
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The GOP is going out of its way to make sure none of its bills pass.
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Balrog0 posted...

my understanding is that it is less about trying to repeal Obamacare and more about trying to find money in the budget that GOP senators can all rally around

it is a short list of things they can all agree on

what's bizarre is that it removes personal deductions permanently while cutting rates temporarily

it's a uniquely insulting bill to the taxpayer
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Why is the Senate even attempting a tax bill?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origination_Clause

The GOP is astoundingly incompetent at governing
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Why is the Senate even attempting a tax bill?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origination_Clause

because the House is about to pass their version
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/politics/house-tax-overhaul-bill.html
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Antifar posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Why is the Senate even attempting a tax bill?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origination_Clause

because the House is about to pass their version
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/politics/house-tax-overhaul-bill.html

Then, the senate shouldn't really be invovled until the house passes it and hands the bill over.
The bigger reason the government is such a mess is because the halves of congress insist on trying to do things simultaneously.

the degree to which the rumor of the tax bill is being bought up right now on the stock market is absurd

down all week, then russell 2000 is up 2% today
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GregShmedley posted...

They're doing it to expedite the process.

specifically because if they can't do it by the alabama senate election they won't be able to do it at all
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GregShmedley posted...

They're doing it to expedite the process.

Which, of course, just makes it all take longer.
It's nothing more an obfuscation tactic, to confuse the public.

GregShmedley posted...

I'm not understanding.

When you've got a house bill and a senate bill at the same time, it becomes difficult to figure out what's really going on.

By design.

At this point I want the ACA repealed as at least that will end the damage being done to it by republicans.
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creativerealms posted...

At this point I want the ACA repealed as at least that will end the damage being done to it by republicans.

Republicans dicking around with ACA will only serve to accomplish its end-goal of crashing the private insurance system even sooner.

Darkman124 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

my understanding is that it is less about trying to repeal Obamacare and more about trying to find money in the budget that GOP senators can all rally around

it is a short list of things they can all agree on

what's bizarre is that it removes personal deductions permanently while cutting rates temporarily

it's a uniquely insulting bill to the taxpayer

Fair, next. Let the people feel the full burden of the taxes levied on them. There should be no more deductions of any kind.
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