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Im never gonna question the practicality of that hugeass nose ever again
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Logic tells me that of course, since the Super Nintendo came out in 11/90, that they would have been working on it for quite awhile before release, but it still feels weird to see 1989 on that document for some reason.
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Wasnt there a Yoshi's Cookie game before SMW?
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BigTee66 posted...

Wasnt there a Yoshi's Cookie game before SMW?

Super Mario World released in 1990
Yoshi's Cookie released in 1992

Yoshi was originally supposed to be a Koopa. Notice he has a red shell instead of a saddle.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Yoshi was originally supposed to be a Koopa. Notice he has a red shell instead of a saddle.

It was also initially intended for Mario to hit him to get his tongue to stick out.
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Miyamoto wanted a rideable dinosaur in the first Super Mario Bros.
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MB2012 posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

Yoshi was originally supposed to be a Koopa. Notice he has a red shell instead of a saddle.

It was also initially intended for Mario to hit him to get his tongue to stick out.

:(

Foppe posted...

Miyamoto wanted a rideable dinosaur in the first Super Mario Bros.

Allegedly, he had this image on his desk for five years before Yoshi was finalized.

He is supposed to have had a sketch of Mario riding a horse during the SMB3 development.
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MB2012 posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

Yoshi was originally supposed to be a Koopa. Notice he has a red shell instead of a saddle.

It was also initially intended for Mario to hit him to get his tongue to stick out.

That's how it works, though. Mario punches Yoshi in the back of the head and Yoshi sticks his tongue out.
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It's modified from a strike, but he's clearly just signally to Yoshi to stick his tongue out.

But hey, if you believe that Mario is dying on the cover of the first game, or that Bowser is having an affair with Peach, Mario being abusive to Yoshi isn't any less ridiculous of a conspiracy theory.

Skye Reynolds posted...

It's modified from a strike, but he's clearly just signally to Yoshi to stick his tongue out.

No, he's clearly punching Yoshi in the back of his head. I even just loaded the game up to double check.
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I just watched a clip on Youtube at 1/4th speed.

Mario's fist goes beside Yoshi's head, then Yoshi ducks his head and sticks out his tongue as Mario's hand briefly lingers above it. If they could have mastered such fine detail with the new technology, I'm sure they would have had Mario's index finger pointing forward.

Is this a meme
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http://www.mariouniverse.com/images/sprites/snes/smw/mario-yoshi.gif

Bottom row of sprites. He's clearly punching Yoshi. If they had wanted him to "point" it could have easily been done with a couple extra pixels.
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You'll have to link to the main page. The direct link isn't working.

In any event, Mario's hand clearly goes past Yoshi's head in the still frame I posted above.

TrevorBlack79 posted...

http://www.mariouniverse.com/images/sprites/snes/smw/mario-yoshi.gif

Bottom row of sprites. He's clearly punching Yoshi. If they had wanted him to "point" it could have easily been done with a couple extra pixels.

It was something they decided upon after the game was finished because play testers didn't like the fact that Mario punched Yoshi. IIRC there used to be a different sound effect that sounded more like a punch and they changed it to what it is now because it was too late to edit the sprites.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

You'll have to link to the main page. The direct link isn't working.

In any event, Mario's hand clearly goes past Yoshi's head in the still frame I posted above.

Works fine for me. Anyway, agree to disagree. You're literally the first person I've ever encountered who didn't see it as Mario punching Yoshi, though. For the past 27 years literally everyone I've played the game with has seen it that way.
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https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2017/9/28/16378812/super-mario-world-mario-punching-yoshi

According to an interview, Mario isn't punching Yoshi, but that was originally the plan.
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Metua posted...

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2017/9/28/16378812/super-mario-world-mario-punching-yoshi

According to an interview, Mario isn't punching Yoshi, but that was originally the plan.

