Board 8 > College Football Discussion - Week 10

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Uncalled offensive Pass Interference to a ridiculous degree there.

Absolute bull shit loss.

Even more of a screw job than Florida was.
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Zzzzzzz
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Oklahoma is playing slightly more defense than OK State.
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Meow1000 posted...

In ND's case, I am skeptical they control their own destiny to begin with, because lack of a title game feels like it leaves them wide open to get passed by both Clemson and Oklahoma to begin with.

We saw last year that playing in the conference title game (much less winning it) is optional if you're good enough. Notre Dame's #3 ranking shows that the committee believes they're good enough. If they win out, that would potentially add two Top 25 wins in Miami and Stanford. They've got a good shot, and if Clemson or Oklahoma take a loss, that just makes it even more likely.
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swirIdude posted...

Meow1000 posted...

In ND's case, I am skeptical they control their own destiny to begin with, because lack of a title game feels like it leaves them wide open to get passed by both Clemson and Oklahoma to begin with.

We saw last year that playing in the conference title game (much less winning it) is optional if you're good enough. Notre Dame's #3 ranking shows that the committee believes they're good enough. If they win out, that would potentially add two Top 25 wins in Miami and Stanford. They've got a good shot, and if Clemson or Oklahoma take a loss, that just makes it even more likely.

Stanford won't be top 25 anymore after their loss, but Michigan State did them a favor today.

Which teams in the 15-25 region stay ranked could easily be the deciding factor, and that win probably keeps them ranked even if they drop another game.
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UCF defense decided not to tackle the SMU receiver several times on that TD play. This is going to be a tough game.
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OU has gotten in twice without a conference title game. Notre Dame will be fine if they win out.
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also Georgia just clinched the SEC East

man the rest of that division is such a dumpster fire
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LeonhartFour posted...

also Georgia just clinched the SEC East

man the rest of that division is such a dumpster fire

Par for the course in the current SEC era.
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LeonhartFour posted...

also Georgia just clinched the SEC East

man the rest of that division is such a dumpster fire

:(

I think we are still second if we beat Vandy... which says more about the rest of the East than us honestly
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The East winner usually hasn't clinched by the first weekend of November! The East has been bad for a few years now, but never quite this bad.
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It's not that the SEC East is worse this year, it's that for once there's a team good enough to advantage of the division sucking so much.
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Xeybozn posted...

It's not that the SEC East is worse this year, it's that for once there's a team good enough to advantage of the division sucking so much.

Hi... I'm a Kentucky fan. We're #2.....

The SEC East is worse this year... trust me..
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Xeybozn posted...

It's not that the SEC East is worse this year, it's that for once there's a team good enough to advantage of the division sucking so much.

Last I heard, Alabama would be a ~10 point favorite on Georgia.

Could be worse!
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Even when Oklahoma tries to gift it to them, OK State finds a way to lose to them.

This targeting penalty is literally meaningless.

Did.. They really just overturn a non-reviewable call?

What
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Meow1000 posted...

Even when Oklahoma tries to gift it to them, OK State finds a way to lose to them.

This targeting penalty is literally meaningless.

No it's not. Cause if the penalty happened before the turnover it would be OSU ball.
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Hearing something about an "egregious mistake".

Uh.. What's the point of a "non-reviewable" play if a loophole in the rules allows it to be overturned?
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Oh, OK State, you worthless dogs. Bailed out by something embedded somewhere in the rulebook and you don't do a damn thing with it.

Right team won.
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MrSmartGuy - Today at 7:07 PM
this is a weird scenario in this game
oklahoma state was driving
picked them off
after a tip
but targeting was called on the play
said it was after the interception though
but it occurred about a full second before it was intercepted
and that part can't be overturned
it is not reviewable
BUT, the rulebook says reviews can be used to overturn egregious mistakes
but when do you ever see that happen
MrSmartGuy - Today at 7:10
wow
they actually did it
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MrSmartGuy posted...

MrSmartGuy - Today at 7:07 PM
this is a weird scenario in this game
oklahoma state was driving
picked them off
after a tip
but targeting was called on the play
said it was after the interception though
but it occurred about a full second before it was intercepted
and that part can't be overturned
it is not reviewable
BUT, the rulebook says reviews can be used to overturn egregious mistakes
but when do you ever see that happen
MrSmartGuy - Today at 7:10
wow
they actually did it

And OK State in it's eternal determination to be Oklahoma's ***** made sure to make nothing of it anyway.
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So I have a question which might sound stupid but it always bothers me when I see it in college football and I see it enough for there possibly be a rule I don't know

Why are they so inconsistent about stopping the clock when players run out of bounds? So many times I see players get yards, run out of bounds or get pushed out of bounds and the clock keeps ticking.

