Board 8 > Richard Spencer is talking at the University of Florida on Thursday

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mnkboy907
10/19/17 2:43:44 PM
#152:


SantaRPidgey posted...
FFDragon posted...
SantaRPidgey posted...
SHM never did that, he just was a character people didn't like on board 8 so the narrative was pushed on him.


he literally made a topic about it last week


ok, show me the topic where SHM admitted to infecting other people with HIV

A lot of people here seem to think people with HIV should live the rest of their lives as sexless hermits.
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foolm0r0n
10/19/17 2:44:42 PM
#153:


JetJaguar posted...
I just chalk it up to people knowing that I'm right and grasping at straws though.

It's actually because of your giant penis
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XIII_rocks
10/19/17 2:46:20 PM
#154:


He didn't deliberately and maliciously try to give people AIDS

He was HIV Positive and continued soliciting random craigslist sex I think

Which I still think is pretty bad, but it's not like he's an actual, evil monster. But there is some truth in it. He's always been kind of a thoughtless, selfish dickwipe. His stance on this topic isn't particularly surprising
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JetJaguar
10/19/17 2:46:33 PM
#155:


SantaRPidgey posted...
BTW cops, antifa, and also, the alt right aren't exclusively filled with bad people, this isn't something I should have to clarify, but it is. When I talk about any group, I'm talking about the leaders of the group that have created systemic environments for violence to happen on the bottom tier.

All violent groups are filled with naive, non-violent people who, well it's more effective to use a simpsons image:

http://i.aerispies.com/1023438.jpg


Expected

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velocycloraptor
10/19/17 2:47:39 PM
#156:


shm has always been gross regardless of whether or not he purposefully or accidentally infects people with hiv
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foolm0r0n
10/19/17 2:48:20 PM
#157:


SantaRPidgey posted...
All violent groups are filled with naive, non-violent people who, well it's more effective to use a simpsons image:

The naive ones are the violent ones. Leaders never get their hands dirty, because why would they? Richard Spencer would never drive a car into a crowd at a rally.
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JetJaguar
10/19/17 2:48:57 PM
#158:


I apologize to SHM for commenting when I wasn't fully familiar with the situation. Hopefully nobody takes that and runs with it without reading the explanation, but they will.
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XIII_rocks
10/19/17 2:49:22 PM
#159:


velocycloraptor posted...
shm has always been gross regardless of whether or not he purposefully or accidentally infects people with hiv


Though this does just about sum it up
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SantaRPidgey
10/19/17 2:57:48 PM
#160:


"SHM did this awful thing!"

no he didn't

"yeah but it doesn't matter because he's still dumb"

I know cognitive dissonance is hard to overcome but damn sometimes you guys are perfect parodies of yourself.

foolm0r0n posted...
The naive ones are the violent ones. Leaders never get their hands dirty, because why would they? Richard Spencer would never drive a car into a crowd at a rally.


Yeah, but that's kinda the point I'm trying to make. I can't lay too much blame on the people who are actively tricked into thinking they're defending themselves. It's happened to the vast majority of people in history. Instead, I lay blame on the system itself, the leaders of that system. The people who are loyal to the system are still the major problems by volume, but that's why we debate, we try to get them to see they're part of something much uglier before it goes too far.
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velocycloraptor
10/19/17 3:02:59 PM
#161:


hey i already had a post in this very topic saying shm is the worst way before anyone said the aids thing

perfectly consistent
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SantaRPidgey
10/19/17 3:05:07 PM
#162:


and because he's the worst that makes the false accusations brought against him excusable, we get it, you're part of antifa
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JetJaguar
10/19/17 3:10:21 PM
#163:


SantaRPidgey posted...
and because he's the worst that makes the false accusations brought against him excusable, we get it, you're part of antifa


Oh god whoever is posting is on ignore but did somebody actually grow the balls to admit that they do this?
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velocycloraptor
10/19/17 3:12:48 PM
#164:


idk what you are talking about santa

i didn't bring up accusations or excuse (or at all mention) timjab or whoever brought them up
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trdl23
10/19/17 3:20:39 PM
#165:


JetJaguar posted...
SantaRPidgey posted...
and because he's the worst that makes the false accusations brought against him excusable, we get it, you're part of antifa


Oh god whoever is posting is on ignore but did somebody actually grow the balls to admit that they do this?