If Mario isn't supposed to be punching Yoshi, they probably shouldn't have made the sprite look like Mario punching Yoshi.
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It's literally baby Yoshi's head on a Yoshi body >_>
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Mario is donkey punching Yoshi?

Skye Reynolds posted...

You'll have to link to the main page. The direct link isn't working.

in the future when a link does this, just refresh the page
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

Metua posted...

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2017/9/28/16378812/super-mario-world-mario-punching-yoshi

According to an interview, Mario isn't punching Yoshi, but that was originally the plan.

If Mario isn't supposed to be punching Yoshi, they probably shouldn't have made the sprite look like Mario punching Yoshi.

They were dealing with a new system. It was probably easier to leave Mario's hand as a round circle than to try and animate an index finger. Or maybe they had faith in player's to know that Mario was throwing his fist forward and not physically abusing Yoshi.

I mean, come on. This would be like Mickey Mouse kicking Pluto.

NeonOctopus posted...

It's literally baby Yoshi's head on a Yoshi body >_>

If these are real, it's safe to say that they reused the original Yoshi's face for the baby's.

Skye Reynolds posted...

They were dealing with a new system. It was probably easier to leave Mario's hand as a round circle than to try and animate an index finger. Or maybe they had faith in player's to know that Mario was throwing his fist forward and not physically abusing Yoshi.

I mean, come on. This would be like Mickey Mouse kicking Pluto.

You mean like how the original backstory to Donkey Kong is that Mario mistreat Donkey Kong really badly?
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Foppe posted...

You mean like how the original backstory to Donkey Kong is that Mario mistreat Donkey Kong really badly?

That one's probably an urban legend or a backstory written for Donkey Kong Jr., but wrongfully attributed to the first game.

Whatever the case, Mario's characterization was firmly established by Super Mario World. The idea of him punching Yoshi in the back of the head to get him to move seems ridiculous. Again, his hand goes past Yoshi's head.

I've never seen it as Mario punching Yoshi, nor have I ever met anyone that has
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Foppe posted...

You mean like how the original backstory to Donkey Kong is that Mario mistreat Donkey Kong really badly?

That one's probably an urban legend or a backstory written for Donkey Kong Jr., but wrongfully attributed to the first game.

Whatever the case, Mario's characterization was firmly established by Super Mario World. The idea of him punching Yoshi in the back of the head to get him to move seems ridiculous. Again, his hand goes past Yoshi's head.

He is a douchebag in Donkey Kong Circus.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

http://www.mariouniverse.com/images/sprites/snes/smw/mario-yoshi.gif

Bottom row of sprites. He's clearly punching Yoshi. If they had wanted him to "point" it could have easily been done with a couple extra pixels.

You are literally objectively wrong in this case. Yoshi's mouth opens before Mario's hand comes.
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GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

http://www.mariouniverse.com/images/sprites/snes/smw/mario-yoshi.gif

Bottom row of sprites. He's clearly punching Yoshi. If they had wanted him to "point" it could have easily been done with a couple extra pixels.

You are literally objectively wrong in this case. Yoshi's mouth opens before Mario's hand comes.

In that case, how is Yoshi responding to Mario "pointing?" Either way, effect precedes cause.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

http://www.mariouniverse.com/images/sprites/snes/smw/mario-yoshi.gif

Bottom row of sprites. He's clearly punching Yoshi. If they had wanted him to "point" it could have easily been done with a couple extra pixels.

You are literally objectively wrong in this case. Yoshi's mouth opens before Mario's hand comes.

In that case, how is Yoshi responding to Mario "pointing?" Either way, effect precedes cause.

Yoshi isn't responding to anything. They're both moving at the same time, Mario's action is a pointless "take this!" kind of action. This is a common thing in video games to have 2 characters doing actions simultaneously.
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MarqueeSeries posted...

I've never seen it as Mario punching Yoshi, nor have I ever met anyone that has

This
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GiftedACIII posted...

