Current Events > No topic on Ellen Degenerss sexualizing women?

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pinky, what you're saying is essentially what every person who is accused of sexual harassment says, that their actions were or seemed appropriate in context.

it's weird line of defense for this kind of thing even if it isn't necessarily wrong, because it presumes we know what everyone involved thinks or feels.

I mean, 'they're friends,' really seems like an appropriate defense to you? aren't there examples of people like Weinstein going on to date the people who have accused him of sexual harassment and rape?

I mean Ellen obviously doesn't have the clout or power of Weinstein, especially with regards to Katy Perry, so sure they aren't directly comparable, but yeah there is no way we would be talking about these kind of things in this manner if she were a man -- even if the other power dynamics were the same. imo
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Nothing wrong with what Ellen said. Katy has awesome, huge tits -- something she's never hesitated to flaunt when it's helped her before -- and acknowledging that is a non-issue.
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The Admiral posted...

Nothing wrong with what Ellen said. Katy has awesome, huge tits -- something she's never hesitated to flaunt when it's helped her before -- and acknowledging that is a non-issue.

This.

FaytlessHearts posted...

I'm not distorting anything. I'm plainly saying that if ANY male on television posted a strikingly similar photo of a female "friend" or counterpart with those words, the male would be in deep water. Regardless of if they were friends or not, or even had permission to do so. I understand the context completely, but why feel the need to post something like this for the world to see, during all these allegations? Why couldn't she send her friend a private message? Why couldn't she just leave it at a formal in person happy birthday comment?

Almost as if there's a genuine grievance women have with being degraded and treated as sex objects in society by men that society is waking up to and confronting, whereas this is not a problem women tend to have with other women, especially not from Ellen Degeneres who has been a champion of this cause for decades.

Almost as if Ellen Degeneres is a woman with breasts of her own and her making a breast joke is camaraderie between women.

Almost as if Ellen Degeneres is friends with the party in question and there is prior context and comedy bit set up where she does exactly this with Katy Perry.

Consider your statement but the man in question was Graham Norton, one of the biggest flaming homosexuals in the world. I guarantee he would get away with a breast joke.

Imagine if I had an actual example of this which never became an issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwCUB5VisU0

^A man making lots of jokes about a woman's breasts in a sexual way, which caused no controversy because the context matters. Fancy that.
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women and men are genderless knobs, anything referencing their male or female body parts is assault
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that video was made years before seth mcfarlane made a joke about Harvey Weinstein that garnered laughs but nothing else

I don't think compared 2011 to 2017 is very useful
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pinky0926 posted...

^A man making lots of jokes about a woman's breasts in a sexual way, which caused no controversy because the context matters. Fancy that.

Fucking love you, man. Holy shit.
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Ellen was also a shill for MGM by interviewing an actor who claimed to be the security guard during the Vegas shooting despite not looking like him and not being able to look at the camera and tell his bogus story that contradicts facts.
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pinky0926 posted...

Anony1125 posted...

If Katy Perry came out and said that this made her feel uncomfortable, would you consider it sexual harassment?

I'd consider it an inappropriate comment and expect Ellen to apologise, which I'm sure she would.

Okay. Just uncomfortable with Ellen being a woman adding its own context to whether this is or isn't appropriate. Seems like it should be more governed by how it's perceived by the other party. Whether Ellen has boobs or not feels to me like it shouldn't necessarily mean anything except insofar as how it makes Katy Perry interpret the comments.
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Balrog0 posted...

pinky, what you're saying is essentially what every person who is accused of sexual harassment says, that their actions were or seemed appropriate in context.

it's weird line of defense for this kind of thing even if it isn't necessarily wrong, because it presumes we know what everyone involved thinks or feels.

I mean, 'they're friends,' really seems like an appropriate defense to you? aren't there examples of people like Weinstein going on to date the people who have accused him of sexual harassment and rape?

I mean Ellen obviously doesn't have the clout or power of Weinstein, especially with regards to Katy Perry, so sure they aren't directly comparable, but yeah there is no way we would be talking about these kind of things in this manner if she were a man -- even if the other power dynamics were the same. imo

Them being friends is not the hill this conversation dies on. It just sets up a context where you can understand two people joke about something and the intent is harmless.

