Board 8 > Roy Moore, GOP Sen candidate in AL, sexually assaulted a 14 year old. He was 32.

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Crossfiyah posted...

Like you people have as poor of a grasp on what matters as they do.

this is stupid.

again, we all know and agree that a grown man sexually assaulting a 14 year old girl is fucking disgusting. it's the most obvious thing in the world. there's nothing to dicuss there and saying it is completely pointless.

we were discussing the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia because a) some people weren't aware of the difference and b) there's actually something to discuss there, because there's some disagreement.
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do what shit, argue about things? try to figure things out in different ways? find a subject that can be discussed in a larger topic?

you're seriously complaining that the peanut gallery is behaving like the peanut gallery.
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TheRock1525 posted...

The cultural reason goes more towards the ephebophilia. Certain cultures in America don't really bat an eyelash to a 14-15 year old having sex with a guy in college. Look at all the instances of high school males (14-18) getting into sexual affairs with older female teachers. While most are punished by law, there tends to be less of a pushback culturally on how disgusting the action is. And once again, look at the people coming out in defense Moore. It's because in a place like Alabama, an older man being with a teenager, even one legally not being able to consent, isn't seen as that big of a deal. If it came out Moore did it to a 10 year old, you can bet your ass they'd be distancing themselves a lot more.

gives perspective on the reactions we're seeing, thanks for this!
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I guess I'm still daftly hoping that at some point the peanut gallery will want to become more than just the peanut gallery.

Bare minimum, even if you aren't from Alabama you probably have at least one Republican senator or representative. You can call them and tell them to call for him to drop out.

That's a pretty low effort way to be more than the peanut gallery.

Or I don't know spend hours arguing about if pedophiles have a second-stage evolution or whatever you people are doing. I'm not your boss.
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Crossfiyah posted...

Bare minimum, even if you aren't from Alabama you probably have at least one Republican senator or representative. You can call them and tell them to call for him to drop out.

Well they pretty much all did that anyway, so...
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if only we could all be as enlightened as crossfiyah
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The level of cringe in this thread is awe-inspiring

Light that piece of shit on fire and feed him to pigs. What a garbage human.
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Crossfiyah posted...

Bare minimum, even if you aren't from Alabama you probably have at least one Republican senator or representative. You can call them and tell them to call for him to drop out.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is calling on Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore to exit the race amid allegations of an inappropriate sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl in 1979.

"The allegations against Roy Moore are deeply disturbing and disqualifying," McCain said in a statement. "He should immediately step aside and allow the people of Alabama to elect a candidate they can be proud of.

I don't really see the point
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tabiicat42 posted...

The level of cringe in this thread is awe-inspiring

thank you for your incredibly worthwhile contribution.
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It's not like these allegations are the last straw or something. There are far more obvious reasons why that guy is unqualified for public office.
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<_<; i live in NYC. even our republicans might as well be called democrats. i mean i guess we could talk about how he's already using DARVO on the allegation to raise funds - literally saying it's all lies by the forces of evil.

but i'd totally be down for talking about the evolution of a pedo, that seems interesting.
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Louis CK's manager tried silencing the women who have accused him over the years of abuse.

how is that proof

a person who didn't masturbate in front of women would also want to silence people accusing them of masurbating in front of women
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arizona hates john mccain so much they elected him 8 fucking times to office

i wish they hated the dude
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Because no one whose ever been guilty of a crime has threatened to sue for slander over people exposing it? Really?!
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charmander6000 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

How many 14 year-old girls in Alabama had their own land lines in their own bedroom in 1979?

Why would she have to have her own landline?

I think he more meant phone than a separate line for it. I doubt that it was very common for a kid to have a phone in their room in the late 70s. Hell even in the 90s I felt it was rare.

That being said I believe the allegation because of who it's against. But I do agree that does actually feel like a plot hole, to me. Not a big enough one to outright discredit the story, but if it were a guy I was neutral on, well, I might start trying to dissect it a bit more to see if holes start to add up.
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Lopen posted...

Hell even in the 90s I felt it was rare.

Well that's definitely not true.
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kevwaffles posted...

Lopen posted...

Hell even in the 90s I felt it was rare.

Well that's definitely not true.

Is it? I dunno. I grew up in rural America and I didn't know anyone who had a phone in their room

Usually was one phone in a more central location and that was it.
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What... the... fuck.
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Lopen posted...

charmander6000 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

How many 14 year-old girls in Alabama had their own land lines in their own bedroom in 1979?

Why would she have to have her own landline?

I think he more meant phone than a separate line for it. I doubt that it was very common for a kid to have a phone in their room in the late 70s. Hell even in the 90s I felt it was rare.

That being said I believe the allegation because of who it's against. But I do agree that does actually feel like a plot hole, to me. Not a big enough one to outright discredit the story, but if it were a guy I was neutral on, well, I might start trying to dissect it a bit more to see if holes start to add up.

Do you think teenage girls talking on phones for a long time is a recent thing? Sure maybe not every teenage girl had a phone in their room, but you can bet a bunch either had one in their room or were able to at least move the phone into their room.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

tabiicat42 posted...