Yoshi isn't responding to anything. They're both moving at the same time, Mario's action is a pointless "take this!" kind of action. This is a common thing in video games to have 2 characters doing actions simultaneously.

This interview says otherwise.

Metua posted...

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2017/9/28/16378812/super-mario-world-mario-punching-yoshi

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MB2012 posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

Yoshi was originally supposed to be a Koopa. Notice he has a red shell instead of a saddle.

It was also initially intended for Mario to hit him to get his tongue to stick out.

But contrary to normie belief, thats not what Mario actually does.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Yoshi isn't responding to anything. They're both moving at the same time, Mario's action is a pointless "take this!" kind of action. This is a common thing in video games to have 2 characters doing actions simultaneously.

This interview says otherwise.

Metua posted...

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2017/9/28/16378812/super-mario-world-mario-punching-yoshi

The interview says that it's canon that he points for Yoshi while only the initial plan was to have him get punched. So you're objectively wrong either way. Ingame, Yoshi prepares to lick before Mario's hand moves while the official word from the creators is that he's pointing.
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fake

GiftedACIII posted...

The interview says that it's canon that he points for Yoshi while only the initial plan was to have him get punched.

Wrong.

Apparently Hino and the rest of the team at Nintendo thought so, too. They then changed the story: Marios not actually punching Yoshi. Hes just commanding Yoshi to extend his tongue with an assertively pointed finger.

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As powerful as the Super Nintendo was, it was really just one step up from Super Mario Bros. 3 in terms of graphics and what not. The technology was still new and they hadn't figured everything out yet. There's a reason why the graphics in Super Mario World didn't look like those of Donkey Kong Country, Super Metroid, or Yoshi's Island. You gotta walk before you can run.

It's possible that they may have tried animating the finger at one point and it just didn't look right. Look at that snowball that Mario calls a hand and tell me that having a pointed finger extending for a fraction of a second would look good.

If they did that, we'd probably be dealing with rumors that Mario sticks his finger in Yoshi's eye. The internet will do anything to try and cast dirt on something.

TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The interview says that it's canon that he points for Yoshi while only the initial plan was to have him get punched.

Wrong.

Apparently Hino and the rest of the team at Nintendo thought so, too. They then changed the story: Marios not actually punching Yoshi. Hes just commanding Yoshi to extend his tongue with an assertively pointed finger.

I know your gimmick is to be as intentionally dense as possible but that's what I just said.
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GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The interview says that it's canon that he points for Yoshi while only the initial plan was to have him get punched.

Wrong.

Apparently Hino and the rest of the team at Nintendo thought so, too. They then changed the story: Marios not actually punching Yoshi. Hes just commanding Yoshi to extend his tongue with an assertively pointed finger.

I know your gimmick is to be as intentionally dense as possible but that's what I just said.

No, you said they're acting at the same time. The interview says Mario is commanding Yoshi, which precludes the possibility that their actions are simultaneous. The command by necessity precedes the action.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The interview says that it's canon that he points for Yoshi while only the initial plan was to have him get punched.

Wrong.

Apparently Hino and the rest of the team at Nintendo thought so, too. They then changed the story: Marios not actually punching Yoshi. Hes just commanding Yoshi to extend his tongue with an assertively pointed finger.

I know your gimmick is to be as intentionally dense as possible but that's what I just said.

No, you said they're acting at the same time. The interview says Mario is commanding Yoshi, which precludes the possibility that their actions are simultaneous. The command by necessity precedes the action.

I know, I said in the interview, he's officially said to point for yoshi. I said they're acting at the same time in the game. So even if you didn't want to go by the word of the creators and go "well, there's no index finger in the sprites" yoshi still licks before Mario raises his hand so your moronic "Mario punches Yoshi" claim is objectively wrong in every instance.
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GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The interview says that it's canon that he points for Yoshi while only the initial plan was to have him get punched.

Wrong.