No, but Santa wanted them to, so he pretended they admitted it.
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CaptainOfCrush
10/19/17 3:28:48 PM
#166:


I remember those rumors being spread about SHM here. From what I understand, he is a gay man who is HIV-positive. I hope I'm not overstepping here if I ask him whether he's ever felt comfortable enough to mention his sexuality to others who would attend a Richard Spencer rally.
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SantaRPidgey
10/19/17 3:34:21 PM
#167:


velocycloraptor posted...
i didn't bring up accusations or excuse (or at all mention) timjab or whoever brought them up


no but you were complicit in him being falsely attacked
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velocycloraptor
10/19/17 3:34:42 PM
#168:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
I remember those rumors being spread about SHM here. From what I understand, he is a gay man who is HIV-positive. I hope I'm not overstepping here if I ask him whether he's ever felt comfortable enough to mention his sexuality to others who would attend a Richard Spencer rally.


i heard rumors that shm already considered this scenario and said he would love to get beaten up by nazis because they might get infected with hiv through his bloodied up body
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OliviaTremor
10/19/17 3:35:07 PM
#169:


I am anti-facism. I think facism is bad.
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velocycloraptor
10/19/17 3:38:56 PM
#170:


SantaRPidgey posted...
velocycloraptor posted...
i didn't bring up accusations or excuse (or at all mention) timjab or whoever brought them up


no but you were complicit in him being falsely attacked


?? sorry i made timjab, who has me ignored, attack someone somehow
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Kenri
10/19/17 4:12:58 PM
#171:


XIII_rocks posted...
He didn't deliberately and maliciously try to give people AIDS

He was HIV Positive and continued soliciting random craigslist sex I think

Which I still think is pretty bad, but it's not like he's an actual, evil monster. But there is some truth in it. He's always been kind of a thoughtless, selfish dickwipe. His stance on this topic isn't particularly surprising

This is my memory of it too. It's not like everyone just decided "hey fuck shm let's use a horrible gay stereotype to smear him" out of nowhere.
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trdl23
10/19/17 4:13:10 PM
#172:


SantaRPidgey posted...
velocycloraptor posted...
i didn't bring up accusations or excuse (or at all mention) timjab or whoever brought them up


no but you were complicit in him being falsely attacked

The pivot!
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MoogleKupo141
10/19/17 4:18:47 PM
#173:


yeah, and I think (maybe. This isn't an accusation, unless I'm right then it is?) he wasn't telling the Craigslist people that he had HIV, which is why people got mad at him. It was never about intentionally spreading it, but more like malicious indifference.

or I'm totally making that up and the Craigslist people knew what they were getting into
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OliviaTremor
10/19/17 4:22:30 PM
#174:


JetJaguar posted...
OliviaTremor posted...
Santa there is literally nothing you can do to convince these guys that Nazis aren't the good guys. They've seen the videos of the violence in Europe, I've shown them the evidence that there was a holocaust planned and enacted after the pro-Hitler victory part. They've seen Dylan Roof killing a bunch of people in the name of the Nazi ideology.

You can't do anything to get through to them on this, it's a lost cause. They, much like Nazis, think we're already fighting World War 3.


This post shows a complete and fundamental misunderstanding of the topic at hand. Nobody is defending Nazis and white supremacists. People universally agree that they sucks. People, however, do defend Antifa, including many in this topic. Because people are stupid.


Yeah, the message was a bit too dumb. Is anyone defending Antifa though? It seems like the whole thing is 'not as bad as Nazis but still bad'. Granted I could have missed something in this shitstorm of a topic. And for the record, my post about being anti-facism was tongue in cheek regarding the name of the group, 'Antifa'. I think a lot of us don't like facism as a political ideology and openly condemn Antifa. They aren't the same.

Anyway, my mine takeaway from this topic is what the fuck is wrong with shm.
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foolm0r0n
10/19/17 4:23:44 PM
#175:


SantaRPidgey posted...
but that's why we debate, we try to get them to see they're part of something much uglier before it goes too far.

