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TrevorBlack79 posted...

I've been far more civil than you. If anyone's throwing a tantrum, it's you. All I'm doing is presenting facts, and you reply with personal attacks and insults, then get butthurt when I send them back your way. Thew truly ironic thing is that you don't see that these "insults" more accurately describe you than they do anyone else in this topic. Try getting a life. If it really triggers you this much that someone is "wrong" about video game sprites, you may want to take a day or two away from the internet.

Yeah, you are truly delusional. What facts have you presented? List them. Practically everything you've posted is an intentional misinterpretation to bullshit me. And I haven't insulted you, I've objectively described and criticized your behavior. I wouldn't be talking about triggered seeing how you spent so much effort and time to use insane troll logic in an attempt to "win" even though anybody can see that you're wrong and you can't handle being wrong.
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https://www.nintendo.com/super-nes-classic/interview-super-mario-world

Hino: During development of Super Mario Maker, we began to wonder why Mario's hand moves when Yoshi sticks out its tongue in Super Mario World. Many people thought Mario was pointing forward and saying, "Go!" and that's why Yoshi sticks out its tongue.

But that isn't so?
Hino: Actually, we did the animation with the idea that Mario is hitting Yoshi on the head and Yoshi is sticking out its tongue in surprise.

Oh, really? (laughs)
Hino: There's even a bonk! sound. (laughs) But we thought people would feel sorry for Yoshi, so we decided to pass it off as Mario saying, "Go!" (laughs)

The animation and sound were completed. Only the official story was changed. The animation, according to Hino, depicts Mario punching Yoshi. Word. Of. God.
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@GiftedACIII
@Skye_Reynolds

I'll accept your apologies at your earliest convenience.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

@GiftedACIII
@Skye_Reynolds

I'll accept your apologies at your earliest convenience.

stop fucking up this topic, get a room you 3.

On topic - where was this file found?

TrevorBlack79 posted...

I'll accept your apologies at your earliest convenience.

I'm not giving one. He doesn't punch Yoshi.

SamuelHayden posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

@GiftedACIII
@Skye_Reynolds

I'll accept your apologies at your earliest convenience.

stop fucking up this topic, get a room you 3.

On topic - where was this file found?

As soon as they acknowledge they were wrong about the animation, and out of line with the insults, I'm out.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

@GiftedACIII
@Skye_Reynolds

I'll accept your apologies at your earliest convenience.

stop fucking up this topic, get a room you 3.

On topic - where was this file found?

As soon as they acknowledge they were wrong about the animation, and out of line with the insults, I'm out.

Stop acting like a damn toddler.

The interview only says that he was initially supposed to strike Yoshi, not that he does. The in-game animation doesn't show Mario's hand connecting with Yoshi. You were proven wrong early on and yet you insist on continuing to argue.

Get over it.

@Skye_Reynolds

TrevorBlack79 posted...

https://www.nintendo.com/super-nes-classic/interview-super-mario-world

Hino: During development of Super Mario Maker, we began to wonder why Mario's hand moves when Yoshi sticks out its tongue in Super Mario World. Many people thought Mario was pointing forward and saying, "Go!" and that's why Yoshi sticks out its tongue.

But that isn't so?
Hino: Actually, we did the animation with the idea that Mario is hitting Yoshi on the head and Yoshi is sticking out its tongue in surprise.

Oh, really? (laughs)
Hino: There's even a bonk! sound. (laughs) But we thought people would feel sorry for Yoshi, so we decided to pass it off as Mario saying, "Go!" (laughs)

The animation and sound were completed. Only the official story was changed. The animation, according to Hino, depicts Mario punching Yoshi. Word. Of. God.

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The animation doesn't show him striking him though. There's no contact made.

Besides, as stated in the very line that you quoted, the explanation changed. Canonically, Mario is not hitting Yoshi. And there is no bop sound. He's telling him "Go."

It's just like a director of a movie mentioning something that was originally planned for a character, but left out. Just because they originally had other plans for that character, it doesn't mean they're a part of the finished product.

With the exception of competitive games like Mario Kart and Smash Bros., there's never been a time when Mario has struck Yoshi to get him to do something.

Skye Reynolds posted...

The animation doesn't show him striking him though.

God says otherwise.

Hino: Actually, we did the animation with the idea that Mario is hitting Yoshi on the head and Yoshi is sticking out its tongue in surprise.