Take the example I gave before. If you - as a white man - had a group of black friends, and you had some kind of in-joke where you could make racist comments and they laughed it off - then fair enough. But sure, you absolutely would not be able to make those comments on a public platform. It would no longer be appropriate, the context has changed.

But if you were a black man and you made these jokes, you'd still get away with.

Are we forgetting Ellen is a woman here? Do I have to keep repeating that part, because people seem to be forgetting that she is an owner of breasts herself...
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pinky0926 posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

I'm not distorting anything. I'm plainly saying that if ANY male on television posted a strikingly similar photo of a female "friend" or counterpart with those words, the male would be in deep water. Regardless of if they were friends or not, or even had permission to do so. I understand the context completely, but why feel the need to post something like this for the world to see, during all these allegations? Why couldn't she send her friend a private message? Why couldn't she just leave it at a formal in person happy birthday comment?

Almost as if there's a genuine grievance women have with being degraded and treated as sex objects in society by men that society is waking up to and confronting, whereas this is not a problem women tend to have with other women, especially not from Ellen Degeneres who has been a champion of this cause for decades.

Almost as if Ellen Degeneres is a woman with breasts of her own and her making a breast joke is camaraderie between women.

Almost as if Ellen Degeneres is friends with the party in question and there is prior context and comedy bit set up where she does exactly this with Katy Perry.

Consider your statement but the man in question was Graham Norton, one of the biggest flaming homosexuals in the world. I guarantee he would get away with a breast joke.

Imagine if I had an actual example of this which never became an issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwCUB5VisU0

^A man making lots of jokes about a woman's breasts in a sexual way, which caused no controversy because the context matters. Fancy that.

That video is from 2011. When it wasn't such a hot button. This is 6 years later, where it is a crime to call someone the wrong gender in the state of California. The time has definitely changed..
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Anony1125 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Anony1125 posted...

If Katy Perry came out and said that this made her feel uncomfortable, would you consider it sexual harassment?

I'd consider it an inappropriate comment and expect Ellen to apologise, which I'm sure she would.

Okay. Just uncomfortable with Ellen being a woman adding its own context to whether this is or isn't appropriate. Seems like it should be more governed by how it's perceived by the other party. Whether Ellen has boobs or not feels to me like it shouldn't necessarily mean anything except insofar as how it makes Katy Perry interpret the comments.

This katy perry?



Yeah I think she's fine with it.
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pinky0926 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

pinky, what you're saying is essentially what every person who is accused of sexual harassment says, that their actions were or seemed appropriate in context.

it's weird line of defense for this kind of thing even if it isn't necessarily wrong, because it presumes we know what everyone involved thinks or feels.

I mean, 'they're friends,' really seems like an appropriate defense to you? aren't there examples of people like Weinstein going on to date the people who have accused him of sexual harassment and rape?

I mean Ellen obviously doesn't have the clout or power of Weinstein, especially with regards to Katy Perry, so sure they aren't directly comparable, but yeah there is no way we would be talking about these kind of things in this manner if she were a man -- even if the other power dynamics were the same. imo

Them being friends is not the hill this conversation dies on. It just sets up a context where you can understand two people joke about something and the intent is harmless.

Take the example I gave before. If you - as a white man - had a group of black friends, and you had some kind of in-joke where you could make racist comments and they laughed it off - then fair enough. But sure, you absolutely would not be able to make those comments on a public platform. It would no longer be appropriate, the context has changed.

But if you were a black man and you made these jokes, you'd still get away with.

Are we forgetting Ellen is a woman here? Do I have to keep repeating that part, because people seem to be forgetting that she is an owner of breasts herself...

Using your own example though. It might be OK in the private sector of your friends to use words or say things, but on a social media outlet not so much.

So why is it OK to be inappropriate for the world to see? If she wanted to joke with perry behind the scenes, whatever. Say and do what you want. She took it to the net though, the public.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

That video is from 2011. When it wasn't such a hot button. This is 6 years later, where it is a crime to call someone the wrong gender in the state of California. The time has definitely changed..

I'm just gonna say it's hard to take your point seriously in all of this when you've already stated you're not offended and you have no personal investment in this one way or another. When women complain about being sexualized it's because that's a legitimate problem that affects their day to day life. Like someone screaming "nice tits sweetheart, give us a smile" every time they leave the house. Like having to beat away men who feel entitled to their bodies. Like being called a slut for wearing a certain style of dress.