I'm not too familiar with the NCAA rulebook, but I know there's a rule in the NFL that says going out of bounds only stops the clock in the last 5 minutes of each half.
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Wow really? That is a stupid rule but that would explain it. Didn't realize it existed in NFL too.

MrSmartGuy posted...

I'm not too familiar with the NCAA rulebook, but I know there's a rule in the NFL that says going out of bounds only stops the clock in the last 5 minutes of each half.

Since when?
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kevwaffles posted...

Whelp, GT is gonna miss out on a bowl game by going 5-6. Fuck everything.

The UVA kicker even somehow hit BOTH FUCKING GOALPOSTS and the PAT still went in.

The chances of 5-6 teams actually getting shut out of bowls is very slim, especially since every one of them lost their easiest game and would likely be given a special waiver even if by some miracle they don't still need more bowl teams once all of the 6-6 or better teams have been placed.

Meow1000 posted...

Wisconsin getting in would be such a horrendous thing for the game, though. They would become the new textbook reason to fill your schedule with as many cupcakes as possible, just like we had with the BCS.

That's what worries me.

The Big Ten is one of the conferences that plays 9 conference games, and I'm pretty sure they're one of the ones that makes everyone play at least one Power Five team...or BYU or Army. And, yes, Wisconsin used BYU for that requirement, and BYU is having one of their worst years ever, but you know what? One of their Group of Five opponents is literally the favorite to win their conference. Their non-conference schedule isn't great, but it certainly could be a whole lot worse.
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EmDubyaSee posted...

Uncalled offensive Pass Interference to a ridiculous degree there.

Absolute bull shit loss.

Even more of a screw job than Florida was.

It could be worse. It could be uncalled targeting, which is what will likely going to lead to Rutgers missing out on a bowl at 5-7. (Final drive of their Week 2 loss to Eastern Michigan. The only bright side is that even with that undeserved win, EMU will likely come up well short of a bowl game, unlike last year where the refs gave Central Michigan a win over Oklahoma State and the Chippewas wound up right at 6-6 and only made a bowl game because of that gift.)
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

EmDubyaSee posted...

Uncalled offensive Pass Interference to a ridiculous degree there.

Absolute bull shit loss.

Even more of a screw job than Florida was.

It could be worse. It could be uncalled targeting, which is what will likely going to lead to Rutgers missing out on a bowl at 5-7. (Final drive of their Week 2 loss to Eastern Michigan. The only bright side is that even with that undeserved win, EMU will likely come up well short of a bowl game, unlike last year where the refs gave Central Michigan a win over Oklahoma State and the Chippewas wound up right at 6-6 and only made a bowl game because of that gift.)

Damn... that sucks.
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Hi I'm posting from husky stadium to remind you guys that 13-0 wisconsin still requires one of ND clemson or oklahoma to lose. They just do. Yes wisconsin would be out of the playoffs. Don't bother remembering I said this, because one of those three WOULD lose a game and so will wisconsin so it's moot

People are crazy if they think Wisconsin do t get in if undefeated. Exhibit A. Baylor every single year get in if they don't lose despite playing pathetic schedule after pathetic schedule. Only reason they haven't made it is because they somehow always found a way to lose a game

Like I'm pretty sure one year they were in consideration despite having a SOS of like 120 something

ShatteredElysium posted...

People are crazy if they think Wisconsin do t get in if undefeated. Exhibit fucking A. Baylor every single year get in if they don't lose despite playing pathetic schedule after pathetic schedule. Only reason they haven't made it is because they somehow always found a way to lose a game

Why would you want to talk about this...?

You already have two losses, so that means if Wisconsin makes the Playoff you won't even make one of the Sugar, Peach, Cotton, Rose, Fiesta, or Orange Bowls as that means you'll have 3 losses.
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I don't think Wisconsin win out. But if they do they absolutely are in and I can't fathom why anybody would think they are not which is why I want to talk about it

ShatteredElysium posted...

I don't think Wisconsin win out. But if they do they absolutely are in and I can't fathom why anybody would think they are not which is why I want to talk about it

I have trouble seeing a situation where Wisconsin doesn't get in over 1 loss Clemson and 1 loss OU (especially since at that point in time OU's win over OSU (Ohio) would be cancelled out by Wisconsin doing the same...
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ShatteredElysium posted...

