Poll of the Day > How could a person be athiest?

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How could they not know that it's real? I'm serious....how do they not realize that? I know plenty of otherwise smart people, who think that Jesus never walked on water and wasn't seen by mankind. How are they so easily tricked?
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Because they're on to Yaldabaoth.
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Some people can't believe in anything bigger than themselves while others demand to see proof and aren't convinced by what they're shown. Others have faith but lose it after some horrific incident. Then you have at least a few guys who do everything to talk themselves out of believing in higher powers to justify doing awful things. And yes, I'm aware that you were doing a bit with this topic to mock that troll's topic.
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They just haven't been enlightened to the fact that they are Buddhist.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

How could they not know that it's real? I'm serious....how do they not realize that? I know plenty of otherwise smart people, who think that Jesus never walked on water and wasn't seen by mankind. How are they so easily tricked?

0/10. Made it too obvious.
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Because I don't have any reason to believe that a supernatural entity governing my life exists, nor do I have a reason to care if it does or not.
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actually most atheists I know, will admit they believe jesus was a man who walked the earth, just him being "the son of god" and all his other "magical" feats where BS

I believe something had to create this universe, I just highly doubt humans have ever or will ever truly know what that is.
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Here's an easy one:

Do you believe in Zeus and Thor and Ra? No to even one of those... congrats, you're an atheist.
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Lokarin posted...

Here's an easy one:

Do you believe in Zeus and Thor and Ra? No to even one of those... congrats, you're an atheist.

Atheism doesn't mean not believing in some gods, it means not believing in any. More importantly, given that I'm frequently on PotD, it's not so much atheism as it is naytheism.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NayTheist
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mooreandrew58 posted...

I believe something had to create this universe, I just highly doubt humans have ever or will ever truly know what that is.

This is not a new argument, or anything, but... then who created them? If God can simply be born from the eternal void of nothingness, when why can't the universe? Why would God create men in it's image and think of Earth as the center of the universe, when he has an entire universe full of variable life to mess with?

Even if I'm wrong, and there is some deity around, which I cannot safely prove nor disprove (though I am confident that there is no reliable proof in the hands of any man, lest we'd all have the same religion), I'm certain that not a single religious text still existing is even remotely accurate about the actions or opinions of that deity, which has complete and total access and control over the entire Universe without reservation.

A god that created this universe would be so totally and utterly foreign and alien that no human could comprehend it. That, or God is merely a man at a god-computer, playing a video game about universe creation with all the same compassion as a man playing The Sims.
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Shaded_Phoenix posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I believe something had to create this universe, I just highly doubt humans have ever or will ever truly know what that is.

This is not a new argument, or anything, but... then who created them? If God can simply be born from the eternal void of nothingness, when why can't the universe? Why would God create men in it's image and think of Earth as the center of the universe, when he has an entire universe full of variable life to mess with?

Even if I'm wrong, and there is some deity around, which I cannot safely prove nor disprove (though I am confident that there is no reliable proof in the hands of any man, lest we'd all have the same religion), I'm certain that not a single religious text still existing is even remotely accurate about the actions or opinions of that deity, which has complete and total access and control over the entire Universe without reservation.

A god that created this universe would be so totally and utterly foreign and alien that no human could comprehend it. That, or God is merely a man at a god-computer, playing a video game about universe creation with all the same compassion as a man playing The Sims.

yeah part of why I think the way I do. as said something had to create all this, even if accidentally. but at the same time we will never comprehend it because there is no wrapping ones head around the concept of something magically appearing out of no where too include a god. logically speaking there has to be a beginning, but also logically speaking something had to create that beginning and those two concepts sorta clash with one another.

which is why i'll remain agnostic. I got better things to do with my life then try to figure something out I will never be able to.
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Shaded_Phoenix posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I believe something had to create this universe, I just highly doubt humans have ever or will ever truly know what that is.

This is not a new argument, or anything, but... then who created them? If God can simply be born from the eternal void of nothingness, when why can't the universe? Why would God create men in it's image and think of Earth as the center of the universe, when he has an entire universe full of variable life to mess with?

Even if I'm wrong, and there is some deity around, which I cannot safely prove nor disprove (though I am confident that there is no reliable proof in the hands of any man, lest we'd all have the same religion), I'm certain that not a single religious text still existing is even remotely accurate about the actions or opinions of that deity, which has complete and total access and control over the entire Universe without reservation.