Sitting here and intellectually jerking over hypothetical scenarios that aren't genuinely a problem for you...it seems a bit dishonest for you to act outraged over any of this. I don't think you actually feel like your rights or personal agency is being infringed upon when you're told it's inappropriate to catcall a woman.
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Not outraged, I'm just going for a debate and trying to provide sight from a males perspective. Let me reiterate that I am totally for equality amongst men and women. 100%. You really don't see how this could be constrewed as a double standard though?
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FaytlessHearts posted...

Not outraged, I'm just going for a debate and trying to provide sight from a males perspective. Let me reiterate that I am totally for equality amongst men and women. 100%. You really don't see how this could be constrewed as a double standard though?

I think it would be a double standard if there wasn't all that context I mentioned that makes it obviously ok for anyone who appreciates social dynamics.

Let me put it this way. If Ellen Degeneres made a comment about someone she doesn't know, and the object of the comment wasn't someone who routinely uses her own sexuality in a provocative and comedic manner, and if the comment was more predatory than humorous, I'd think you'd have a point.

If you really want to talk about double standards, consider this horrifying exchange, when the ladies on the view brought up a story about a man's dick being cut off and everyone found it funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXCPcq_RTY

THAT is a double standard. An unfair and terrible one. A gay rights activist and comedian making a tit joke on social media to someone who makes jokes about her own tits in the first place? Not a double standard.
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But there in again...if say, Stephen colbert, took a pose like that, and made a joke like that, to a female friend...and posted it on social media...would he be held accountable, or would we brush it off as a non issue? Same exact situation, but let's put any male figure you can think of in there instead of ellen. Would you still feel the same way?
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DoctorVader posted...

Ellen is like one of the first people that came out in mainstream entertainment. She got a lifetime pass to do whatever.

Lesbian privilege.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

But there in again...if say, Stephen colbert, took a pose like that, and made a joke like that, to a female friend...and posted it on social media...would he be held accountable, or would we brush it off as a non issue? Same exact situation, but let's put any male figure you can think of in there instead of ellen. Would you still feel the same way?

The joke and the manner it was intended and the environment and etc. etc. would all be important. You're asking for blanket rules in social interactions when we both know that doesn't make sense. Like is it obviously satirical like Katy Perry is being here? Or is he just making crude references to her body? Because the intent and background of a joke is important.

You're still trying to equate what a man does with what a woman does as if both situations are entirely the same and not distinguishable in any way, when we know they're not. Women and men come from different places of power and different life experiences when it comes to sexual politics.

Consider all the examples I gave concerning how white people can't say the n word, and then consider that Louis CK - a white man - routinely incorporates the n word into his comedy routines and there's never any controversy over it. Why is that, I wonder...
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You weren't paying attention then if you didn't think there was controversy with Louis saying the n word
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myztikrice posted...

You weren't paying attention then if you didn't think there was controversy with Louis saying the n word

And he continued to do it, and incorporated it into multiple different skits, and yet society hasn't pulled him down and shamed him because for the most part people understand exactly where he's coming from.

The controversy around him saying that is no greater than any comedian doing some slightly edgy material.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

Didn't see CE freaking out about this, wanted to share. Mind you, if any man did this as blantantly as this chick, there would be a storm.

Do you not understand how power + prejudice works? Or privilege?
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Initially I thought this was just a dumb story being blown way out of proportion, but the double standard is pretty strong in this one. I'm not sure why she thought this would be a good thing to tweet for the whole world to see. If she and Katy think it's fine then maybe they ought to keep it in DMs so there's no chance for outcry from everyone else.

It doesn't bother me, but there's definitely a double standard here.
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3khc posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

Didn't see CE freaking out about this, wanted to share. Mind you, if any man did this as blantantly as this chick, there would be a storm.

Do you not understand how power + prejudice works? Or privilege?

Are you arguing Ellen doesn't have power or privilege? She doesn't seemingly have any prejudice but if a dude did it nobody would care if he wasn't prejudice, they'd just throw a fit.
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CensorErik posted...

Initially I thought this was just a dumb story being blown way out of proportion, but the double standard is pretty strong in this one. I'm not sure why she thought this would be a good thing to tweet for the whole world to see. If she and Katy think it's fine then maybe they ought to keep it in DMs so there's no chance for outcry from everyone else.