How does debate do that?
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GuessMyUserName
10/19/17 4:24:30 PM
#176:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
yeah, and I think (maybe. This isn't an accusation, unless I'm right then it is?) he wasn't telling the Craigslist people that he had HIV, which is why people got mad at him. It was never about intentionally spreading it, but more like malicious indifference.

or I'm totally making that up and the Craigslist people knew what they were getting into

From how I remember it, not informing was the whole point of the uproar.
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foolm0r0n
10/19/17 4:25:32 PM
#177:


I don't know enough about antifa: is this a "condemn Malcolm X but support MLK" type of situation?
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Suprak the Stud
10/19/17 4:28:14 PM
#178:


SantaRPidgey posted...
velocycloraptor posted...
i didn't bring up accusations or excuse (or at all mention) timjab or whoever brought them up


no but you were complicit in him being falsely attacked


"cyclo did this awful thing!"

no he didn't

"yeah but it doesn't matter because he's still dumb"

I know cognitive dissonance is hard to overcome but damn sometimes you are a perfect parody of yourself.

and because he's the worst that makes the false accusations brought against him excusable, we get it, you're part of antifa
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StealThisSheen
10/19/17 7:45:11 PM
#179:


I specifically remember SHM having a topic about hitting some guy up on craigs list for sex and "pondering" if he should tell him, and then said something to the effect of he doesn't usually tell them until they actually meet up since they're less likely to leave then

Like, whether he was joking or not, he definitely said things to invite the accusations
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Jakyl25
10/19/17 9:06:06 PM
#180:


JetJaguar posted...
Also, if you seriously think that there isn't hundreds of times as many politicians who are sympathetic to Antifa compared to Nazis, that might be the most ridiculous posted in this topic yet.


If you just change "Nazis" to "white supremacists," there are absolutely more people in politics sympathetic to those ideals
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JetJaguar
10/19/17 9:09:04 PM
#181:


Jakyl25 posted...
JetJaguar posted...
Also, if you seriously think that there isn't hundreds of times as many politicians who are sympathetic to Antifa compared to Nazis, that might be the most ridiculous posted in this topic yet.


If you just change "Nazis" to "white supremacists," there are absolutely more people in politics sympathetic to those ideals


Literally not a chance, not even close
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Jakyl25
10/19/17 9:15:01 PM
#182:


All the people fighting for Confederate statues, a Congressman talking about how only white culture has contributed to history, the President saying there are "fine people" at a white supremacist rally, an Attorney General with past ties to defending the KKK

Just some examples of open, unabashed sympathy to white supremacy.
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Jakyl25
10/19/17 9:22:30 PM
#183:


And I don't want to make this just a GOP thing. There are plenty of Dems who think lesser of minorities too. They are just generally more quiet about it so as not to lose the black vote.

Hillary Clinton comes immediately to mind. And even she has had some open betrayals of her true feelings
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JetJaguar
10/19/17 9:27:16 PM
#184:


Confederate statues are a part of history and not a symbol of white supremacy, no matter how many ignorant people claim they are.

Your other examples amount to three people, a few of which are tenuous. Calling Donald Trump a white supremacist is a quick way to lose credibility. As for the AG, assholes or not, the KKK has a right to legal counsel. Child rapists and murderers get lawyers and any reasonable person can seperate their morality from their civic duty.

Antifa, on the other hand, is based almost entirely on the incorrect assertion that Donald Trump is a fascist. So if you are anti-Trump you are pro-Antifa's interests, even if you do not agree with their methods. I doubt you would find many Democrats who are pro-Trump, and you'll find plenty of anti-Trump politicians on the other side of the aisle as well.

Unless you want to argue that basically the entire Republican party and a decent portion of Democrats are white supremacists or sympathizers (I'm sure we can find plenty of idiots on this board to argue the former) then it's not even close. A few loud idiots (and others lumped in with them through outright slander) does not make a difference.
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JetJaguar
10/19/17 9:29:22 PM
#185:


Jakyl25 posted...
And I don't want to make this just a GOP thing. There are plenty of Dems who think lesser of minorities too. They are just generally more quiet about it so as not to lose the black vote.

Hillary Clinton comes immediately to mind. And even she has had some open betrayals of her true feelings


Well at least you admit that. I'm not black, but if I was I would be way more offended by the Democrats' condescending racism.

A Republican will tell you to get a job. A Democrat will tell you you're too stupid to have a job, so here's whitey to save the day.
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greengravy294
10/19/17 9:31:22 PM
#186:


tim are you gonna run the royal rumble numbers game this year?
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JetJaguar
10/19/17 9:32:31 PM
#187:


greengravy294 posted...
tim are you gonna run the royal rumble numbers game this year?


LOL. Sure.

Does WWE 2K18 work as a prize or is it shit?
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LapisLazuli
10/19/17 9:33:29 PM
#188:


JetJaguar posted...
Confederate statues are a part of history and not a symbol of white supremacy, no matter how many ignorant people claim they are.