A god that created this universe would be so totally and utterly foreign and alien that no human could comprehend it. That, or God is merely a man at a god-computer, playing a video game about universe creation with all the same compassion as a man playing The Sims.

The problem with that argument is that God being born out of nothing is a magical argument well-suited for religion. The universe being born out of nothing is a magical argument that doesn't work for science or anything else.

And the origins of the cosmos are still a problematic area for science which, under the current theory, is essentially that nothing exploded and become something. In fact, it's sometimes humorously referenced as, "Allow us one miracle and we can explain the rest!"

More importantly, if you're talking about the Christian mythos, God wasn't "born out of the void," he was stated as having always existed. So your criticism of that particular religion is based on an ignorance of the canon.
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Zeus posted...

Shaded_Phoenix posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I believe something had to create this universe, I just highly doubt humans have ever or will ever truly know what that is.

This is not a new argument, or anything, but... then who created them? If God can simply be born from the eternal void of nothingness, when why can't the universe? Why would God create men in it's image and think of Earth as the center of the universe, when he has an entire universe full of variable life to mess with?

Even if I'm wrong, and there is some deity around, which I cannot safely prove nor disprove (though I am confident that there is no reliable proof in the hands of any man, lest we'd all have the same religion), I'm certain that not a single religious text still existing is even remotely accurate about the actions or opinions of that deity, which has complete and total access and control over the entire Universe without reservation.

A god that created this universe would be so totally and utterly foreign and alien that no human could comprehend it. That, or God is merely a man at a god-computer, playing a video game about universe creation with all the same compassion as a man playing The Sims.

The problem with that argument is that God being born out of nothing is a magical argument well-suited for religion. The universe being born out of nothing is a magical argument that doesn't work for science or anything else.

And the origins of the cosmos are still a problematic area for science which, under the current theory, is essentially that nothing exploded and become something. In fact, it's sometimes humorously referenced as, "Allow us one miracle and we can explain the rest!"

More importantly, if you're talking about the Christian mythos, God wasn't "born out of the void," he was stated as having always existed. So your criticism of that particular religion is based on an ignorance of the canon.

I know about that with Christianity, but I can't logically wrap my head around the concept of there not being a beginning and something always having existed. I mean if I die and Christianity turns out to be true, and I get to speak to god, i'm going to have to ask him what his earliest memory is.
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The weak like Zeus, need a belief in a 5th dimensional guiding hand, keeping us from the game over screen like a nanny, ok?

If "God" gives free will, he wouldn't place safety nets everywhere, precluding a sentient sweet potato got ahold of a nuclear arsenal, ok?
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ClarkDuke posted...

The weak like Zeus, need a belief in a 5th dimensional guiding hand, keeping us from the game over screen like a nanny, ok?

If "God" gives free will, he wouldn't place safety nets everywhere, precluding a sentient sweet potato got ahold of a nuclear arsenal, ok?

trump while being a loose canon I have to admit, I doubt will ever actually nuke anyone. and people worry way too much about that, its not like he actually has the button to do it, he just issues the command and those he commands can willfully go against his orders. happened to Russia, guy was ordered to fire a nuke during the cuban missle crisis and he refused to do it.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

I know about that with Christianity, but I can't logically wrap my head around the concept of there not being a beginning and something always having existed. I mean if I die and Christianity turns out to be true, and I get to speak to god, i'm going to have to ask him what his earliest memory is.

You're still trying to think about the GOD with the mindset of a HUMAN. In the Christian canon, he's not merely human (people were merely made "in his image.").

So, there is no real "memory" with him in the canon. With omniscience he sees it all, at once (what has taken place, and what hasn't yet taken place). Time itself is irrelevant to him, since a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like a day (see 2 Peter 3:8 for reference). Simply put, he CREATED "time" as we know it, and he's not bound by it.

The biggest problem with people's understanding of the Christian God is that they don't think of him as a God. Rather they think of him as just another Man who happens to have a whole lotta power. You're going to run into some serious issues with that mindset.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

The weak like Zeus, need a belief in a 5th dimensional guiding hand, keeping us from the game over screen like a nanny, ok?

If "God" gives free will, he wouldn't place safety nets everywhere, precluding a sentient sweet potato got ahold of a nuclear arsenal, ok?

trump while being a loose canon I have to admit, I doubt will ever actually nuke anyone. and people worry way too much about that, its not like he actually has the button to do it, he just issues the command and those he commands can willfully go against his orders. happened to Russia, guy was ordered to fire a nuke during the cuban missle crisis and he refused to do it.