Apparently Hino and the rest of the team at Nintendo thought so, too. They then changed the story: Marios not actually punching Yoshi. Hes just commanding Yoshi to extend his tongue with an assertively pointed finger.

I know your gimmick is to be as intentionally dense as possible but that's what I just said.

No, you said they're acting at the same time. The interview says Mario is commanding Yoshi, which precludes the possibility that their actions are simultaneous. The command by necessity precedes the action.

I know, I said in the interview, he's officially said to point for yoshi. I said they're acting at the same time in the game. So even if you didn't want to go by the word of the creators and go "well, there's no index finger in the sprites" yoshi still licks before Mario raises his hand so your moronic "Mario punches Yoshi" claim is objectively wrong in every instance.

I'm talking about your moronic statement that they're acting simultaneously despite the creators saying otherwise. You either take the creators word for it or you don't. Either Mario commands Yoshi as the creators say, or they act simultaneously as the game shows. Similarly, either Mario commands Yoshi as the creators say, or Mario punches Yoshi as the game shows. You can't have it both ways, dude. Either we go by what we're told, or we go by what we see.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The interview says that it's canon that he points for Yoshi while only the initial plan was to have him get punched.

Wrong.

Apparently Hino and the rest of the team at Nintendo thought so, too. They then changed the story: Marios not actually punching Yoshi. Hes just commanding Yoshi to extend his tongue with an assertively pointed finger.

I know your gimmick is to be as intentionally dense as possible but that's what I just said.

No, you said they're acting at the same time. The interview says Mario is commanding Yoshi, which precludes the possibility that their actions are simultaneous. The command by necessity precedes the action.

I know, I said in the interview, he's officially said to point for yoshi. I said they're acting at the same time in the game. So even if you didn't want to go by the word of the creators and go "well, there's no index finger in the sprites" yoshi still licks before Mario raises his hand so your moronic "Mario punches Yoshi" claim is objectively wrong in every instance.

I'm talking about your moronic statement that they're acting simultaneously despite the creators saying otherwise. You either take the creators word for it or you don't. Either Mario commands Yoshi as the creators say, or they act simultaneously as the game shows. Similarly, either Mario commands Yoshi as the creators say, or Mario punches Yoshi as the game shows. You can't have it both ways, dude. Either we go by what we're told, or we go by what we see.

Yeah, they're not acting simultaneously, Mario is commanding Yoshi since creators are the Word of God. However, the game doesn't show Mario punching Yoshi because the game has Yoshi licking before Mario's hand comes so either way you look at it, the Mario punching claim is objectively wrong. Can your small head wrap your mind around that?
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Okay, it's time to stop humoring Trevor.

- the artwork shows Mario pointing
- the in-game sprites have the hand clearly missing Yoshi's head
- common sense would dictate that the squeaky clean hero is not abusing his animal friend
- the people who worked on the game have said that Mario was originally meant to strike Yoshi, but that he does in fact point rather than strike

At first he was being obstinate. Now he's throwing insults at people for not agreeing with his made up premise that Mario is beating Yoshi. Just ignore him and move on. It's time to stop feeding the troll.

i prefer beta yoshi
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GiftedACIII posted...

Yeah, they're not acting simultaneously,

Took you long enough to acknowledge as much.

Skye Reynolds posted...

At first he was being obstinate. Now he's throwing insults at people

The only "insult" I threw was identical to the one thrown at me: "your moronic statement." Responding in kind is perfectly appropriate in this situation.

Bottom line: the animated sprites clearly show Mario's fist either connect or overlap with Yoshi's head. Since an interview was apparently necessary to clear this up, obviously plenty of people misunderstood. I'll happily admit I was wrong on the developers' intent, but it always has and always will look like he's punching Yoshi to me. Sorry if that upsets you two badly enough to flame people over.
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SerperiorThanU posted...

Trevor is a known troll.

I don't troll. You, on the other hand, at one point made a gimmick out of calling users "junkies in poverty," so you really don't have room to talk about trolls.
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