Light that piece of shit on fire and feed him to pigs. What a garbage human.

Accusations by themselves are not proof. Innocent until proven guilty.

Unless of course it is you accusing a mass murderer of being antifa and posting about shooting up churches on facebook without providing any sort of proof that validates your assertions which amounts to accusations. So only your accusations are proof.
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charmander6000 posted...

Do you think teenage girls talking on phones for a long time is a recent thing? Sure maybe not every teenage girl had a phone in their room, but you can bet a bunch either had one in their room or were able to at least move the phone into their room.

In the late 70s in rural America though? I don't know.

It's hard to find data on this without doing more digging than I really want to since I'm not exactly what you'd call on the fence here, but it seems like a detail that would be easy to just take at face value without thinking about it, and something that wouldn't necessarily be true. Either through embellishment or outright fabrication.

I would be interested in like phone ownership statistics over time though if anyone has em. I may be completely off base there and my brief google search came up empty.
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My mom had a phone in her room when she was a teen, and so did a number of her friends.
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It's hilarious when people like Kevin Spacey, Roman Polanski, Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein do these things, they are terrible morally corrupt liberals. Hollywood is in a state of decay. These liberals embrace these unholy values!

When a Republican does it? Well, it's a conspiracy clearly.

Stupid ass Mark Levin.
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I never knew Rock was a Republican
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yeah, this really ain't the topic or board where any of those things apply. for starters, board 8's long since had people point out the difference of pedophilia and everything else. that list of names there - i would not put Spacey in the same category as Weinstein, who i'm not sure belongs in the same sentence as Cosby or Polanski. Spacey is a far, far cry from any of them. and lastly, i'm not sure anyone has really called it a conspiracy, far as i can tell Ulti's position - the only person who is anywhere close to this at that -
was basically more in line with just plain saying it's a lie.
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Wanglicious posted...

yeah, this really ain't the topic or board where any of those things apply. for starters, board 8's long since had people point out the difference of pedophilia and everything else. that list of names there - i would not put Spacey in the same category as Weinstein, who i'm not sure belongs in the same sentence as Cosby or Polanski. Spacey is a far, far cry from any of them. and lastly, i'm not sure anyone has really called it a conspiracy, far as i can tell Ulti's position - the only person who is anywhere close to this at that -
was basically more in line with just plain saying it's a lie.

This topic and this board in general are not important. I'm referring to how people with a public platform, such as Mark Levin, view this. My only real source of "news" outside of the internet is the radio, as I don't really watch TV for the news. I either listen to NPR, which is a more leveled and equal sort of platform, though I do feel it is designed to be listened to for the "liberals" of the world. Then in Atlanta specifically there's a conservative news radio station, which plays Mark Levin's show among other right wingers. I listen to this to balance my news intake, so I can't be called one-sided or ignorant of the total picture. About an hour ago I got off work, turned on this station and Levin is on there speaking about how this feels like a "hitjob" on Moore due to the timing. He basically made it seem like the Dems as well as McConnell were in on this to take Moore out because he's not part of the Establishment. This is his viewpoint, and I'm not making it up.

I'm not sure why you thought I was talking to you, Rock or Ulti because unless your name is Mark Levin my message clearly wasn't speaking to you.
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i don't even know who mark levin is but that argument sounds dangerously close to ulti's there.

and i (and evidently others) thought you were piggybacking on the attitudes and posts of people looking down at others in the topic/on the board. including the post directly above yours. if that wasn't it and more venting frustrations or whatever, my bad then.
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I can't even get past the first page because it's got Ulti taking a hard stance against calling someone a pedophile without definitive proof and I

Can't

Fucking

Deal
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I didn't read this topic in full because, well, just no.

Just wanted to post a short something on the subject and noticed this thread.
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Wow I decided to take a look through this guy's Wikipedia page and this guy has been scummy for a long time before this

He believes that homosexuality goes against "the laws of nature" and stated it is comparable with bestiality

In 2015, when asked if he believed that homosexuality should be punished by death, Moore answered, "I'm not here to outline any punishments for sodomy." Moore has appeared multiple times on a radio show hosted by a pastor who advocated for the view that homosexuals should be killed.

How is this guy real? He's like a parody of the right come to life
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He is a parody. There is a reason people got riled up when he won the primary in the first place.
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https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/928815796331208705
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I'll start off by saying those throwing around the words sexual assault may be off base. If I am reading this thread correctly, all the girls say everything was consensual. Thus, I do not think that really applied.

That said... I mean I could understand like a 19 yr old and a 14 yr old or a 20 and 16 or even a 45 and a 18 year old who is old enough to consent as she pleases. (Obviously the law is the law and you should go by your own states consent ages, but I can understand sometimes a small difference can occur naturally).

That said... A 30 some year old and a 14 year old strikes me as quite far past the line. Especially in terms of someone who should fully be aware of the consent laws.