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Him: "We were gonna do this thing, but we changed our mind."

You: "HE TOTALLY DID THE THING. WORD OF GOD."

Mario's hand misses in the sprites.

Maybe he's pulling the interviewer's tail. Maybe he forgot that they modified the sprites slightly. Or maybe the miss is unintentional and a consequence of the new technology. But the hand goes past Yoshi, not into the back of his head.

In any event, the hand misses and the official explanation is that he's telling Yoshi to go. What was originally intended is just trivia. It's like saying Yoshi is a Koopa because he was originally conceived as one.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Him: "We were gonna do this thing, but we changed our mind."

No. It's literally "We did this thing, but decided people wouldn't like that, so we just said he did this other thing instead, even though it still clearly shows the thing we actually did."
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Mario's hand misses in the sprites.

You're blind. There is literally no other explanation available. Mario's hand indisputably connects with/overlaps Yoshi's head.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Maybe he's pulling the interviewer's tail. Maybe he forgot that they modified the sprites slightly. Or maybe the miss is unintentional and a consequence of the new technology.

You're grasping at straws.
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Why is this still going on
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Changing the explanation of the action = changing the action.

The fist doesn't connect. Maybe he was meant to strike Yoshi on the cheek, but that's not evident without the bop noise. Yoshi doesn't wince. He doesn't react. He simply sticks his tongue out.

You can cling to their original intent as much as you like, but that doesn't mean that he's striking Yoshi. Canonically, he isn't.

And, at the risk of sounding redundant, his fist is never shown to actually connect.

Metua posted...

Why is this still going on

Because sometimes, when a boxer has been dominated for 12 rounds, they still swear up and down that they won the fight.

Skye Reynolds posted...

The fist doesn't connect.

Demonstrably wrong.



The second, third, and fourth sprites clearly show connection.

Skye Reynolds posted...

that's not evident without the bop noise.

The noise is in the game. Again, God literally said the noise is present. I've heard it myself since the first time I played the game, so I'm not sure what your issue is with that.

Skye Reynolds posted...

You can cling to their original intent as much as you like, but that doesn't mean that he's striking Yoshi. Canonically, he isn't.

I've acknowledged as much itt. Twice, at least. I'm talking about what the animation shows, which is relevant since it was never actually changed.
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You're missing this frame of animation:



And there isn't an audible "bop." When you skip the second frame and go A-C-D-E, it tells a different story from what is actually in the game.

That frame still shows connection...

Skye Reynolds posted...

And there isn't an audible "bop."

God says otherwise. I'm going to trust him and my own ears over you, if you don't mind.
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The second frame, not present in the series you've shown, clearly shows the fist going past Yoshi's head. And there isn't an audible bop. If you have the audio clip, feel free to share it. It must've been removed from my copy of the game.

TrevorBlack79 posted...

https://www.nintendo.com/super-nes-classic/interview-super-mario-world

Hino: During development of Super Mario Maker, we began to wonder why Mario's hand moves when Yoshi sticks out its tongue in Super Mario World. Many people thought Mario was pointing forward and saying, "Go!" and that's why Yoshi sticks out its tongue.

But that isn't so?
Hino: Actually, we did the animation with the idea that Mario is hitting Yoshi on the head and Yoshi is sticking out its tongue in surprise.

Oh, really? (laughs)
Hino: There's even a bonk! sound. (laughs) But we thought people would feel sorry for Yoshi, so we decided to pass it off as Mario saying, "Go!" (laughs)

The animation and sound were completed. Only the official story was changed. The animation, according to Hino, depicts Mario punching Yoshi. Word. Of. God.

So I was actually interested in this and I decided to look it up myself. This the raw Japanese interview.
https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/cb34ab17-9135-11e7-8cda-063b7ac45a6d.html

This is the relevant section.

I don't know what the hell is going on with your translation. It claimed that Hino said "we began to wonder what Mario's hand was doing" as if they didn't know but then later on went to explain it as if he did? That's a contradiction. If you actually translate it it says that during the development of Mario Maker other people were questioning them on what exactly Mario was doing. And the relevant phrase I quoted above explicitly has "drew a picture", not animation. The term "" is explicitly about paintings-sketches
an means "I drew". It's singular not plural. Your site translated it wrong. After all, it's the SAME interview that all the other articles had used which actually translated it right and said picture/sketch. So yeah, sorry you're still objectively wrong.
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GiftedACIII posted...