It doesn't bother me, but there's definitely a double standard here.

Thank you. This is the point I'm trying to make.

RockRapDubstep posted...

3khc posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

Didn't see CE freaking out about this, wanted to share. Mind you, if any man did this as blantantly as this chick, there would be a storm.

Do you not understand how power + prejudice works? Or privilege?

Are you arguing Ellen doesn't have power or privilege? She doesn't seemingly have any prejudice but if a dude did it nobody would care if he wasn't prejudice, they'd just throw a fit.

Also this. There would be a literal shit storm if any male did this on social media with the same exact situation.
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pinky0926 posted...

This whole thing screams of men desperate to point the finger rather than actually giving a fuck about what happened

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FaytlessHearts posted...

Also this. There would be a literal shit storm if any male did this on social media with the same exact situation.

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol
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pinky0926 posted...

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol

CE has a high concentration of people who have the same mental block. It's weird to see people constantly not get that, for example, two female friends calling each other "bitch" is not the same as a man yelling "bitch" at a woman on the street, or that a gay woman making an obvious joke about her friend's boobs is not the same as a random male colleague talking about a female colleague's chest. I'm not sure if it's a mental block or if it's experiential--like these people don't have friends and never leave their house so they don't get that rules are different when you actually know someone?
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That_Happened posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol

CE has a high concentration of people who have the same mental block. It's weird to see people constantly not get that, for example, two female friends calling each other "b****" is not the same as a man yelling "b****" at a woman on the street, or that a gay woman making an obvious joke about her friend's boobs is not the same as a random male colleague talking about a female colleague's chest. I'm not sure if it's a mental block or if it's experiential--like these people don't have friends and never leave their house so they don't get that rules are different when you actually know someone?

That's not what people are saying. People are saying that if it was the exact same situation, being a friend and clearly joking and everything, that if it was a straight man who did it instead that there'd be a shit storm over it.

You're making a weak strawman argument that people aren't trying to make. Nobody is saying it'd be the same if some random dude she didn't know did that without any context.
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RockRapDubstep posted...

That_Happened posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol

CE has a high concentration of people who have the same mental block. It's weird to see people constantly not get that, for example, two female friends calling each other "b****" is not the same as a man yelling "b****" at a woman on the street, or that a gay woman making an obvious joke about her friend's boobs is not the same as a random male colleague talking about a female colleague's chest. I'm not sure if it's a mental block or if it's experiential--like these people don't have friends and never leave their house so they don't get that rules are different when you actually know someone?

That's not what people are saying. People are saying that if it was the exact same situation, being a friend and clearly joking and everything, that if it was a straight man who did it instead that there'd be a shit storm over it.

But this has been proven wrong with the Graham Norton/Selma Hayek example, where he talked about her boobs for several minutes on his show, and they're friends.
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pinky0926 posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

Also this. There would be a literal shit storm if any male did this on social media with the same exact situation.

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol

I think the 'on social media' part is being ignored. That, to me, is why this seems bigger than it should be. TC even used your example of using the n-word in private with your black friends to show you that that part of your argument supports his claim that it's out in the open, on Twitter, for the world to see. That's totally different than sending her a text (since they're friends) or a DM if it's a private joke. Ellen tweeted it as a joke the whole world saw. It's a silly, juvenile joke, sure, but in today's climate it's definitely a double standard issue she should be more sensitive to.

Again, I don't care. I love Ellen still, but this was a bad idea in today's hyper-sensaitive, pc world.
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CensorErik posted...

pinky0926 posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

Also this. There would be a literal shit storm if any male did this on social media with the same exact situation.

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol

I think the 'on social media' part is being ignored. That, to me, is why this seems bigger than it should be. TC even used your example of using the n-word in private with your black friends to show you that that part of your argument supports his claim that it's out in the open, on Twitter, for the world to see. That's totally different than sending her a text (since they're friends) or a DM if it's a private joke. Ellen tweeted it as a joke the whole world saw. It's a silly, juvenile joke, sure, but in today's climate it's definitely a double standard issue she should be more sensitive to.

Again, I don't care. I love Ellen still, but this was a bad idea in today's hyper-sensaitive, pc world.