The Russian at the switch wasn't a narcissist, ok?
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ClarkDuke posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

The weak like Zeus, need a belief in a 5th dimensional guiding hand, keeping us from the game over screen like a nanny, ok?

If "God" gives free will, he wouldn't place safety nets everywhere, precluding a sentient sweet potato got ahold of a nuclear arsenal, ok?

trump while being a loose canon I have to admit, I doubt will ever actually nuke anyone. and people worry way too much about that, its not like he actually has the button to do it, he just issues the command and those he commands can willfully go against his orders. happened to Russia, guy was ordered to fire a nuke during the cuban missle crisis and he refused to do it.

The Russian at the switch wasn't a narcissist, ok?

and trumps not at the switch here. hes just the one who issues the order. and i'm willing to bet any half sane person would refuse a order from even our president unless we where being fired at ourselves.
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I have a bridge I'd like to sell you, ok?
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Hundreds of religions claims to hold some divine truth while claiming others as false. At most only one religion can be true.

I wager anyone who follows only one religion is closer to being an atheist than being a theist. Followers may reject every religion except one, but the difference between a devoted follower and an atheist is one religion.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Zeus posted...

Shaded_Phoenix posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I believe something had to create this universe, I just highly doubt humans have ever or will ever truly know what that is.

This is not a new argument, or anything, but... then who created them? If God can simply be born from the eternal void of nothingness, when why can't the universe? Why would God create men in it's image and think of Earth as the center of the universe, when he has an entire universe full of variable life to mess with?

Even if I'm wrong, and there is some deity around, which I cannot safely prove nor disprove (though I am confident that there is no reliable proof in the hands of any man, lest we'd all have the same religion), I'm certain that not a single religious text still existing is even remotely accurate about the actions or opinions of that deity, which has complete and total access and control over the entire Universe without reservation.

A god that created this universe would be so totally and utterly foreign and alien that no human could comprehend it. That, or God is merely a man at a god-computer, playing a video game about universe creation with all the same compassion as a man playing The Sims.

The problem with that argument is that God being born out of nothing is a magical argument well-suited for religion. The universe being born out of nothing is a magical argument that doesn't work for science or anything else.

And the origins of the cosmos are still a problematic area for science which, under the current theory, is essentially that nothing exploded and become something. In fact, it's sometimes humorously referenced as, "Allow us one miracle and we can explain the rest!"

More importantly, if you're talking about the Christian mythos, God wasn't "born out of the void," he was stated as having always existed. So your criticism of that particular religion is based on an ignorance of the canon.

I know about that with Christianity, but I can't logically wrap my head around the concept of there not being a beginning and something always having existed. I mean if I die and Christianity turns out to be true, and I get to speak to god, i'm going to have to ask him what his earliest memory is.

Supposedly the Christian God predates the ideas of time, existence, nothingness, and everything else. As such, God didn't come from the nothingness or void, the nothingness came from God. It's different from most other mythos where the gods were born of the primordial chaos.

Rather than being created, it was just something that existed. Which is a neat concept on some levels.

mooreandrew58 posted...

ClarkDuke posted...


trump while being a loose canon I have to admit, I doubt will ever actually nuke anyone. and people worry way too much about that, its not like he actually has the button to do it, he just issues the command and those he commands can willfully go against his orders. happened to Russia, guy was ordered to fire a nuke during the cuban missle crisis and he refused to do it.

Given that Clark is a troll alt which does little else other than harass me (Helly claims it's Ziggi, which explains why he's doubled down on it now that Kana is gone), I'm not sure why you'd engage him.
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joemodda posted...

Hundreds of religions claims to hold some divine truth while claiming others as false. At most only one religion can be true.

I wager anyone who follows only one religion is closer to being an atheist than being a theist. Followers may reject every religion except one, but the difference between a devoted follower and an atheist is one religion.

Unless there are multiple gods telling people different things or one god telling multiple people different things. Or everything is imperfect retellings of stories or ancestral memories, etc. Interestingly enough, mythologies from cultures which never met each other often have striking parallels in their myths.
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Zeus posted...

Given that Clark is a troll alt which does little else other than harass me (Helly claims it's Ziggi, which explains why he's doubled down on it now that Kana is gone), I'm not sure why you'd engage him.

I generally speak my mind at least once, if i'm really bored i'll go back and forth, but noticed I haven't replied back to him yet. but thats mostly because I try to avoid political arguments as no body ever wins in those people are too dead set in their thought process 99% of the time
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