Over 75% of Confederate statues were built during the turn of the century and during the civil rights movement as passive aggressive anti-black sentiments.
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velocycloraptor
10/19/17 9:34:06 PM
#189:


Confederate statues are a part of history and not a symbol of white supremacy, no matter how many ignorant people claim they are.


this is nonsense

history is in books, museums. you are never told to go check out statues when studying history.

a statue is art meant to commemorate or celebrate something. a statue teaches you nothing about history besides "this man looked like this"

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Inviso
10/19/17 9:36:24 PM
#190:


LapisLazuli posted...
JetJaguar posted...
Confederate statues are a part of history and not a symbol of white supremacy, no matter how many ignorant people claim they are.


Over 75% of Confederate statues were built during the turn of the century and during the civil rights movement as passive aggressive anti-black sentiments.


Yeah. Most of the statues were erected in the early 1900s, just as the South was finally starting to shake off the stink of the Reconstruction Era, followed by another wave of statues during the Civil Rights Era. So please, pray tell, what history are statues honoring defeated traitors celebrating, exactly?
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Jakyl25
10/19/17 9:37:21 PM
#191:


JetJaguar posted...
Confederate statues are a part of history and not a symbol of white supremacy, no matter how many ignorant people claim they are.


No, they are not part of history. The Confederacy is a part of history. Statues honoring men who fought for the right to enslave black people are not.
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Not_an_Owl
10/19/17 9:37:31 PM
#192:


JetJaguar posted...
Confederate statues are a part of history and not a symbol of white supremacy, no matter how many ignorant people claim they are.

Literally celebrating treasonous assholes who would rather betray their country than stop enslaving black people and working them to death.
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LapisLazuli
10/19/17 9:37:53 PM
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greengravy294
10/19/17 9:39:56 PM
#194:


JetJaguar posted...
greengravy294 posted...
tim are you gonna run the royal rumble numbers game this year?


LOL. Sure.

Does WWE 2K18 work as a prize or is it shit?

I mean it's a buggy mess but that's nothing new. It's as good as you're gonna get any yearly sports game tbqh. I know plenty of people that love the game but they're the crowd that buys the yearly rereleases. I just love the contest, it makes the RR even more fun. No prizes really necessary...but mostly because I always lose anyway ;)

anyway as a mostly non partisan aside (aka i dont get involved in politix) dude shm definitely posted a topic about spreading hiv. whether or not hes trolling is a different story but yeah.
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Jakyl25
10/19/17 9:41:10 PM
#195:


JetJaguar posted...
Antifa, on the other hand, is based almost entirely on the incorrect assertion that Donald Trump is a fascist


He's an attempted fascist. Our system is tenuously holding him back.

All Presidents have had fascist tendencies, but Trump's are pretty extreme
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Kenri
10/19/17 9:43:13 PM
#196:


JetJaguar posted...
Unless you want to argue that basically the entire Republican party and a decent portion of Democrats are white supremacists or sympathizers (I'm sure we can find plenty of idiots on this board to argue the former) then it's not even close.

I think you're underestimating the numbers in both parties but yeah.
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TheRock1525
10/19/17 9:43:23 PM
#197:


greengravy294 posted...
It's as good as you're gonna get any yearly sports game tbqh.


Bullshit, NBA 2K is always good gameplay-wise.
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GuessMyUserName
10/19/17 9:45:12 PM
#198:


do you guys build statues to all your enemies over there
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JetJaguar
10/19/17 9:45:53 PM
#199:


Jakyl25 posted...
JetJaguar posted...
Confederate statues are a part of history and not a symbol of white supremacy, no matter how many ignorant people claim they are.


No, they are not part of history. The Confederacy is a part of history. Statues honoring men who fought for the right to enslave black people are not.


And that is an incredibly shallow and ignorant view of the Civil War. Ignoring the multitude of other motivations, how many Confederate soldiers do you think owned slaves or cared if anybody owned them? Many of them were just defending their home and have just as much right to be memorialized as Union men. You're not magically more likely to be racist because you happen to live below an imaginary border.
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greengravy294
10/19/17 9:47:40 PM
#200:


TheRock1525 posted...
greengravy294 posted...
It's as good as you're gonna get any yearly sports game tbqh.


Bullshit, NBA 2K is always good gameplay-wise.

i admit to never actually playing NBA 2K

sorry
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JetJaguar
10/19/17 9:49:07 PM
#201:


And no, I'm not going to list the other motivations for the Civil War. That was the job of your 6th grade History teacher. Either she failed you or you didn't pay attention. I ain't got time for that.
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