People are crazy if they think Wisconsin do t get in if undefeated. Exhibit A. Baylor every single year get in if they don't lose despite playing pathetic schedule after pathetic schedule. Only reason they haven't made it is because they somehow always found a way to lose a game

Like I'm pretty sure one year they were in consideration despite having a SOS of like 120 something

Same case for Miami, although Miami winning out would include three top 25 wins in the last few games and make their inclusion more obvious than Wisconsin's.
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EmDubyaSee posted...

Uncalled offensive Pass Interference to a ridiculous degree there.

On the other hand

Has there been a time in the past 10 years when a Kentucky cornerback knew the ball was coming?
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bng_mmmk posted...

EmDubyaSee posted...

Uncalled offensive Pass Interference to a ridiculous degree there.

On the other hand

Has there been a time in the past 10 years when a Kentucky cornerback knew the ball was coming?

2009 I think we had a really good defense and literally no offense. (May have been 11 or 12.., can't remember)
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Oh. Ok. Probably whenever we kept Florida to 14 points, 0 coming in the 2nd half, but could only manage 3 FGs and lost 14-9.
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Miami deserves to be in if they win out. Wisconsin does not.

Also: MSU/OSU is still a pretty significant game as far as Notre Dame and Oklahoma are concerned. MSU is a virtual lock to make the big ten title game with a win (they would need to drop games to both Maryland and Rutgers), and Ohio State probably makes it with a win. Notre Dame and Oklahoma have resounding road wins against MSU and OSU, respectively.

MSU would have a head-to-head sweep in a four way tie with PSU/OSU/Michigan. That has to be the absolute tiebreaker, right?
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Wisconsin's schedule is about equal to the average AAC team but nobody thinks UCF is a playoff threat

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

The chances of 5-6 teams actually getting shut out of bowls is very slim, especially since every one of them lost their easiest game and would likely be given a special waiver even if by some miracle they don't still need more bowl teams once all of the 6-6 or better teams have been placed.

The one GT lost was UCF. We can't argue that that was our easiest game at this point.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Wisconsin's schedule is about equal to the average AAC team but nobody thinks UCF is a playoff threat

That's the power of perception and reputation for you. It helps to play in a Power 5 conference, even if your division is trash.
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Meow1000 posted...

Miami deserves to be in if they win out. Wisconsin does not.

Also: MSU/OSU is still a pretty significant game as far as Notre Dame and Oklahoma are concerned. MSU is a virtual lock to make the big ten title game with a win (they would need to drop games to both Maryland and Rutgers), and Ohio State probably makes it with a win. Notre Dame and Oklahoma have resounding road wins against MSU and OSU, respectively.

MSU would have a head-to-head sweep in a four way tie with PSU/OSU/Michigan. That has to be the absolute tiebreaker, right?

OSU/MSU control their own destiny. If either wins out, they are in Big Ten title game as they would hold H2H wins over the other 3

kevwaffles posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

The chances of 5-6 teams actually getting shut out of bowls is very slim, especially since every one of them lost their easiest game and would likely be given a special waiver even if by some miracle they don't still need more bowl teams once all of the 6-6 or better teams have been placed.

The one GT lost was UCF. We can't argue that that was our easiest game at this point.

Oh. Huh.
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Predictions for this week's top 25:

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Notre Dame
4. Clemson
5. Oklahoma
6. Miami (FL)
7. TCU
8. Wisconsin
9. Washington
10. Auburn
11. Oklahoma State
12. Michigan State
13. Ohio State
14. USC
15. Mississippi State
16. Penn State
17. Virginia Tech
18. UCF
19. Washington State
20. West Virginia
21. Michigan
22. Memphis
23. Northwestern
24. Iowa
25. Iowa State

...Yeah, I really don't know near the end. I think that with those big wins they have, ISU is a good candidate to stay in the top 25... those final three are basically determined by head-to-head. Iowa's got the big blowout of Ohio State yesterday and beat Iowa State (which still has the resume to stick around; being the lone blemish for both of your conference's top teams will do that), but lost to a Northwestern team that is also 6-3 with an upset of Michigan State.

I do think Miami will jump TCU and Wisconsin due to the quality of their opponent, and that South Carolina is a good enough opponent that Georgia won't be jumped yet.