If you want to make the argument that maybe she shouldn't have said it that's one thing, but it's hard to take the position seriously if someone wants to know why there's no outrage over this. Especially when those people are trying really hard to create an outrage despite admitting they don't actually care about it.

The whole thing feels very disingenuous.
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Ellen parades half naked men around her show like every day. Why is this a problem?
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FaytlessHearts posted...

That video is from 2011. When it wasn't such a hot button. This is 6 years later, where it is a crime to call someone the wrong gender in the state of California. The time has definitely changed..

True, but as you can see with Trump it really doesnt matter when you say or do stuff....it can still come back to haunt you. Even if its been 10+ years since it happened.
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pinky0926 posted...

CensorErik posted...

pinky0926 posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

Also this. There would be a literal shit storm if any male did this on social media with the same exact situation.

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol

I think the 'on social media' part is being ignored. That, to me, is why this seems bigger than it should be. TC even used your example of using the n-word in private with your black friends to show you that that part of your argument supports his claim that it's out in the open, on Twitter, for the world to see. That's totally different than sending her a text (since they're friends) or a DM if it's a private joke. Ellen tweeted it as a joke the whole world saw. It's a silly, juvenile joke, sure, but in today's climate it's definitely a double standard issue she should be more sensitive to.

Again, I don't care. I love Ellen still, but this was a bad idea in today's hyper-sensaitive, pc world.

If you want to make the argument that maybe she shouldn't have said it that's one thing, but it's hard to take the position seriously if someone wants to know why there's no outrage over this. Especially when those people are trying really hard to create an outrage despite admitting they don't actually care about it.

The whole thing feels very disingenuous.

I can see that, but the question posed is still valid even if it comes from a place of insincerety. Most debates are two sides arguing things they really have no stake in, but the discussion is the entire point. I don't know TC, nor do I know his intent, but his position has a merit and is worthy of debate imo.
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Has anyone asked Katy Perry what she thinks
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pinky0926 posted...

This whole thing screams of men desperate to point the finger rather than actually giving a fuck about what happened

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eston posted...

Has anyone asked Katy Perry what she thinks

I'd be curious to see if she even addresses it. I don't see it doing her any good to react either way. She'd defend Ellen and say it's fine or just a joke and then people would say she's insensitive to victims of actual abuse. Or she'd say it was an insensitive comment made by a friend, thus throwing Ellen under the bus and getting lesbians everywhere angry at her.

I don't see a win for her addressing this silly joke unless it bothered her.
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RockRapDubstep posted...

That_Happened posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol

CE has a high concentration of people who have the same mental block. It's weird to see people constantly not get that, for example, two female friends calling each other "b****" is not the same as a man yelling "b****" at a woman on the street, or that a gay woman making an obvious joke about her friend's boobs is not the same as a random male colleague talking about a female colleague's chest. I'm not sure if it's a mental block or if it's experiential--like these people don't have friends and never leave their house so they don't get that rules are different when you actually know someone?

That's not what people are saying. People are saying that if it was the exact same situation, being a friend and clearly joking and everything, that if it was a straight man who did it instead that there'd be a shit storm over it.

You're making a weak strawman argument that people aren't trying to make. Nobody is saying it'd be the same if some random dude she didn't know did that without any context.

Thanks. I hate how these dudes keep trying to use that strawman stuff on me. I'm posing exactly what this guy just said.
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That_Happened posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

That_Happened posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol

CE has a high concentration of people who have the same mental block. It's weird to see people constantly not get that, for example, two female friends calling each other "b****" is not the same as a man yelling "b****" at a woman on the street, or that a gay woman making an obvious joke about her friend's boobs is not the same as a random male colleague talking about a female colleague's chest. I'm not sure if it's a mental block or if it's experiential--like these people don't have friends and never leave their house so they don't get that rules are different when you actually know someone?

That's not what people are saying. People are saying that if it was the exact same situation, being a friend and clearly joking and everything, that if it was a straight man who did it instead that there'd be a shit storm over it.

But this has been proven wrong with the Graham Norton/Selma Hayek example, where he talked about her boobs for several minutes on his show, and they're friends.