I don't know what the hell is going on with your translation

Given that the same source omits the second part of the animation, I'd say it's a deliberate attempt to make it seem like Mario is beating his trusted companion.

Thanks for the clarification on the translation.

You guys are still talking about this shit!? You've been at this shit all goddamn day lmao
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GiftedACIII posted...

Your site translated it wrong

lol You mean Nintendo translated it wrong. Ok, keep grasping at straws.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Given that the same source omits the second part of the animation

The article I posted and the sprites I posted aren't from the same source.

You two are clearly trolling. God has spoken, the animation shows Mario punching Yoshi. We're done here.
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Yeah, it's a conspiracy. CE is working against you.

No conspiracy necessary. Just two shitposters.
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I only count one.

Skye Reynolds posted...

I only count one.

That's not a nice thing to say about me. :/ Just for that you're not getting any kloud n00dz.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

lol You mean Nintendo translated it wrong. Ok, keep grasping at straws.

It's a literal objective fact that it was translated wrong. You can plug it into a translator or ask a Japanese person yourself. Nintendo has been known to have some bad translators like the one they had during E3. But hey, as long as one source supports your narrative even while countless other ones don't you can continue to plug your ears and stay ignorant right? This is you http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/evidence-youre-wrong-comic.jpg
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Skye Reynolds posted...

I only count one.

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GiftedACIII posted...

It's a literal objective fact that it was translated wrong.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

It's a literal objective fact that it was translated wrong.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I mean, you can ask any other person who knows Japanese here whether it says "we made an animation" or "we drew a picture" like @Sayoria or @Dragonblade01 or just plug in the words into any translator yourself. I literally gave you the sentence Apparently you're not smart enough to figure out how to google translate.
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According to Google, that translates as:

Actually, I drew that picture with the setting that Mario would hit Yoshi's head, surprised and put a tongue out.

Get that cheap ass Google translate engrish out of here. I trust Nintendo to accurately translate their interview more than a web script.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

According to Google, that translates as:

Actually, I drew that picture with the setting that Mario would hit Yoshi's head, surprised and put a tongue out.

Get that cheap ass Google translate engrish out of here. I trust Nintendo to accurately translate their interview more than a web script.

lol that is so fitting of you. Plugging your ears to facts and just blindly believing and supporting the thing that conveniently fits your point even though everywhere else it was already translated accurately. Again, it's easy to see that there's no plurals in the sentence, (which the translator put in) and the word picture that was used refers to paintings and sketches, not animation. Obviously I'm more knowledgeable on this front than you.
But whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.
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GiftedACIII posted...

lol that is so fitting of you. Plugging your ears to facts and just blindly believing and supporting the thing that conveniently fits your point even though everywhere else it was already translated accurately.

Says the clown plugging his ears to Nintendo's own translation, while simultaneously covering his eyes to the obvious punching animation, all because he can't handle facts.

GiftedACIII posted...

Obviously I'm more knowledgeable on this front than you.

And Nintendo's more knowledgeable than you. You're arguing with them, not me.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

lol that is so fitting of you. Plugging your ears to facts and just blindly believing and supporting the thing that conveniently fits your point even though everywhere else it was already translated accurately.

Says the clown plugging his ears to Nintendo's own translation, while simultaneously covering his eyes to the obvious punching animation, all because he can't handle facts.

GiftedACIII posted...

Obviously I'm more knowledgeable on this front than you.

And Nintendo's more knowledgeable than you. You're arguing with them, not me.

Imagine being so ignorant and uneducated that you think a single translator or reporter can't fuck up. Like I said, you can ask any Japanese speaker and see what they say. I guess all the things Trump has said like climate change being a myth must be true because "you're going against the words of the president".
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What does Trump being wrong about climate change have to do with you being a less knowledgeable translator than paid Nintendo employees hired for their translation skills? Youre losing it, dude.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

What does Trump being wrong about climate change have to do with you being a less knowledgeable translator than paid Nintendo employees hired for their translation skills? Youre losing it, dude.

Both he and his advisers are more qualified and knowledgeable than random joes like you so I guess he must be right about climate change. It's not like hired employees can't fuck up or be unqualified right?
In the real world, the matter of fact is that whoever did the translation on that site did a poor translation (which is obvious since they contradicted themselves) and translated it wrong which you can ask any Japanese speaker. This is an objective fact, not opinion.
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GiftedACIII this is some sad shameful shit.
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KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

GiftedACIII this is some sad shameful shit.