Wasn't everyone wondering why Trump supported Moore's opponent in the primary? I wonder if this played anything into it.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

A woman accusing Louis CK by itself proves nothing. His manager trying to silence them is what proves it true. If it was false, Louis CK would just sue for slander.

So you admit that Trump sexually assaulted all those women
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Wanglicious posted...

yeah, this really ain't the topic or board where any of those things apply. for starters, board 8's long since had people point out the difference of pedophilia and everything else. that list of names there - i would not put Spacey in the same category as Weinstein, who i'm not sure belongs in the same sentence as Cosby or Polanski. Spacey is a far, far cry from any of them. and lastly, i'm not sure anyone has really called it a conspiracy, far as i can tell Ulti's position - the only person who is anywhere close to this at that -
was basically more in line with just plain saying it's a lie.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75969048

tell me again how Kevin Spacey's not as bad as Cosby or Polanski
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Corrik posted...

I'll start off by saying those throwing around the words sexual assault may be off base. If I am reading this thread correctly, all the girls say everything was consensual. Thus, I do not think that really applied.

Wasn't everyone wondering why Trump supported Moore's opponent in the primary? I wonder if this played anything into it.

I would be surprised if it did. .

Also the story as I heard it was this one.

Washington Post
"Alone with Corfman, Moore chatted with her and asked for her phone number, she says. Days later, she says, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, drove her about 30 minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear.

I wanted it over with I wanted out, she remembers thinking. Please just get this over with. Whatever this is, just get it over. Corfman says she asked Moore to take her home, and he did.

Two of Corfmans childhood friends say she told them at the time that she was seeing an older man, and one says Corfman identified the man as Moore. Wells says her daughter told her about the encounter more than a decade later, as Moore was becoming more prominent as a local judge.

Aside from Corfman, three other women interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks say Moore pursued them when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s, episodes they say they found flattering at the time, but troubling as they got older. None of the three women say that Moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/

Given this description I feel like you could, at best, call this contact "consensual" with heavy scare quotes. He still very clearly took advantage of vulnerable immature girls.
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Corrik posted...

I'll start off by saying those throwing around the words sexual assault may be off base. If I am reading this thread correctly, all the girls say everything was consensual. Thus, I do not think that really applied.

In Alabama, a 14 year old cannot legally give consent.
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Corrik posted...

Wasn't everyone wondering why Trump supported Moore's opponent in the primary?

No, everyone understood why: loyalty. People were just commenting on the concept that Moore is much closer to Trump policy-wise than Strange.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Corrik posted...

I'll start off by saying those throwing around the words sexual assault may be off base. If I am reading this thread correctly, all the girls say everything was consensual. Thus, I do not think that really applied.

In Alabama, a 14 year old cannot legally give consent.

Isn't that consent you are referring to in that situation in reference to sex itself? I am actually unsure of the law in this situation. I would think a 14 year old consensually kissing an older man wouldn't be sexual assault but some other form of crime.

Inappropriate conduct with a minor or something.
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I mean if you want to get into technicalities, yeah the crime is probably not sexual assault, but seeing as no one here but drak is a lawyer and even he doesn't practice in Alabama, we can probably safely lump it all under the sexual assault/abuse umbrella.

Like if found guilty he would be on the Sex offender registry and be unable to own a gun. The details really are sort of unimportant when it comes to this kind of thing dont you think?
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CherryCokes posted...

tell me again how Kevin Spacey's not as bad as Cosby or Polanski

kevin spacey is not as bad as Cosby, a guy who was a serial rapist who illegally drugged women, blackmailed them, and threatened them; he's also not as bad as Polanski, a guy who literally went to jail for raping people.

he's nowhere close to them.
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So getting a teenager drunk for the purposes of having nonconsensual sex with them - which he is alleged now to have done multiple times - doesn't rank up there for you? Really? Does he need to be hauled off in an orange jumpsuit and irons before you realize that he's just as bad as they are?
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Cosby is on another level of fucked up when compared to basically any of the recent sexual harassment/molestation scandals. Reading up on the history of what he did over the decades is both insane and surreal.
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Eddv posted...

I mean if you want to get into technicalities, yeah the crime is probably not sexual assault, but seeing as no one here but drak is a lawyer and even he doesn't practice in Alabama, we can probably safely lump it all under the sexual assault/abuse umbrella.

Like if found guilty he would be on the Sex offender registry and be unable to own a gun. The details really are sort of unimportant when it comes to this kind of thing dont you think?

I do not agree details are unimportant. I do agree, however, that the offense under the umbrella you mentioned prior, if true, is very troubling. It may not be pedophilia, but it is not hard to draw a bridge where that behavior could lead to it.
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well no, cosby isn't in an orange jumpsuit either. spacey wasn't saying "hey, if you aren't willing to fuck me, why should i consider you in my movie?" either. Polanski did.

those two guys had power over their victims far greater than spacey did; those two guys committed crimes far greater than spacey did; those two guys literally raped and sexually assaulted far more people than spacey did.

by every measurement you could ask for, he is not on their level.
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