And again, this is 2017 not 2011. Sexual harassment has become this over the top HUGE deal recently. 6 years ago, it was not this big of a hot button issue. Your video comparision is completely different than what's trying to be discussed..
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FaytlessHearts posted...

https://pagesix.com/2017/10/26/ellen-gets-slammed-on-twitter-over-sexist-tweet-to-katy-perry/

Didn't see CE freaking out about this, wanted to share. Mind you, if any man did this as blantantly as this chick, there would be a storm.

What does CE think of this? Is it OK to sexualize and sexually harass women if you are a lesbian?

Yes. Kinda like how it is ok for black people to use the N-Word to refer to each other.
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Iodine posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

https://pagesix.com/2017/10/26/ellen-gets-slammed-on-twitter-over-sexist-tweet-to-katy-perry/

Didn't see CE freaking out about this, wanted to share. Mind you, if any man did this as blantantly as this chick, there would be a storm.

What does CE think of this? Is it OK to sexualize and sexually harass women if you are a lesbian?

Yes. Kinda like how it is ok for black people to use the N-Word to refer to each other.

This insight I can understand. I still think it's more of a private thing, but yeah.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

pinky0926 posted...

This whole thing screams of men desperate to point the finger rather than actually giving a fuck about what happened

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FaytlessHearts posted...

Iodine posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

https://pagesix.com/2017/10/26/ellen-gets-slammed-on-twitter-over-sexist-tweet-to-katy-perry/

Didn't see CE freaking out about this, wanted to share. Mind you, if any man did this as blantantly as this chick, there would be a storm.

What does CE think of this? Is it OK to sexualize and sexually harass women if you are a lesbian?

Yes. Kinda like how it is ok for black people to use the N-Word to refer to each other.

This insight I can understand. I still think it's more of a private thing, but yeah.

I mean that's basically every argument I've been throwing at you in one sentence, lol
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FaytlessHearts posted...

That_Happened posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

That_Happened posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Because the situation is not exactly the same. Why is this hard to understand, lol

CE has a high concentration of people who have the same mental block. It's weird to see people constantly not get that, for example, two female friends calling each other "b****" is not the same as a man yelling "b****" at a woman on the street, or that a gay woman making an obvious joke about her friend's boobs is not the same as a random male colleague talking about a female colleague's chest. I'm not sure if it's a mental block or if it's experiential--like these people don't have friends and never leave their house so they don't get that rules are different when you actually know someone?

That's not what people are saying. People are saying that if it was the exact same situation, being a friend and clearly joking and everything, that if it was a straight man who did it instead that there'd be a shit storm over it.

But this has been proven wrong with the Graham Norton/Selma Hayek example, where he talked about her boobs for several minutes on his show, and they're friends.

And again, this is 2017 not 2011. Sexual harassment has become this over the top HUGE deal recently

Trump said "grab em by the pussy" in 2005. So your excuse doesn't hold up. It's recorded history at this point and if it were a big deal someone would've brought it up.
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Ugh, the world is gonna be soo fuckin boring 10 years from now
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pinky0926 posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

Iodine posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

https://pagesix.com/2017/10/26/ellen-gets-slammed-on-twitter-over-sexist-tweet-to-katy-perry/

Didn't see CE freaking out about this, wanted to share. Mind you, if any man did this as blantantly as this chick, there would be a storm.

What does CE think of this? Is it OK to sexualize and sexually harass women if you are a lesbian?

Yes. Kinda like how it is ok for black people to use the N-Word to refer to each other.

This insight I can understand. I still think it's more of a private thing, but yeah.

I mean that's basically every argument I've been throwing at you in one sentence, lol

Not really though. You're trying to defend the fact that it is ok to do and say these things to your friends. I'm trying to say sure that's fine, but why feel the need to put it up for the world to see? That censorederik guy said what I've been trying to say damn near perfectly.
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This really shouldn't be an issue.
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I'll say this.

I think the fact that Ellen is a lesbian makes this as sexualizing as if a straight man had said it.

That said, I'm okay with people sexualizing other people. I don't have a problem with Ellen doing this anymore than I would some dudes making sexual remarks or jokes about women.

Now, what we do have here is the fact that women absolutely do get a pass for saying things on platforms that men so not. Whether it's this or Sharon Osbourne making a big joke and cracking up about a man being sexually mutilated by his partner. Men are held to a higher behavioural standard than women are.

I think they call that the bigotry of low expectations.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

This is clearly sexual assault as it has come to be defined. She should be held accountable.

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