Other teams that could get in there include LSU, NC State, Toledo, and South Florida.
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Predictions for this week's top 25:

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Notre Dame
4. Clemson
5. Oklahoma
6. Miami (FL)
7. TCU
8. Wisconsin
9. Washington
10. Auburn
11. Oklahoma State
12. Michigan State
13. Ohio State
14. USC
15. Mississippi State
16. Penn State
17. Virginia Tech
18. UCF
19. Washington State
20. West Virginia
21. Michigan
22. Memphis
23. Northwestern
24. Iowa
25. Iowa State

...Yeah, I really don't know near the end. I think that with those big wins they have, ISU is a good candidate to stay in the top 25... those final three are basically determined by head-to-head. Iowa's got the big blowout of Ohio State yesterday and beat Iowa State (which still has the resume to stick around; being the lone blemish for both of your conference's top teams will do that), but lost to a Northwestern team that is also 6-3 with an upset of Michigan State.

I do think Miami will jump TCU and Wisconsin due to the quality of their opponent, and that South Carolina is a good enough opponent that Georgia won't be jumped yet.

Other teams that could get in there include LSU, NC State, Toledo, and South Florida.

Georgia is never gonna be jumped. (Unless it is this week) they both play Auburn and then 2 games of mediocre.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Miami deserves to be in if they win out. Wisconsin does not.

Also: MSU/OSU is still a pretty significant game as far as Notre Dame and Oklahoma are concerned. MSU is a virtual lock to make the big ten title game with a win (they would need to drop games to both Maryland and Rutgers), and Ohio State probably makes it with a win. Notre Dame and Oklahoma have resounding road wins against MSU and OSU, respectively.

MSU would have a head-to-head sweep in a four way tie with PSU/OSU/Michigan. That has to be the absolute tiebreaker, right?

OSU/MSU control their own destiny. If either wins out, they are in Big Ten title game as they would hold H2H wins over the other 3

The thing is MSU wouldn't even have to win out. They'd have to beat just 1 of Maryland or Rutgers.

ND@Miami will probably be 3@6. Miami embarrassed VT.
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Yeah I guess so. I didn't look ahead at MSU's schedule, just knew what our own schedule was.

Although I think the exact same criteria applies to us. If we beat MSU and then only won 1 of the remaining 2 games (Illinois and Michigan), I think we'd still win the tiebreaker. If that were to happen, the more likely scenario would be OSU beating Illinois then slipping up against Michigan so let's see how that looks.

Ohio State - 2 conference losses, wins over Penn State and Michigan State
Michigan State - 2 conference losses, wins over Michigan and Penn State
Penn State - 2 conference losses, win over Michigan
Michigan - 2 conference losses, win over Ohio State

I think Ohio State wins that tiebreaker because I think OSU and MSU having 2 wins in that group of 4 eliminates the other 2. And then Ohio State wins tiebreaker directly over Michigan State due to H2H.

So yeah, OSU/MSU next week is basically the de facto play in game for the Big Ten championship. Penn State and Michigan need the winner of that game to lose their remaining 2 games after that to have a chance I think

kevwaffles posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

The chances of 5-6 teams actually getting shut out of bowls is very slim, especially since every one of them lost their easiest game and would likely be given a special waiver even if by some miracle they don't still need more bowl teams once all of the 6-6 or better teams have been placed.

The one GT lost was UCF. We can't argue that that was our easiest game at this point.

We absolutely would have won that game and maybe we would have been ranked 15 instead of 18 if that had happened.
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UCF only being 18 is criminal anyway. They should be way higher. I mean who had Miami or Wisconsin beaten at the point of the rankings last week? Sure they play in a power 5 conference but they didn't have any credible wins on their schedule. Not any more so than UCF and UCF were also beating teams in impressive fashion unlike Miami/Wisconsin. Plus UCF had a ranked win on their resume.

There's no way UCF should have been 9-10 spots lower than them. UCF should have been in the low teens

swirIdude posted...

kevwaffles posted...

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

The chances of 5-6 teams actually getting shut out of bowls is very slim, especially since every one of them lost their easiest game and would likely be given a special waiver even if by some miracle they don't still need more bowl teams once all of the 6-6 or better teams have been placed.

The one GT lost was UCF. We can't argue that that was our easiest game at this point.

We absolutely would have won that game and maybe we would have been ranked 15 instead of 18 if that had happened.

All of our losses besides Clemson so far were close, twice by only a point. A monsoon had to start in the 4th for Miami to win at home. I wouldn't count that as an automatic win.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

UCF only being 18 is criminal anyway. They should be way higher. I mean who had Miami or Wisconsin beaten at the point of the rankings last week? Sure they play in a power 5 conference but they didn't have any credible wins on their schedule. Not any more so than UCF and UCF were also beating teams in impressive fashion unlike Miami/Wisconsin. Plus UCF had a ranked win on their resume.

There's no way UCF should have been 9-10 spots lower than them. UCF should have been in the low teens

The power 5 cartel is real.
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