Why are you shitposting so much here all of a sudden? Don't you have "if that's your real name"ing to do on hellhole?
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GiftedACIII posted...

Don't you have "if that's your real name"ing to do on hellhole?

I have no idea what you're talking about.
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GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

It's a literal objective fact that it was translated wrong.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I mean, you can ask any other person who knows Japanese here whether it says "we made an animation" or "we drew a picture" like @Sayoria or @Dragonblade01 or just plug in the words into any translator yourself. I literally gave you the sentence Apparently you're not smart enough to figure out how to google translate.

"Actually, we drew that image with the idea that Mario hits Yoshi on the head, and he shoots out his tongue in surprise."

I can't really read the full interview right now, so I'm not translating this with full context. I use "we" only because I assume the speaker is referring to the team, and not speaking as a single animator/designer. Likewise, though the kanji does refer to drawn pictures, that doesn't mean it can't be referring to animation, as that character can be used to talk about frames of animation. Still, it could also be referring to some piece of concept art. Again, I would need to read the full interview for context.
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Having now read the original Japanese interview, it's clear to me that the animation and sound effect were indeed made with the idea that Mario hits Yoshi on the head, causing him to stick out his tongue. However, worrying that people might think it a bit mean-spirited, they decided to go with the story that Mario was simply directing Yoshi.
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Once again TrevorBlack79 trolling by deliberately misunderstanding words like objectively or literally.
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I am practicing Japanese. I can't read kanji yet.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Both he and his advisers are more qualified and knowledgeable than random joes

But not more qualified than climatologists, who near-unanimously agree that anthropogenic climate change is a reality.

Dragonblade01 posted...

Having now read the original Japanese interview, it's clear to me that the animation and sound effect were indeed made with the idea that Mario hits Yoshi on the head, causing him to stick out his tongue. However, worrying that people might think it a bit mean-spirited, they decided to go with the story that Mario was simply directing Yoshi.

Thank you for the clarification.

TrevorBlack79 posted...

@GiftedACIII
@Skye_Reynolds

I'll accept your apologies at your earliest convenience.

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GiftedACIII posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

https://www.nintendo.com/super-nes-classic/interview-super-mario-world

Hino: During development of Super Mario Maker, we began to wonder why Mario's hand moves when Yoshi sticks out its tongue in Super Mario World. Many people thought Mario was pointing forward and saying, "Go!" and that's why Yoshi sticks out its tongue.

But that isn't so?
Hino: Actually, we did the animation with the idea that Mario is hitting Yoshi on the head and Yoshi is sticking out its tongue in surprise.

Oh, really? (laughs)
Hino: There's even a bonk! sound. (laughs) But we thought people would feel sorry for Yoshi, so we decided to pass it off as Mario saying, "Go!" (laughs)

The animation and sound were completed. Only the official story was changed. The animation, according to Hino, depicts Mario punching Yoshi. Word. Of. God.

So I was actually interested in this and I decided to look it up myself. This the raw Japanese interview.
https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/cb34ab17-9135-11e7-8cda-063b7ac45a6d.html

This is the relevant section.

I don't know what the hell is going on with your translation. It claimed that Hino said "we began to wonder what Mario's hand was doing" as if they didn't know but then later on went to explain it as if he did? That's a contradiction. If you actually translate it it says that during the development of Mario Maker other people were questioning them on what exactly Mario was doing. And the relevant phrase I quoted above explicitly has "drew a picture", not animation. The term "" is explicitly about paintings-sketches
an means "I drew". It's singular not plural. Your site translated it wrong. After all, it's the SAME interview that all the other articles had used which actually translated it right and said picture/sketch. So yeah, sorry you're still objectively wrong.

I went through the thread, and I just want to clarify a couple things mentioned here.

First, what Hino was talking about in that first answer was that the development team for Mario Maker was confused about that animation from Super Mario World. Remember, it's a very old game, so a lot of the people working on Mario Maker didn't work on it. The translation for that particular answer was a little sloppy, as it makes it sound like Hino is including himself among the people confused by the animation. In the original Japanese, he basically just says that it became a topic of discussion among the team.

Second, outside of some suffixes for pronouns and living things, there is no singular/plural distinction in the Japanese language.
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